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Discharge Form for Lauro Chavez Suggests Manipulation

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Submitted by dz on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 2:37am.


Earlier this evening we posted the latest news regarding Lauro Chavez being fired. In that thread a link was posted to a forum which was arguing that parts of the document had been manipulated. Seeing as how I have been using photoshop for over 10 years I decided to look into what they had found, and even found a few odd things myself.

In posting this I am in no way trying to make any statement other than that the PDF of this discharge form has several signs of apparent manipulation. In the image linked to above I tried to show 3 clear examples where the PDF shows signs of manipulation. After looking at the PDF at full detail for a few hours tonight in photoshop I found numerous examples where characters were apparently duplicated and positioned to create new data or perhaps change existing data. The image linked to above is purely meant to illustrate where a few of the issues are, you should analyze the original PDF at maximum zoom to clearly see the things which are pointed out. This may seem like speculation to those not so familiar with image manipulation, but there are numerous places where manipulation appears to be readily obvious. I was very hesitant to even post this for fear that I might somehow be wrong, but after looking at it as closely as I did I feel there are definitely issues with this document that need to be pointed out and clarified.

I in no way want to get involved with any speculation as to if/how/why the form was manipulated, or who manipulated it, etc. I would simply encourage others who are familiar enough with photoshop and image manipulation to check out the original PDF and what is illustrated in the image download above. I will leave any further speculation and tracking down of further answers (like an original paper copy) to those who might better be able to do such. I would highly encourage others to allow this story to fully develop before casting any solid judgements. Please feel free to contact me directly if need be regarding details on my analysis.

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DZ

Would love to here from you on the blog I just posted...Am I crazy, or are you with me??

Submitted by TakeAction on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 2:39am.
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Did you see that the

Did you see that the "Official" listed at the bottom of the .pdf is named "Richard Little". This is a joke, "Little Dick" has been a lame joke since elementary school. Come on.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 3:48am.
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Once you scan an image there

Once you scan an image there will be distortion of the pixels, especially if the paper bears any creases or minor imperfections.

It's possible that the issuing office used different
fonts, as data was entered onto the form at different
times, possibly on different computers.

As for Richard Little, it's a school-boy joke, like Malena Stool, Mike Hunt etc. But should this
coincidence lead to dismissal of the document as a fraud - NO.

Submitted by Mark Bingham (not verified) on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 5:46am.
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Hey, look Mom, its Mark

Hey, look Mom, its Mark Bingham!!!

I was wondering this too.  Could this have been a pre-printed form that they rolled through a typewriter and filled in?  That might explain the anomolies.

However, if the alterations took place on the PDF itself, then it would be a blatant forgery.

Submitted by Somebigguy on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 8:43am.
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Could this be a pre-printed form rolled through a typewriter?

Somebigguy,

If it is a pre-printed form that they rolled through a typewriter and filled in, then the original paper would already very likely show small differences in appearance of same characters. These differences are likely to stay the same or increase in their pixelwise representations after scanning, and not diminish!

So no, that would not explain the anomalies. And least it would explain the pixel-per-pixel identity of the "4WKS" strings. On the contrary, if that pre-printed form was rolled through a typewriter and filled in, it would be even more suspicious being a forgery that occurred after the scanning, especially a scanning with lots of scew.

Submitted by Seeker (not verified) on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 4:19pm.
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its not the distortion of

its not the distortion of the pixels, its the duplication of the distortion/noise of the pixels.

the 'WKS' part is the most obvious in that it even includes the background hash marks from the shaded section from which it was copied..

Submitted by dz on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 8:46am.
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Alex says he faxed it to him

Alex says he faxed it to him within 5 minutes of asking for it. That would suggest he probably didn't manipulate it.

Submitted by Ben (not verified) on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 1:40pm.
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Not if this is an op, if

Not if this is an op, if it's a ruse then they'd have that already. I still don't know what to make of this, it's like was this paper meant to have been recognised as fake on purpose, but not by us who they considered saps? And so it's like the whole AWOL Bush/Dan Rather/Rove style scam? Regardless, and I don't care what Alex Jones wants to run with, there is something strange about this.

Submitted by Dem Bruce Lee Styles on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 3:20pm.
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No, it only means that he had already created it

It is obviously fake. It is obvious he faked it. His story has not passed the smell test from the beginning.

