Steven Jones Q & A

Video from the Q & A session that followed Professor Steven Jones' presentation at UC Berkeley on November 11, 2006.

Awesome Performance!!!

What a firebrand Dr. Jones is! His straight-to-the-point, no BS delivery is positively inspiring! With Dr. Jones leading the charge we're sure to finally get 9/11 Truth out into the open! Just stay away from those such as Dr. Morgan Reynolds, who would cast doubt upon Jones' legitimacy...

IOK

Let's see...

Beam Weapons from the Star Wars Program and "no planes" at any of the 4 alleged sites. Touchdown! Thanks for the validation that these two issues are on the right track. Good clues. That saves us a lot of time, Mr. Jones.

Hey, if you really did think this was crazy, you wouldn't waste your time on floundering to debunk it and embarrass yourself in doing so. Thanks, again, for the validation!

I'll upload the Q & A with Jim Hoffman and the panel too

Those segments are pretty good and aren't full of spacebeams.

I'll do it tonight after I get back from thanksgiving dinner.

Posting this comment here, since this should see high traffic

Whoever is responsible for approving Blog entries, wouldn't approve this comment as a Blog entry. This Blog entry doesn't violate 911Blogger's Rules. So I don't know why it wasn't approved. I also don't know who is responsible for approving Blog entry's. But the fact that I submitted the Blog entry twice, over the span of about 27 hours, angers me. Why the censorship of this, 911Blogger!? Who is the censor?

This is in response to the recent 9/11 Poster blog entry by 'Real Truther'.

The 600,000 pound steel section embedded in the facade at floor 19 of the 51 story Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) is from the upper floors of the North towers' Westside exterior wall.

When the top section of the North tower began its' collapse, significant amounts of the upper South, West and Northside exterior walls were forcibly pushed outward, the height and momentum allowed some of the exteriors walls' heavy steel sections from the West and Northside to reach (and damage) buildings hundreds of feet from the North towers' base.

Namely, the Southside of Seven World Trade Center (7 WTC) to the North, and the Southside corner of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) to the West, with some of the North towers' upper Southside exterior wall crushing what remained standing of the Marriott hotel to the South of the North tower, after it was severly damaged, mainly by steel sections from part of the collapsing South towers' Westside exterior wall.

If the South tower started its collapse more "straight down" like the North tower, there would have probably been significant amounts of steel sections from its' Westside exterior wall embedded in the facade of Two World Financial Center (2 WFC) and/or Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) also. The top "block" of the South tower, however, started (and continued) its' collapse Eastward toward Church Street, with the majority of steel sections from the South towers' Eastside exterior wall reaching all the way to Church Street.

The furthest any of the steel section from the South towers' Westside exterior wall made it toward Two World Financial Center (2 WFC) was only halfway across West Street (Westside Highway,) where 9/11 victim/photographer Bill Biggart -- only minutes prior to his death on West Street from being crushed by debris during the collapse of the North tower -- photographed a few steel sections from the South towers' Westside exterior wall sticking up in the middle of West Street, embedded in the ground in front of the severly damaged Marriott hotel.

In the following video of the North towers' collapse, from 0:09 to 0:14, you see a section of (high) upper Westside exterior wall begin its forcible height/momentum collapse toward and into the general area of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) that the 600,000 pound exterior wall steel section was embedded.

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The following three satellite images show steel sections from the North towers' Westside exterior wall piled up at the World Financial Center Winter Gardens' West Street entrance. The red arrow in the one image is pointed at the 600,000 pound steel section embedded in the facade at floor 19 of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC). The two non-satellite images show: 1) View from above the Winter Garden: looking toward the ground in the direction of West Street at the large pile of steel sections from the North towers' Westside exterior wall piled up at the World Financial Center Winter Gardens' West Street entrance. 2) Inside the West Street entrance of the Winter Garden: steel section (and other steel debris) at the bottom of the marble stairs.

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So is it surprising to see one small steel section from the North towers' Westside exterior wall embedded in the facade of the Three World Financial Center (3 WFC), only 1/3 of the way up? No.

