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Lauro Chavez Clarifies Points For His Critics
Lauro Chavez Clarifies Points For His Critics - prisonplanet.com
S spoke to me early today and asked if I could lay to rest some false claims being made against me. He asked if I bullet-ize them, if you’d post them on your site – under my article I presume. I’m not sure, but just contact him if you have any questions. Thanks a lot Kevin, and tell Alex that it was a pleasure to be on his show again. Let me know if I can be of any further help.
..
My letter was in no way intended to be my “Whistle blowing” statement.
- First let me start with telling everyone, that this letter, was a rant to the chief editor of the Cincinnati Post, Mr. Robert White. I sent it to him, after reading an article posted there called “1 in 3 believes in 911 conspiracy”. To which they proceed to debunk us good American people who know for a fact something about 911 does not add up. Mr. White never responded to my email. Again, it was a rant that included both fact from my time in the Army, facts I have learned from my extensive research on this topic, and my opinions. I’ve been asked to sign an affidavit, and I will, once I review it with my attorney.
..
How did I know Cheney was in charge of NORAD, prior to it becoming public?
- Easy, in the Army and whole of the DoD there is a thing called chain of command. Every solider is supposed to be aware of who his superiors are. When Cheney was announced to be taking over NORAD, the CoC was updated and passed out to all of us. This, I’m sure, was prior to the public release of this information. There were many military friends of mine, at the time, that questioned this action.
Please take the time to review this latest article regarding Lauro "LJ" Chavez and his statements on his experiences surrounding 9/11. Check out the link above for the full article. There will definitely be more on this subject in the coming days, including a sworn statement on his first hand experiences.
Thanks Little Pipe for the submission!
how can you say that having
how can you say that having a sergeant on active duty the morning of 9/11 stating that there was a definite stand down order is a bad thing?
i mean seriously, i've seen the legal affidavid that was written up for him to sign, and having a signed statement by a sergeant stating that there was a stated stand down order on the morning of 9/11 would be friggin huge.
to make a counter point, what good can it do to suggest that we don't want people like this guy to come forward? that should be exactly what we want.
OK, you're right, that's a
OK, you're right, that's a good direction, and positive too. You get a signed noterized affidavit that he knew of a norad stand down and pursue it legally from there. I would have preferred to hear about it after he had gone through the legal motions before doing the radio circiut.
A 'Concern Troll', as they
A 'Concern Troll', as they call them over at KOS...
thank you james for being a true truther....
Now that Mr. Chavez has answered some softball questions put forward by his conspiracy theorist friends, how about he answer some real questions:
1. Why does his DD-214 list no foreign service, despite his claim to an 8 month tour in Afghanistan?
2. Why does his DD-214 omit many ribbons that he should have automatically (not merit based requiring his commander to submit them) based on his service, including 1 NDSM, an NCO Professional Development ribbon, the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal and a NATO medal?
3. Why does his DD-214 list a 14 week Special Forces Q course, despite the fact that the course is considerably longer, and makes no mention of SFAS or Airborne training, both prerequisites, and does not list a Special Forces MOS?
4. Why, even though he claims expertise with explosives does he claim that thermite, an incendiary, is an explosive and a component of C-4?
5. Why does he suggest that Afghan soldiers could not have flown the hijacked planes, despite the fact that nobody has ever claimed they did?
6. Why does he claim to have spoken with a "good buddy" Lieutenent General, who was a former commander of the Army Corp of Engineers at CENTCOM in 2001, when the only 3 star assigned to CENTCOM at that time was Lieutenent General Michael P. DeLong, a Marine?
6. Why does he claim he flew in an uparmored C5 into Kabul on September 25th (or September 26th his story changes) 2001, when Kabul was securely in Taliban hands until it was liberated by the Northern Alliance on November 13th, 2001?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1114/p1s1-wosc.html
7. Why does he claim to have pulled "roving guard" on an oil pipeline in 2001-2002, despite the fact that this pipeline is still in the planning stages 5 years later?
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2006/2006-04-17-05.asp
8. Why does he repeatedly claim that he received a Chapter 13 separation discharge to enter school, when a Chapter 13 is a discharge for "unsatisfactory performance"?
http://www.usapa.army.mil/pdffiles/r635_200.pdf
9. What type of shoulder fired weapon causes could cause the type of damage seen at the Pentagon, as he mentioned in a radio interview this morning?
10. Why does he repeatedly claim that Dick Cheney was appointed head of NORAD in 2001, when the commander of NORAD at that time was actually Air Force General Ralph Eberhart?
Answer those questions, and I will start to take you seriously.
Is Anyone Going to Address the Questions Raised Above?
Thanks anonymous, your questions are excellent.