Submitted by Augie (not verified) on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 6:21pm.
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Re: Possible Proof of Richard Litle

http://tinyurl.com/eujxg

Submitted by Casey Lee Cobb (not verified) on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 12:14pm.
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dz - three comments

dz - three comments

1) the final pdf presented on AJ site was created by ghostprint.

2) the final pdf presented has been edited by painting over the SS# before final output.

3) Adobe Acrobat Professional 7.0 (only version I have) WILL substitute glyphs to match previous identified glyphs during the manual OCR process, pixel for pixel.

 

That being said, the "1" does look suspicious not because of the pixel per pixel match of the 4WKS and 14WKS but the "1" does not fit between the space between the "/" and "4" in 14WKS.

 

 

Submitted by imgstacke on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 6:07am.
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any thoughts on BCS's

any thoughts on BCS's comments below?

I used pdftohtml to extract the embedded image from the PDF, which produced a 2550x3300 8-bit grayscale jpeg. Note that there is NO text in this PDF; it is merely a wrapper for an embedded image. There is no OCR and re-embedding of symbols going on here.

i definately want others to double check what i posted.

Submitted by dz on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 8:40am.
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Yes I read BCS's post and it

Yes I read BCS's post and it is true, the version of the PDF does not have the additional TEXT embedded in this incarnation of the document. This document has been edited from the scan in two ways that are indisputable, the "1" in 14WKS and the SS# that has been airbrushed over. The document was then output again as a PDF via "GPL Ghostscript 8.15".

In the metadata :: IPTC Status :: Title = "LChavez_214.jpg"

The pixel repetition can be explained by the manual OCR process of Acrobat Pro (and I suspect other apps that perform the same task), but the "1" blocking out the forward slash and the 4 is proof of editing.

Submitted by imgstacke on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 8:57am.
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take a look at the 'WKS'

take a look at the 'WKS' part.. i think this one is the strongest example because the letters actually include the dot pattern shading from the blocks from which they were copied..

Submitted by dz on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 8:59am.
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I believe the entire block

I believe the entire block (14. Military Education) was patched together. 

The typeface is monospaced and yet the kerning (space between individual characters) is not consistent in that block, nor is the top of the characters aligned from word to word.

The character height of the "2" after 4WKS is too small, etc...  

But nonetheless the "1" in 14WKS is indisputable and cannot be explained away as OCR processing.

Submitted by imgstacke on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 9:10am.
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thanks for throwing in your

thanks for throwing in your two cents, i dont want to get hung by others for pointing this stuff out, but it just stuck out like a sore thumb, and the counter-movement was already jumping all over it.

Submitted by dz on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 9:14am.
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no problem...  Just took

no problem...

 Just took another look at the document in photoshop.  After correcting the alignment (rules set to align the outer lines of the document) and then setting horizontal rules on the lines of text, block 14 is has issues.

Great eyes btw...

Submitted by imgstacke on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 9:38am.
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a very sloppy fake

a very sloppy fake job...this has hoax written all over it

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 8:02am.
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Submitted by TakeAction on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 2:44am.
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Thanks

Good work, I appreciate it.

Submitted by Kevin Fenton on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 3:02am.
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forget it

Yes, clearly there have been some alterations.
Chavez may have good intentions (or may not), but his whole story doesn't quite ring true, as many previous posters have pointed out. He doesn't offer anything new of substance. Probably not worth spending a lot of time on him, in my opinion, although I am curious as to wtf he's trying to accomplish.

Submitted by Brad Johnson on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 3:03am.
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oh well......

This site has discouraged 99% of witnesses/insiders from ever coming forward. It certaintly didnt go well for Chavez, it wont for them either.

Nobody would ever believe them anyway (not even the 911 truth community), and they would be the subject of ridicule from both sides ( 911 truth, and skeptics), in addition to losing their job, and livelyhood....

...dont expect anymore "whistle blowers". There isnt an outlet for them to come forward about what they've witnessed.

Submitted by Anonymous3 (not verified) on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 3:35am.
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Well, they should at least

Well, they should at least try not to fake their credentials first.

