I think that it is very good to have past information recycled quite often. I suspect that soon there may be many "newbies" who may take a look at the site and therefore, a continuous retrospective approach is very important to bring such folks up to speed. Actually, I think that we should have an "Oscar-like" celebration every year where we give awards to the best "9/11 Stuff" that came out in the previous year. This would give a great opportunity to "rescreen" past winners etc. Gotta repeat the propaganda for it to sink in...
However, part of this video perpetuates a point that has NOT YET been proven. When Cheney was alleterted that AA77 was headed to WDC, this is NOT TRUE. What was known at that time is that an unidentified airvehicle was headed towards WDC.
NOBODY ever positivey identified that primary target in question as being AA77, and in fact, ALL reports that I have seen support that it was only an UNKNOWN target at that time.
This is a fantastic example of the EXACT process of spreading the very information that the HI PERPS want spread using "cointelpro-disinfo", ...in that the primary target in question WAS AA77. This is an integral part of their planned storyline.
The lack of clarification of this AA77 identity issue is the same beef that I have with P4T when they proffered their animation given to them via FOIA. The animation supplied by the FBI through the NTSB shows that it WAS AA77 all the way from departure to impact [although there are some critical disputes and contradictions AT the Pentagon scene].
So, you may know the creators of this video, and if so, please ask them who it was that made a positive ID on the primary target in question as being the actual AA77 leading them to put this untrue "assertion" onto their video.
If this person or group KNOWS and has PROOF of this information, then this is a HUGE crack in the AA77-Pentagon saga.
Far too many people think that Thompson's Timeline is the end-all of the 9/11 Truth information library and data base. Thompson does more than anybody else to propigate the "myth" that people "KNEW" that the primary target in question WAS AA77.
Thompson's work repeats, repeats and repeats the planted "party line"...the line that the HI PERPS "had to have" planted and repeated, repeated and repeated to complete their Pentagon Attack Scenario with AA77 being the airvehicle in question.
Please show me the proof that it was AA77 that flew into, over, or near the Pentagn. If you, or the creators of this video cannot do so, then this creator needs to correct his video...just like P4T needs to correct how they present the HI PERP's nifty little animation that shapes the public's minds about it being AA77 that hit the Pentagon.
In the end, it indeed may be AA77 that may have done any of these things...but we do not know this at this time.
The HI PERPS have not been able to make their case about it being AA77, so why do we continue to do it for them in an innacurate video such as this one? This video does not accomplish the "truth" thing.
(9:26 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Cheney Given Updates on Unidentified Flight 77 Heading toward Washington; Says ‘Orders Still Stand’
According to some accounts, Vice President Dick Cheney is in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) below the White House by this time, along with Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta and others. Mineta will recall that, while a suspicious plane is heading toward Washington, an unidentified young man comes in and says to Cheney, “The plane is 50 miles out.” Mineta confers with acting FAA Deputy Administrator Monte Belger, who is at the FAA’s Washington headquarters. Belger says to him: “We’re watching this target on the radar, but the transponder’s been turned off. So we have no identification.” According to Mineta, the young man continues updating the vice president, saying, “The plane is 30 miles out,” and when he gets down to “The plane is 10 miles out,” asks, “Do the orders still stand?” In response, Cheney “whipped his neck around and said, ‘Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?’” Mineta will say that, “just by the nature of all the events going on,” he infers that the order being referred to is a shootdown order. Nevertheless, Flight 77 continues on and hits the Pentagon. [BBC, 9/1/2002; ABC News, 9/11/2002; 9/11 Commission, 5/23/2003; St. Petersburg Times, 7/4/2004] However, the 9/11 Commission will later claim the plane heading toward Washington is only discovered by the Dulles Airport air traffic control tower at 9:32 a.m. (see 9:32 a.m. September 11, 2001). But earlier accounts, including statements made by the FAA and NORAD, will claim that the FAA notified the military about the suspected hijacking of Flight 77 at 9:24 a.m., if not before (see (9:24 a.m.) September 11, 2001). The FBI’s Washington Field Office was also reportedly notified that Flight 77 had been hijacked at about 9:20 a.m. (see (9:20 a.m.) September 11, 2001). The 9/11 Commission will further contradict Mineta’s account saying that, despite the “conflicting evidence as to when the vice president arrived in the shelter conference room [i.e., the PEOC],” it has concluded that he only arrived there at 9:58 a.m. