Lt. Col. Bob Bowman Speaks at Brave New Books 7/8/2009
Dr. Bob Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, retired. 101 combat missions in Vietnam as fighter pilot. PhD in Aeronautics & Nuclear Engineering, Caltech. Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.
During this presentation at Brave New Books in Austin, Texas, Dr. Bowman discusses the 9/11 Truth Movement, President Obama, the left vs. right distraction, restoring the U.S. Constitutional Republic and much more.
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I asked him once...
If he could explain to me whether or not Payne Stewart's plane was intercepted in 20 minutes or an 1hr and 20 minutes, and he couldn't. Was very disappointed.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Hey Jon
Not sure I understand the question you asked Bob, can you give me more details...
Who's Payne Stewart? What Plane (I'm assuming flight 93) and I don't understand the two time frames of interception.
Thanks Doug
Payne...
Stewart was a golfer who's plane went off course.
When it was originally reported, they said, "a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with a pair of F-16 Falcons from the Air National Guard at Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla., about 20 minutes after ground controllers lost contact."
The families told me they argued with the staffers over this point... and were essentially told about this (the same thing 911myths.com uses). Basically, the plane crossed over a timezone, and that means that instead of 20 minutes as was originally reported, it took an hour and 20 minutes to intercept the plane.
I don't believe that. If you're traveling in a jet a distance of 5 miles, which, for the purposes of discussion, takes 30 seconds, and you cross over a time zone, what normally takes 30 seconds, suddenly takes an hour and 30 seconds? That makes no sense to me.
My question was essentially, does a time zone change add or subtract an hour? Or, do the clocks change on the ground, but 10 minutes is 10 minutes to a plane in the sky...
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
The Naval Observatory Clock Shows Time Zone Change
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/timer.pl
EDT is an hour ahead of CDT.
"At 0927:10 EDT, N47BA called the Jacksonville ARTCC controller and stated that the flight was climbing through an altitude of FL 230. At 0927:13 EDT, the controller instructed N47BA to climb and maintain FL 390. At 0927:18 EDT, N47BA acknowledged the clearance by stating, "three nine zero bravo alpha." This was the last known radio transmission from the airplane.4 The sound of the cabin altitude aural warning5 was not heard on the ATC recording of this transmission.6
At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. The controller received no response from N47BA. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response.
About 0952 CDT,7 a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA.8 About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet,9 the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response. About 1000 CDT, the test pilot began a visual inspection of N47BA. There was no visible damage to the airplane, and he did not see ice accumulation on the exterior of the airplane. Both engines were running, and the rotating beacon was on. He stated that he could not see inside the passenger section of the airplane because the windows seemed to be dark. "
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2000/AAB0001.htm
So, by 0940 EDT preps for interception were underway it would seem.
Then, at 1000 CDT/1100 EDT visual inspection was underway.
So do you add or subtract an hour?
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
If EDT is an hour ahead
And interception takes place at ~9:54 CDT, then this equals 10:54 EDT, i.e. an hour and 21 minutes later than 09:33 EDT, when it was still 08:33 CDT.
Make sense?
I don't think I picked the right times for launch and interception, but this doesn't matter, so long as you get the point of timezones.
Other example: on new years eve, it's new year in Paris when it's still only 23:00 in London.
Should you fly from Paris to London in 40 minutes, you leave at 0:00 .. and arrive at 23:40 GMT (Greenwich Mean Time)
Heh. I hope I didn't make anything worse.
Go With The EDT Timezone
So, it took from ~0940 EDT to ~1100 EDT to get a plane up and intercept. One hour and 20 min.
It would seem unlikely that this event would have the alert status of a hijacking. Do we know if the protocol is different for an unresponsive plane compared to a hijacking?
Robin Hordon
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5343541979128778791
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBOPJiKE_qM
Excellent Presentation
This (video Presentation) was one of my more memorable high-lights at the Vancouver 9/11 Truth Conference
There are...
Protocols for a plane going off course, there are protocols if a plane doesn't respond to a radio transmission, there are protocols for hijackings. It doesn't seem like any were followed on 9/11.
I dunno... I'm stupid. To me... if a plane travels a distance that takes 5 minutes, and they happen to cross a time zone in that 5 minutes, does that mean that 5 minutes becomes 1 hr and 5 minutes? To me, that is the argument that is being made by the "anti-truthers." I'm trying to understand why the original report of 20 minutes is incorrect. When I talked to that NORAD guy, he said with regards to intercepts, "here's a very rough example from a non-pilot (me): An F-15, with a top speed of 1,800 mph could intercept an aircraft 600 miles away flying parallel to where the fighter took off in 20+ minutes or so, now if the "target" aircraft is flying at 600 mph and heading toward the place where the fighter took off then the intercept would be at the 400 mile mark and would likely take only 13 minutes or so--theoretically, depending on winds and weather, etc..."
How many miles away were the fighters from Payne's flight?
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Interesting statement
by the NORAD guy.
It seems you need to separate two things:
Either:
(1) A statement is made regarding the duration of flight from take off to arrival (intercept), regardless of time zones. (Theoretically using a stopwatch, whatever)
Or:
(2) A statement is made regarding the time of take off in one time zone, and the time of arrival (intercept) in another time zone, after which the duration is erroneously deduced by substracting the time of take off from the time of arrival, both in different time zones.
If the actual duration of the flight from take off to arrival (intercept) exceeds one hour, then it has the potential to become confusing, where otherwise any error would immediately become clear (from east to west) because arrival time minus take off time would be a negative number.
When you are measuring duration, you need to use one frame of reference, one time zone. This means you should transpose all reported times into one time zone, and then do your calculations.
It also matters in which direction you fly. Do you fly from north to south or from south to north? You'll probably not be crossing any time zones.
Do you fly from west to east (away from the sun)? The clocks go forward one hour every time you cross a time zone border
Do you fly from east to west (chasing the sun)? The clocks go backward one hour every time you cross a time zone border.
Needless to say, of course, that changing a clock that hangs on wall somewhere doesn't actually allow time travel, it just changes when you get up in the morning.
I now remember that incident
Thanks Jon
why would he know that question?
& why place ANY emphasis on it?
Our boy Miles gave an answer for that.
Because...
He was a fighter pilot, and "knows the procedure?"
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Good to see Bowman
speaking in public, again.
Bowman speaks often...
For many, many years Bowman has been speaking often. This is part of his summer tour. On 7/8 he was in Austin, TX and was in the Dallas area on 7/11. http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5616 & http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5522 From Dallas, he was headed to Oklahoma City and other cities.
Bowman was at a landmark 9/11 event on September 11, 2004 which was hosted by the famous Ed Begley. Edward James Begley, Jr. is an American actor, activist, and environmentalist.
A forum in NYC called "Confronting the Evidence: 911 and the Search for Truth" in New York City.
Good introduction to the subject of 9/11 here...
Good Job
Good Job Bob Bowman.
Senator Obama’s chief of staff was not aware of WTC 7
Bowman said he sat with Obama’s chief of staff, when he was a senator, for an hour and he had never seen WTC 7 collapse. If someone like that has not seen WTC 7 collapse, then many others have not seen WTC 7 collapse. This is what I find when I talk to people as well. This is good news. Yes, some are in denial, some have impenetrable paradigms, but most simply don’t know.
Who was
that chief of staff?
Possibly...
Pete Rouse ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rouse