They are a vital key to this movement. Whether you believe they have been compromised or not, it doesnt change their message. The truth is a strong componant of everyones life. They support Truth and spreading the truth. There can not be a more strongr and noble cause.

hmmm explain? you mean 9/11 truth depends on them? I'm confused.

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no, he probably means that LC played a huge role in waking up scores of people, despite it being "hardcore disinfo" to some. i could be wrong though.....

hahaha, i dont know if thats jealousy or genuine but what do you have against ATV's and bong hits? hahaha. you some kind of puritan? or are you a super -christian like John Conner? say no to drugs right wolf!!!

or do you really think John Conner aka Mark Dice is a super Christian? I'm sorry to even have to ask, because I realize some people probably think he's extremely credible, but....

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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

no, he just plays one on the internet,haha. i dont know if he really believes the religious crap he talks about, my guess would be no but it hardly matters to me. who thinks hes extremely credible? is it possible to promote his guerrila videos etc. and not think hes fully credible? or should 911blogger.com and others completely ignore everything he does because of his crackpot views on religion(genuine or not. again, why does it matter?)? if we start to micromanage everyone that contributes anything to 9/11 truth where does that leave us? shall we analyze your religious views now?

and when i say micromanaging i mean things like questioning if his religious views are genuine, not asking about funding of a documentary etc.

Some people, like Real Truther seems to be, are control freaks-- they alway have an answer, and use their intellect to run circles around concepts, and put people down for their less than perfect understanding. This is how they get validation in the world.
Usually this is a cover for some emotional insecurity. Just because someone has a strong intellect doesn't necessarily mean they have their life together. You can sense this in RT's posts--this is an individual who is venting his personal anger by judgeing others as inferior.
JUDGE NOT!

You certainly seem to have some strong opinions and in-depth analysis about RT. You just happen to be talking out of your ass. Where is RT judging others as inferior? Where is he asking to be validated? There's a lot of that on this board, but I don't see it coming from RT. He has reasonable, unpopular questions to ask and is secure enough to ask them, even though people like you then come along to pour on the hate.

fyi, i didnt vote you down.

i would be a hypocrite if i didnt call you on this buddy. now YOU are coming on way too strong with the accusations and assumptions there. i understand where you are coming from, really i do but you cant just go and do an amateur psycho-analysis on the guy based on some comments from a website. i dont know RT personally but i have been around him on this site for quite some time now and can only give you my personal opinion which is RT seems to be an honorable and honest person with very strong opinions from what i can tell. and im not just saying that because i tend to agree with about 90% of what he says while STRONGLY disagreeing with the other 10%(thats what happens when 2 strong-willed and highly opinionated people interact,haha) i think your first post made a great point though and its something that i have yet to see RT acknowledge while endlessly questioning motives which is what good LC has ALREADY done for spreading awareness about the absurdity of the official story. but thats a different argument for a different thread......

Let's not start another flame war on the front page. This is a well written PR piece by Loose Change. Good job on that.

Although I do not agree with many of the things in Loose Change 2, I think it's wrong to suggest that they are doing things to hurt the movement intentionally. For goodness' sake, they got David Ray Griffin to fact check their movie! This should make it obvious whose side they’re on, and suggestions to the contrary seem like just sour grapes to me. People can make mistakes without being state-sponsored disinformation—and I’m saying this as someone who disagrees with a lot of what is said in loose change 2. Support the movement, and stop with the unnecessary negativity. No one is saying don't criticize them and others on this site--just do it in a civil manner. Although I may disagree with some of RT's points I don't agree with the way certain people have criticized him on the front page. Disagree in a polite manner so we don't have another flame war. People who are infighting on the front page can make everyone in the movement look bad.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Judy Wood is supposedly an academic. The members of loose change are young, 20 year old, non-academics. In DRG's case, I have never asserted that he is promoting deliberately misleading arguments intentionally. In the case of Wood, I usually try to avoid this issue as well by spending most of my energy showing why her arguments are misleading. In any case, I doubt you will find many people who believe that Wood is more reliable than LC.

Good point - she's an academic.

Maybe Loose Change is much better now. All I remember is the gold heist theory. Overall they did a good job, particularly given their age and resources. [I watched it again and really like it -- the gold heist really stuck negatively in my mind, but the movie is really well done.] I agree with Real Truther below on the great thing Loose Change did in its time -- maybe they'll do it again. I don't see anything wrong with questioning them.

I'm not saying DRG is promoting misleading arguments intentionally. I'm saying he is promoting inconsistent arguments, and that this is inherently misleading..

is, unfortunately for your argument, not all that uncommon. :) I agree of course--I showed my dad Loose Change but would never make him sit through anything by Judy Wood.

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Why is this shill still here? Still pushing "no planes hit the WTC" disinfo "Ningen"?

Putting in a half-way decent argument for CD over there at Kos. Yet you often seem rather shill-ish around here. I wonder about you...

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Spending my time at Kos arguing this community's consensus opinion was just part of my insidious plan to gain trust here. My arguments were only half decent because I didn't really want to convince them.

Snark out. Who are you and DLBS to be questioning my motives? You've been here two weeks, and might want to read before making accusations. My operating presumption is that anyone who accuses someone else of being a shill is likely a shill sowing division, or might as well be. It serves no purpose.

The denial runs as deep here as at DailyKos. The arguments I hear in support of NIST's work on the planes are as ridiculous as the arguments I hear at Kos in support of NIST's "collapse" theory.

CD was proven, and fought vigorously in this movement, long before the Scholars for 9/11 Division arrived on the scene, by Jeff King, who was accused by DLBS of being a shill.

Stick around by all means and try and blend in with the rest of us, your disinfo m.o. is transparent to me. You’re trying to mix “no planes hit the Twin Towers” absurdity with deliberately agreeable comments, very see-through and I hope no ones falling for it anymore.

YOU come here and post "no planes hit the WTC" GARBAGE and you expect not to be rejected? And then you draw completely false and desperate comparisons to Dailykos in an attempt to plead for sympathy? This individual is a DISINFO CHARLATAN, the sooner “Disinfo in the Info Age” comes out and blasts this shit for good the better. GET OFF THIS SITE YOU DESPICABLE SHILL!

theres really people who believe no planes hit the wtc? wow.

i guess it takes all kinds. you know THATS going to give us more credibility. people certainly prefer wild speculation over balanced logic.

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Ningen - I worked in Manhattan at that time, 8th Avenue and 15th Street. As part of a merger, I later moved my offices to 65 Broadway, three blocks south of the South Tower. All the employees who worked there, along with thousands of workers in the surrounding buildings were all in the streets and looking up when the second plane struck WTC 2. How can anyone believe that the planes were some sort of holographic fake? Did all these witnesses lie to me, or were they victims of some mass hallucination?

If you lived and worked in NYC, it wasn't all about what was being broadcast. I'm sorry, but the "No Planes" idea seems insane to me.