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Steve Jones vs Jim Fetzer
I just read that Fetzer has kicked out Steven Jones for censoring Rick Siegel. What I thought was particularly interesting was that he described this move as "temporary" until a
more formal structure for the Scholars can be implemented.
The fact that I could do such a thing as founder of Scholars, however, no doubt qualifies as another reason for the need for the society to incorporate and attain more formal structure.
That's straight from the horse's mouth.
I would ask why Fetzer decided to excercise this authority when he himself admits that his authority is illegitimate, but it's really a moot point.
The Scholars Group has imploded. I think it's time to take a good hard look at what's been going on in the name of Truth, and to reappraise the situation. Do we want to create a mini-industry with a star system? What are our larger policitical goals? Wehere should we be focussing our energies? Frankly I think we ought to be pushing for impeachment and for a new investigation as part of those proceedings. I also think the evidence of foreknowlege, the war games, and NORAD's lying to the commission ought to be front and center.
Anyway we can say goodbye to the Scholars, or at least to the Scholars as the center piece for the "Truth Movement."
Angry because somebody
Angry because somebody doesn't like your space beams?
I'm sick and tired of this crap. I'm glad Fetzer kicked him out, because now we can separate the real intellectuals from the compromised nutjobs.
steven jones was kicked out,
steven jones was kicked out, perhaps you misread?
Who is spreading this disinformation?
Steven Jones was not kicked out. Who told you he was?
If this is a rumor Jones is spreading, it is yet another piece of data. Now, "let's use the scientific method." I'll let the few non-trolls left here to come to your own conclusion.
Me? Oh, I'm clearly a
Me? Oh, I'm clearly a limited hangout shill for the Easter Bunny Death Cult and their nefarious laser beams/mini-nukes. I'm actually in hiding in Europe with Barbara Olson and we're dying eggs right now.
Bah-ha-ha-ha!
"When Steve was nudged into
"When Steve was nudged into "early retirement", I invited him to supervise our members’ forum as well as continue to co-edit the society’s journal, which he co-founded with Judy Wood as co-editor. I had become aware of his strenuous objections to having "star wars beam weapons" hypotheses mentioned on our home page. (Judy’s use of "star wars" was a subtle intimation of its probable origins, but Steve has used "space beams" in order to denigrate it!) But I was acutely distressed when members of the forum were cut off from access to the forum abruptly and without notice.
It is the case that policies are in place for conduct on the forum, which members have been known to violate. In this case, however, the members who were banned–one of whom , Rick Siegel of "9/11 Eyewitness" and "9/11 Eyewitness — Hoboken", was in the middle of posting criticism of Steve when he was cut off in mid-post–appeared to me to have been denied access on political grounds, which is completely unacceptable.
For this reason and other actions and communications between us, I have temporarily removed Steve Jones as Co-Chair of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. I took this action because I had concluded that Steve’s conduct was undermining the objectives of the society, as the policies of the society state:
"Membership is a privilege, not a right. Should either of the chairs conclude that an individual's participation tends to undermine the objectives of the society, that person's membership may be suspended and she may no longer access the forum or be identified with Scholars of 9/11 Truth." The fact that I could do such a thing as founder of Scholars, however, no doubt qualifies as another reason for the need for the society to incorporate and attain more formal structure. I took this step to correct what I perceived to be improper conduct in the management of the forum, but others may view what I have done as improper conduct in the management of the society! Having a board of directors to supervise both should resolve such conflicts."
Looks like The members of the forum were getting tired of the personal attacks of Rick Siegel against Prof. Jones (was going on for about 2 months now?) and finally disciplined him. And now Fetzer retaliates by using the website to put forward HIS version of events.
steven jones was kicked out
Perhaps YOU misread, because
Perhaps YOU misread, because you replied to the wrong post before.
Fetzer, you are an egotistical jerk off with ZERO common sense. You will be held accountable, scumbag.
I misread nothing, you are
I misread nothing, you are implying I interperted Rick Siegel having his forum access temporarily suspended as being kicked out.
Pathological liars the whole lot of you.
Jones was NOT kicked out. He resigned!
