9/11 conspiracy theories rife in Muslim world AP Oct. 2

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9/11 conspiracy theories rife in Muslim world
AP

By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA, Associated Press Writer Christopher Torchia, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 18 mins ago

ISTANBUL – About a week ago, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared to the United Nations that most people in the world believe the United States was behind the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

To many people in the West, the statement was ludicrous, almost laughable if it weren't so incendiary. And surveys show that a majority of the world does not in fact believe that the U.S. orchestrated the attacks.

However, the belief persists strongly among a minority, even with U.S. allies like Turkey or in the U.S. itself. And it cannot be dismissed because it reflects a gulf in politics and perception, especially between the West and many Muslims.

"That theory might be true," said Ugur Tezer, a 48-year-old businessman who sells floor tiles in the Turkish capital, Ankara. "When I first heard about the attack I thought, 'Osama,' but then I thought the U.S. might have done it to suppress the rise of Muslims."

Compassion for the United States swept the globe right after the attacks, but conspiracy theories were circulating even then. It wasn't al-Qaida, they said, but the United States or Israel that downed the towers. Weeks after the strikes, at the United Nations, President George W. Bush urged the world not to tolerate "outrageous conspiracy theories" that deflected blame from the culprits.

However, the subsequent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan provided fodder for the damning claim that the U.S. killed its own citizens, supposedly to justify military action in the Middle East and to protect Israel. A 2006 survey by the Pew Global Attitudes Project found that significant majorities in Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan and Turkey — all among the most moderate nations in the Islamic world — said they did not believe Arabs carried out the attacks.

Two years later, a poll of 17 nations by WorldPublicOpinion.org, an international research project, found majorities in nine of them believed al-Qaida was behind the attacks. However, the U.S. government was blamed by 36 percent of Turks and 27 percent of Palestinians.

Such beliefs have currency even in the United States. In 2006, a Scripps Howard poll of 1,010 Americans found 36 percent thought it somewhat or very likely that U.S. officials either participated in the attacks or took no action to stop them.

Those who say the attacks might have been an "inside job" usually share antipathy toward the U.S. government, and often a maverick sensibility. Besides Ahmadinejad, high-profile doubters include Cuba's Fidel Castro and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. Former Minnesota governor and pro wrestler Jesse Ventura has questioned the official account. Conspiracy theorists have heckled former President Bill Clinton and other prominent Americans during speeches.

Controversy over U.S. actions and policies, including the widely discredited assertions that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, reinforced the perceptions of conspiracy theorists. Iranians dug deeper into history, recalling the U.S.-backed coup in their country in 1953.

"Initially, I was doubtful about the conspiracy theories. But after seeing the events in later years, I don't have any doubt that it was their own operation to find a pretext to hit Muslim countries," said Shaikh Mushtaq Ahmed, a 58-year-old operations manager in a bank in Pakistan. "It's not a strange thing that they staged something like this in their own country to achieve a big objective."

In March, an editorial in The Washington Post harshly criticized Yukihisa Fujita, a lawmaker with the ruling Democratic Party of Japan, for saying in an interview that some of the Sept. 11 hijackers were alive and that shadowy forces with advance information about the plot played the stock market for profit. Fujita said the article contained factual errors.

The record shows that al-Qaida agents on a suicide mission hijacked four American passenger planes and crashed them into the World Trade Center towers, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania, killing nearly 3,000 people. The evidence is immense: witness accounts, audio recordings, video and photographic documentation, exhaustive investigations and claims of responsibility by al-Qaida.

Yet every fact and official assertion only feeds into alternative views that become amplified on the Internet, some tinged with anti-Semitism because of the close U.S.-Israeli alliance. They theorize that a knowing U.S. government stood by as the plot unfolded, or that controlled demolitions destroyed the Twin Towers, and the Pentagon was hit by a missile.

"All this, of course, would require hundreds if not thousands of people to be in on the plot. It speaks volumes for the determination to believe something," said David Aaronovitch, the British author of "Voodoo Histories: the role of Conspiracy Theory in Modern History."

"This kind of theory really does have a big impact in the Middle East," he said. "It gets in the way of thinking seriously about the problems in the area and what should be done."

A U.S. State Department website devotes space to debunking conspiracy theories about Sept. 11, in the apparent belief that the allegations must be addressed forcefully rather than dismissed out of hand as the ruminations of a fringe group.

"Conspiracy theories exist in the realm of myth, where imaginations run wild, fears trump facts, and evidence is ignored. As a superpower, the United States is often cast as a villain in these dramas," the site says.