And other steel section(s) from the North towers' Westside exterior wall -- maybe originally attached to the embedded section (at floor 19,) at time of impact with Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) -- crushed a significant portion of the corner of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) only 10 stories below the embedded section (Second & third image.) Fourth image shows temporary supports (blue) holding up damaged support columns at the World Financial Center Winter Gardens' West Street entrance, which is obviously the area that the steel section inside the Winter Garden at the bottom of the marble stairs, smashed through.

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You can't forget how tall the towers were compared to Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) -- twice the height. Couple that with the extreme weight and force of the top of the North tower smashing down on the lower floors and walls; exterior walls very forcibly being pushed outward with LOTS of momentum and height, allowing them to reach a significant distance, even with the weight of the steel.

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A few hundred feet may seem far, but it isn't like the steel section that was embedded in Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) was embedded in the top of the building or something. It tore into the facade at floor 25 and came to rest at floor 19 -- less than half the height of the 51 story Three World Financial Center (3 WFC), and less than a quarter the height of the North towers' main above ground structure, not including the antenna.

The steel sections from the North towers' Westside exterior wall reached virtually the same distance as the South towers' Eastside exterior wall, when the top tilted and collapsed Eastward all the way to Church Street. Same distance, virtually the same tower height. The South towers' top had more momentum, because it was a lot heavier of a "chunk."

The amount of steel sections from the North towers' Westside exterior wall that collapsed toward Three World Financial Center (3 WFC), weighed much less. So, even though they were sent flying with tremendous force from the North towers' top section smashing down, they required less force to feed their momentum because they were less weight. Also, they fell from a higher collapse start point.

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I uploaded the following video clip of the South towers' collapse, filmed from Church Street looking south-west. You can see the top of the South tower collapse to Church Street. It doesn't -- as some people promote -- explode in mid-air and/or straighten itself back toward the Westside, collapsing straight down into the towers' footprint.

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I can't find it, but somewhere on the Internet is a better angle, filmed from Church Street, a bit further North. It shows a much steadier, fuller view of the South tower collapsing to Church Street. If anyone knows where it is, please post it. I looked and looked and looked, but couldn't find it.

In the first following image, the green arrows (and circle) represent the vantage point and line of sight of the better video that I can't find. The second image shows the debris field from the South towers' Eastside exterior wall (and more of the top of the tower) stretching all the way to Church Street.

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The following images are of the Marriott hotel, at the Westside base of the South tower. The first image is shortly before the North tower collapsed. It shows the Marriott severely damaged from the collapse of the South tower, and a few large sections of the South towers' Westside exterior wall that made it as far as the center of West Street. They might have made it further toward Two World Financial Center (2 WFC), but most of the South tower collapsed (sending its' momentum) East and East-south. The second image is the last picture that the photographer Bill Biggart ever took. It shows a close-up, more visible view of the first image. It was timestamped 10:28am, moments before the collapse of the North tower. Even without a lot of momentum during the South towers' collapse, as the majority of the tower collapsed in the opposite direction, large steel sections of the South towers' Westside exterior wall still collapsed half way across West Street and embedded themselves into the ground.

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Bill Biggart, as you read above, was killed on West Street from being crushed by debris during the collapse of the North tower. The incredible photograph's are surely important and appreciated, Bill! R.I.P.
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The following images show all that was left of the Marriott after the collapse of the North tower. The Marriott is outlined with a green box.

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In sum, the steel section in the facade at floor 19 of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) got there by collapsing from high up on the North towers' Westside exterior wall, height working to its' advantage, and LOTS of momentum from the tremendous weight and pressure of the top section of the North tower smashing virtually straight down, forcibly pushing it Westward, while also sending steel flying toward and into Seven World Trade Center (7 WTC) to the North, onto the base of the South tower and the Marriott to the South, and then proceding to collapse East, which is where you see the Antenna tilt toward a few seconds into collapse.

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The - Ø®£Z - watermark on many of the high-resolution images is to deter any would-be disinfo peddlers and the like from taking the images to use them to promote some nonsense. The pictures are not mine. I only put the watermark there as a deterent. If you would like to use the images for anything opposite of what I presented here, then go find the originals yourself.

My guess is it was disapproved

because it essentially is lengthy, hollow drivel that boils down to:

"You can't forget how tall the towers were compared to Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) -- twice the height. Couple that with the extreme weight and force of the top of the North tower smashing down on the lower floors and walls; exterior walls very forcibly being pushed outward with LOTS of momentum and height, allowing them to reach a significant distance, even with the weight of the steel."