Yes, Steven Jones resigned from Scholars for 9/11 "truth"
Jones
"Membership is a privilege, not a right. Should either of the chairs conclude that an individual's participation tends to undermine the objectives of the society, that person's membership may be suspended and she may no longer access the forum or be identified with Scholars of 9/11 Truth."
Since Jones is one of the chairs, doesn't this mean that he could just kick out Fetzer on the same basis? It seems to me then that Fetzer is simply just counting on the fact that Jones is not as big of an power mad arrogant jerk as he is. Which is probably a correct assumption admittedly.
Seems I wont be refering
Seems I wont be refering ST911 to anyone anymore...
wtc7.net is way more
wtc7.net is way more organized...
Sounds to me like more
Sounds to me like more political bullshit.
Employee -> I quit
Employer -> No, you're fired
"I don't doubt for a second
"I don't doubt for a second that experimental destructive technology has been used recently, but not in New York. I suspect it has been used in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Lebanon, where lots of weird effects have been observed after Anglo/American/Israeli offensive actions."
A 911 member who has been attacking me over 'space beams'(sic)
I will not name him but you can find it on another thread.
what is your point exactly
No doubt all kinds of new weapons are constantly being developed. The problem with you and people like you is that you inject that issue where it does not belong. It's the same as "mini-nukes". Of course they exist. But there is little if any reason to believe they were either needed or used in the demolition of the world trade center. Moreover your promoting the work of Judy Jetson shows what a low regard you have for the intelligence of the people you are trying to manipulate. Anyone who has waded through the broken links and pop-up ads on Judy Jetson's page can see that she uses the same tactics as noplaners--grainy lo-res video that she claims shows something it most certainly does not, as anyone with access to the available hi-res versions can attest to.
Here's a tip, shill--log in with yet another name (a "real" one of course, you people seem to think that makes you more credible) and try a different approach. We'll call you out on it but at least you can tell your employers that you're trying. They must be losing patience with all these inept hired and volunteer shills they have to work with.
The more you all try, the more obvious your tactics become. See, you all have gotten this far by lying to the ignorant and hiding facts from the less ignorant. As you lose the ability to do the latter, you rely more and more on the former. Do you see the problem here? It's plain to see that the average person when they get over the shock are able to begin thinking quite rationally about things, and there is no demographic that is not coming around.
Especially troublesome for you must be that firefighters and other first responders are beginning to learn the truth. It stands to reason that they would have taken the longest--we certainly don't hold it against them, since they were the most directly affected. What this means though is that once the buzz makes it around their circles it really will be over for the perps. Why? Because what are the media going to do about firefighters demanding the truth? Call them loonies? Yeah right.
Our goal as truthers has been to get the word out to as many people as possible, knowing that at some point (which we most likely passed a while back) awareness would reach a critical mass point from which there would be no turning back, because of how patently obvious the facts are once people are finally exposed to them and learn to separate BS from the truth. All your efforts now are doomed not just to fail in containing the groundswell of truth, but also to identify you as part of the conspiracy and coverup.
As your shill-associates recognize the danger of persisting in promoting lies, we will begin to outnumber you. I have already noticed the much lower number of confrontations I'm subjected to when truthing it up in public. For three hours (and 40 DVDs) yesterday, only one pair of young teens had anything negative to say, and their only act was to take a DVD, write "bullshit" on it and walk away. Whoa, look out Popular Mechanics, you've got some competition, and they at least are succinct!
One of the biggest problems that we have yet to tackle as truthers is the problem people have even imagining what will happen when these truths are known. That's a simple failure of imagination. What will happen is that many people will be quietly resigning their positions in a build up to a series of huge demonstrations demanding impeachment and criminal trials for a few people. There will be bullshit backtracking by many politicians as is to be expected, and Americans will likely forgive most of them as long as they vigorously pursue the very guilty.
In other words, our country will not implode like building 7. It will not be torn asunder like the twin towers. And unlike the Pentagon, our country WILL finally know what hit it. And it will hit back. Not with the irrational and wicked methods of the current regime, but with an astounding awakening of consciousness that will propel the American public back into the ranks respected world citizens.
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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero
WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
If I only had a plane...if only I had a plane...
