Kids are some of the most aware of 9/11 Truth--they are teaching their teachers about it. What 13 year old is going to fear "the man" or warrantless wiretaps or being sent to Gitmo? The conspirators are slowly realizing that their assumptions about their power and control over people were, um, a little optimistic? I think there will be much call for recycling services once the purge of fake history begins. For shame, evil conspirators and their cowardly and traitorous apologists! That means you, McCain! And you, Hillary! You are NOT gods, you are CRIMINALS, and we will NEVER FORGET 9.11.01

You had a chance to do the right thing. You didn't you chose... poorly. And we will not let you forget it, ever. The shame you have brought on your children and grandchildren will be a lasting stain on your family names.

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

just made drudge report

when you think about it, the holocaust has alot in common with 9/11:

-TPTB behind it weren't who we were told they were.

-The facts are dubious at best.

-Taking a rigorous look at the evidence and/or proposing revisionist theories re what really happened is even more taboo than with 9/11 at this point; it can actually get you locked up, incommunicado! Recently we heard Bush suggest that 9/11 Truthers are terrorist recruiters. Challenging the veracity of the official myth is probably soon to be outlawed, as it is with the holocaust. The truth does not need laws to protect it. Big Lies do.

-Holocaust: Qui Bono? Israel tops the list (the justification for Israel's creation).

-9/11: Qui Bono? Israel tops the list.

-The official Holocaust myth (6M Jews...), "anti-Semitism" and the "neo-nazi threat" which ADL seeks to continually puff up, is used to unite Jews against a "shadowy outside enemy" (those filthy anti-Semites under every rock who want to do you harm! booga booga!). It's an elaborate deception designed to dupe good rank and file Jews to unite behind all things Zionist, a racist imperialist genocidal agenda which good moral Jews would not otherwise support. 9/11 serves the same function for John and Jane American, cynically using deceptively manufactured fear of a shadowy outside enemy, to dupe them into supporting racist imperialist genocidal wars.

-Holocaust Revisionists are tagged with a deliberately misleading, specially engineered MEME: "Holocaust Deniers". I've occasionally heard 9/11 Revisionists, aka 9/11 Truthers, labeled 9/11 Deniers" by those shilling for the official story. And yes, the really pathetic shills even roll out the worn out "anti-Semitic" smear for 9/11 Truth Seekers, as we see in this story. Yawn.

If this kind of post is tolerated here, then "9/11 Truth" deserves all the smearing it gets.

"Please follow these basic guidelines to avoid having posts or blog entries removed:
Do not post entries that are abusive, offensive, contain profane or racist material, or resort to attacking other users."

What do you mean by "this kind of post", and which part of the post do you disagree with, assuming that's your beef?

As to your subject line, "worn out "anti-Semitic" smear "? - Hypocrite, isn't this Rep. Suder worm abusing the "anti-Semitic" smear yet again, in another totally vaccuous hit piece? Doesn't this very sort of abuse of the engineered "anti-Semitic" meme, insulting everyone's intelligence in the process, cause the eventual "wearing out" of the meme-- as has long since happened? Sort of quick to lay the "Hypocrite" smear on others, no, jfal?? Little bit of projection going on there, jfal??

jfal, don't waste your time...you are essentially dealing with Neo-Nazis who are trying to piggyback on the 9/11 truth movement.

They know if they just stood up and said they were Neo-Nazis, they could never claim "censorship" when people naturally reacted with disgust.

So instead, they look for "parallels" and call the Holocaust the "Holo-Hoax", and end up dragging the 9/11 truth movement down.

But they don't care, because their only objective is to spread smears.

Rather than debate them, just let them choke on their own vomit.

Let's spend out effort in uncovering the Bush cabal and it's 9/11 caper.

"Shalom", a self professed Zionist, busting out the very MOs which make the Zionists/NeoCons so lovable: dishonest smearing your critics as being anti-Semitic, neo-nazi, holocaust denier, hitler lover, blah blah, & projecting onto your critics the very racism & dishonesty you're so brazenly guilty of. The best defense is a good offense, eh Shalom? jfal?

It's such a patheticly worn out, transparent schtick; it's no wonder Truth Seekers are waking up and telling your types where to stick it.

Aren't you the one using smears, calling people Neo-Nazis?

That's the only content in your post, smear that is.

yes, there are many parallels. In Europe, you go to jail for having a different view on the big H or on the verdicts from the Nuremberg trials. Imagine, how cracy this is! Having a different view on an event that happend 60 years ago and you get prison time!!!

There are many exemples. Germar Rudolf, Siegfried Verbeke, David Irving and recently Robert Faurisson just got fined for something he said in Iranian media.

I can easily imagine in the future 911 dissent becoming illegal.

Don't forget Ernst Zundel,

10/6/6:
Amazing Uproar In The Zundel Thought Crime Trial

"...After all, the court intoned over and over, the Holocaust could not be anything but "self-evident" and should not, could not, and would not be put to the test!

The Holocaust happened and the Nazis, not the Zionists, were responsible for it. Posts like this one only serve to confuse the issue and to link rancid anti-semitism to those who question the official story about the attacks of September 11th.

http://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/156980...

