Open Thread
Somebigguy Mon, 09/24/2007 - 7:08am
We have had numerous submissions regarding Ron Paul, Iran, etc that aren't really on topic, feel free to post and discuss these topics in this thread...
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We have had numerous submissions regarding Ron Paul, Iran, etc that aren't really on topic, feel free to post and discuss these topics in this thread...
Weird question, I know!
For those of you hwo are having Google Earth is it possible to see the battleships in the Persian Gulf near Iran?
I suppose they are hiding them aren't they?
Drummerboy
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You can't hide a lie for long. Truth shall come out.
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google earth is not realtime. what you see is up to a few years old.
Some images can be as recent as to/yester/day
But I don't think they tell you the age of the image you are looking at.
I suggest you go outside and paint, "9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB" in as large of letters as you can on your roof and wait and see when you can see it on Google Earth. I actually plan on doing this.
How about making some really large signs like that, in whatever way you can think to do it (preferably legally) and then letting people know when they show up on Google Earth. The best and most creative ones get a prize. (to be named later, of course)
You might even get on the news.
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
World Wind (NASA) is the
World Wind (NASA) is the closest thing to realtime you can get - i don't hink it has the resolution needed to discern ships though.
Weather data is updated every hour though...
Makes Google Earth look like toilet paper in comparison.
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The 9/11 Truth B-Team
world wind
images are also not real time.the clouds are however.
new investigation needed
new investigation needed
CNN: The war with Iran has begun
Thanks for the Open Thread.
This may be important from Prison Planet.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/230907CNN.htm
Discussion on CNN with Col. Sam Gardiner who clearly states that the war in Iran is already underway and that a second phase of overt military action will soon begin.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e4a_1189066259
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it.
"Iran was invaded 'to protect Israel' - US official"
Oops, I mean "Iraq was invaded 'to protect Israel' - US official"...
"Iraq under Saddam Hussein did not pose a threat to the United States, but it did to Israel, which is one reason why Washington invaded the Arab country, according to a speech made by a member of a top-level White House intelligence group.
Inter Press Service uncovered the remarks by Philip Zelikow, who is now the executive director of the body set up to investigate the terrorist attacks on the US in September 2001 - the 9/11 commission - in which he suggests a prime motive for the invasion just over one year ago was to eliminate a threat to Israel, a staunch US ally in the Middle East. "
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FC31Aa01.html
He's a cointelpro government paid and sponsored plant
I don't know if that's true, but I figure we needed another Fear Myth to keep our adrenaline up and our paranoia in a continuing hyper-vigilance-like state.
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
My email to 60 Minutes
To: Mr. Pelley and all responsible for the content of the 9/23 broadcast Ahmadinejad interview
Your "interview" with the Iranian president was arrogant, provocative and dangerous. It was a disgrace to CBS, 60 Minutes and the US viewing public (I say this as someone who has admired the integrity of 60 Minutes for decades).
Under Mr. Pelley's reckless interrogation the Iranian president appeared a model of rational self-control. I am not so naive as to believe that a "journalist" who has been granted such privileged access to the Bush administration as Mr. Pelley would be objective, but this was transparent propaganda.
As you must know, the IAEA has found no evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program, and as a signatory of the NPT Iran has a legal right to develop peaceful nuclear energy. As the Pentagon and its contractors (eg. Blackwater) have imported and "lost" numerous weapons in Iraq, the claims of Iranian "smuggling" are hypocritical at best.
In light of the Iraq debacle, Mr. Pelley's allegations must be regarded as the echos of a thoroughly discredited White House.
A "war of choice" with Iran would be a catastrophe for the US, Israel and the world.
If such a war follows, CBS will be among those organs of influence with "blood on its hands".
Please issue an immediate apology and do all in your power to defuse this situation.
60m@cbsnews.com
“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson
nice letter
i saw the interview and it was indeed pathetic. war with Iran is on the agenda and 60 Minutes knows this and goes right along with it. remember the hard hitting story they did on Colin Powell's testimony about Iraq WMD programs and the validity of his statements? oh wait, they never did that........
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Iran President Dude Might Be On the NWO Team
Something has a sickening fish smell here. War is good business . . . maybe this guy is on the "Lord of War Team".
I basically don't believe anything I see on CNN. Its there as part of a narrative . . part of the legend . . .
the Iran president is even
the Iran president is even more of a puppet than our presidents have been. the mullahs run that country, everyone knows it yet they continue to pretend that this guy matters. he only serves their propaganda purposes, you can be sure of that.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
I AGREE!
Very well said!
Agreed
I laughed when Ahmadinejad said the interviewer sounded more like CIA than a journalist.
Ahmadinejad is no fool. He knows how this works.
That interview was designed by the national security state to provoke Ahmadinejad into looking like some kind of tyrant, to justify the military operations already taking place inside Iran.
Disgusting.
DNA test hope over damages claims
I submitted this last week but it never got published, I thought it would be very useful information for the 9/11 first reponders who are presently sick.
Scientists say a new DNA test may help prove if people have had their health damaged by exposure to chemicals.
Samples of DNA are taken from a healthy person and exposed to the chemicals to see which genes are affected. This is then compared to the claimants' DNA.
Experts say it could have huge implications on civil cases where workers seek compensation for illnesses caused by things such as asbestos.
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6998437.stm
Cheers,
B
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"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein
Question on Ron Paul
I like a lot of what Ron Paul says, but I have a question.
Our government has been hijacked by the private military industrial complex, the politicians are mostly bought off by corporations, and the corporate media keeps a lock on open debate.
How will the Libertarian Ron Paul address this fundamental problem of corporate control of government if he believes in the free market will sort itself out without government regulation?
Uh, I think that he would probably start by...
...ordering the administrators of executive branch agencies to obey their oath (where applicable) and abide by the Constitution or face arrest and prosecution.
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
Another way to put this
Another way to put this could be: do you believe that the government controls multi-national corporations or that the multi-national corporations control government? Is the military industrial complex a function of the power of the private defense industries over the reigns of government? Is the military-medical industrial complex a function of the power of the medical and pharmaceutical corporate interests over the governmental regulatory agencies?
If it's the latter, then railing at government as the font of all problems is disingenuous. He talks about the "free market" (an Orwellian term if there ever was one) as though that is the solution to governmental malfeasance. He talks about privatizing everything so that any last vestiges of public interest oversight would disappear. Let's let Blackwater and Wackenhut and other such civic-minded players take government out of the picture and get on with it. Instead of starting from scratch to build a legitimate FDA, let's get rid of it so that Monsanto and PHARMA can supply our information through their own corporate propaganda and be the arbiters of the health and well-being of the general public. I could go on, but I'll demur. As you put it, Famster, governnment has been hijacked -- it doesn't represent a evil in and of itself.