Tod Fletcher of Petaluma, California, has worked as an assistant to David Ray Griffin, a retired theology professor, on books that question the Sept. 11 record. He was cautious about the Iranian president's comments about conspiracy theories, suggesting Ahmadinejad may have been politically motivated by his enmity with the U.S. government.

"It seems like it's the sort of thing that could lead to further vilification of people who criticize the official account here in the United States," Fletcher said.

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Torchia reported from Istanbul. Associated Press Writers Gulden Alp in Ankara, Turkey, and Zarar Khan in Islamabad contributed to this report.

As is so typical of this kind

As is so typical of this kind of propaganda, the article starts out promising. It seems to bring to light important facts about popular acceptance of alternative 9/11 theories. But then it perpetrates a full body slam onto the movement.

The function of this article is to attempt using the 9/11 Truth movement against itself. Here's how it works:

1) Assert that Muslims believe the theory that U.S. intelligence operatives were responsible for the attacks. Threat this theory as if it's unsubstantiated and untenable.

2) Assert that the evidence is overwhelming that 19 Arab hijackers are solely responsible for the attacks. No need to provide a shred of evidence for this assertion because in an authoritarian regime, the state need simply to provide a myth. Its gatekeeper media then dutifully records it.

3) Passively imply that Muslims are living in a world of unreality; that their worldview is fundamentally twisted. Imply that this irrational belief of the conspiracy theorists is based on nothing more than rabid anti-semitism or anti-Americanism.

4) Send out the cyber-goons to flood the article comment section with posts that explicitly state the same as #3.

5) Article has now become a propaganda tool to fan anti-Muslim hatred in the U.S.

There is actually a lot of TRUTH in the comments

Great for Yahoo's Yahoos.

same article at HuffPost

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/02/911-conspiracy-theories-r_n_747...

there are already 14 pages of comments. add yours!

A lotta Truth there as well.

A lotta Truth there as well.

OUR OWN TOD FLETCHER!

Tod Fletcher of Petaluma, California, has worked as an assistant to David Ray Griffin, a retired theology professor, on books that question the Sept. 11 record. He was cautious about the Iranian president's comments about conspiracy theories, suggesting Ahmadinejad may have been politically motivated by his enmity with the U.S. government.

"It seems like it's the sort of thing that could lead to further vilification of people who criticize the official account here in the United States," Fletcher said.

HP is censoring WTC 7

They have posted several of my comments but censor anything about WTC 7.
Very interesting.

They let this by:
grange 49 minutes ago (3:15 AM)

Most wars in human history begin with a false flag attack.

Vietnam : Gulf Of tonkin incident

WW2 - everyone knows that Hitlet burnt down the Reichstag in order to silence his left wing domestic political opponents.Less well known is that he told the german people that they were being invaded by Poland. Given the relative strenghs of the german and polish armies this seems ridiculas but the german people believed it.

There are far more elaborate inside jobs than 911 that include far more people that i do not wish to get into here but students of history are aware of them.

If you are unsure please research WTC7 , it was not hit by any plane but collapsed anyway.
How ? What was stored there ? Who benefitted ?

They posted this reply but deleted it in minutes.
Chris Sarns 30 minutes ago (3:25 AM)

FEMA chapter 5 page 31 [first report on WTC 7 - 2002]

"WTC 7 had a relatively small debris field because the façade came straight down"

"Loss of strength due to the transfer trusses could explain why the building imploded"

ETA: They seem to be loosening up, The posted this:
WTC7 did fall at free fall acceleration for ~100 feet thru NO resistance. But that should have been the path of greatest resistance. The only way that can happen is if all the supporting structure on 7 floors is removed simultaneously.

Many of the posters are getting very good at giving factual, conversational answers that just rip the standard fare of denial tripe.

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ETA: They changed the rules and now only those with a Yahoo account can post.

My favorite line

"Those who say the attacks might have been an "inside job" usually share antipathy toward the U.S. government, and often a maverick sensibility."

Indeed!

Mccain and Palin "maverickiness " ruined word forever

I don't want to be anything Sarah Palin or McCain wanted to try to be.

I never believed in cooties until Sarah Palin arrived.

And surveys show...

Do they?

In my understandig the media fears the question or polls alone, they shy off, there are just few, one of them paid by ourselves.
And: The last world wide survey did have loaded preanswers.

So why can't the media asks some peers:

Do you think the official explanation is the truth?

If not, why not?

Right now.

And not "Who do you think was behind it?": a El-Qaida,b USA,c Israel,d...,e...,f...,g... who did it, to create a set of answers who can overlap, have double meanings as Al Qaida maybe the culprit but a totally other organisation we think of, states that are never culprits, only criminal elements from it, and so on. Answers, that nobody can know for sure right now, if we do not get a proper investigation.