off topic but does alex jones know about the chavez document manipulation that is clearly seen and was widely discussed on this site last night....how could promote the guy today with these looming questions regarding the document?

alex is...like yea knaow...being...like yea knaow.. a jerk about... like yea knaow... this chavezombi guy... like yea knaow?

alex is being a dick about this because it's a slow news day and he didn't have another guest. He did this with that bozo who was in that clip about torture where they found out it was fake later. He vets nothing and doesn't care if it ends up making truthers look stupid. I like alex, but, like howard stern always admits, he's gotta fill three hours a day

This is an excellent 8 minute animation of the WTC skeletal system and reaction to the plane crashes is breaking news. At 6:50 into the video the explosion sequence begins and then finishes at 7:07, in that 17 seconds lapse of time you'll see video evidence of the explosives taking down the still partially standing inner core of the tower.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ11i6fi7KQ&eurl=

This is on topic. The video I posted is clear and unarguable, and fully responsive to the discussion surrounding a demolition expert's opinion. This video moves the topic beyond opinion and shows the facts. Watch it and see for yourself. Very soon after the collapse of the North Tower, in the middle of a giant cloud of pulverized concrete, the silhouette of the North Tower’s core is visible - and standing. The core is badly damaged yet it still partially stands nearly fifty stories tall. That is until a short series of detonations finally manages to take down the core. Can anyone tell me why this is not definitive proof of demolition?

The video is an excellent 8 minute animation of the WTC skeletal system and its reaction to the plane crashes. At 6:50 into the video, the core explosion sequence begins and then finishes at 7:07. In that 17 seconds lapse of time you'll see video evidence of the explosives taking down the still partially standing inner core of the North tower.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ11i6fi7KQ&eurl=

to the canadian below...off topic or not, i'll discuss anything i please...i'm tired of seeing fascists tell me what to say and what not to say....i don't want that here too.

Even though the "fascists" tell you not to? It's just courtesy, dude -- thread hijacking is not polite.

bite me

I save biting for people who respect their fellow posters.

We are here to discuss Jowenko, not Chavez

This is an interesting video, which I think amounts dis-info. Here
is why:

On the one hand our expert, Jowenko, admits that the WTC7 collapse was
definitely Controlled Demolition. Fact is, to anyone its obvious so
how could he not say so, he would discredit his profession. When
asked if they might have been able to rig the building with explosives
in the seven hours after the WTC1 + WTC2 fell, he actually gives it
serious consideration, but when told about the fires in WTC7 he says
he can't explain it.

In another part of the video, when discussing the collapse of WTC1 +
WTC2 he rules out the use of explosives, chiefly arguing that it would
take a year to rig these buildings.

Wait ... Compared to WTC1 + WTC2, WTC7 is little less than a quarter
of their size (47 floors vs. 220, roughly the same floor area). So ,
logically, if rigging WTC1 + WTC2 would take a year, than rigging WTC7
would take at 2-3 months. Why on earth did Jowenko even begin to
consider the 7 hour setup feasible????

Later in the video we get three students giving their confirmation in
a second opinion, but they give no facts, just nod their heads and
say, oh yes, WTC1 + WTC2 had no explosives and the collapse theory
is feasible ...

I find MIT Enginerr Jeff King's analysis much more factful and logical:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248&q=jeff+king

You can draw your own conclusions.

It's not disinfo, people are entitled to an opinion you know. The Dutch demo expert Danny Jowenko, and the students, like many many people including myself and nuff others now in the truth movement ALSO believed that the Towers were felled as officially described. It's called a mass brainwashing. Jowenko and the Students have an obvious naïve and honest bias, it's not their fault that things haven’t clicked with them yet. This bias was show up best in Jowenko who stated that the official explanation for the collapse of the towers was probably correct. But then was exposed to building 7 without knowing what building it was and stated the obvious about it being demoed. Although the interviewer did say, "this is WTC7" when he introduced it to Jowenko, Jowenko didn’t quite know this was on 9/11. I can guarantee that if the interviewer had been any more explicit then Jowenko's bias would have kicked in and it would have taken him much longer to have stated that WTC7 was demoed etc. I can also guarantee that he is probably now questioning and reassessing his analysis of the Towers after seeing building 7's collapse. LOL, no way is this disinfo!

If anyone's disinfo it’s Mr "no planes/tv fakery hit the WTC" Jeff King!

Who on God's earth would call Jeff King a no-planer?!? The man is an
MIT Engineer, for crying out loud - a person who deals in facts not
fantasy. Watch the video I gave a link to: HE STICKS TO FACTS: NEVER
SAYING THAT PLANES DID NOT HIT WTC1 + WTC2.

I find your claim outlandish, flimsy. You have not addressed my
argument, you are just trying to character assinate Jeff King on false
pretenses. Further to that, you want us to believe that this Jowenko is
acting on first impressions. But the HUGE flaw in his logic I've pointed
out indicates clearly that he is following a script.