Yes, I'm glad that he has injected the Constitution and Bill of Rights and Federal Reserve and Iraqi occupation and other HUGE issues into the public conversation. I hope he continues to use this limited bully pulpit for as long as possible. But until he starts talking about the issues surrounding the damages visited on the world through the outrageous granting of Corporate Personhood and how that has delivered us into a rogue, fascist state, I see his campaign as a Trojan Horse.
I don't understand how so many people in the so-called Patriot Movement think a 20-year veteran of Congress is going to come riding into Washington like Mr. Smith. I don't understand why they grant him a pass on 9/11 when they vicerally attack and truth-squad others for being cowards. I also don't understand why these same people, who claim to understand that primaries and elections are fixed and that men who represent true dangers to the status quo are eliminated one way or another, somehow think that Ron Paul will be able to act successfully on his campaign issues.
Perhaps people think he represents the last great hope, but they should think long and hard about the full ramifications of his platform -- and take care what they wish for.
Well said LEH. The
Well said LEH.
The Eleventh Day of Every Month
Paul is the only candidate who wants to abolish the...
central bank we have. Watching the documentary The Money Masters: how international bankers gained control of America has convinced me that central banking goes deeper to the heart of the oligarchy than 9/11.
Therefore, I am not that dismayed that his views are misguided regarding 9/11 because he wants to attack the problem even closer to the root.
Do you believe that any
Do you believe that any candidate who wants to abolish central banking will be elected, or if elected, able to do so? Are the elections controlled, or aren't they?
I'm not sure what you mean by the term "misguided" in reference to his views on 9/11. Not being provocative here, just asking.
reply to LEH:
Hey man, yeah I do think the elections are controlled.
Regarding a candidate being elected (or trying to do so if elected) who wants to abolish the FED--i think the international bankers would do everything in their power to stop it.
Paul has stated that he believes 9/11 was blowback--however, I wonder if privately thinks that 9/11 might have been a false flag terrorist attack. I say privately because he could never admit that publicly without his campaign being completely marginalized by the main stream media.
"I say privately because he
"I say privately because he could never admit that publicly without his campaign being completely marginalized by the main stream media."
and who cares if his campaign is marginalized by the MSM? in your first sentence you say you think elections are controlled. how do these 2 things square? the self-censoring of 9/11 truth around Paul's campaign and the constant pass thats given to Paul are not justifiable in my opinion, thats all my point is.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
You bring up a solid point man...
I think the answer might lie in vigilant exit polling. What do guys you think?
Also, I should qualify my statement of that the elections are controlled. I do not think the control is absolute--it is not completely corrupt. If the citizenry would take an active role in the election process I think the control would be much less.
likewise....
i dont see the control as being anywhere near absolute either but enough so to stop a guy like Ron Paul and basically make him a non-starter. your last sentence makes so much sense but dont you think that means the media is the main road block? until we have a mainstream media that truly serves the people only corrupt politicians will win the highest office. Kennedy was far from clean himself, likely stole an election himself and was part of a political dynasty and these are the reasons he got to the presidency in the first place. the only way i see things changing on a presidential level is in the form of a trojan horse like Kennedy turned out to be. he wanted to stop the Fed and stop the CIA and empower the media etc. all of this is documented. Paul is known as "Dr. No" and as a "fringe libertarian type" by the MSM already. hes just a Congressman from Texas with a "strong internet following" to them. i hate to sound so cynical all the time, but you even make the point yourself in a way. if the citizenry would take an active role in the election process the control would be much less. the only way that will ever happen is if the media is taken back and thats not going to happen anytime soon, certaintly not soon enough to give Paul a chance of winning.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Ron Paul & the Fed
Of course the banksters won't happily go along with a Ron Paul presidency and the end of the Fed. But that doesn't mean we should just give up! The Fed is more important than the 9/11 issue because without the Fed, they could not fight their wars.
"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
-Ron Paul
The FED is the engine that
The FED is the engine that allows private citizens (not US) to have control over the Government. Until it is removed, the core problem will still exist.
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The 9/11 Truth B-Team
If there are actual elections
then Dr. Paul is electable. I think the more historically accurate question would be, "will the Federal Reserve Good Shepherds allow a populist candidate who threatens their monopoly to remain upright and breathing."
If not Dr. Paul, who else?
Does anyone here think we have elections?
Dr Paul asked about 9/11 on the Pat Garmin show:
http://www.alexjonesfan58.com/mp3/20070621_afmn_patgarmin_ronpaul.mp3
Yes, we will have
Yes, we will have elections.
Or are you so filled with fear that you think "They are gonna get us" at any moment?
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The 9/11 Truth B-Team
hate to say it but lets be realistic......
Paul has ZERO chance of winning. as LEH alludes to the elections are all but rigged and set up to defeat people like Paul with "radical" ideas and next to no ties to the establishment. Paul is dead wrong about 9/11 and should be called out on it just like every other coward politician should. this double standard for the good of his campaign is ridiculous. Paul is better than any of the other Republican presidential candidates and i happen to like him if for no other reason than he isnt controlled. but come on, he has no chance of winning and thats no excuse to give him a pass on 9/11. i understand the excitement over Paul, he really does have more grassroots support than previous "fringe" candidates and the prospect of having a president who is rational about foreign policy and takes the constitution seriously is attractive. and right now he has more of a megaphone/platform than he ever has before and ever will again. Paul is using the 9/11 truth movement. its way past due we start using him back. hold Paul to a higher standard on 9/11.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Wrong
The 9/11 issue goes much deeper than simply hanging the bastards responsible. That is definitely part of our goal and Ron Paul is FOR a new investigation, but let's realize that 9/11 is a symptom of all this. We need to get to the root, cut the Federal Reserve, get the CFR out of government and stop the North America Union.
Show me another candidate that's talking about any of this and I'll take a look.
Until then, Ron Paul has the right ideas and is quickly building a huge grassroots support, despite the efforts of the mainstream media to squash him.
We can't just say "elections are fixed" and do nothing. That's equivalent to saying "governments always commit false flag terrorism, nothing we can do."
Ron Paul is not Jesus but he is a big part of the battle for freedom in this country. Saying he won't win is exactly what the MSM and elites want you to do. Don't fall for that trap.
"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
-Ron Paul
i always have this argument
i always have this argument with Paul supporters, and i hate it because i support Paul as far as presidential candidates go, but the facts and history show that he just isnt going to win. the system is broken and it wont be fixed in time for Paul to win. thats not playing into anyones hands thats just being realistic. 9/11 is the best chance we have to actually bring about real change. all these problems that you and Paul speak of are important but not as important as confronting the massive lie that is 9/11, not even close with all dues respect. exposing 9/11 actually makes possible for the things you and Paul list to take effect. expose 9/11 and people will be so angry that they will DEMAND to have their media,government and country back. and im sorry, but on helping to expose 9/11 and actually bring about another, more open and honest investigation(what has he done in COngress to this end? only talk sadly.....) Paul has failed. what am i doing about election fraud or about the corrupt unfair economic system in this country? im exposing 9/11..........
