>>>And those photographs of bulldozers pushing starved bodies into mass graves.-faked? They didn't have Industrial Light and Magic in those days.

The scenes of bulldozers pushing bodies are dramatically doctored scenes made by the Allies after the war. The camps where these scenes were taken were not extermination camps but experienced a massive outbreak of typhus at the war's end. The US/UK forces tried to dramatize these scenes by filming the bodies pushed by bulldozers, but once you understand that the camps where these photos were taken are not any longer claimed to have been death camps then the picture changes. One could have made films anywhere across Europe actually. People were dying of disease in huge numbers all across the continent at that time. Pretending that these films are evidence of "death factories' is pure BS. The usual sources for such films are Dachau and Bergen-Belsen, neither of which is regarded any longer by Jewish historians as having been a death camp.

>>>Unlike 911(where physical evidence has been destroyed) there is a mountain of physical evidence available from various sources in various countries, to prove there was an active program of exterminating disidents in Germany.

Actually, the same problems which arise over the WTC and its amazing collapse also arise over the claims that 4000, 6000 or even 10000 bodies were cremated daily at Auschwitz. It's not physically possible. No one has ever been able to produce evidence of a gas chamber, apart from testimonials which are always in contradiction with known scientific facts and yet are not allowed cross-examination. Instead they at most play the game of deflecting the issue the way that you did with the reference to German dissidents. Sure there was a political crackdown on all dissidents of whatever stripe in Nazi Germany, sure that calls for an independent critique in itself. It does not, however, come close to constituting evidence of a planned attempt to exterminate all Jews, allegedly resulting in six million deaths. Nor does it represent evidence of the existence of gas chambers anywhere. These are separate issues. The question of political repression in many states around the world and throughout history, Nazi Germany included, could be made the subject of a separate study all on its own. But the claims that racial extermination policies killed six million Jews are false.

>>>So, sorry, I doubt the allies would feel the NEED to torture the top Nazi's to make a case

The fact remains that they did. Rupert Butler describes how Rudolf Hoess was captured and then tortured for a confession in LEGIONS OF DEATH, pp. 235-8. The capture of Hoess was accomplished by threatening his wife that her and sons would be turned over to the Russians to be sent to Siberia. Once Hoess was captured "He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke that the blows and screams were endless... It took three days to get coherent statement out of him. But once he started talking, there was no holding him." Guantanamo-style investigations brought to you by the Nuremburg tribunal. Butler, by the way, does not indicate any disapproval for the procedure. He seems rather proud of the whole thing when writing about it. Obviously someone important felt that torture was NECESSARY to get the "evidence" for these trials.

>>>You'e trying to stress a LIHOP in the cases of the camps outside of Poland that didn't have crematoria?!

You are confusing "crematoria" with "gas chambers." The propaganda of the last several decades has frequently overlapped these two points. Crematoria are used for burning bodies. Crematoria are useful for limiting the spread of diseease during either a war or an epidemic. Crematoria are not a device for execution. Crematoria were present at all of the prison camps across Europe.

The charge aboui gas chambers is something else. It claims that gas chambers were used as a device of mass-execution at 6 of the Polish camps. No evidence supports this charge.

The camps in the west are, as I've pointed out, not even claimed to have been death camps within the official literature.

We can read Paul Berben's listing of deaths of all types from all causes in Dachau on a year-by-year basis from 1940-5:

1940 1515
1941 2576
1942 2470
1943 1100
1944 4794
1945 15384
-- Paul Berben, DACHAU: THE OFFICIAL HISTORY 1933-1945

Notice how by far the highest number of deaths occurs in just the few months of war that happened in 1945? That sharp steep rise in mortality is the result of war conditions, not "genocide."

Then there's Bergen-Belsen, another camp frequently cited as a source of ugly photographs. Raul Hilberg describes the context quite well:

"By February and March the front lines began to disintegrate. More and more soldiers surrendered, major cities were given up, labor camps and concentration camps had to be evacuated. From east to west, transports with forced laborers and camp inmates were rolling inward. Some of the railway cars were shunted to side rails and abandoned to Allied bombers."

"In Bergen-Belsen the camp administration broke down. As tens of thousands of new inmates were dumped into the camp (in the single week of April 4-13, 1945, the number was 28,000), the food supply was shut off, roll calls were stopped, and the starving inmates were left to their own devices. Typhus and diarrhea raged unchecked, corpses rotted in barracks and on dung heaps. Rats attacked living inmates, and bodies of the dead were eaten by starving prisoners."
-- Raul Hilberg, THE DESTRUCTION OF THE EUROPEAN JEWS, Volume III, Third Edition

This too is primarily a consequence of war conditions. One can, as i've already noted in a previous message, find evidence of many oppressive practices and policies carried on by the Third Reich. But there is simply no evidence of a plan to exterminate all Jews, the documents themselves generally say "evacuate." Given the declining birth rates among the world Jewish population of the last 6 decades, it is impossible to reconcile any of the population estimates made in the decades after World War II with a sudden abnormal loss of six million during 1939-45. Neither is ther any evidence to support the claims of gas chambers having been used in Poland. The showers really were just that, showers. The maximum number of bodies which could have been cremated at Auschwitz during its working lifetime is about 162000, well under the million victims frequently claimed in propaganda.

You also seem to seek a way out by falsely balancing the propaganda of World War II with other bits of propaganda. It is now well-established by Mark Tauger and others that the famine of 1931-3 in the USSR was primarily of natural origin and was not part of any plan by Stalin to commit "genocide" the Ukrainians or anyone else. There have been lots of distortions and lies in the history of the last century. The Hoaxoco$t is just one of the more prominent.