Could it be that you are another dis-info, 'paid forum writer',
pretending to be a truther?

Disinfo people are co-conspirators in the Crime of the
Century, accesory to the murder, execution style, of 3000 people on
September 11, 2001.

And they are getting paid to pump out these lies. What unspeakable
evil is this?

before you go jumping all over someone else you should look into it..

as i understand it Jeff King goes by Plague Puppy, and was interviewed on Tarpley's radio station to discuss the no-plane theory.

if someone has an audio link please post it.

Glad to see that you are pulling out your heavy guns.

Now we see how you are further trying to character assainate Jeff
King: Some bogus and obviously faked interviews with Tarpley under
some assumed name. And you post this here as 'hard evidence' and
further try to claim that you are truth seekers.

Its amusing to watch the disinfo trail - you just have to push a
little to see it for what its worth. You can just see these spin
doctors in their backrooms making strategies on how to keep the truth
from coming out.

Wouldn't it be easier to just kill anyone who speaks out?

dood.

first off take a deep breath.

second off, you can find out that Plague Puppy is the name that Jeff King uses on the internet pretty darned easy, just go to his website:
http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/Confronting%20the%20Evidence/inde...

third, you can find the interview on rbnlive.com under the archive for tarpley's radio show

fourth, dont attack the messenger, especially calling me disinfo, just cause you dont like that Jeff King might advocate a certain position doens't make it my fault.

jeezus.

since i'm afriad you might just continue to attack without looking, here is the information for you, read it, and chill out.

http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/Confronting%20the%20Evidence/inde...
PlaguePuppy is the nom-de-net of Jeff King, a 60ish former electrical engineer - graduated from MIT, class of '74 with a combined Biology-EE major, worked for about eight years in electronics and electro-mechanical engineering. At the moment, and for about the past 25 years, I have been working as a family physician, doing office-based primary care in rural central California.

The name PlaguePuppy, for those who may be curious, derives from several sources: an awful pop-science fiction novel called The Plague Dogs that I admit to having barely skimmed, an extremely good book called Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban that features the Bernt Arse dog pack as a major character, and an old beach towel of mine with the cartoon characters the Pound Puppies on it.

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Tarpley06.html
click this link for the archive, look under 'March 2006' to find the direct download. this is the archive for Webster Tarpley's weekly radio show.

sorry if you think others are out to attack you, but you are the one attacking now, and im trying to help you out.

"Canadian Truth ..." your being paranoid. And second you don't even know Jeff King's website is called "plaguepuppy", yet you dickride the man? You don't know enough about him clearly, he is down for Nico's disinfo, and that makes him more then anybody else here that you've attacked, more likely and "agent". That or he's just an honest retard for believing “no planes hit the Towers”.

Dear Reader:

If you've read the thread this far, your probably thinking, well,
what's up with this Jeff King? Or maybe you're asking the same
question about Mr. Jowenko.

If you have not heard Jeff King speak, please watch the video before
you go further. It is very factual and clear headed. This man is NOT
a nut-case, and he presents a very convincing argument. Here is the
link again:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248&q=jeff+king

Now as to these fellows who are attacking Jeff King, consider this:
there is no doubt that the Bush 'Administration' is investing millions
if not billions on the cover up of the truth of 911. So its not hard
to believe they would work hard to create any evidence they needed to
character assassinate someone they see as a threat. They have already
forced BYU to suspend Prof. Steve Jones.

Remember that, to date, the mainstream media has done next to zero
to dig into the truth of 911. What kind of money and power does
it take to control all the major media?

Marketing companies regularly pay people to do nothing but post on
forums and blogs on the net to further their cause and discredit the
competition. This is becoming a major part of their PR campaign.

In the case of 911 truth, they would also seek to 'divide and
conquer'. Create whatever divisions they can, pitting one sub group
against another. (eg. LIHOP vs. MIHOP)

I used to be a LIHOP ([they] let it happen on purpose), now I am a
MIHOP ([they] made it happen on purpose). The reason for that was
that I finally saw (after 5 years thanks to major media cover-up) the
obvious controlled demolition of WTC7.

Now, if they CD'd WTC7, as they clearly did, why not also WTC1 + WTC2?

The fact is, the more I have dug into this, the more I have found that
the evidence that they CD'd all three is overwhelming.

But don't listen to me, check out Jeff King's presentation and here are
some more links documentaries/presentations that have left me with zero
doubt that they indeed did CD all three of these buildings:

911 Mysteries (a very 'plain speaking' look at the 'collapse' theory):
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=911+Mys...

Collection of lectures from Steve Jones PhD on the use of Thermate at WTC
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=steve+jones

Animation showing in detail the strength of the construction of WTC1 &
WTC2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ11i6fi7KQ&eurl=

Collection of videos of WTC7 falling: text book Controlled Demolition
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=wtc7

Actually I do think that planes hit the Twin Towers, though probably not the specified passenger liners. There is some funny business that makes me think that they were specially rigged in some way, but I have never questioned that some kind of real, physical planes hit the buildings.