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
I respect that you are
I respect that you are helping to expose 9/11.
The 9/11 tragedy is important to changing things. However 9/11 is still a symptom. There is another massive lie called the Federal Reserve. That needs to be exposed too. There's other massive lies like the income tax, the war on terror, the war on drugs, etc. that keep our people enslaved. Those also need to be exposed.
I'm a fellow 9/11 truther so we're on the same side. One of the problems I have with ONLY focusing on 9/11 is the emotional factor. Many people are SO emotionally tied to the official story of 9/11 that they will not listen to common sense and reason. But those same people have a chance at listening to common sense and reason about all the other government lies.
If let's say we can get them to understand the federal reserve lie and the north america union. Let's say Ron Paul becomes president. At that point it is MUCH easier to put together an independent investigation into 9/11 than if we just start from where we are now.
I hope you keep exposing the 9/11 fraud wherever you can. But I also hope you realize the importance of exposing the other frauds we talked about, and one vehicle to do this is the Ron Paul Revolution. The end result of his campaign, whether or not you think he can win, is irrelevant. The point is, the longer he can stay in the race and get the mainstream media coverage he is getting, the more his ideas will be FORCED to be discussed.
What if he doesn't win the GOP but finishes 2nd with a lot of support? You think he will just quit? I don't. I think that's where it begins. That's when the American people rise up and stand up to the status quo elites, and finally take our country back.
I hope we can continue our discussion, I understand your point completely but I disagree.
"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
-Ron Paul
It's not "The Ron Paul Revolution"...
... even though I agree that makes a great campaign slogan. But much more importantly, it's a revolution that Ron Paul is simply helping millions of people put into their own words. Hit send, repeat.
The 9/11 con-job is big, heck, it's literally hell-bound gigantic. But Realist is correct, a sickness can not be truly overcome by attacking the symptoms alone. Currency, as the fiat FED Money we measure it by, is an inside job that makes 9/11 look like a skinned knee on the playground. Six Billion People can literally snort sad amusement at America's 9/11/01, but NOT the 9/11 Wars while tiptoeing breathless across the eggshells of our now apparent and interdependent noose of a money scam.
Chris, if you think RP should blurt aloud "9/11 was an inside job"... please consider how much ground you and I would lose by morning. For RP, it's nether the time, the place, nor frankly his prerogative. Rest easy, he won't be able to stop it... but killing the FED would provide red meat energy for decades of truth turning to come, whether he really wants 911 truth or not.
Ron Paul personally, is almost nothing compared to the good people he is ringing awake by banging a liberty bell. What's kinda funny (snicker snicker at the neo-dumb-shits) is that PR makes himself virtually bastard assault-proof (at least from the smarter ones) with every word that awakens another free thinker. A liberty martyr at this time would eliminate every nook or slimy rock to provide hiding place to those who've had the slightest inkling in human suffering. The stage is that hot.
Ron Paul himself is NOT a savior. He' more like the quite mouse, having nibbling largely unnoticed for years around the halls of government rot. Just the common man of the hour, yet politically ready to take point, more pushed than pulling a horde of newly minted liberty junkies self determined to trail-blaze America out of dark woods.
Think of it this way... simply remove Ron Paul from the equation... the remaining equation already chalked is just too big to be erased.
LEH raised a great question with concerns stemming from the privatization trajectory hinted at by people like and fans of Ron Paul. We've gotten stung hard by the "outsourcing" and "deregulation" bug going around these past decades. Yet RP's wisely subtly clues that he has one... and is carefully assisting the public at large in a reverse-dumbing-down education... bolsters my trust he may help guide a largely bloodless revolution.
I'm working on a several part series intended to elucidate a number of dynamics too often left unnoticed. Such as Legal vs. lawful, Language vs. language, as well as Public and Private vs. public and private. With these, a bastard can harness like demonic possession, the slave with his own words into forging his finely crafted chains.
Pushing Truth.
For those emotionally able to deal with 9/11 Truth... Push 9/11 Truth. For those unable to handle that... push the Federal Reserve Scheme. The North American Union, etc. We need to read the audience and then react accordingly. Push them where they are able to be pushed.
Regardless, It's up to us to change things...
Good point about the Corporate "Person". In current times the federal government has granted legal "rights" to corporations. Corporations have more legal rights than most American citizens, as can be seen throughout the news. With this current version of fascism recognized growing around us, we must figure out how we can prepare and counter it. There are many pieces coming together and happening very fast with the recent attack on the dollar by the Fed. They are trying to get our military including our National Guard, our defense at home, into another disastrous war that might just destroy what's left of our National Defense, while what's left of our rights and freedom get destroyed at home as they begin to take away more of our guns and prepare us to be enveloped into their planned NAU, somewhat interchangeable with NWO?
Evidently, the elites must plan on the American people to be utterly demoralized by all this and just clamor for their solution to save us. Our saviors, like Alan Greenspan, being portrayed as an economic "savior" by the corporate news while blatantly attacking the strength of our tool of exchange for commerce. Those that created all this, our saviors; problem, reaction, solution. We must also learn how to get creative about solving these new complex developments on our national scene. I don't mean to just dump a downer here. But many also recognize that 9/11 and all that has resulted because of it, was most importantly a means to an ends for the elite.
When taken in context with what was reported from NY by the Wear Are Change group and friends, who were truthin' outside David Rockefeller's place on the anniversary weekend. They reported that the Rockefeller family has controlling interests in 93 of the top 125 US corporations. So now, reportedly there are 93 David Rockefellers, who are openly calling for and working towards the destruction of the USA. Thats a large beast with many arms. Arms, which are corporate beasts with more rights than physical human beings. Who are exerting power on the poor and middle class through the control resultant from the use of fascism on the Federal Government. With the complementary control of the privately-held Federal Reserve, it is the poor and middle class that be affected by the coming engineered downfall of the American Dollar. Since the elites created the situation, they are prepared where the ignorant are not. The Rockefellers, amoungst many of the other international "elite" families, also reportedly have controlling interest of the Federal Reserve. Dont' worry though, the international, globalist elite have their solution picked out; the Dollar's replacement, the Amero. As currently ongoing, the Federal Reserve continues to bail out the elites from their created speculation of the mortgage market and its inevitable collapse. The elites are being bailed out through their banks, while the purchasing power and wealth is stolen from the remaining American people.
Sorry for the seemingly negative rant, but with KBR building FEMA camps, it's evident that they've already got their plans for some kind of reaction from the poor and middle class as the hard truth sinks in. Lets prove their plans a failure! We need to keep going, be resourceful, get creative, become more organized, and provide a new positive and welcoming direction through a momentous force of the truth. They've already got their plans for some kind of reaction from the poor and middle class as the hard truth sinks in.