If these questions are not addressed by media spokepeople such as Alex Jones, then we can only conclude that this is indeed a disinformation exercise.
I notice there are no replies yet...
His paperwork is as phony as a 3 dollar bill
Why do people who call themselves "truth" seekers latch on to any liar and fraud who comes along without looking into their credentials?
The paperwork this guy provided, and which was accepted without question by tinhatters, is obviously fraudulent.
(No wonder he ran away when challenged)
Chavez
Please read this thread for interesting insights into this 'Chavez' business:
http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=6238...
Sounds legit to me. Not
Sounds legit to me. Not sure why everyone is so anxious to label him disinfo.
Let the vetting process
Let the vetting process continue...but hey, haven't we been waiting for years for someone on the inside to start talking?
This story's got legs.
yes, but why is it news?
yes, but why is it news? He's telling us what we already know and has no way to prove what he's seen. It has no purpose. It's wasted energy. Good, the guy was there, and there is no helpful record of this, so he should start a website and distribute 911 truth materials or something instead of acting like he left the army with some evidence that would help to prove that 911 was an inside job. He blows the lid off nothing. He tips the lid no more than it's already tipped. I'm glad he's gotten attention though, that probably made him feel special.
Then Why An Affadavit?
What he witnessed in Command Central could tip everything, especially if others that were there begin to talk and collaborate with him.
One thing I learned from his "ranting" was that the training exercises being "Top Secret" was considered an abnormality. Just another anomoly to many other oddiities of 9/11. I like the way he described the conversation he had with another insider, pondering on what were the chances that the real thing could be happening at the same time as the exercises.
I mean, they knew....they must of known right away.
So why has it taken so damn long for these guys to begin speaking out? You would think that with every soldier being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, these guys have to wonder how they contribute to it by keeping their mouths shut in fear of personal reprisal.
Aside from Chavez, who is speaking out? We need 100 Chavez's to speak out, and for all their stories to corroborate.
It's news because
It's news because it's person who is on the inside of the system validating the true story. We on the outside can speculate until we're blue in the face, but that won't bring anybody to justice. This testimony however, like Mineta's, helps build the case. It makes it easier for others to talk. That's what it will take to nail these perpetraitors, people on the inside speaking up.
Say what you will about Chavez...
he's a persistent little cuss! Looks like he's in this for the long haul.
If the guy turns out to be a fake, I will personally challenge him to a duel at sunrise. In the meantime, I suggest we find some positive ways of shining light on this story, however it turns out.
Nobody can say we are gullible... not with the ton of criticism and second guessing Chavez has received thus far. If he is a fake, let US be the ones to expose him (not them). In that way, we gain publicity and maintain credibility at the same time.
Sun Tzu says, in "The Art of War": "When near, appear far. When strong, appear weak". We are very close to blowing this thing wide open! The tipping point is within reach! We are so close I can almost taste it!!! Let's stay strong and take control of the end game. Chavez is a hell of a trump card right now! I say let's play the damn thing!
Trump Card...
Looks like another bridge player in the 911/truth movement.
Well said.
Well said.
Those persons unwilling to
Those persons unwilling to believe that "a small group of citizens can changes the world" probably do not understand Quantum mechanics.
And anyone who still believes anything the bush administration says is a fool.
Everyone with brains knows 911 was an inside job.
We need to move past all that.
Everyone, who actually gets it should say to themself's:
"what do I do now?"
He has to name names. Or
He has to name names. Or one of his colleagues has to confirm his story. I believe he is telling the truth, but without naming names the story won't go anywhere.
"? Comrades, vate shalle vee do about dis-informacion?..."
Hola, Officer Chavez;
Welcome to the wild-n-wolly world of skepticism! Here's to the experts who sign on as 'anoying.' Let me first give thanks to the mere fact that our country was once 'spiritually armored' by the serious 'moral capital' of our Armed Forces, who were consistently able to produce a guiding light for others around the globe.
Been there. (It's true!)
BUT Today, I wouldn't trust our Representatives to look after my neighbor's dog. I sure hear loud and clear that you are saying the chain-o-command looks rather fishy under the current ruse. I've talked to Nila, (pronounced Nee-la,?) and I've talked to Droctor Deagle too. Both will attest that it's pretty unusual to hear from someone like me, who can tell them which floor, nevermind the actual room where the JCS meet in private when things get to red-0-alert.
Don't you suppose they were passing out Premium Havana cigars at the dam-breaking of Katrina too?
{I seem to be getting a tele-patholical image of Cheney giving BoyBush a back-rub as he stoked a proverbial fatty, snickering, as everybody jouously sipped Champagine, and looked at the cool monitor screens around the room, ahh, but I transgress.}
...Otherwise, that stupid War-facility was nothing much to write home about, as I'm sure you understand. One thing's for sure, Meister 'Anoyn.' You don't enlist into the Service as a lifer, earn bars, and suddenly start whimpering like a run-away schoolgirl. So, herein I poise, (if little else,) that every real 'patriot' in this room better first --Salute this Officer!-- for his courage, before you challenge his intentions, because chances are he is Much higher in rank than either me, or you!