Which is a load of unscientific and baseless BS the likes of NIST usually peddle. So the "extreme weight" and "LOTS of momentum and height" - all acting along the vertical axis under the constraints of the OCT, I should emphasize - drove 600.000 pounds of steel horizontally for several hundred feet. Sure, sold me...

Just one question: Are you sure you don't want to invoke space-rays?

And somehow 'Real Truther's

And somehow 'Real Truther's Blog entry was scientific in any way, shape and/or form? I'd like to know who censored my Blog entry from being approved.

Maybe you should consider watching the collapse of the North tower from as many vantage points as possible, a few more times, and pay particular attention to how the top "chunk" collapses downward and notice how the Westside exterior wall from the collapse start point, is forcibly pushed in the direction of 3 WFC, then falls with momentum and about 100 story's worth of height, as I already explained in the simplist terms possible in my above comment.

The funniest thing, too, is in 'Real Truther's 9/11 Poster, he/she put a picture of an apple bouncing off Newton's head. And what does that image show? It shows the apple going straight down with force, hitting his head, then bouncing sideways and far out past his body with lateral momentum, height allowing it to continue, gravity bringing it down, but not straight down. It doesn't hit his head and stop, or hit his head and then fall right down his side, or roll down his face.

Now compare that simple picture, which is akin to how an apple hitting someone's head with force would really behave, with how the top of the North tower collapses straight down on the structure below with lots of force (how much does the top chunk weigh compared to the few floors worth of Westside exterior wall sections' steel? thousands of times as heavy?) and sent the exterior wall flying from the force. It's not difficult to see if you are actually open to seeing real truth.

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As for your question, the answer is a solid No. I was probably the first person at 911Blogger in June 2006 to call out Reynolds as being disinfo/destruction. Reynolds being one of the main promoters of that bullshit with Judy Wood. Now Fetzer is basically in support of that bullshit. And in September 2006, at 911Blogger, I used one quick example about the Pentagon to call out Fetzer as being disinfo/destruction. You can read it here. Make sure to read Fetzer's lengthy, attack anything but what I posted, bullshit no-paragraph-break response that doesn't answer to any of the charges against him. Except for him to completely fail to understand that the cars on fire and not crushed in front of the building, were to the left of the 757's left wing, and to the left of the left wing engine. With easy clear height for the left wing tip to fly above the short roof height of the vehicles. Read what I posted, read his response. Then laugh at him like I did.

I emailed you last night

I emailed you last night about your blog entry, go check your email. If you didnt get it then contact me via the contact links on the page.

Okay. I read the email.

Okay. I read the email. Thank you.

So where did the energy come

So where did the energy come from to deflect that section of steel into the building hundreds of feet away?  I assume that you are saying that it is not an issue as steel debris is scattered over a large area?

The energy must come from somewhere, if due tot he collision and momentum deflection of the falling steel with the tower (during collapse) then why is the speed of the collapse not slowed? Its at near free fall speeds..

The speed at which the tower collapse is very significant as it raises all kinds of other valid questions and confines the possible explanations of what was seen to a very narrrow set.

 

imgstacke: "The energy must

imgstacke: "The energy must come from somewhere, if due tot he collision and momentum deflection of the falling steel with the tower (during collapse) then why is the speed of the collapse not slowed? Its at near free fall speeds."

Well, it isn't exactly "near free fall speed." When both towers are collapsing, as the collapse reaches closer to their bases (maybe when 1/3 of each tower has not yet collapsed,) near the end of their collapses, the dust clouds that fall/settle slower obscure a lot of what's happening, including how many more seconds full collapse actually took, opposed to widely promoted "free fall in 10 seconds blah blah, etc." statements.

- How can you say that the collapse wasn't slowed down at all when the top "chunk" impact smashed down causing the exterior walls to be forcibly dispersed?
- Do you have real, exact time video of the collapses with all necessary frames to make sure that the video isn't maybe already slightly slower or faster than real life?
- How do you know that any and/or all tower collapse videos that you've watched haven't been purposely altered speed wise, in an attempt to trick the viewer into believing what the presenter is showing?
- How can you say that the collapse wasn't slowed down at all when the top "chunk" impact, with said upper exterior wall steel sections, was right after the start of collapse, before collapse started to reach "full speed"?
- Do you have evidence that every single foot worth, or even every single story worth of collapse of the tower was the exact same speed? and that it was the same speed as when the top "chunk" immediately began its smash down at the start of the towers' collapse? I doubt it.