Looking back over this I would like to be more positive, but I'm very angry and I can't always be positive at the expense of making realistic observations.
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Interesting..
"I don't understand how so many people in the so-called Patriot Movement think a 20-year veteran of Congress is going to come riding into Washington like Mr. Smith. I don't understand why they grant him a pass on 9/11 when they vicerally attack and truth-squad others for being cowards."
My short answer to this would be: Alex Jones.
The fact is, Ron Paul would not be nearly as popular without the endorsement of Alex. The flipside of that is, I wouldn't be blogging here or active the 9/11 Truth Movement without Alex either!
Ron Paul does not believe 9/11 was an inside job; if he does, then he's never said it publicly. He has said on numerous occasions that the government is covering something up and that they did a poor job on the 'investigation' and that a real independent investigation is certainly in order.
However, he's also said that 'absolutely not' when asked whether or not he believes this administration or elements within the government 'orchestrated the attacks'.
I've struggled with this sooo much over the past few days.
I live in Chicago and recently saw Dr. Paul at a Ron Paul rally. He was fantastic.
But I agree with the questioning within this movement of why we let him have a 'free pass' on 9/11 when others are called cowards, even though Dr. Paul is willing to address the 9/11 cover-up; kind of a paradox.
As Dr. Bob Bowman puts it; the question is, what are they covering up? My experience with people on the left is that they were simply covering up negligence. I whole-heartedly disagree with that as I'm sure most if not all of you do as well.
Ron Paul did say, however, in an article submitted to antiwar.com on April 24, 2004:
"I'm sure the Commission will not deal with the flaw in the foreign policy endorsed by both parties for these many decades. I hope the Commission tells us why members of the bin Laden family were permitted, immediately after 9/11, to leave the United States without interrogation, when no other commercial or private flights were allowed. That event should have been thoroughly studied and explained to the American people. We actually had a lot more reason to invade Saudi Arabia than we did Iraq in connection with 9/11, but that country, obviously no friend of democracy, remains an unchallenged ally of the United States with few questions asked."
Does the fact then remain that Dennis Kucinich is the only person in Congress (besides Cynthia McKinney) to actually DO something about the 9/11 cover-up?
Does anyone know the latest on Kucinich's 'subcommittee'?
Thoughts?
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We don't have a free market currently...
"We do not have a free market when it comes to the money supply. And since the money permeates the entire market, it isn't much of a leap to conclude that we don't have a free market of any kind at all." - Michael Nystrom MBA (editor of DailyPaul.com)
So, as it doesn't exist currently, it is impossible for it to even attempt to sort out the problem of corporate control of govt that you mention.
what does it say when the
what does it say when the MSM(in this case Newsweek) is reporting this?:
Cheney mulled luring Iran into war with Israel: report
US Vice President Richard Cheney has considered provoking an exchange of military strikes between Iran and Israel in order to give the United States a pretext to attack Iran, Newsweek magazine reported in its Monday issue.
But the weekly said the steady departure of neoconservatives from the administration over the past two years had helped tilt the balance away from war.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/240907Cheney.htm
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
I thought about
making this a blog. With all the information out there surrounding the truth on 9/11,and all the very good video evidence we have. Such as 9/11 press for truth,9/11 mysteries ,and the many small video clips(Danny Joewenko,Norman Mineta,Robin Hordin etc.
I was wonder if there's any of you out there that can assemble a video that covers ALL the relivant questions we have?
True it might have to be in a DVD set but hey!...What better way to spread the truth in one shot.
Ron Paul- Gold Bug
One of Ron Paul's strengths has been his position on abolishing the Federal Reserve, unfortunately he falls short of a healthy solution. Today I'll be doing a radio show on Money which will challenge Ron Paul's "golden solution."
Ellen Hodgson Brown
The Web of Debt- The Shocking Truth About Our Money System -- The Sleight of Hand That Has Trapped Us in Debt and How We Can Break Free
Conception Dollar
Issue #10- Deception Dollar
Listen 9:00- 11:00 pm (CST) to the WeThePeopleRadioNetwork.com and to our guest in the first and second hour- Ellen Hodgson Brown on "Rethinking Money."
Ellen Hodgson Brown author of The Web of Debt- The Shocking Truth About Our Money System -- The Sleight of Hand That Has Trapped Us in Debt And How We Can Break Free. Ellen will be attending Monetary Reform Conferences in Chicago September 26th-30th and in the UK October 5th-7th.
Ellen Brown developed her research skills as an attorney practicing civil litigation in Los Angeles. In Web of Debt, she turns her skills towards an analysis of the Federal Reserve and "the money trust." She shows how this private cartel has usurped the power to create money from the people themselves, and how we the people can get it back. Brown developed an interest in the developing world and its problems while living abroad for eleven years in Kenya, Honduras, Guatemala and Nicaragua. She returned to practicing law when she was asked to join the legal team of a popular Tijuana healer with an innovative cancer therapy, who was targeted by the chemotherapy industry in the 1990s. That experience produced her book Forbidden Medicine, which traces the suppression of natural health treatments to the same corrupting influences that have captured the money system. Brown's eleven books include the bestselling Nature's Pharmacy, co-authored with Dr. Lynne Walker, which has sold 285,000 copies.
Her work on healing is a perfect complement to tackling the systemic problems caused by the current financial system. The global economy is terminally ill and the planet, after a long period of human abuse in the pursuit of power and profit, is in dire need of healing.
In a review of Ellen's book, someone wrote:
"I can unequivocally say that this is now the definitive work on the world's financial and banking system, the history of money and power in Western civilization, and the dire prognosis for our economy and our personal freedoms, in general, as a result. It is vastly superior to "The Creature from Jekyll Island",... looking back four to five years from now, this could be the most profound non-fiction work of our times. Robert Hemphill, Credit Manager for the Federal Reserve Bank in Atlanta, when speaking on the same topic as this book, stated, "It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon.". .. The mechanics of money and finance have a profound affect on every person's life and well being, and is inextricably linked to the fabric of our society and our freedom. Yet it is almost completely ignored and poorly understood by the common man. As Henry Ford said, "It is well that the people of this nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be revolution before tomorrow morning." ...
"Ellen Hodgson Brown does a remarkable job at making this subject both easily understandable and richly entertaining... Unknown to most, The Wizard of Oz was written as a parable for our monetary system. Ms. Brown takes us down that yellow brick road and shows us that the reason L. Frank Baum's timeless story resonates with us so deeply is that our own world works much the same way as the Land of Oz, with a parallel cast of characters. It lies within our power, and in this book, to find our own ruby/silver slippers, thus avoiding the crisis to find our way back home to the real utopia."