Furthermore, our Comrade's real friends at the DoD Do know exactly what this means that THEY will ultimately have to do...
So, rather than merely 'rack-em-all-up' down the lenght of Pennsylvania Avenue, and whack their heads off, I have a novel (3rd World) Solution to everyone's problems. {I'm sure BoyGeorgie would appreciate this plan too!}
Why not take Congress, the unelected Whitehouse Staff, and the JCS's on a little Tour of Duty? Yeah! Why can't we load them all S.O.B's into a WWII sea-plane, and teach them the art of parachuting right into the middle of a freshly evacuated Baghdad? It would make great TV ratings, and be awfully fun for the kids too!
TS- obviously in some whacky kinda-'Tex-Mex' mood... :)
Chain of Command Discrepancy
Generally, I rely on Paul Thompson's Complete 9/11 Timeline to be the gold standard for our online research. The facts there are not hearsay, not opinion and not single-sourced (with rare exceptions).
What we have is a conflict over fact between what "Lauro Chavez" claims and what the Complete 9/11 Timeline reports about the chain-of-command for NORAD responses.
Here's what is available on the Thompson website:
http://tinyurl.com/cvrs5
(COPY)
June 1, 2001: New Policy: Only Defense Secretary May Approve Fighter Jet Launch
According to the New York Observer and government documents, the procedure for dealing with hijackings within the United States changes on this date. It requires that, with the exception of “immediate responses,” requests for military assistance must be forwarded to the defense secretary (Donald Rumsfeld) for approval. Rumsfeld later claims that protection against a domestic terrorist attack is not his responsibility; it is instead “a law-enforcement issue.” [New York Observer, 6/17/2004; Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, 7/31/1997 pdf file; US Department of Defense, 6/1/2001 pdf file]
Entity Tags: Donald Rumsfeld
(END COPY)
I believe that the burden of proof lies on "Lauro Chavez" and any of his defenders to prove why publicly available information on the chain-of-command on NORAD hijacking responses ends with the Office of Vice President and not with the Office of the Secretary of Defense. So far, all that Mr. Chavez has provided is merely hearsay, uncorroborated by other verifiable and authoritative sources.
I think is very important to not let 9/11 Blogger get tarred-and-feathered in the same way that the anti-war movement did with the fraudulent video by purported Special Ops soldier "Jesse Macbeth" in May, 2006, or in the same fashion that Jason Leopold and Truthout.org got competely sandbagged by some Bush Administration insiders who did much damage to Truthout's reputation when that website breathlessly announced a hot scoop on the arrest of Karl Rove which subsequently was proven utterly incorrect. "Gotcha, lefties!" is what Karl was snickering that week.
Remember two things about government psyops and their agents.
1) "Governments lie." I.F. Stone
2) "Fool me once..... won't get fooled again." G.W. Bush
LJ Chavez....
Please do all you can to substantiate this claim.
call the guy and just ask him
[removed phone number] straighty Mr Chavez voice mail
[dz: we've been asked not to publicly post this phone number, please keep this information at least somewhat private]
praise him
i think we should all call him and THANK HIM for joining the movement, just gives more credence to our side
Chain of Command?
This is not a comment about Lauro Chavez ... but I'm wondering how long people are going to look right past what seems to me to be a very basic and obvious fact: the Vice President has no Constitutionally-determined role in the chain of command. And I don't believe that it was the intent of the Framers or the American people that the Commander-in-Chief delegate his authority. It's simply confusing, for openers, and it's unconstitutional (so what else is new lately?). And, in this case, it's beyond that.
You guys know that Lauro
You guys know that Lauro Chavez is the cousin of
Venezuela' stalinist dirtbag dictator Hugo Chavez,
don't you?
oh, okay, and not only that, but
..his uncle, Caesar Chavez, champion of migrant farm workers, got naming rights to Dodger Stadium, which is why it's often called Chavez Ravine.
As Bill Cosby would say....Right!!
offensive and untrue
Chavez was democratically elected. He is not a dictator. He is hero to the poor. His appeal to the poor masses, revolutionary in these days, lead to overwhelming victory in democratic elections. You are confused. I'd recommend that you watch 'The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.'
Are they really cousins?
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
"stalinist dirtbag dictator
"stalinist dirtbag dictator ". gee Anonymous, watch CNN and Fox much?











He's full of it
It does nothing to help the movement, and could hurt it. What good can this guy do?