Your post got me thinking. I do usually use controlled demoltion when I talk to people, because it is the most concrete evidence (and very scientifically sound) - but I try to throw in the war games, and Norman Mineta as well to illuminate some of the circumstantial evidence.

It's just such a complicated topic. We as a movement should work on a concise, yet all encompassing way to engage the public with all the key areas - just enough to get them hooked.

It certainly isn't easy. The more we get together and talk about it, the more we can learn from each other. That is, as long as we are willing to listen.

Jesse

I think part of why they made the demolitions so obvious, was so that it would make us "forget" about the family members. Serving as a huge wedge issue between us two groups.

When we can unite both groups and ideas - that is when we will win.

Look at the Bush family history!! Look at Marvin and Securacom!! Look at Jeb and stolen elections!! Dubya WAS NOT some fucking pawn in this thing. YES there are others behind him calling the shots, but the whole Bush family is up to their necks in complicity!!

Why does Tarpley try to argue that Bush is innocent, and that peak oil is fake? Sounds like things an Exxon employee would say!!!

Sorry. I think Webster has done a lot of good, but trying to take ANY heat off Bush is ludicrous, and the peak oil debate DOES NOT need to be attached to 9/11 Truth.

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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

It is an error to claim Angel is next is BS cause......it happened. It was confirmed by Dick cheney, New York Times, Richard Clarke, Condi Rice, Israeli Intelligence (who tried to pin it on iraq) and more.....Why not try and back up a statement instead of name calling. Some of these figures have even tried to back track once people started asking questions about a mole in Defense Dept. So no...it's not BS....Another funny thing is you trying to accuse Tarpley of pulling punches towards Bush. This is almost comical cause Tarpley is the guru of exposing the Bush Dynasty. Ever read any of his books?? Even Synthetic Terror has very serious criminal implications for Bush and 9/11. But come on....Bush's family has always been willing tools and schill's. There are not all intelligent, but are willing to take part in the larger continuity of criminality. Webster Tarpley is a historian and an expert on many subjects. When he references peak oil., he is discussing Dutch Royal Shell documents that are common knowledge(artificial scarcity etc.) Tarpley exposes oil company fraud regularly. Perhaps you have only been exposed to a small portion of his work. From what I have seen, Tarpley backs up his statements and is a true historian. You can't just call him BS.....Sounds like things a FAUX news employee would say.

Peace

http://www.thesonsofliberty.us

"It was confirmed by Dick cheney, New York Times, Richard Clarke, Condi Rice, Israeli Intelligence..."

they're all masters of mass deception, kdub. what's your point?
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that a lot of stuff was being made up as they went along. I think "Angel is Next" may have been floated as a story to explain Bush's movements, but then scrapped. (I put Silverstein's "pull it" phone call into this category as well -- evidently it seemed like a good idea at the time to admit to demolishing 7, but later on, not so much.) I also think it may really have happened -- Tarpley's scenario hangs together quite well.

i like you, casseia. you make a lot of sense. i'm still waiting for the feds to beat the shit out of me. where are you losers? can't you sense the grip is slipping? hurry up, time's a wasting......................
everybody...empty your pockets of all loose change...cameras ready...this is the final cut. we don't accept funds from assholes around here.
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for the quote. It would have to be authenticated, and even then, it wouldn't necessarily be significant. And it by no means absolves GWB or any of his kin from criminal guilt. There is plenty of evidence on these people, and I don't want to see the movement getting conned into letting ANY of the culprits off the hook.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

And as already mentioned, those sources you quote are far from credible. My worry is that many people seem to be jumping to the conclusion that this ALLEGED statement somehow absolves GWB of guilt. That is ludicrous.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

I agree with both Jon and pagan on this one. Both approaches are valuable, but the pulverization of the Towers was and is the central image of the whole day. Many people remember enough from science classes that they can fairly quickly grasp the impossibility of the top fifteen floors of the North Tower crashing through the lower 90 floors at free-fall speed.

Also, sometimes the longer we spend with 9/11 information, the harder it can be for us to remember the main hooks for beginners--WTC 7, no planes, Bush and the Secret Service, events at the Pentagon, etc.