Carol Brouillet, the show's host, has also organized three conferences with a focus on "Money" and promoted local currencies for over a decade. She publishes the Conception Dollarand the Deception Dollars which resembles money, but includes art and websites to raise consciousness about solutions to the current military/political/ecological crises that we face, and 9/11. The Deception Dollars have also helped to nurture the 9/11 truth community, movement, and funded the first 9/11 Truth events that were held in San Francisco.
"Money, next to brute military force is the most powerful tool of Empire. The heart of the Global Economy is a war economy.
To change the world's monetary system, one must change the world's belief system. Actually, it is easier to expose the "war game" than the "money game," but both are tied together. If we are to change the system, so that the economy serves rather than destroys life, we need to challenge the foundational myths about our history, war, money, that enable the curent system to continue. It is in crisis now, and we have a rare opportunity to "reinvent money" as people lose confidance in the US government, the dollar, the war on terror, and to nurture new systems based on truth, cooperation, respect, shared recognition of our interdependence, humanity's desire for genuine peace and freedom."
Questioning War- Organizing Resistance is a weekly radio show, archived at http://mp3.wtprn.com/Brouillet07.html. Carol Brouillet organized the first marches on her Senators and Congresswoman in January 2002 to Demand a Congressional Investigation of 9-11. She publishes the Deception Dollars, and Co-Founded the 9-11 Truth Alliance, and the Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance . She organized premieres of films, educational events, marches, rallies for 9-11 Truth, the San Francisco International Inquiry into 9-11, and produced the film Behind Every Terrorist- There is a Bush. She is also a mother of three boys and has held a weekly Listening Project in downtown Palo Alto since October 2001. She ran for Congress in 2006 on the Green Party ticket on a 9-11 Truth, Peace, Impeachment platform.
Carol Brouillet
http://www.communitycurrency.org
Gold backed dollars are not
Gold backed dollars are not perfect but they are FAR better than the fiat system we have today, and would take the power away from the government and federal reserve by keeping a check on our money.
"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
-Ron Paul
Right on...
I haven't studied monetary policy in depth--but I do know that a gold standard would be a radical revolution over the current corrupt system.
Also, check out this article from LewRockwell.com on how Paul's campaign will be sabotaged if he finds himself in a serious position to win: Ron Paul and The Empire.
Yet another Ron Paul faux pas
"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." - Ron Paul
I think that comment is not only stupid, but actually historically incorrect.
(pardon my frankness, if needs be)
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To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
It's completely correct.
We were founded as a Republic, not a Democracy.
"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
-Ron Paul
I can tell you one thing the framers were not: theocrats
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— God, the Bible and civil government. Paul agrees it is not the role of civil government, at any level — Federal, state or local — to feed, house, clothe or educate anybody and that this would also be un-Constitutional. He believes Scripture is God’s Word and thus inerrant and infallible. He says: “Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” He believes our country came together by God’s Providence “just as, Providentially, it may end, by God’s Will.”
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They made that very explicit - no religion test for office. (I wonder if they should have made an exception for apocalyptist yahoos waiting for God's will to end the world?)
Ron Paul has his opinion on what "our" country's "founders" believed.
I prefer to side with Jefferson, however.
The federalists, the framers of the Constitution, had opposition in their day, so much so that when they advanced their draft of a plan to keep power in the hands of the few, it met with rejection from the people (at any rate, those white men who were allowed to speak out), and they at least forced its revision through the most important document in the history of the United States, which is not the Constitution but the Bill of Rights.
That's democracy in action, baby. And we could use a lot of it today.
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"Truth is not measured in mass appeal."
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The Constitution as Reactionary Document
Indeed. Realist's comment that the "founding fathers" were very much opposed to democracy is correct, for the most part. Some people consider this a good thing, I consider it the primary reason the American experiment as failed (up to this point) . I'll probably get some flack for posting this, but better to be honest than pretend I believe something I do not.
The Constitution as Reactionary Document
J. Allen Smith, late Professor of Political Science at the University of Washington, wrote a pathbreaking ( 1907) critique of the Constitution as a reactionary document. Smith describes the strong democratic tendencies in America that culminated in the Declaration of Independence and the Articles of Confederation. He argues that conservative elites prepared the Constitution in order to curb the power of the people and protect the property interests of the upper class. Smith's ultimate purpose was to demonstrate that the efforts of contemporary majorities to curb corporations were justified, notwithstanding the constitutional interpretations of the courts.
The Constitution was in form a political document, but its significance was mainly economic. There can be no question that the national government has given to the minority a greater protection than it has enjoyed anywhere else in the world, save in those countries where the minority is a specially privileged aristocracy and the right of suffrage is limited. So absolute have property rights been held by the Supreme Court, that it even, by the Dred Scott decision, in effect made the whole country a land of slavery, because the slave was property, and the rights of property were sacred. 30
In carrying out the original intent of the Constitution with reference to property the courts have developed and applied the doctrine of vested rights--a doctrine which has been used with telling effect for the purpose of defeating democratic reforms. This doctrine briefly stated is that property rights once granted are sacred and inviolable. A rigid adherence to this policy would effectually deprive the government of the power to make the laws governing private property conform to social and economic changes. It would disregard the fact that vested rights are often vested wrongs, and that one important, if not indeed the most important, task which a government by and for the people has to perform is to rectify past mistakes and correct the evils growing out of corruption and class rule. A government without authority to interfere with vested rights would have little power to promote the general welfare through legislation.
The adoption of the Constitution brought this doctrine from the realm of political speculation into the arena of practical politics. The men who framed and set up our Federal government were shrewd enough to see that if the interests of the property-holding classes were to be given effective protection, it was necessary that political power should rest ultimately upon a class basis. This they expected to accomplish largely through the judicial veto and the power and influence of the Supreme Court. The effect of establishing the supremacy of this branch of the government was to make the legal profession virtually a ruling class. To their charge was committed under our system of government the final authority in all matters of legislation. They largely represent by virtue of their training and by reason of the interests with which they are affiliated, the conservative as opposed to the democratic influences. The power and influence exerted by lawyers in this country are the natural outgrowth of the constitutional position of our Supreme Court. Its supremacy is in the last analysis the supremacy of lawyers as a class and through them of the various interests which they represent and from which they derive their support. This explains the fact so often commented on by foreign critics, that in this country lawyers exert a predominant influence in political matters.