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] According to the Washington Post, the discussion between Cheney and the young aide over whether “the orders” still stand occurs later than claimed by Mineta, and is in response to Flight 93 heading toward Washington, not Flight 77. [Washington Post, 1/27/2002]
9:32 a.m. September 11, 2001: Cheney Is Notified That Flight 77 Is Headed To Washington
Vice President Cheney pointing a finger inside the Presidential Emergency Operations Center. Footage of the World Trade Center plays on the televisions in the background (exact time is unknown). Vice President Cheney pointing a finger inside the Presidential Emergency Operations Center. Footage of the World Trade Center plays on the televisions in the background (exact time is unknown). [Source: White House]According to the 9/11 Commission, the Dulles Airport terminal control facility in Washington has been looking for unidentified primary radar blips since 9:21 a.m. (see 9:21 a.m. September 11, 2001) and now finds one. Several Dulles flight controllers “observed a primary radar target tracking eastbound at a high rate of speed” and notify Reagan Airport. FAA personnel at both Reagan and Dulles airports notify the Secret Service. The identity or aircraft type is unknown. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] However, other accounts place the discovery of this plane by Dulles around 9:24 a.m. (see (9:24 a.m.) September 11, 2001) or 9:30 a.m. (see (9:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001), and Vice President Cheney is told radar is tracking Flight 77 at 9:27 a.m. (see (9:26 a.m.) September 11, 2001).
I think you're being a little harsh saying that "this video does not accomplish the "truth" thing." I thought one of the main reasons we do what we do is because, "it indeed may be AA77 that may have done any of these things...but we WE DO NOT KNOW AT THIS TIME?." Doesn't getting someone to question what happened "accomplish the "truth" thing?" You say that "far too many people think that Thompson's Timeline is the end-all of the 9/11 Truth information library and data base." I challenge you to find me a more comprehensive "9/11 Truth Information library and data base." It doesn't exist. You say that "Thompson does more than anybody else to propigate the "myth" that people "KNEW" that the primary target in question WAS AA77," but Thompson's timeline CLEARLY says "unidentified Flight 77" in the timeline entry, and does A LOT MORE than just "propigate the "myth" that people "KNEW" that the primary target in question WAS AA77." In my "Who Is? Archives" collection, I state, "I also want people to know that the information provided is not the “end all/be all” of 9/11. However, it is most definitely an excellent starting point." I am well aware the historycommons.org does not have all information. I have had to add information to some of my "Who Is?" pieces. However, it IS an excellent starting point for anyone new to the movement. That is no "untruth."
Also, to my knowledge 9/11: Press For Truth doesn't mention the Pentagon/Mineta story? When does it?
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Including the President and the VP were aware of the ongoing attack before 9:00 AM. All of them admit to seeing the attack on TV while it was occurring and then they proceeded to pretend there was nothing they could do about it.
Every single one of them went AWOL until after the Pentagon was hit.
Even if they didn't know anything about the attack, they should have all been impeached just for dereliction of duty. However, the fact that all of them responded to the attack in the same way, indicates foreknowledge and that this was their planned response.
Please share this...
And vote it up at youtube. Thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CL7vrcXbCQ
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Excellent Job, Jon!
Excellent Job, Jon! :-)
Regards,
Mark in Philly
YOUNG AMERICANS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY
http://www.FealGoodFoundation.com
HAHA! Charade you are!
