what also stands out to me, aside from all of the evidence, is how the media reacted that day(and in the weeks after) and how they seemed to be trying so hard to push the "bad weather" angle.(the weather was fine,there was no danger of icing etc.) i HIGHLY suggest you read Fetzer's book on the subject as i cant really do it justice. i know Fetzer is highly suspect around these parts but this really is a great book and is the main reason im so pained by his behavior as of late. im not somebody who sees a conspiracy around every corner but the Wellstone crash was no accident in my opinion. i would just try to explain to your aunt how its all connected. if you think that Wellstone was murdered and that 9/11 was an inside job, how hard is it to see that the same group is responsible for both? both events helped to make the war in Iraq a reality. of course then you would have to throw in the Anthrax attacks. all connected. so yes, "they"(those darn conspiracy theorists) say that Wellstones death is a conspiracy because there is ample reason to believe it is. this in no way means that Coleman had anything to do with the hit. this just means that the perps knew that he would be no Wellstone. Wellstone was a major threat to the war machine (and in a crucial position). Coleman not so much. i dont think he was involved for one minute though so your aunt cant rest easy,haha. but yeah, the way you can help her understand these things is to show her how they are all connected. seriously though casseia, i completely understand the way you feel about Fetzer now, but read his book on the Wellstone hit, its a great read.

and again, i dont see a conspiracy around every corner but Mel Carnahan's plane crash should be looked at too. Ashcroft lost his senate race to his widow though, so that was poetic justice. i havent done any research on that crash though. not a lot of info available.

all the pancake talk always makes me hungry too.

What I've observed from my time among the natives at the Screw Loose tribe are two major tendencies among debunks:

1: ridged linear left-brained sequential thinking
2: an almost pathological fear of being wrong about anything.

The combination of these traits results in something akin to autism reguarding ANY question whatsoever of the OT. Their self esteem is intertwined and over-invested in not only ridged logical thinking, but also in always being right. Somewhere along the line they learned if they are EVER wrong they are somehow bad people.

I will not mock this aspect of debunks. There is NO excuse for putting a child into a state of constantly being terrorified or feeling out of control. This is how one learns being "wrong" is BAD; one does not acquire this desparate need to be right AT ALL COSTS(your survival is at stake) without ALOT of help.

Also, the rigid logic they practice, ironically, can result in good logic that, nonetheless, leads to a wrong conclusion. Logic is a fine disapline, but, much like computers, the quality of the results depend on the quality of inputs. And some things CANNOT be solved by logic alone--and this is where the adult-child debunk comes off as autisic.

It's sad, but there will be a core of these people who, even if Bush & Co. were convicted, could NEVER allow themselves to admit they were wrong AND they should have known better. Because that would be admitting they ARE NOT perfect and that would mean they were weak and BAD. What they're missing is, that if they are wrong now, and don't do something, whatever their fears are, NOT DOING ANYTHING will only make the situation worse. No one likes to go through the fire--but if that's the only way, then you speed up and run through it.

As a side note, I do not include James Bennet or Patrick Curley in the above. They have demonstrated themselves to be more sophisticated and subtle than the regular debunks. My personal belief is Screw Loose is being run as a disinfo op aimed at debunks, giving them a place to feel the camaraderie of their "superior intellects". That has the result of reinforceing the debunk "base"--these people can be relied on to fight the "twoof" when everyone else has moved far enough past their emotional trama on 9/11 to now be doing a collective "hang about--that doesn't add up!"

Well, that's me. And part of why I try to keep my "trolling" friendly at Screw Loose--unless I'm REALLY provoked.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

to plug this study -- it's old news, yes, but isn't it ever so relevant?
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