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On the other hand American constitutional and legal literature still inculcates and keeps alive fear and distrust of majority rule. The official and ruling class in this country has been profoundly influenced by political ideas which have long been discarded in the countries which have made the most rapid strides in the direction of popular government. The influence which our constitutional and legal literature, based as it is upon a profound distrust of majority rule, has had upon the lawyers, politicians, and public men of this country can hardly be overestimated. It is true that many who have been most influenced by this spirit of distrust toward popular government would be unwilling to admit that they are opposed to majority rule--in fact, they may regard themselves as sincere believers in democracy. This is not to be wondered at when we consider that throughout our history under the Constitution the old and the new have been systematically jumbled in our political literature. In fact, the main effort of our constitutional writers would appear to be to give to the undemocratic eighteenth-century political ideas a garb and setting that would in a measure reconcile them with the democratic point of view. The natural and inevitable result has followed. The students of American political literature have imbibed the fundamental idea of the old system--its distrust of majority rule--along with a certain sentimental attachment to and acceptance of the outward forms of democracy. This irreconcilable contradiction between the form and the substance, the body and the spirit of our political institutions is not generally recognized even by the American students of government. Constitutional writers have been too much preoccupied with the thought of defending and glorifying the work of the fathers and not enough interested in disclosing its true relation to present-day thought and tendencies. As a consequence of this, the political ideas of our education classes represent a curious admixture of democratic beliefs superimposed upon a hardly conscious substratum of eighteenth-century doctrines. It is this contradiction in our thinking that has been one of our chief sources of difficulty in dealing with political problems. While honestly believing that we have been endeavoring to make democracy a success, we have at the same time tenaciously held on to the essential features of a political system designed for the purpose of defeating the ends of popular government.
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The Eleventh Day of Every Month
ON DEMOCRACY
"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner." --Benjamin Franklin
This question of who rules is complex and painful on many levels.
George W. Bush had an 84% approval rating right after 9/11, where he sat reading about a goat instead of fulfilling his duties as Commander in Chief during THE greatest (alleged) attack in US history.
Explain a public that can be so easily led, so easily fooled, so easily rendered immoral and enabling of genocide.
The German people put Adolf Hitler into power, largely by democratic means. This was the great failure of democracy up until the USA went down the same path.
Without an EDUCATED and WELL INFORMED citizenry (we have neither) democracy is a sick joke, the devil's playground. Sorry if that's negative and harsh, it does point the way forward: educate and inform your fellow citizens, as the alternative is beyond atrocity, beyond sanity, and could bring down this nation.
As for the lawyer bashing:
"Its supremacy is in the last analysis the supremacy of lawyers as a class and through them of the various interests which they represent and from which they derive their support."
Lawyers aren't a "class." They're a profession that anyone from any class can enter into. This line of argument is reactionary drivel. A lot -- if not all -- of the positive reforms that have happened in this country have been the result of the hard work of lawyers.
Support the ACLU (with some money), as they are one fo the few organizations actively fighting for YOUR rights.
Of Wolves and Sheep
"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner." --Benjamin Franklin
Ben Franklin? Isn’t that the same cat who said:
"It would be a very strange thing if Six Nations of Ignorant Savages should be capable of forming a Scheme for such an Union
and be able to execute it in such a manner, as that it has subsisted Ages, and appears indissoluble, and yet a like union should be impracticable for ten or a dozen English colonies."
He was referring to the Iroquois Federation, whose system of government (or rather lack thereof) was reflected on in depth by everyone from Marx to Thomas Jefferson. And his sarcastic prediction turned out to be right. The American variation was impractical. Because the framers (or most of them, anyway) missed what made the Iroquois Federation great.
Democracy.
"Jefferson believed that freedom to exercise restraint on their leaders, and an egalitarian distribution of property secured for
Indians in general a greater degree of happiness than that to be found among the superintended sheep at the bottom of European class structures. Jefferson thought a great deal of "happiness," a word which in the eighteenth century carried connotations of a sense of personal and societal security and well-being that it has since lost. Jefferson thought enough of happiness to make its pursuit a natural right, along with life and liberty. In so doing, he dropped "property," the third member of the natural rights trilogy generally used by followers of John Locke.”
It is unfortunate indeed that the individuals who drafted the American Constitution merely borrowed certain structural elements from the Iroquois, ignoring (in fact despising) its most important feature: direct democracy. Not that they needed to emulate the Iroquois; they could have merely listened to the anti-federalists, who (not without irony) represented the majority at the time.
“General comments following the Convention were that the Framers had gone too far. “The natural Course of Power is to make the many Slaves to the few.” Another objected to the Constitution because “the bulk of the people can have nothing to say to it. The government is not a government of the people.” The “men of Fortune” would not feel for the “Common People.” An “aristocratical tyranny” would arise, in which “the great will struggle for power, honor and wealth, the poor become a prey to avarice, insolence, and oppression.” Even John Quincy Adams would write in his diary that the Constitution was “calculated to increase the influence, power and wealth of those who have any already.” In South Carolina, when the “backcountry” learned of ratification, “the people had a Coffin painted black, which borne in funeral procession, was solemnly buried, as an emblem of the dissolution and internment of publick Liberty....”
“And we find that criticisms of the Constitution were explicit with regard to its failure to respect democracy, although the term was used to mean a variety of political systems. Frequently anti-federalists said that they preferred a “democratick” system to an “aristocratick” and that the Constitution did not erect a “Democratick or Republican,” government where democracy was generally defined as a political system that gave space to “the great body of the people, the middle and lower classes,” as contrasted with “the few men of wealth and abilities” who comprised the “natural aristocracy.”21
It is interesting to note that our own complaints of an “imperial presidency,” that we feel powerless and that our votes do not count, that the “military-industrial complex” has too much power, that government seems distant and far away, or that corporations seem to dominate all aspects of our lives echo the complaints heard 200 years ago. It is not surprising. After all, it is still the same system, and in so many important respects the debate surrounding the adopting of the Constitution underlies contemporary class and racial divisions as well as debates over militarism, the environment, secret governments, and the spiritual well-being of our country.”
Two wolves and a sheep? The analogy makes no sense whatsoever. A republic places decision making power in the hands of a wealthy minority – wolves – who are then free to fleece (or eat) the sheep at will. Granted, the sheep get to pick which species of wolf they’d like to have eat them, but that’s the “freedom” of fools, if you ask me. Democracy is the process of sheep becoming men.
As Varlet wrote in 1973
One truth is weIl demonstrated: Man by his very nature, full of arrogance in the higher positions, inclines necessarily toward despotism; we sense now that we must hold in arrest, in check, the established authorities; without which they become all-oppressive in power. Let us not seek to counterbalance them byeach other; all counterweight which is not that of the people itself is false. The Sovereign ought always to direct the social body; it is worth nothing when someone else represents it.[51]
George W. Bush had an 84% approval rating right after 9/11, where he sat reading about a goat instead of fulfilling his duties as Commander in Chief during THE greatest (alleged) attack in US history.
Explain a public that can be so easily led, so easily fooled, so easily rendered immoral and enabling of genocide.