This book seems to be pretty popular, written by a Jew, and making the case that Zionists collaborated with Hitler. This is not rancid as you call it, this is honest and fearless inquiry--exactly what 9/11 Truth is all about. To suggest that someone would go along with the official version of 9/11 because some Truthers have learned to look for truth beyond 9/11 is just silly. Anyone who would say to themselves "hmmmm, since people who question the holocaust also question 9/11, I should ignore all evidence that Muslims are innocent of the crimes" is not someone who will be doing much good for the truth movement. And that's even presupposing that it is wrong to question the holocaust in the first place, which obviously it is not unless you want to live in some kind of crimethink-free paradise.

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

Well like it or not people aren't always rational, and the fallacy of association while illogical is often effective rhetorically.

For instance, you falsely associate the question of Zionist collaborators with Holocaust denial, but those two propositions are not the same, and as far as I know Brenner is not a Holocaust denier.

1) someone who claims no Jews were killed by Nazis

2) someone who claims that there has been exaggeration of the crimes of the Nazis, however bad they were originally (i.e. no lampshades made)

If you say 1, then please name some names because I know of none who espouse that view.

If you say 2, then please use a more accurate term to describe those poeple who in fact are not denying the holocaust.

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

Don't be ridiculous.

We are certainly claiming that no Jews were killed by the Nazis IN AN EXTERMINATION PROGRAM.

There is a good definition on the holocoast.

1. Nazis used gaschambers to kill Jews.
2. The Nazis had an extermination program for Jews.
3. 6 million Jews + ( 5 million non-jews) wre exterminated in this program.

Those who like myself deny these three points are holocaust deniers.

To ask if the Nazis killed one Jew in the middle of a world war is not very relevant.

And they were all being rounded up and sent to camps, then there would seem to be a desire on the part of Nazis to, if not gas them, then work them to death, and whether you want to call that extermination or not is a semantic argument. This is my point--it's obvious that bad things were done to Jews and others by the Nazis. the question is--how many of those bad things are true, and what role if any was played by Zionists who knew they could use Nazi crimes to get their lusted-after state?

Now that pagan and shalom have joined the party we may not be able to have a reasonable discussion, but I will repeat what I said before--the stories we were told as kids about lampshades and soap made out of Jews are not true. David Cole's video seriously undermines the existence of a "gas chamber" at Auschwitz, and the giant ovens of lore may have been just that.

This is not to say that the Nazis did not mean to rid Germany of Jews, they very much seemed to have wanted to. Ironically, the Zionists had a similar vision, just tack on "and send them to Palestine to use as cannon fodder for our new state". That's why Zionists insisted on Palestine or nowhere when America and Britain both offered to take in refugees.

Were Nazis evil? Of frikkin course! Are Zionists evil? Hells yeah! Are they both fascists? Yup! Do some people prefer to call others names with no basis in reason to discussing facts? Uh HUH! Especially people who find that the facts aren't on their side.

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

Can you summarize the supposed evidence in Cole's video?

"And they were all being rounded up and sent to camps, then there would seem to be a desire on the part of Nazis to, if not gas them, then work them to death, and whether you want to call that extermination or not is a semantic argument." -Real Truther

Do your research on the issue, RT. Take a break from 9/11 stuff and read Arthur Butz's book. The only place you will find Jews being "worked to death" is in Steven Spielberg movies.

The Nazis had a large camp system-- as did the U.S. and the Soviet Union. The vast majority of the inmates were not Jews. Most of the inmates in the German camps were Russian POWs. Their labor was vitally important to the German war effort. Infectious diseases like typhus took a great toll on the camp population. There is ample evidence that the Germans did everything they could to maintain the health of the inmates. One of the measures taken was to cremate the bodies of disease victims as soon as possible, using large ovens. Some of the "Allied" (Zionist) investigators came upon these ovens after the war and an idea popped into their heads.

The effort to maintain health standards in the camps became impossible in the final months of the war as Germany was bombed incessantly under the Allies' demand for unconditional surrender. The camp systems broke down and inmates began to starve. That is the condition in which they were discovered when the occupiers rolled in. Many photographs were taken of heaps of corpses and gaunt survivors, and the Holocaust Legend was born.

That anyone in a prison camp during a war is not going to be getting out unless their captors lose. Basically prisoners for life, no? Now what I admit I don't know is how aggressively did Nazis prevent Jews from simply leaving. Obviously there was nastiness towards Jews, and that doesn't mean that it was just racial hatred, I'm sure it was in part a response to Zionist hostility towards Germany during and after WWI, at least that's what Benjamin Freedman (also Jewish) used to argue. My point is less that I know a lot, it's that I know enough to stand firmly for open debate and discussion without ridiculous taboos. So I welcome people on all sides to set the record straight, though of course a 9/11 blog is not the best place and by this point we are way off topic even for this thread!

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

Israel backed by army of cyber-soldiers

"...Israel’s Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists can place supportive messages...."

more:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,174-2289232,00.html

I checked her she is for some time with the MILWAUKEE (AP) bureau..
Scanning web for her email or contact..

AP's employeed email formats here:

http://www.photojournalism.org/ap.html