Excellent musical choice. These pigs certainly think they're "more equal than others".
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
~George Orwell
Spreading an untruth...
Jon,
I think that it is very good to have past information recycled quite often. I suspect that soon there may be many "newbies" who may take a look at the site and therefore, a continuous retrospective approach is very important to bring such folks up to speed. Actually, I think that we should have an "Oscar-like" celebration every year where we give awards to the best "9/11 Stuff" that came out in the previous year. This would give a great opportunity to "rescreen" past winners etc. Gotta repeat the propaganda for it to sink in...
However, part of this video perpetuates a point that has NOT YET been proven. When Cheney was alleterted that AA77 was headed to WDC, this is NOT TRUE. What was known at that time is that an unidentified airvehicle was headed towards WDC.
NOBODY ever positivey identified that primary target in question as being AA77, and in fact, ALL reports that I have seen support that it was only an UNKNOWN target at that time.
This is a fantastic example of the EXACT process of spreading the very information that the HI PERPS want spread using "cointelpro-disinfo", ...in that the primary target in question WAS AA77. This is an integral part of their planned storyline.
The lack of clarification of this AA77 identity issue is the same beef that I have with P4T when they proffered their animation given to them via FOIA. The animation supplied by the FBI through the NTSB shows that it WAS AA77 all the way from departure to impact [although there are some critical disputes and contradictions AT the Pentagon scene].
So, you may know the creators of this video, and if so, please ask them who it was that made a positive ID on the primary target in question as being the actual AA77 leading them to put this untrue "assertion" onto their video.
If this person or group KNOWS and has PROOF of this information, then this is a HUGE crack in the AA77-Pentagon saga.
Far too many people think that Thompson's Timeline is the end-all of the 9/11 Truth information library and data base. Thompson does more than anybody else to propigate the "myth" that people "KNEW" that the primary target in question WAS AA77.
Thompson's work repeats, repeats and repeats the planted "party line"...the line that the HI PERPS "had to have" planted and repeated, repeated and repeated to complete their Pentagon Attack Scenario with AA77 being the airvehicle in question.
Please show me the proof that it was AA77 that flew into, over, or near the Pentagn. If you, or the creators of this video cannot do so, then this creator needs to correct his video...just like P4T needs to correct how they present the HI PERP's nifty little animation that shapes the public's minds about it being AA77 that hit the Pentagon.
In the end, it indeed may be AA77 that may have done any of these things...but we do not know this at this time.
The HI PERPS have not been able to make their case about it being AA77, so why do we continue to do it for them in an innacurate video such as this one? This video does not accomplish the "truth" thing.
Thank you.
Robin Hordon
Here...
Are both entries...
(9:26 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Cheney Given Updates on Unidentified Flight 77 Heading toward Washington; Says ‘Orders Still Stand’
According to some accounts, Vice President Dick Cheney is in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) below the White House by this time, along with Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta and others. Mineta will recall that, while a suspicious plane is heading toward Washington, an unidentified young man comes in and says to Cheney, “The plane is 50 miles out.” Mineta confers with acting FAA Deputy Administrator Monte Belger, who is at the FAA’s Washington headquarters. Belger says to him: “We’re watching this target on the radar, but the transponder’s been turned off. So we have no identification.” According to Mineta, the young man continues updating the vice president, saying, “The plane is 30 miles out,” and when he gets down to “The plane is 10 miles out,” asks, “Do the orders still stand?” In response, Cheney “whipped his neck around and said, ‘Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?’” Mineta will say that, “just by the nature of all the events going on,” he infers that the order being referred to is a shootdown order. Nevertheless, Flight 77 continues on and hits the Pentagon. [BBC, 9/1/2002; ABC News, 9/11/2002; 9/11 Commission, 5/23/2003; St. Petersburg Times, 7/4/2004] However, the 