Submitted by dreadwolf (not verified) on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 3:37am.
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that's misguided. Nobody on

that's misguided. Nobody on here doubts people whose testimony rings true. This guys did not ring true, and it didn't stand the slightest sniff test. Do you see anyone doubting guys like willie Rodriguez? No. He's just telling us what he witnessed, and we believe the guy because there are a whole bunch of really good reason to and few reasons not to believe him. You don't just accept everything anyone says. Do you know how often I would have gotten laid if women did that?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 3:42am.
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"This guys did not ring

"This guys did not ring true, and it didn't stand the slightest sniff test."

I havent seen anything that proves him a fake. Most of the questions just nit pick at the smallest details about things he has said, that are unrelated to the actual claim he makes.

"Do you see anyone doubting guys like willie Rodriguez? No."

Willie Rodriguez didnt really witness anything, other than hearing explosions. But for the people who witness more clearly incriminating things (like witnessing confirmation of a standown order), its "too good to be true", and therefore will not be believed...

Dont ask, or hope for anymore people to come forward....you'll just pick them apart.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 4:00am.
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people who actually DO have

people who actually DO have info won't be afraid of a little nick picking from bloggers....come on....they'll be afraid of a hit order most likely.

Submitted by ofo76 (not verified) on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 7:01am.
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Haven't seen anything? Are you kidding?

> I havent seen anything that proves him a fake

Have you bothered to seriously address any of the issues that people have brought up? Or have you willingly blinded yourself because he's telling you what you want to hear?

Submitted by StanDeSD (not verified) on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 11:24am.
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i personally emailed Chavez

i personally emailed Chavez yesterday to appologize for the overly critical comments that had been posted regarding his story. in no way shape or form do i want to criticize anyone coming forward, and i did my best to use neutral language in my post here.

i stand by my work, and i think once others look at it they will too. how this all plays into Chavez's credibility, etc. is not something I want to affect, but allowing an obvious forgery to pass will do nothing but come back to bite us in the ass - see: dan rather.

Submitted by dz on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 8:29am.
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Why apologize to him at all?

> i personally emailed Chavez yesterday to appologize for the overly critical comments that had been posted regarding his story

Why should YOU be apologizing to HIM? HE should be apologzing to YOU for making SUCKERS out of the people on this blog.

This guy's story has more holes in it than a piece of swiss cheese used for target practice. People on this site need to stop believing every piece of crap floated by any attention-getting loser who claims to be a "combat vet", just because it feeds into your own conspiratorialist world view.

Get a clue - you are all being used. :O(

Submitted by Stan DeSD (not verified) on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 11:16am.
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discharge form for chavez

Just want to know the truth
Greetings Anonymous3;
Congradulations for seeing the truth of the damage done to LC by the muckraking "Bullie- Bloggers" through the many negative misinformed threads.Truly you are correct that this could cause the chaos of our planet future to continue. Throughout history "whistle Blowers" have been at the forefront in dismantaling facist movements and big business gone bad. These are the true patriots our world needs. Again, truly you are correct when you state what has happened to LC could prevent future witnesses/insiders from ever coming forward.We cannot let that happen.We need them.They are our future.It can happpen...ENRON ?...911truth is the good fight and someday history will prevail.There was no LONE GUNMAN,there was no 911terrorist attack on the WTC. And the agencies that are monitoring our keystrokes must of had ,and still are, having a field-day watching bloggers beat the crap out of each other with inuendo and false accusations. For example LC was told he was lying about his Top Secret/GAMMA clearance in one of the "Bullie "threads and that that type of clearance did'nt even exist. This flamers' source....an Army buddy he knew. So I did a little reasearch to see if this was true. I Googled in -top secret/gamma-and there it was right on top...top secret/gamma , just like LC said. I then sent this info to the Bullie crowd and got not one comment back....because it was the truth and they got so busted in their ignorance they went under the rocks they came from , only to rear their little sneaky heads to harp on LC's military form and chew on that for a awile...I'm sure you've seen the pixel thread. On a good note Alex Jones has stepped in on LC's behalf and Alex is very picky about who he takes under his wing and has powerful resources on his team and I am confident he will resolve this issue. Unfotunately the damage is done to LC,losing his job , harrasing phone calls etc. I hope all those bullies are satisfied and sence their distruction from the inside of our quest for the truth.
Truth9112u

Submitted by Truth9112u on Sat, 09/30/2006 - 12:27am.