I have found that a good approach for many beginners is quietly presenting them with a simple series of weird anomalies--the passport found in NYC (an obvious plant), Atta's suitcase, the very quick confiscation of the Pentagon gas-station videos, the disappearance of flight 93, the intact windows in WTC 7 and the Towers up until the very onset of collapse (this shows that the fires were not hot enough to weaken the steel), plus the ones mentioned just above.

It seems that many people simply have not looked at the evidence, so it is our job to provide some interesting details that will make them want to dig deeper.

I believe that it is also helpful to get out of the way as soon as someone becomes really interested. Almost all people enjoy ideas more if they believe that it is "theirs" or that they "discovered" it on their own. Best to provide appropriate hooks tailored to our audience, and then let them do their own research with just an occasional "follow-up" session if we notice them getting too lazy.
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Limiting our message as a "limited hangout."

Thats a bunch of bullshit. If a blog like this gets voted 1's theres definate dis-info'ing going on.

Keep posting blogs Jon, its clear what THEY are doing. Your blogs are very welcomed site to read.

People need to read the content of important info posted in such blogs. Dont let them discourage you Jon, it only hurts the rest of us if they silence you or anyone else.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

i voted it down because its so typical coming from you. no offense, but it just sounds like sour grapes again. and i say this as someone who promotes EVERYTHING except tv-fakery and DEW.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

That almost every 9/11 conference does not revolve around Prof. Jones and/or Controlled Demolition, that almost every member of this movement that has managed to get on the television has not promoted CD, that 95% of all the posts on 911Blogger.com don't have something to do with CD, that most people that manage to confront our elected officials don't do so with "WTC7", that most people that manage to get interviewed by newspapers don't mention Controlled Demolition? You're right. I do have sour grapes because the direction of this movement has been controlled from outside and within.

no, that actually wasnt my point. i just responded to you saying that people would vote it down because they want the movement to be only about CD. thats not true in my case and i voted you down because ive heard this from you and John way too many times. that if we would just talk about what you want us to talk about the media would somehow start reporting those things. should Steven Jones just take his ball and go home? because there are still developments on the issue of CD, this would also explain why you hear so much about it from within the movement, new evidence keeps coming. that said, i agree, it would be nice if the people who confronted elected officials about 9/11 could mix it up a bit more and get more specific when needed and if members of the movement who got on tv would talk about more than CD. but you have to remember the setting, 3 minutes of abuse at the hands of Hannity isnt exactly the best enviroment to lay out a full understanding of 9/11. in that setting you have to take what you can get and unfortunately that isnt much.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Where would you like it to go, Jon? I think the goal is to wake as many people as possible in the shortest time possible.

CD is the elephant in the room. The images of the destruction are what is burned into people's minds, and the evidence for controlled demo is irrefutable.

Yes, there are other important elements that will resonate with some people more than the demoliitons. But a picture is worth a thousand words, remember? So much information is contained in those videos of the collapse sequences, that just asking people to re-examine what they think they saw becomes a very powerful technique.

The movement SHOULD be controlled from within to a degree. We need direction, focus, and strategy. We just need to make sure WE'RE controlling it, and not the spooks.

Everyone just disseminte the information you are the most comfortable with explaining to people. There are millions of us. It will all get out there.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Although I don't agree with your goal. Absolute truth, absolute accountability, absolute justice, and finally, closure. Unless you're referring to short term goals. There is most certainly a difference. Recently, our goal was to get 15,000 signatures for the families. Another goal is to get $5k for the first responders. Another goal is making the Vancouver conference a success. That particular list goes on and on.

I would go even further and say that we need to restructure our whole system of government, and our whole economy to make sure that this doesn't happen again. I think the ultimate goal would be a full blown cultural renaissance. But first, Wakey-Wakey!!!
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Controlled Demolition is not the elephant in the room that everyone wants to avoid any real discussion about. The elephant in the room concerns research into the parties who orchestrated and set up the controlled demolition with the authority of the NY/NJ Port Authority and foreign agents working out of New Jersey.

For the uninitiated, CD is the elephant in the room. For those of us within the movement, yes, it may be the Mossad angle. (That is what you are referring to, right?) Still, Zionists are only one of the parties. We shouldn't get tunnel vision. Look past 9/11. In case you hadn't noticed, there is a bit of a world take-over thing going on right now. It's not all because of Israel.

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine