Regardless, the information they have just released appears very useful to me. Those of us who read blogs like this one may not be surprised at revelations of Pakistani ISI collaboration with the Afgani Taliban, but this is not something that is covered by the mass media outlets where many Americans still get their news.

Having this information put out there so starkly is bound to shake things up, which can be a good thing considering the complacency with which the war in Afghanistan has been regarded by much of the population. And there may be many opportunities to talk about why this kind of double dealing is going on, about how this country is really run.

There is a danger in the 9/11 truth movement of talking among ourselves while ignoring opportunities to talk to the general public about the societal framework that makes things like the 9/11 attacks possible. This may be one of those opportunities, and we should not let it pass by.

The latest wikileaks release appears to be directly targeted at Pakistan - at least that is the way it is being spun in the news.

911oz..... I think you're reading this wrong and maybe not reading enough alternative press - http://thenation.com http://truth-out.org http://www.globalresearch.ca/ . The thing that stands out in the reports for me is the huge number of civilian deaths caused by US military actions. I've started to read some of the reports http://wardiary.wikileaks.org/

Another thing is the duplicitous nature of ISI given its deep involvement with the Taliban. Remember it was ISI that forwarded money to Mohammed Atta. A high level ISI operative was in Washington during the time of the 9/11 attacks. The press will try to spin this in its typical corporate-military friendly way, but it's not going to work. Assange, for all the disparaging commentary he's taken here, does provide a haven for whistle blowers...the proof is in the pudding. The wiki reports are a direct repudiation of the nonsense reportage of Sebastian Unger and his foolish documentary...foolish because it paints a false picture of the realities of war, especially for civilians and the innocent. I predict that this series of leaks will spawn more leaks...and we do know where that will ultimately lead...

well said

also in the category of "lets keep our eye on the ball":

Where was the head of the ISI, Mahmoud Ahmad, while 3 skyscrapers were being blown to bits?

Where was the head of the Senate Intel commt. Bob Graham?

Where was the the head of the House Intel commt. Porter Goss?

Oh yeah, they were all hanging out together in Washington.

These "leaks" are just more propaganda with multiple uses and purposes. They will be used to send ground troops, (should say more gt's) into Pakistan. The grossly obese pigs slurping at the MIC trough will gorge yet further. And Wleaks gets more pub., maybe a little more street cred for the gullible.

And the honeypot goes sour. They have the werewithal,and after JA's comments the apparent intention, to be a thorn in the side of the truth movement.

Wiki purposefully gave the three major MSM papers - NYT, Guardian & Der Spiegel - two weeks advance look, so that they could summarize and spin the leaks. Now why do you give these 3 papers two weeks and why do these three papers work in concert to print stories on the same day, in coordination with dumping the material on-line? Does any of that make sense? ... except from a power-orchestrated context?

For those who say that Wiki, whatever its faults, is an improvement... you cannot make that leap. The proof will be in the Facts.

Here are a couple of Facts:

1. WIki is fast becoming the darling of the MSM - Assange just interviewed by Time Magazine. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2006789,00.html
(Assange is now more Mainstream than Chomsky - you think Chomsky is a positive difference maker too?)

2. Manning claims to leak killer material to Wiki that will embarrass US Government to no end. WIki denies it received such documents from Manning but admits it got the shoot-em-up video from Manning, and Manning gets arrested on the basis of this sensational video. Shortly after this huge leak to Wiki (the mother load), Wiki denies receiving it and releases its own mother load that is entirely controlled and spun by MSM.

3. The Wiki spin is distinctively to blame Muslim States. And America's biggest mistake, in the view of Wiki and its MSM supporters, is that America is sullying itself by associating too closely with Bad Muslims, instead of being more pure in its fight. This same argument was made by the Left during the Cold War, but it never stopped America from going hand-in-glove with Third World ruthless dictators.

4. Assange over-the-top slammed questioning 9/11. Now how can he do that with a straight face? He could easily dodge the question by saying that Wiki does not speculate or editorialize on information it does not have.

