The Real Reason Only Five Detainees Are Coming to New York?
US Attorney General Eric Holder recently announced that five detainees would be moved from Guantanamo Bay to New York, where they would stand trial for carrying out the 9/11 attacks. However, five other detainees will continue to be tried before military commissions, which have lower standards of evidence. The five detainees coming to New York have previously indicated they intend to plead guilty, although the five to be tried before military commissions have not.
The New York five are:
Mustafa al-Hawsawi; and
They indicated their intention to plead guilty at a hearing in Gunatanamo on 8 December 2008.
According to this McClatchy article, the five Holder says will be tried before military commissions are:
Ibrahim al Qosi, who is trying to have incriminating statements he says were made under torture/coercion suppressed and wants to go home to Sudan;
Omar Khadr, who is fighting the charges against him. His lawyers claim most of the evidence against him is based on statements he made under coercion;
Ahmed al Darbi, who says he was tortured into confessing;
Noor Uthman Mohammed, who denied many of the charges against him; and
Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, who says he's innocent and was also tortured into confessing.
As I pointed out earlier today, there is a lot of evidence against al-Nashiri. However, based on what I know of the Khadr case, he would stand a very good chance of acquittal, unless the bar was lowered from beyond reasonable doubt to "I guess he might have done it." The other three to be tried before military commissions I don't know much about.
Is it just a coincidence that the five detainees who have indicated they intend to plead guilty are going to New York, but the ones that are fighting the charges are getting military commissions?
Originally posted here.
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Detainees to get the "state-always-wins" system of "justice"
Glenn Greenwald...
http://salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/11/13/guantanamo/inde...
Plead Guilty-=No Trial
If they plead guilty, there will be no trial, only a sentencing.
Vincit Omnia Veritas
You just know that Mukasey
You just know that Mukasey and his sweaty vampire friends are wetting their pants, worried that facts will emerge that will require focus in the US government's direction. THAT of course is why he said that "we could get hit again" the Bush and Nazi tactic, as all fascist MOs, fear a magic wand, that opens doors for them to more completely "control your pansy asses".
That's what we need to tell our people we discuss this with. They are pansy asses, denying the very dignity they once granted themselves. THEY know they have withheld that title to themselves. They have dared not go into the arena of objectivity. That is all you ever ask. We all ask our friends to make HONEST use of their objectivity. Why won't they even let you get to that part of the discussion. They won't stick around long enough to allow their own curiosity to touch them. They deny who they are. They deny their own capacity for truth assessment. Fear of being called a "nutcase (gasp) conspiracy theorist". So they pass up an opportunity, to actually look straight into the facts, that made 9-11-01 SUCH a sad day. These people are running from truth. Almost literally. My brother left my house in lightening speed when I decided to go to a 911 truth site. He seriously did NOT want to know about it. My brother is a great person, but he and I see most things political at opposites. He seemed to, more than anything else, protect his perspective.
The main reason I wanted to post is...
These men being tried, whatever they may say, if it legally can be reported, due to journalists' rightful passes t such things, lesser likely lately, well, the fact is, these men who are being tried, need to know, that whatever they may say, their fate is already predetermined. The only comfort that any one of them will have upon death will know that if they told the truth, as they already are (not guilty, tortured into saying they were) , then, knowing that, how can this, not help us? If these guys, something happened to them, before the trial, the SCREAMING suspicions in that wouldn't go unnoticed.
Rudy Giuliani Seems Quite Concerned About the new NYC 9/11 Trial
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"Anyone notice the names of the people who have come out AGAINST the KSM trial? Any NYPD detective or investigator will tell you that the recent actions and words of the Neocons is a psychology called 'criminal self identification by fearful emotional response'." (source)
Giuliani, Cheney, Rove, Mukasey.....
God forbid a fair trial
God forbid a fair trial occurs. Thank God this MF 's attempt at presidency status never went anywhere. The centuries old habeas corpus (sp?) which was a giant step out of barbarism, can't be used. A fair trial would threaten the PNACzis role.
So Guiliani...
Considers the Hassan shootings to be a terrorist attack that wouldn't have happened if Dubya was in office? Wow.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.
Have I ever mentioned
Have I ever mentioned how much I hate this scumbag?
Lets Hope for a Plea Curve Ball
What a coincidence that the 5 suspects the USG plans to prosecute in federal court have all indicated that they plan to plead guilty. Lets hope for at least a couple of curve balls on those pleas and that the 9/11 families hoping for "any" friggin transparency in this 8+ year nighmare get some closure. What a surprise it might be to get both transparency and accountability in something related to the 9/11 attacks, but I'm not holding breath on this one.
Lets not forget that in addition to the physical torture administered to some of these suspects (183 waterboards in the case of KSM alone), these suspects were also mentally tortured when psychotic USG interrogators threatened to rape and kill family and friends of these suspects. If I was told that a group of fugly Blackwater scum were going to gang rape my wife, daughters, sons, and mother, I would plead guilty in a minute. For a country that has lost so many of it's morals and values around the 9/11 attacks, I would not be surprised if the guilty verdicts were coerced in a similar manner.
Of course trial(s) would be potentially great for long awaited transparency, but even then I have my reservations on what evidence would eventually be allowed in the discovery process and other court motions and arguments. At least the neocon puppet, Michael Mukasey, is out of the Southern District of New York Court and will not be trying any of the cases. However, I would not be surprised if the case(s) were assigned to one of his like minded cronies.
Although Holder's announcement is one small step for the 9/11 families seeking truth and justice, I've been disappointed too many times over the last 8 years to get my expectations too high. Here's to hoping at least a couple suspects change their minds and plead not guilty and that they get a reasonable judge that will allow a discovery process that will finally show the truth behind the dozens of failures and unanswered questions.