Another careerist "anti-establishment" "journalist" who knows that questioning 9/11 is career suicide.

Great job cornering him in the fallacy of his own logic. In this case, it's not important to "win" an argument as it is to lay out his framework of our detractors, which is built on sand and to which he will adhere till his last breadth. It's all crumbling around him and kudos to you for making that transparent. He knows the gig is up, which is why he (and others) refuse to take on legitimate grievances, seriously.

Hang in there. Victory is immanent.

A common public perspective was stated by Matt Taibbi which should highlight the importance of the peer-reviewed papers, nano-composite explosive material / forensic evidence, Kevin Ryan's published connections, the huge scenario revolving around Building 7, etc.

Matt Taibbi: "Tell you what — you come up with one piece of real evidence that the US had something to do with planning 9/11, and I’ll consider it."

"But if you’re going to conflate holes in the official story with evidence of US involvement, that tells me you’re not an intellectually serious person, and I’ll pass. Of course we’ve been lied to about 9/11. Governments lie about everything. But that’s a long way from complicity in the attacks."

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From personally talking to public on the street, this is a very common perspective: The public knows that governments lie.
Example: Take "aspartame" and Donald Rumsfeld's role in getting it to market. (Tidbit: Donald Rumsfeld had originally been slated to be the Vice Presidential candidate when Ronald Reagan was getting ready to run.) Aspartame, it's toxic effects and the blatant political-corporate corruption have been well exposed. I mean...really...the corruption has been wild...the FDA even raided a warehouse in our North Texas area and burned cookbooks on Stevia during the 90's. Aspartame is still on the market (and makes a great ant killer).

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The case of nano-composite explosives remains unchallenged in the scientific community.

How did military-grade, high-tech nano-composite explosives get into the World Trade Centers?
...to me, this is hands-down evidence which answers Matt's "...you come up with one piece of real evidence that the US had something to do with planning 9/11..."

The opinion below is simply the view I arrived at after years of research, and it in no way should be characterized as typical of or central to the 9-11 truth movement. Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth movement is about having a formal investigation into 9-11, period. But those of us who've studied the matter, cannot help having formed our own perspectives on the matter. And I see the 9-11 media cover-up is in many ways as more indicative of a vast conspiracy than the official 9-11 story. As Nixon said, it's not the crime that gets you, but the cover-up. So, do not let my views below be construed as views derived from looking into 9-11 truth; rather, the views expressed were derived from looking into the cover-up. And, as the “evidence” to back up this view would easily fill a volume, sized comparably to any 9-11 truth work of David Ray Griffin, the following is only an overview:

It should be obvious to anyone who has studied 9-11 in depth, that Taibbi and other “real” journalists KNOW the government was deeply involved in 9-11, and THAT is why they have refused to even glance in the right direction, much less investigate any of the hundreds of illuminating aspects of 9-11. But why would Taibbi and so many other excellent, progressive journalists go out of their way to impede the efforts of the 9-11 truth community. The answer seems obvious to me: they WANT TO prevent the public from learning the truth about 9-11. Again, why? As best as I can theorize, from the facts and relationships I have uncovered, this is how I understand things:

To uncover 9-11 would reveal a vast clandestine network that spans the globe. This network has sought for over a century to bring about a one world government (a New World Order). They are close to achiveing this goal. It has cost many great people their lives. Wars, assassinations, poverty, torture, and more have all been used as tools in achieving this goal. The left has been part of this goal, so while they despise and fight against various injustices being used to bring about the goal, they cannot expose the vast conspiracy or its goal. To do so would threaten achievement of the goal, and besides, they would be judged as complicit in the crimes. So, WHENEVER there is a conspiracy related to this clandestine group and its goal, they turn away from it, and attempt to keep the facts hidden in the darkness. They even go so far as to create disinformation that whitewashes the truth. 9-11 is only one of the more recent examples.

But why would presumably good people, like Matt Taibbi, want to be involved in such a dark “goal,” and work to maintain its secrecy? Because, many in the progressive community believe that the alternative to a one-world federated government would be a global military empire. They view the latter as a much more chilling alternative. And while the movement toward a one world government has plenty of innocent blood on its hands, and is apparently led by such human rights luminaries as Henry Kissinger, the left establishment feels that a one world government would be much more open to liberal reform than would be a fascist military empire. Furthermore, the left presently feels that so many of their ranks are highly positioned within the New World Order movement (and yes, it is a movement, albeit largely secret), that they feel well poised to turn this emerging federation into a global democratic utopia. Naïve, perhaps. Yet they feel the future is on the line. And, if the public were to learn the truth about 9-11, it would in all likelihood shut down the entire operation and the anti-government backlash would very likely lead to some form of fascist global corporatocracy.

Jon, I am trying to remain objective here:

Do you think that this was a productive effort on your behalf?

In hindsight what would you do differently, if anything?

Are you aware of other ways to have tried to address Matt T?

What has been the most relevent, in your eyes, part of this discussion?

Matt Taibbi: "I wonder that none of you seem to notice that all of the country’s best reporters and best investigators equally think that 9/11 Truth is a joke — people like Seymour Hersh and Wayne Barrett and Lawrence Wright — while the leading writers in your movement all have histories writing, commercially, about other conspiracy theories."

