But so far, it hasn't been accepted. So I'm posting it as a comment in here also.
The 600,000 pound steel section embedded in the facade at floor 19 of the 51 story Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) is from the upper floors of the North towers' Westside exterior wall.
When the top section of the North tower began its' collapse, significant amounts of the upper South, West and Northside exterior walls were forcibly pushed outward, the height and momentum allowed some of the exteriors walls' heavy steel sections from the West and Northside to reach (and damage) buildings hundreds of feet from the North towers' base.
Namely, the Southside of Seven World Trade Center (7 WTC) to the North, and the Southside corner of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) to the West, with some of the North towers' upper Southside exterior wall crushing what remained standing of the Marriott hotel to the South of the North tower, after it was severly damaged, mainly by steel sections from part of the collapsing South towers' Westside exterior wall.
If the South tower started its collapse more "straight down" like the North tower, there would have probably been significant amounts of steel sections from its' Westside exterior wall embedded in the facade of Two World Financial Center (2 WFC) and/or Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) also. The top "block" of the South tower, however, started (and continued) its' collapse Eastward toward Church Street, with the majority of steel sections from the South towers' Eastside exterior wall reaching all the way to Church Street.
The furthest any of the steel section from the South towers' Westside exterior wall made it toward Two World Financial Center (2 WFC) was only halfway across West Street (Westside Highway,) where 9/11 victim/photographer Bill Biggart -- only minutes prior to his death on West Street from being crushed by debris during the collapse of the North tower -- photographed a few steel sections from the South towers' Westside exterior wall sticking up in the middle of West Street, embedded in the ground in front of the severly damaged Marriott hotel.
In the following video of the North towers' collapse, from 0:09 to 0:14, you see a section of (high) upper Westside exterior wall begin its forcible height/momentum collapse toward and into the general area of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) that the 600,000 pound exterior wall steel section was embedded.
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The following three satellite images show steel sections from the North towers' Westside exterior wall piled up at the World Financial Center Winter Gardens' West Street entrance. The red arrow in the one image is pointed at the 600,000 pound steel section embedded in the facade at floor 19 of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC). The two non-satellite images show: 1) View from above the Winter Garden: looking toward the ground in the direction of West Street at the large pile of steel sections from the North towers' Westside exterior wall piled up at the World Financial Center Winter Gardens' West Street entrance. 2) Inside the West Street entrance of the Winter Garden: steel section (and other steel debris) at the bottom of the marble stairs.
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So is it surprising to see one small steel section from the North towers' Westside exterior wall embedded in the facade of the Three World Financial Center (3 WFC), only 1/3 of the way up? No.
And other steel section(s) from the North towers' Westside exterior wall -- maybe originally attached to the embedded section (at floor 19,) at time of impact with Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) -- crushed a significant portion of the corner of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) only 10 stories below the embedded section (Second & third image.) Fourth image shows temporary supports (blue) holding up damaged support columns at the World Financial Center Winter Gardens' West Street entrance, which is obviously the area that the steel section inside the Winter Garden at the bottom of the marble stairs, smashed through.
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You can't forget how tall the towers were compared to Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) -- twice the height. Couple that with the extreme weight and force of the top of the North tower smashing down on the lower floors and walls; exterior walls very forcibly being pushed outward with LOTS of momentum and height, allowing them to reach a significant distance, even with the weight of the steel.
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A few hundred feet may seem far, but it isn't like the steel section that was embedded in Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) was embedded in the top of the building or something. It tore into the facade at floor 25 and came to rest at floor 19 -- less than half the height of the 51 story Three World Financial Center (3 WFC), and less than a quarter the height of the North towers' main above ground structure, not including the antenna.
The steel sections from the North towers' Westside exterior wall reached virtually the same distance as the South towers' Eastside exterior wall, when the top tilted and collapsed Eastward all the way to Church Street. Same distance, virtually the same tower height. The South towers' top had more momentum, because it was a lot heavier of a "chunk."
The amount of steel sections from the North towers' Westside exterior wall that collapsed toward Three World Financial Center (3 WFC), weighed much less. So, even though they were sent flying with tremendous force from the North towers' top section smashing down, they required less force to feed their momentum because they were less weight. Also, they fell from a higher collapse start point.
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I uploaded the following video clip of the South towers' collapse, filmed from Church Street looking south-west. You can see the top of the South tower collapse to Church Street. It doesn't -- as some people promote -- explode in mid-air and/or straighten itself back toward the Westside, collapsing straight down into the towers' footprint.
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I can't find it, but somewhere on the Internet is a better angle, filmed from Church Street, a bit further North. It shows a much steadier, fuller view of the South tower collapsing to Church Street. If anyone knows where it is, please post it. I looked and looked and looked, but couldn't find it.
In the first following image, the green arrows (and circle) represent the vantage point and line of sight of the better video that I can't find. The second image shows the debris field from the South towers' Eastside exterior wall (and more of the top of the tower) stretching all the way to Church Street.