Reality check for the tragically misinformed:
Flights 11 and 77 did not exist on 9/11:
http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Eholmgren/1177.html
Flights 93 and 175 did not crash on 9/11:
http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Eholmgren/aircraftregistry.html
Oops.
Who shills for the hoaxes of the mainstream media ?
Sad but true
Good bye scholars.
Fetzer is a skunk.
Google News has nothing about Scholars row
The reason we have been told to stay mum about the possible use of advanced technology at the WTC has been , we are told, that the media would make fun of the 911 Truth movement.
I have tried every combination of words - Fezter, Jones, Judy Wood, Scholars for 911 Truth, space beams, beam weapons and so on.
Not a whisper. The media don't ,it seems, want to talk about advanced tecchnology weapons any more than the 'leaders' of the 'Truth movement".
I wonder why not?
Andrew Lowe Watson- Patsy or Plant?
Andrew-
I see one of two scenarios being true:
1) You are a poor sap too blind to see he is being led by police agents
2) You are part of the latter group.
Space Beams, No Planes, Micro Nukes, No Hijackers...
I can't wait to see what the FBI comes up with next. Somebody tell Fetzer his cover is blown.
Check my record
I realise that I am not in accord with the majority view here about the value of unfettered 911 research.
I have given too much of my free time trying to save you from infiltration.
I shall do no more campaigning on this site. I am concerned for my health, as are my family. I have Parkinson's disease and my 911 activities are making the symptoms much worse at present. I am typing this with one hand.
If anyone seriously thinks i am an agent i suggest they contact any of the staff at www.nineeleven.co.uk . Ask Ian Crane, Ian neal, Xmasdale , Andrew johnson or David Shayler and Annie Machon - oh I forget you think he is a plant too. Really this is pathetic.
Before going I should like to thank all those who have shown kindness and courtesy to me since i started posting in March . You know who you are.
Bless you all. and may truth prevail!
To the rest of you, I say this: you are descending into a dark spiral of deception and lies from which you will find it hard to return. As our wise and much-maligned Queen Elizabeth the Second is reputed to have said, "There are dark forces at work of which we know very little''. As you gather I am not a 'liberal' but a political centre-right 'Pink Tory'. I detest the Bush administration and also the present UK politburo.
You will get the truth movement you deserve. I can do no more.
Bye, Andrew Low Wattage!
Oh, and sorry to hear about your health. It seems that everyone who leaves this site in disgust after outing themselves as a shill has to bring up their poor health. A great tactic. What's next, an HIV positive noplaner? And yes, David Shayler is quite an obvious shill. What was it he was harping about with his girlfriend the other day--aliens? Good riddance to you all.
Now if you pull an [NAME CENSORED] and come back again and again after saying you're leaving you will be a very unoriginal shill. This goes for every other shill who leaves--when you return you MUST USE A DIFFERENT NAME. And it's not fair to lift it from a V1A6RA spam message--it has to be your own idea of a common but not too common, trustworthy sounding name.
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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero
WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
Stop it with that. There is
these two? which two?
I'm talking about Andrew Lloyd Weber and [NAME CENSORED] both being shills by pretending to be part of the movement and being dishonest. I'm not sure who you're sticking up for here. I'm talking about shills who have proven dishonest and I don't intend to go through all the reasons again. I have a lot more important truth work to do than to beat a dead horse.
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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero
WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
I have a lot more important
It appears
You are in the business of smearing people’s reputations actually. I wonder how many talented and dedicated members of this movement your adolescent antics have chased away?
the answer is none!
I only chase away shills who can't back up their BS and who behave in a dishonest way, for example by posting anonymously until their poor spelling gives them away at which point they make up some bull about testing people. And yes to the question below, it IS [NAME CENSORED] to whom I was referring. He has an amazing number of anonymous supporters--it's uncanny!
Here's a tip to readers--the more anonymous supporters someone has, the less you should be inclined to take them seriously!
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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero
WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force









Disinfo
Who are you to try and create problems ?
You have only been registered here for a little over 7 weeks.
None of your blogs contained pertinent information. This is at least your third with disinfo cleverly hidden in and attempting to create chaos.
I don't think you should be agitating the situation.
it is not productive.
I think we should just let the scholars work it out without our interference. They should be smart enough on their own.