with all due respect - i've been hearing this same claim since 2003.

i think its time for you to accept ALL of the evidence - and stop trying to create peer pressure among activists to embrace only ONE AVENUE of truth. what is this? high school?

AE911Truth is being represented at this event. what more do you want? to beat Jon Gold with sticks and declare him a witch?

let it go already. Gold is one of this movements most enduring and highly respected and productive activists. His work with Sibel and Shaffer and the Jersey widows and Press for the Truth and TOO MANY OTHER EXAMPLES TO LIST HERE has been an INCREDIBLE contribution towards keeping this movement alive.

CD is being represented at this event. Jon's agenda is clear. one really has to wonder what YOUR agenda is.

"We need to move beyond conspiracy theories and slogans - and return to our roots. 9/11 Truth is no less than a constitution battle to ensure our rights as citizens to demand full and honest answers from our appointed representatives in Washington." JA

After reading your reply, I was forced to acknowledge how naive I truly am in believing that truth will somehow always triumph over lies. You made a superb parallel between 9-11 and JFK, and I think I would have to agree that characters in the movement such as Jim Fetzer have served mainly to distract and disrupt logical, critical thinking in order to solve the problem. It's a shame, but it needs to be addressed. Perhaps I was not thinking realistically when I assumed that working together would automatically make us find what we were looking for. I am not swayed by "pet" theories or personalities, and I think that is why I have equal respect for Dr. Steven Jones, for Richard Gage, AIA, for those of us that research and expose credible evidence, not complete speculation. I have noticed that Jon is extremely careful whom he associates himself with, and this has made me understand much more clearly why. I find it so incredible that the more you look into 9-11, JFK, or any other "taboo" subject of human history or pivotal moment in time, it seems that more and more unanswered questions surface and less of what you were looking for in the first place becomes clear. I pray (and I am not anywhere near religious) that we will all eventually understand who, what, why, and how about 9-11. Prayer does not answer questions, and people like Aidan, Adam, John, Jon, and countless other tireless investigators have taught me over the years of looking into this that pinning the 9-11 mystery on one person or even one group just doesn't work, and assuming you know who, what, why and how only underscores your ignorance, and reveals how eager you are to latch on to what you believe to be the absolute truth. I learn so much from all of you, and I appreciate you all so much.

The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry

What you wrote John is really reflecting a big part of what I think.
On the other hand, comparing the JFK case with 9/11 is a bit difficult. Did you ever see any association of 1000 professionals asking for a reopening of the investigation in the case of JFK? Did you have all of those videos, testimonies and data? And most important of all, did you have anything that can compare to the internet in 1963?

A lot of data has been lost forever in the JFK case precisely because of the lack of technology at the time to reproduce and spread it fast. It was much more easy to eliminate evidence and witnesses. You just had to destroy the negatives and the photos were gone forever. Same thing for movies. Now in the digital age, its much more difficult. 9/11 would be even harder to cover up if it happened in 2010 with all those smart phones taking clear pictures and videos.

So in a way, the massive disinfo and "cleanup" of important evidence and key witnesses that happened in the JFK case can't really happen the same way in the case of 9/11. I'd say the only real protection they have now is the wall of resistance of the MSM.

Still, I also think that there has to be people working on different aspects of this complex event and massive crime in order to be a real efficient group of activists.

I must admit that, since the CD theory has become so credible and important, I've always been a bit annoyed by the fact that Jon Gold insists so much and constantly on the fact that we can't rely only on this aspect of the event. While it is true, it's creating division and it's in a way, provocation for those who have spent so much energy to convince normal citizen in the streets, not to mention people like Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan etc . And in a situation where there are "people" watching the movement in its every move, that kind of division is helping them. I mean, once it is said, why is it so important to insist that much?

I can understand for instance that the pentagon crash is a touchy subject to avoid since there is so little data to research, and since CIT went IMO a bit too far into speculations ( I still appreciate their work and think the critics were aggressive, but its another story) and that we have to be careful. Same goes for United 93. Even the phone calls from the planes. But isn't 1000 architects and engineers enough to confirm that this is not just a vague theory? I know Jon never said he doesn't endorse AE911but he is still the only one that I know of, that constantly write on Blogger and mentions in interviews that point of view with so much intensity.

Also, I have to say, sadly, that one month ago I would have been a bit harsher toward Jon Gold's opinion, but now, after I learned that Steven E Jones made a preentation about man made earthquakes and after I debated with We Are Change's Bruno in a post on this website about chemtrails, I am very disappointed. I can't understand that people who have given so much time and energy to this cause would put their credibility at risk by covering such speculative subjects. But I said it once and I won't insist anymore.

Richard Gage is really the person that makes me confident because he has a solid credibility and he was a regular guy before his involvement, who was a republican (so no one can call him a socialist from San Francisco!), and he is qualified in architecture. By seeing the results of his efforts lately, we have to admit that the CD "theory" is not so much of a theory, but ratter a more than probable possibility. And to this day, I haven't heard a so called debunker destroy point by point the facts and observations that AE911 truth have brought to our attention.

If mainstream news around the World, and now, even the Washington Post begin to cover their work seriously, after all the propaganda aired about the official NIST explanations, to me, it says something.

My conclusion is: let's stop this useless debate. Jon Gold has done so much and still continues to put so much energy in the movement that he doesn't have to prove his credibilty, nor the fact that to him, CD is not the only way to convince the population. The more different angles will be covered, the more chances we have to achieve our goal. But I agree with you, those angles HAVE to be credible and the same goes to the people presenting them.

We should use the facts that speak for themselves as Gold says, most of us would include WTC 7's demolition in that and that my friend is where this argument really lies between Gold and many of us.

As we move forward more of us understand political credibility and desire it, AE911Truth present us a way to get this it appears to me and is demonstrated by recent media. Although unfortunately many in the Peace Movement and in politics do not have a good grasp of physics, being predominantly interested in humanities, society, the economy and law which has presented a great barrier to these concepts.

The analogy that was made and has been made often with the JFK "magic bullet" and "WTC 7" and how they are both perceived would be a useful study to conduct.....to see whether the CD argument is the one that will win the day and the truth. For me the physics of the JFK assassination was what proved the conspiracy...but I am an engineer:)

Regards John

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It would be great if we could end this thread right here on a positive note and get back to the business of spreading some 9/11 truth.

I agree, we do not have to agree 100% with any group we are trying to align ourselves with. Anyone who approaches a peace group should find out if they have anything in common with that group before pursuing a relationship with them. My point is; when people in the 911 Truth Movement approach people in the peace movement, they may be tempted to discuss at length about; "how 9/11 is the foundation for the current wars" and " how the 9/11 commissioners admit they were lied to" when they should really start with WTC7.

“9/11 truth is non-partisan or trans-partisan by definition and it is becoming very clear to me that this is one of the main reasons why the leadership of established ideologically based groups (such as "left" leaning peace groups) work very hard to keep a 9/11 truth informed critique away from their members.”

Although some may fall into this category, I think the majority of peace activists, like Graham Mcqueen explains, have simply never taken the time to look at the information people in the 9/11 Truth Movement have put together.