Maybe the tower would have collapsed slightly faster than it did, if it didn't meet any minor resistance during the start of and/or parts of its real collapse, if it did, in fact, meet any noticable and/or significant resistance, whether millisecond(s) or second(s).

What I simply presented above in my first comment in this Blog, is that it was clearly the force from the weight of the WAY larger, WAY heavier top "chunk" forcibly smashing and pushing the WAY smaller, WAY lighter exterior steel sections outward with tremendous lateral force/momentum, from a height of about 100 story's, height working to the force/momentum's advantage.

Whereas, the North towers' lower floors' Exterior walls didn't make it as far away from the base of the tower, mainly because they didn't have the advantage of height to continue any forcible lateral fall a lengthier distance. I can't think of the best words to use to explain what I'm trying to say. I'm just typing quickly. But it's so incredibly easy to see if you just watch and think clearly.

As for the core, and what exactly happend to it, that's a different story. But that isn't what I was answering. I wasn't answering the whole specifics, causes and reasons of the entire towers' collapse.

Watch North tower collapse videos, there are way more than the one that I posted, as I'm sure you obviously know. I only posted the one that sadly, is pretty low-resolution, but it shows the exterior wall steel sections being forcibly sent into 3 WFC, after being smahed down on by the massive weight of the top "chunk."

It's easy to understand.

And, not faulting or directing this at you, imgstacke (unless you voted my first comment down,) but I think it's worth mentioning now. The comment rating "up arrow down arrow" feature here is too funny. Because, so long as anyone is a registered user, they can anonymously vote a comment down. So any spook-ish, disinfo peddling users, etc. can vote my comments down and make them appear hidden lol But that makes me feel good, because anyone who voted my comment down, did so anonymously without presenting any refutation. So I just laugh at "them." :D

The 600,000 pound steel section embedded in the facade at floor

I think and hope you had meant "60,000 lbs" rather than "600,000lbs."

Thank you DR. JONES!

For all that you have done for the truth.This video was great! It is so amazing that with all of this, the media still turns it's nose up.
Iam still waiting for some prominate NIST or any other expert try to disprove you.Fact is they can't.
I still think the 9/11 debate pushed for by Muckraker will not happen.They can't hold up to scholars like Jones.

Great stuff YT. I now see

Great stuff YT.

I now see what people mean by "eternal patience".

That a small (probably under a dozen) clique of clownish disinfo trolls are trying to slander this soft-spoken man and his research; it's truly appalling.

Let them take their space beams and go play star wars.

Remember, it was superthermite, so it can do anything.

Remember, it was superthermite, so it can do anything. Jones doesn't need to prove this. It doesn't matter that no one has ever heard of this superthermite before Jones introduced it. Nor does it matter that thermite has never been used to bring down buildings in controlled demolition.

The most fascinating part of this video is where Jones is at a loss to account for the pulverization, so he attempts to bs his way out of that by saying he knows of no evidence that there was any pulverization.

THEN WHAT KIND OF A RESEARCHER IS HE IF HE DOESN'T LOOK AT THE DATA???

The MC had to stop the questions to save Jones.

Jones all but said, "Nothing but thermite can explain what vaporized the WTC because I'm paid to get you to think that."

So, what's his story for WTC6? Duh... "new and improved superduper thermite?" Let's see a "proof of concept" for that.

Thanks for posting that. I was amazed to see that he had no answers for any of the questions! Instead, he slandered other researchers. That's desperate!

No. He said that there was

No. He said that there was no evidence that the Steel was pulverized. Let's not confuse the issue.

There is plenty of evidence that has been put before Jones.

So, why hasn't he looked at this evidence? Or did he just conveniently forget that he had? The evidence is clear. Curiously, It was on the very website he took those pictures off of! Imagine that.

Has it been erased? Both

Has it been erased? Both here and on Youtube it plays for only one second before the "play again?" prompt pops up.

hmm nope

It seems to be working fine for me.