Sure. Example. At the time of the Consitutional Convention, Benjamin Rush, in a proposal entitled “The Mode of Education Proper in a Republic,” stated: “I consider it possible to convert men into republican machines. This must be done, if we expect them to perform their parts properly, in the great machine of the government of the state.”
In a system where the mass of the citizenry are reduced to mere spectators, are not permitted to engage in the decision making process, and as a result are intentionally dumbed down to the point of stupefaction, it is natural they behave like sheep. The fallacy here is that you assume this to be some sort of “natural state”, when in fact it is perpetually cultivated. The answer is not less democracy (as Ron Paul would have it) but more. Lot’s more.
“Without an EDUCATED and WELL INFORMED citizenry (we have neither) democracy is a sick joke, the devil's playground.”
I agree. But then I don’t consider the United States or indeed any other modern state democratic. Moreover:
As Carole Pateman argues:
"the evidence supports the arguments . . . that we do learn to participate by participating and that feelings of political efficacy are more likely to be developed in a participatory environment. Furthermore, the evidence indicates that experience of a participatory authority structure might also be effective in diminishing tendencies towards non-democratic attitudes in the individual." [Participation and Democratic Theory, p. 105]
Support the ACLU (with some money), as they are one fo the few organizations actively fighting for YOUR rights.
I’m not American, though Americans own most of my country. But thanks for the advice.
The Eleventh Day of Every Month
sorry double posted.
sorry double posted.
Help my daily kos diary now
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/24/105520/190
Recommed it if you can. My ability to comment was frozen when the AIPAC crew saw the content. Thanks.
DAILY KOS DOUCHEBAGS
I tried to just "subscribe" to the diary, so I could post something, but "permission denied."
I'm on their list over there (due to previous submissions). The majority at KOS are mindless (yet smug and arrogant) dismissals based on faulty logic and faulty websites.
I wanted to address:
"There are already online resources for dealing with truthies, such as debunking911 dot com.
Denial movements breed an immune response where people marshal all the evidence and enumerate the BS arguments made by the deniers." -"CAJ"
Speaking of a denial movement, I can't get my articles documenting URBAN MOVING SYSTEMS Mossad agent activity on 9/11 published on "liberal" blogs who deny that these events happen out of craven cowardice and fealty to the Israeli lobby (and shriek machine).
As for "debunking911dot com", Dr. Jones is being attacked there, and he should really respond to their (thin) assaults.
My own approach concerns their page:
http://www.debunking911.com/conspiracy.htm
"Real Conspiracy Theory
What a real conspiracy looks like. Real conspiracies have very few players and even then, they are usually exposed. Enron, Watergate, Iran/Contra and the rest have few people involved and someone always comes out to blow the whistle."
He does, of course, ignore all 9/11 whistleblowers. This brainchild goes on to document how the Bush regime conspired to launch an illegal war of aggression in Iraq.
Well, Mr. Authority, these are the SAME FUCKING PEOPLE YOU FUCKING IGNORANT SACK OF DIARRHEA!!!!!
I could squeeze three articles out of this mook. But would "liberal" blogs care? Doubtful. The liberal latte dweebs don't actually care about the truth. They never have. They are content thinking of themselves as superior to the rednecks. Something like 9/11, which doesn't fit the preconceptions is beyond their abilities to think or to care.
Daily Kos In Purposeful Denial
Last night I sent Daily Kos owner plus Plutonium Page and Meteor Blades personal emails pointing out the cowardice and sinister censorship endemic on their website. Its too bad they continue to deny the obvious. They seem to be an AIPAC organization underneath it all.
Is the Oregon Truth Alliance Grassroots or Astroturf?
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6749#6749
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Ahmadinejad Questions 9/11,
Ahmadinejad Questions 9/11, Holocaust
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hdVphwtHPpy9Q9tjjJ_nrCbbPG3g
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Ahmadinejad questions 9/11, Holocaust
There is a lot of reports of "Ahmadinejad questions 9/11, Holocaust" going around today.
pairing the two cannot be good for us in the minds of IGNORANT Americans.
9 11
"Why did this happen? What caused it? What conditions led to it?" he said.
"Who truly was involved? Who was really involved and put it all together?" The joker said.
But it's too bad leaders of other countries - not just George- who had people murdered on 9-11 won't dare ask the same questions. Say Steve Harper - 9-11 was an inside job. Canadians were murdered !!!
That's the problem people...
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"The ancient Greek philosopher Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous information in the first place and for what purpose..."
I really believe that.........
JFK got a bullet in his head because of trying to eliminate the elites cash cow(FEDERAL RESERVE)
ICH: Turning Ahmadinejad into public enemy No. 1
Information Clearing House Newsletter
ICH: Turning Ahmadinejad into public enemy No. 1
09/24/07
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Men love their ideas more than their lives. And the more preposterous the idea, the more eager they are to die for it. And to kill for it.: Edward Abbey
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"The greatest country, the richest country, is not that which has the most capitalists, monopolists, immense grabbings, vast fortunes, with its sad, sad soil of extreme, degrading, damning poverty, but the land in which there are the most homesteads, freeholds-where wealth does not show such contrasts high and low, where all men have enough-a modest living-and no man is made possessor beyond the sane and beautiful necessities.": Walt Whitman (1819-1892):
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"A State divided into a small number of rich and a large number of poor will always develop a government manipulated by the rich to protect the amenities represented by their property.": Harold Laski
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"Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. "In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended. Its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force of the people. "The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war... and in the degeneracy of manners and morals, engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." : James Madison, April 20, 1795
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Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since The U.S. Invaded Iraq 1,063,825
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html
Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In America'sWar On Iraq 3,799
http://icasualties.org/oif/
Cost of U.S. War and Occupation of Iraq
$454,303,370,127
See the cost in your community
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Full Interview With Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Video - 60 Minutes - 09/23/07
Presstitute, Scott Pelley interviewed Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Tehran on Thursday. Ahmadinejad talks about his visit to New York, Iran's nuclear program and his views on Israel.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18452.htm
Turning Ahmadinejad into public enemy No. 1
By Juan Cole
Demonizing the Iranian president and making his visit to New York seem controversial are all part of the neoconservative push for yet another war.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18453.htm
Where's the Investigation Kucinich Promised?
Earlier this year, Congressman Dennis Kucinich promised an investigation into several financial aspects of 9/11: The Insider trading and the funding of Mohammed Atta, etc. He said that as a chairman his subcommitte would launch this investigation "in September." Well, it's September. His campaign office won't respond to this since it is a matter of congressional business and I haven't gotten anything definitive from his office. Does anyone have an update on this? Maybe we should follow up with him about keeping his promise to us?
Nice thread. No question that getting rid of the Fed is absolutely vital, but exposing 9/11 is even more crucial in first causing the indignation and revolution necessary for bringing this about. I believe that exposing the North American Union in tandem with 9/11 is a powerful approach. Simply trusting corporations in a laissez faire style free market without government regulations (a la Ron Paul) is the last thing we need. Our government and media have been hijaced by corportations. We must fight for public funding of elections, insist upon paper ballots, have vigorous exit polling and expose 9/11 and the war on terror as a means to restoring the Constitution and abolishing the Fed.