I would have responded, "Well, what about the over 1,400 Architects and engineers who have signed the AE911Truth petition demanding a real investigation into 9/11. Why do you place your trust in journalists and reporters who are ignorant of basic facts regarding 9/11, over the architects/engineers who have actually investigated the issue?"

I support your statement.

In particular, I support your call for people to do what they do best. Everyone has different strengths, different knowledge, different passions.

From afar, the fighting between CD and other areas of research seems a waste of energy at times. Surely they are parrallel research areas?

'Divide and rule' = break things up and disrupt.

Having said that, 'the big tent' - which embraces all research, however spurious - is also not advisable.

It's a matter of using common sense and logic - which we all possess and should not underestimate .

It's important not to fall into the trap of wasting energy 'discussing things to death' - eg. anything related to the Pentagon - patently a dead end because the Pentagon holds all the cards and is, by definition, a non-transparent organisation.

From Matt Taibbi:

"But if you’re going to conflate holes in the official story with evidence of US involvement, that tells me you’re not an intellectually serious person, and I’ll pass. Of course we’ve been lied to about 9/11. Governments lie about everything. But that’s a long way from complicity in the attacks."

Jon why did you not give Matt Taibbi exactly what he was asking for, direct evidence, proof that the US government was complicit in the attacks on 9/11.

At this point, there is already a massive amount of information that proves this complicity, information that come directly from the US government’s own investigations of the attacks on 9/11. Of course this information is scattered over several thousand pages of reports and has to be carefully pieced carefully back together again, but even this effort has already been done.

So Jon please explain why you did not present this information to Taibbi, you had a golden, pardon the pun, opportunity and then blew it.

How many opportunities do you think you get before people like Taibbi are completely turned off by all of the BS?

He exaggerates and distorts to the point of dishonesty, when he talks about his experiences with the Tea Partiers. His writing is more like a Rush Limbaugh rant - and every bit as reliable and insightful - except directed at righties instead of lefties.

Here's a precious quote by Taibbi:

“The individuals in the Tea Party may come from very different walks of life, but most of them have a few things in common. After nearly a year of talking with Tea Party members from Nevada to New Jersey, I can count on one hand the key elements I expect to hear in nearly every interview. One: Every single one of them was that exceptional Republican who did protest the spending in the Bush years, and not one of them is the hypocrite who only took to the streets when a black Democratic president launched an emergency stimulus program. (“Not me — I was protesting!” is a common exclamation.) Two: Each and every one of them is the only person in America who has ever read the Constitution or watched Schoolhouse Rock. (Here they have guidance from Armey, who explains that the problem with “people who do not cherish America the way we do” is that “they did not read the Federalist Papers.”) Three: They are all furious at the implication that race is a factor in their political views — despite the fact that they blame the financial crisis on poor black homeowners, spend months on end engrossed by reports about how the New Black Panthers want to kill “cracker babies,” support politicians who think the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was an overreach of government power, tried to enact South African-style immigration laws in Arizona and obsess over Charlie Rangel, ACORN and Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Four: In fact, some of their best friends are black! (Reporters in Kentucky invented a game called “White Male Liberty Patriot Bingo,” checking off a box every time a Tea Partier mentions a black friend.) And five: Everyone who disagrees with them is a radical leftist who hates America.”

I discussed this further in the JREF thread on Taibbi, here.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/03/31/being-proud-of-what-we-are-not/

9/11 & Many Unanswered Questions: Again, many of our readers know how the powers have successfully turned this topic into a taboo equal (or more extreme!) than Ebola. Simply put, the motto on this issue has become: ‘Thou shall not mention 9/11 unless it is to advocate for bigger government and lesser liberties via fear mongering.’ All truth seekers, all critical thinkers, anyone who dares to point out major discrepancies has been placed in one bucket tagged as nut cases. Are there some really ‘way out there’ people with more ‘way out there’ theories on this major world-changing issue? You bet! I wish you could read some of the most absurd letters and e-mails I’ve received from people in this category. On the other hand, to place activist 9/11 family members who have been pushing for real investigations and answers, all the former and current government intelligence & law enforcement experts and witnesses who have raised their legitimate flags, all rational people who haven’t given up their critical thinking thus have been seeking ‘real’ answers … all in that same bucket? Well, as far as conspiracies go, that will make it to the top of the list: successfully implemented propaganda by the powers.

I have had e-mails and calls from well-known and well-respected people who criticize and warn me every time I write a piece, raise a question, or make a comment on this topic. They say: ‘you don’t want to marginalize yourself by touching this issue, Sibel.’ They say: ‘I am sorry I cannot grant an interview because you are known to be associated with the 9/11 issue.’ They ask: ‘Why do you risk your reputation and reduce the chances of having a successful site by touching this issue?!’

This website is not about 9/11 but many of the issues covered here are directly or indirectly relevant to what happened on September 11, 2001. How could they not be?! The event triggering senseless wars, the PATRIOT ACT, Illegal Eavesdropping, Imperialism via Expansion of Bases, the persecution (and prosecution!) of whistleblowers, Warrantless Body Searches & Groping … is the beginning, the core and the center of many issues we’ve been facing; not only here in the US but everywhere in the world. Period! This site is not a platform for every 9/11 activist out there, but then again, this site does not shy away from tackling and covering the issue when it is related or relevant. Again, period!

TWO!!! ;)

http://911truthnews.com/taibbi-911-commission-full-of-holes/