9/11 Commission will later claim the plane heading toward Washington is only discovered by the Dulles Airport air traffic control tower at 9:32 a.m. (see 9:32 a.m. September 11, 2001). But earlier accounts, including statements made by the FAA and NORAD, will claim that the FAA notified the military about the suspected hijacking of Flight 77 at 9:24 a.m., if not before (see (9:24 a.m.) September 11, 2001). The FBI’s Washington Field Office was also reportedly notified that Flight 77 had been hijacked at about 9:20 a.m. (see (9:20 a.m.) September 11, 2001). The 9/11 Commission will further contradict Mineta’s account saying that, despite the “conflicting evidence as to when the vice president arrived in the shelter conference room [i.e., the PEOC],” it has concluded that he only arrived there at 9:58 a.m. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] According to the Washington Post, the discussion between Cheney and the young aide over whether “the orders” still stand occurs later than claimed by Mineta, and is in response to Flight 93 heading toward Washington, not Flight 77. [Washington Post, 1/27/2002]
9:32 a.m. September 11, 2001: Cheney Is Notified That Flight 77 Is Headed To Washington
Vice President Cheney pointing a finger inside the Presidential Emergency Operations Center. Footage of the World Trade Center plays on the televisions in the background (exact time is unknown). Vice President Cheney pointing a finger inside the Presidential Emergency Operations Center. Footage of the World Trade Center plays on the televisions in the background (exact time is unknown). [Source: White House]According to the 9/11 Commission, the Dulles Airport terminal control facility in Washington has been looking for unidentified primary radar blips since 9:21 a.m. (see 9:21 a.m. September 11, 2001) and now finds one. Several Dulles flight controllers “observed a primary radar target tracking eastbound at a high rate of speed” and notify Reagan Airport. FAA personnel at both Reagan and Dulles airports notify the Secret Service. The identity or aircraft type is unknown. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] However, other accounts place the discovery of this plane by Dulles around 9:24 a.m. (see (9:24 a.m.) September 11, 2001) or 9:30 a.m. (see (9:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001), and Vice President Cheney is told radar is tracking Flight 77 at 9:27 a.m. (see (9:26 a.m.) September 11, 2001).
I think you're being a little harsh saying that "this video does not accomplish the "truth" thing." I thought one of the main reasons we do what we do is because, "it indeed may be AA77 that may have done any of these things...but we WE DO NOT KNOW AT THIS TIME?." Doesn't getting someone to question what happened "accomplish the "truth" thing?" You say that "far too many people think that Thompson's Timeline is the end-all of the 9/11 Truth information library and data base." I challenge you to find me a more comprehensive "9/11 Truth Information library and data base." It doesn't exist. You say that "Thompson does more than anybody else to propigate the "myth" that people "KNEW" that the primary target in question WAS AA77," but Thompson's timeline CLEARLY says "unidentified Flight 77" in the timeline entry, and does A LOT MORE than just "propigate the "myth" that people "KNEW" that the primary target in question WAS AA77." In my "Who Is? Archives" collection, I state, "I also want people to know that the information provided is not the “end all/be all” of 9/11. However, it is most definitely an excellent starting point." I am well aware the historycommons.org does not have all information. I have had to add information to some of my "Who Is?" pieces. However, it IS an excellent starting point for anyone new to the movement. That is no "untruth."
Also, to my knowledge 9/11: Press For Truth doesn't mention the Pentagon/Mineta story? When does it?
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
All of the Top Bush Administration Officials
Including the President and the VP were aware of the ongoing attack before 9:00 AM. All of them admit to seeing the attack on TV while it was occurring and then they proceeded to pretend there was nothing they could do about it.
Every single one of them went AWOL until after the Pentagon was hit.
Even if they didn't know anything about the attack, they should have all been impeached just for dereliction of duty. However, the fact that all of them responded to the attack in the same way, indicates foreknowledge and that this was their planned response.
Three Pigs--nuff said.
These guys have caused unimaginable grief.
...don't believe them!