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The following images are of the Marriott hotel, at the Westside base of the South tower. The first image is shortly before the North tower collapsed. It shows the Marriott severely damaged from the collapse of the South tower, and a few large sections of the South towers' Westside exterior wall that made it as far as the center of West Street. They might have made it further toward Two World Financial Center (2 WFC), but most of the South tower collapsed (sending its' momentum) East and East-south. The second image is the last picture that the photographer Bill Biggart ever took. It shows a close-up, more visible view of the first image. It was timestamped 10:28am, moments before the collapse of the North tower. Even without a lot of momentum during the South towers' collapse, as the majority of the tower collapsed in the opposite direction, large steel sections of the South towers' Westside exterior wall still collapsed half way across West Street and embedded themselves into the ground.
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Bill Biggart, as you read above, was killed on West Street from being crushed by debris during the collapse of the North tower. The incredible photograph's are surely important and appreciated, Bill! R.I.P.
The following images show all that was left of the Marriott after the collapse of the North tower. The Marriott is outlined with a green box.
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In sum, the steel section in the facade at floor 19 of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) got there by collapsing from high up on the North towers' Westside exterior wall, height working to its' advantage, and LOTS of momentum from the tremendous weight and pressure of the top section of the North tower smashing down and forcibly pushing it Westward.
'Real Truther,' I suggest not printing any more copy's of your poster. Because it isn't correct. It isn't any evidence. It isn't any smoking gun.
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The - Ø®£Z - watermark on many of the high-resolution images is to deter any would-be disinfo peddlers and the like from taking the images and using them to promote some nonsense. The pictures are not mine. I only put the watermark there as a deterent.
"I uploaded the following video clip of the South towers' collapse, filmed from Church Street looking south-west. You can see the top of the South tower collapse to Church Street. It doesn't -- as some people promote -- explode in mid-air and/or straighten itself back toward the Westside, collapsing straight down into the towers' footprint."
I watched the video. This view does not show the top exploding--but I have seen it in other footage. What this footage does show, however, is a cascading wave of explosions down the sides of the building, and yes, with cascading chunks from the top. It is not a classic CD, but it IS a demolition.
You reference momentum, but you don't say where this momentum came from. It cannot be the "weight' of the builds just falling--unless they fell OVER, through air, on their sides. To account for the observed momentum there must have been a mechanism for total, simultaneous structural failure throughout the buildings. And the mechanism that fits the facts BEST are explosions.
Real Truther, we may have our issues, but keep those posters printing, mate.
very interesting point you
very interesting point you make. it ALWAYS is the 2nd explosion fireball, almost never the collapses.
thanks ALW
I've found that printing these big makes a big impression on the public--cuts through the media fog, etc.
i guess the idea is "think magazine, not newspaper"
and you are right on about the use of the fireball image.
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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero
WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
I posted this as a blog hours ago
But so far, it hasn't been accepted. So I'm posting it as a comment in here also.
The 600,000 pound steel section embedded in the facade at floor 19 of the 51 story Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) is from the upper floors of the North towers' Westside exterior wall.
When the top section of the North tower began its' collapse, significant amounts of the upper South, West and Northside exterior walls were forcibly pushed outward, the height and momentum allowed some of the exteriors walls' heavy steel sections from the West and Northside to reach (and damage) buildings hundreds of feet from the North towers' base.
Namely, the Southside of Seven World Trade Center (7 WTC) to the North, and the Southside corner of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) to the West, with some of the North towers' upper Southside exterior wall crushing what remained standing of the Marriott hotel to the South of the North tower, after it was severly damaged, mainly by steel sections from part of the collapsing South towers' Westside exterior wall.
If the South tower started its collapse more "straight down" like the North tower, there would have probably been significant amounts of steel sections from its' Westside exterior wall embedded in the facade of Two World Financial Center (2 WFC) and/or Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) also. The top "block" of the South tower, however, started (and continued) its' collapse Eastward toward Church Street, with the majority of steel sections from the South towers' Eastside exterior wall reaching all the way to Church Street.
The furthest any of the steel section from the South towers' Westside exterior wall made it toward Two World Financial Center (2 WFC) was only halfway across West Street (Westside Highway,) where 9/11 victim/photographer Bill Biggart -- only minutes prior to his death on West Street from being crushed by debris during the collapse of the North tower -- photographed a few steel sections from the South towers' Westside exterior wall sticking up in the middle of West Street, embedded in the ground in front of the severly damaged Marriott hotel.
In the following video of the North towers' collapse, from 0:09 to 0:14, you see a section of (high) upper Westside exterior wall begin its forcible height/momentum collapse toward and into the general area of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) that the 600,000 pound exterior wall steel section was embedded.
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The following three satellite images show steel sections from the North towers' Westside exterior wall piled up at the World Financial Center Winter Gardens' West Street entrance. The red arrow in the one image is pointed at the 600,000 pound steel section embedded in the facade at floor 19 of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC). The two non-satellite images show: 1) View from above the Winter Garden: looking toward the ground in the direction of West Street at the large pile of steel sections from the North towers' Westside exterior wall piled up at the World Financial Center Winter Gardens' West Street entrance. 2) Inside the West Street entrance of the Winter Garden: steel section (and other steel debris) at the bottom of the marble stairs.