The Tarpley interview is here: http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/index.htm#ti

The confusion about my being a "no planer" comes from the first part of the show which is an interview with Nico Haupt. Nico is something of an odd character, and was going on about some kind of nanotechnology being the key to 9-11(influenced by Karl Schwarz I believe). It made no sense to me, and my part of the interview dealt only with controlled demolition. Nico was very disruptive at the 9/11/04 NYC conference, and many consider him a disinfo agent.

Thanks for clearing that up. 

After the slandering and name calling is deleted, you all make good points. Instead of attacking, can't we just inquire? Help eachother to make some sense of all this and in so doing, move a little closer to the truth? Look at all the topics and comments, so many! 9/11 truth has come a long way in a short time. Most of us joined in 2006. That is such an important stat. Lets pull together people, we all make mistakes. This doesn't make us infiltrators or sabateures. And for the one liner name callers, don't give them the benefit of a reply...PLEASE.

Mike Casner
runcaz@yahoo.com
WKNH.org
Cheshire County911truth

You need to get a f*cking clue "Canadian Truth ...", Jeff King chimed in with Nico "the most industrious spreader of disinfo on the internet" Haupt about "TV Fakery" and "no planes at the wtc". I remember this painful interview well because it was not long after the whole Charlie Sheen thing, and Webster Tarpley had been on CNN, what a way to destroy your credibility after having national exposure! Webster Tarpley is way to naive despite his intellect. Diverse research is welcome by all means, but "disinfo" is not research, it's "disinfo" period. And I still don't understand why Tarpley doesn’t get this;

Sat., March 25, 2006: Playlists: M3U | RAM (Individual MP3s:
Guest: Nico Haupt Guest: Dr. Jeff King a.k.a. Plaguepuppy

Hr1
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Tarpley/0603/20060325_Sat_Tarpley1.mp3

Hr2
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Tarpley/0603/20060325_Sat_Tarpley2.mp3

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Tarpley06.html

alright guys, kiss and make up.

i personally had no idea that Jeff King supported such things either until about 2 months ago. although i never did listen to it, but i will now.

thanks dbls for the links.

This is a total misrepresentation: I did not "chime in" with Nico about no planes. I had the misfortune of following him on Tarpley's show, and had no control over that. He ran over into the second hour, and Tarpley tried to segue by asking me some questions while still talking to Haupt.

I said nothing to endorse his ideas, which in any case were so confusing that I don't even know what he was claiming. If there is other disinfo out there linking me to this, please let me know so I can go to the source. What exactly did you see 2 months ago?

Jeff,

Please forgive me if I misrepresented your opinion, I only listened to the interview today, and it was other users who had suggested your support on the issue which I did not follow up on as I mentioned in my comment.

If I do see anything which suggests something other than your opinion stated here I will be sure to contact you immediately.

Please feel free to contact me.

Why I'm I listening to this shit again lol. "We went to war over cartoons" that just makes want to vomit, YOU WENT OT WAR OVER PEOPLES DEATHS ASSHOLE! F*cking disinfo assclowns, I can't stand these retards! And is it just me, or do all "no-planers" sound like such hardcore geeks lol?

I'm with you, man. Thanks for speaking up.

Jowenko is a CD expert. Jeff King is not an MIT engineer, but a physician who has taken classes in engineering at MIT and who has absolutely no expertise in demolition or structural engineering.

Further Jowenko said that a demolition of WTC 1 and 2 would take a year to set up because of it would be unconventional top down demolition. The conventional demolition of WTC 7, according to Jowenko, could be accomplished much more quickly.

Jeff King's credentials a very solid. He states them at the start of
the video I posted - watch it. (Eight years study of physics at MIT,
I believe, and engineering experience to boot - considerably more indepth
than just 'taking a few classes').

His thesis in the video is the overwhelming evidence of massive
explosions occuring during the 'collapse' of WTC1 + WTC2. He is more
qualified than Jowenko in this regard becuase of his extensize
knowledge of physics and his engineering experience.

Fact is people, the concept of a gravity collapse of WTC1 + WTC2 as a
result of plane-impact/fire is so ludicrous that it can be ruled out
just on first principles, and I would be glad to take on in a debate
anyone who thinks that is possible.

When you stated ...
"Further Jowenko said that a demolition of WTC 1 and 2 would take a year to set up because of it would be unconventional top down demolition. The conventional demolition of WTC 7, according to Jowenko, could be accomplished much more quickly."

... are you trying to suggest that CD of a building of any size only
requires a couple of charges? No, they put charges all over the
place - and it takes weeks and weeks of preparation. Ridiculous
for Jowenko to even consider that it could be done in 7 hours.

You are confusing what he said when he stated that it would be physically possible for a team of 30-40 individuals to enter a building and plant explosives in 7 hours. Trust me, Canadian Truth, Danny Jowenko does NOT think that the entire operation could have been achieved in less than 7 hours.