See my post...
...here:
Maybe Kooky did a Bat-turn,...
http://www.911blogger.com/node/11253#comment-161018
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
Search Engine Optimization
Being that SEO is a large portion of my job, and the fact that I'm very good at it, it is my recommendation to this site that there be an "Open Thread" every day. In the open thread, there should be fresh news of the day. It would be even more ideal if the thread titles were relevant to the news of the day.
For this to happen, it might be wise to have a seperate "open thread" forum. This would generate a lot of traffic for this site and make it increasingly relevant in getting organic search traffic.
It looks like there are some ads on the site, so I'm sure there is a little revenue coming in from that. It might pay for itself to buy random keywords that nobody is searching for. These are very cheap if not free. Imagine every "whitespace" search returning a sponsored link from 911Blogger.com "911 was an Inside Job."
Any way to get the word out.
dupe The Eleventh Day of
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The Eleventh Day of Every Month
Watch the video 911blogger is suppressing
Two times trying to post this on my blog here and two times suppressed by the admin. Why?
See for yourself:
Hoodwinked at Shanksville: The Little Engine That Couldn't
censorship for what purpose?
I too had posts cut off. See for yourself, the story a 911 victime calously blocked:
Prisoner 345 at the United States Detainment Centre in Guantanamo Bay Cuba, has been on hunger strike since 7th January, 2007. He is now in grave danger of death.
Prisoner 345 was arrested in Pakistan in December 2001 whilst travelling with a legitimate visa to work in Afghanistan as a cameraman for Al Jazeera. But he is being held as an ‘enemy combatant. He has been detained for over five years without trial. He is accused of interviewing for an Al Jazeera interview with Usama Bin Laden.
The intelligence about Sami was flawed. Despite learning this, the U.S. military flew him to Bagram Airforce Base on January 7, 2002. He reports that these were the longest days of his life. He was kept in a freezing hangar with other prisoners, in a cage, with an oil drum to use as a toilet. He was given one freezing cold meal a day. He was not allowed to talk, and he severely abused.
On January 23, 2002, Sami was taken to Kandahar. There, U.S. MPs pulled the hairs of his beard out one by one. He was forced him to kneel for long periods on cold concrete (he still has marks on his knees from this). He was beaten many times. An MP stuck a finger up his anus, and another said to Sami, “I want to f**k you.” The Qu’ran was thrown in the toilet in front of him.
prisoner345.net is dedicated to empowering Sami’s family, friends and colleagues, together with all supporters of human rights around the world, in the campaign to set him free.
Sami is represented by Anglo-American lawyer Clive Stafford Smith, Legal Director of the London-based charity Reprieve (clivess@mac.com). His Al Jazeera contact is Ahmad Ibrahim (ahmadi@aljazeera.net).
Sami al Haj, ISN 345
Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay
P.O. Box 166, Washington, DC 20355
Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report
I just spotted this article. It seems even ex-CIA people think the 9/11 omission report stinks to high heavens! How right they are. We must have a new investigation! This should be the top priority of our 9/11 truth movement.
Subject: Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report
From: "Alan Miller" alan.miller@PatriotsQuestion911.com
Date:
Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:41:45 -0700
To:
A 2,000 word article, Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report — Official Account of 9/11 a "Joke" and a "Cover-up", appeared today on OpEdNews. Link to article.
The article details severe criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report by seven CIA veterans and their calls for a new investigation. A brief quote from each of the individuals featured in the article appears below.
Please help disseminate this critically important information.
Best regards, Alan
Raymond McGovern, former Chairman of the National Intelligence Council and 27-year CIA veteran, "I think at simplest terms, there's a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke."
William Christison, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political, and 29-year CIA veteran, "We very seriously need an entirely new very high level and truly independent investigation of the events of 9/11. I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all."
Melvin Goodman, PhD, former Division Chief of the CIA's Office of Soviet Affairs and Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990, "The final report is ultimately a coverup. I don't know how else to describe it."
Robert Baer, 21-year CIA veteran and specialist in the Middle East, who was awarded the Career Intelligence Medal upon his retirement in 1997, "Until we get a complete, honest, transparent investigation …, we will never know what happened on 9/11."
Robert David Steele has 25 years of combined service in the CIA and the U.S. Marine Corps. Second ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence from 1988 - 1992. Member of the Adjunct Faculty of Marine Corps University. "I am forced to conclude that 9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war. … I have to tell anyone who cares to read this: I believe it. I believe it enough to want a full investigation that passes the smell test of the 9/11 families as well as objective outside observers."
Lynne Larkin, former CIA Operations Officer who served in several CIA foreign stations before being assigned to the CIA's Counter-Intelligence Center. There, she co-chaired a multi-agency task force, which coordinated intelligence efforts among the many intelligence and law enforcement agencies. One of twenty-five signers of a letter to Congress expressing their concerns about "serious shortcomings," "omissions," and "major flaws" in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation.
David MacMichael, PhD, former Senior Estimates Officer at the CIA with special responsibility for Western Hemisphere Affairs at the CIA's National Intelligence Council. Prior to joining the CIA, he served for four years as a civilian counter-insurgency advisor to the U.S. government, and prior to that was a U.S. Marine Corps officer for ten years. One of twenty-five signers of a letter to Congress expressing their concerns about "serious shortcomings," "omissions," and "major flaws" in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation.
apt metaphor
I don't have a lot of time now...
"Two wolves and a sheep? The analogy makes no sense whatsoever."
Of course it does. The wolves represent a majority that wants to infringe on the rights of a minority.
The Republican form of government defends the minority from a majority that wishes to violate its "inalienable rights."
A pure democracy can vote that all minorities have to give up property, rights, freedom, and reduce them to slaves.
A Republic defends the rights of minorities against abuse by the current prevailing majority.
"A republic places decision making power in the hands of a wealthy minority – wolves – who are then free to fleece (or eat) the sheep at will."
That's one way of looking at it, and it points to a flaw in the current power structure. The Republic doesn't actually do that as a matter of law. There is no law demanding that a "wealthy minority" rule. It has become that way due to numerous factors that I don't have time to go into.
Franklin's observation is still valid however.
Hunter S. Thompson cover of current Rolling
Stone magazine caused me to do a quick internet search and this is what I found. Pardon me if this is old news but I did not know:
Hunter Thompson was working on WTC collapse story before mysterious sudden death, warned he'd be 'suicided'
Total 9/11 Info/Prison Planet | March 2 2005
Toronto Globe and Mail February 26, 2005:
Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think . . ."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/020305thompsonwarned.htm