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So is it surprising to see one small steel section from the North towers' Westside exterior wall embedded in the facade of the Three World Financial Center (3 WFC), only 1/3 of the way up? No.
And other steel section(s) from the North towers' Westside exterior wall -- maybe originally attached to the embedded section (at floor 19,) at time of impact with Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) -- crushed a significant portion of the corner of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) only 10 stories below the embedded section (Second & third image.) Fourth image shows temporary supports (blue) holding up damaged support columns at the World Financial Center Winter Gardens' West Street entrance, which is obviously the area that the steel section inside the Winter Garden at the bottom of the marble stairs, smashed through.
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You can't forget how tall the towers were compared to Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) -- twice the height. Couple that with the extreme weight and force of the top of the North tower smashing down on the lower floors and walls; exterior walls very forcibly being pushed outward with LOTS of momentum and height, allowing them to reach a significant distance, even with the weight of the steel.
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A few hundred feet may seem far, but it isn't like the steel section that was embedded in Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) was embedded in the top of the building or something. It tore into the facade at floor 25 and came to rest at floor 19 -- less than half the height of the 51 story Three World Financial Center (3 WFC), and less than a quarter the height of the North towers' main above ground structure, not including the antenna.
The steel sections from the North towers' Westside exterior wall reached virtually the same distance as the South towers' Eastside exterior wall, when the top tilted and collapsed Eastward all the way to Church Street. Same distance, virtually the same tower height. The South towers' top had more momentum, because it was a lot heavier of a "chunk."
The amount of steel sections from the North towers' Westside exterior wall that collapsed toward Three World Financial Center (3 WFC), weighed much less. So, even though they were sent flying with tremendous force from the North towers' top section smashing down, they required less force to feed their momentum because they were less weight. Also, they fell from a higher collapse start point.
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I uploaded the following video clip of the South towers' collapse, filmed from Church Street looking south-west. You can see the top of the South tower collapse to Church Street. It doesn't -- as some people promote -- explode in mid-air and/or straighten itself back toward the Westside, collapsing straight down into the towers' footprint.
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I can't find it, but somewhere on the Internet is a better angle, filmed from Church Street, a bit further North. It shows a much steadier, fuller view of the South tower collapsing to Church Street. If anyone knows where it is, please post it. I looked and looked and looked, but couldn't find it.
In the first following image, the green arrows (and circle) represent the vantage point and line of sight of the better video that I can't find. The second image shows the debris field from the South towers' Eastside exterior wall (and more of the top of the tower) stretching all the way to Church Street.
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The following images are of the Marriott hotel, at the Westside base of the South tower. The first image is shortly before the North tower collapsed. It shows the Marriott severely damaged from the collapse of the South tower, and a few large sections of the South towers' Westside exterior wall that made it as far as the center of West Street. They might have made it further toward Two World Financial Center (2 WFC), but most of the South tower collapsed (sending its' momentum) East and East-south. The second image is the last picture that the photographer Bill Biggart ever took. It shows a close-up, more visible view of the first image. It was timestamped 10:28am, moments before the collapse of the North tower. Even without a lot of momentum during the South towers' collapse, as the majority of the tower collapsed in the opposite direction, large steel sections of the South towers' Westside exterior wall still collapsed half way across West Street and embedded themselves into the ground.
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Bill Biggart, as you read above, was killed on West Street from being crushed by debris during the collapse of the North tower. The incredible photograph's are surely important and appreciated, Bill! R.I.P.
The following images show all that was left of the Marriott after the collapse of the North tower. The Marriott is outlined with a green box.
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In sum, the steel section in the facade at floor 19 of Three World Financial Center (3 WFC) got there by collapsing from high up on the North towers' Westside exterior wall, height working to its' advantage, and LOTS of momentum from the tremendous weight and pressure of the top section of the North tower smashing down and forcibly pushing it Westward.
'Real Truther,' I suggest not printing any more copy's of your poster. Because it isn't correct. It isn't any evidence. It isn't any smoking gun.
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The - Ø®£Z - watermark on many of the high-resolution images is to deter any would-be disinfo peddlers and the like from taking the images and using them to promote some nonsense. The pictures are not mine. I only put the watermark there as a deterent.
I am going to sleep now. Goodnight.
"I uploaded the following
"I uploaded the following video clip of the South towers' collapse, filmed from Church Street looking south-west. You can see the top of the South tower collapse to Church Street. It doesn't -- as some people promote -- explode in mid-air and/or straighten itself back toward the Westside, collapsing straight down into the towers' footprint."
I watched the video. This view does not show the top exploding--but I have seen it in other footage. What this footage does show, however, is a cascading wave of explosions down the sides of the building, and yes, with cascading chunks from the top. It is not a classic CD, but it IS a demolition.
You reference momentum, but you don't say where this momentum came from. It cannot be the "weight' of the builds just falling--unless they fell OVER, through air, on their sides. To account for the observed momentum there must have been a mechanism for total, simultaneous structural failure throughout the buildings. And the mechanism that fits the facts BEST are explosions.
Real Truther, we may have our issues, but keep those posters printing, mate.