Think about it for two seconds .... if you are in power and you know you are going to have to deal with whistleblower leakers anyway -- do you want to be in control of that - or not? Please.

If you are going to be in control of whistleblowing leaks - then you have to establish some anti-Establishment credibility - and most people still believe that NYT, Guardian, NPR, Time and Der Spiegel will swing against the Establishment, given the proper chance. Now do you personally know that to be true or false? Please.

If Wiki is an arm of the Powers-that-Be to control Whistleblowers and to control leaking of info (where the Powers have all the Info), that is not a Good Thing. That is part of the Farce.

You cannot just sit back and say --- well this is better than nothing. You cannot assume a net positive here. Now if Wiki were actually a Farce and exposed as an intelligence Farce -- that would be very revealing to the Public, who finally learned to lose confidence in the idea that the Government actually watches over the Big Banks. Exposing such corruption does wake people up.

Right now -- Assange has all the appearances of being a complete Fraud. BTW --- notice his criminal conviction and arrest record. There is a long history of Governments making deals with talented criminals to work for them.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/story/index.html?story=/news...

New York Times reporters met with White House before publishing WikiLeaks story
The administration "praised" New York Times reporters for their handling of leaked Afghan war material

The US Treasury Running on Fumes: The Obama regime has made War the Business of America
Down to the last trillion in red ink

by Paul Craig Roberts

Global Research, July 28, 2010

The White House is screaming like a stuck pig. WikiLeaks’ release of the Afghan War Documents “puts the lives of our soldiers and our coalition partners at risk.”

What nonsense. Obama’s war puts the lives of American soldiers at risk, and the craven puppet state behavior of “our partners” in serving as US mercenaries is what puts their troops at risk.

Keep in mind that it was someone in the US military that leaked the documents to WikiLeaks. This means that there is a spark of rebellion within the Empire itself.

And rightly so. The leaked documents show that the US has committed numerous war crimes and that the US government and military have lied through their teeth in order to cover up the failure of their policies. These are the revelations that Washington wants to keep secret.

If Obama cared about the lives of our soldiers, he would not have sent them to a war, the purpose of which he cannot identify. Earlier in his regime, Obama admitted that he did not know what the mission was in Afghanistan. He vowed to find out what the mission was and to tell us, but he never did. After being read the riot act by the military/security complex, which recycles war profits into political campaign contributions, Obama simply declared the war to be “necessary.” No one has ever explained why the war is necessary.

The government cannot explain why the war is necessary, because it is not necessary to the American people. Any necessary reason for the war has to do with the enrichment of narrow private interests and with undeclared agendas. If the agendas were declared and the private interests being served identified, even the American sheeple might revolt.

The Obama regime has made war the business of America. Escalation in Afghanistan has gone hand in hand with drone attacks on Pakistan and the use of proxy forces to conduct wars in Pakistan and North Africa. Currently, the US is conducting provocative

naval exercises off the coasts of China and North Korea and instigating war between Columbia and Venezuela in South America. Former CIA director Michael Hayden declared on July 25 that an attack on Iran seems unavoidable.

With the print and TV media captive, why doesn’t Washington simply tell us that the country is at war without going to the trouble of war? That way the munitions industry can lay off its workers and put the military appropriations directly into profits. We could avoid the war crimes and wasted lives of our soldiers.

The US economy and the well-being of Americans are being sacrificed to the regime’s wars. The states are broke and laying off teachers. Even “rich” California, formerly touted as “the seventh largest economy in the world,” is reduced to issuing script and cutting its state workers’ pay to the minimum wage.

Supplemental war appropriations have become routine affairs, but the budget deficit is invoked to block any aid to Americans--but not to Israel. On July 25 the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, reported that the US and Israel had signed a multi-billion dollar deal for Boeing to provide Israel with a missile system.

Americans can get no help out of Washington, but the US ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, declared that Washington’s commitment to Israel’s security is “not negotiable.” Washington’s commitment to California and to the security of the rest of us is negotiable. War spending has run up the budget deficit, and the deficit precludes any help for Americans.

With the US bankrupting itself in wars, America’s largest creditor, China, has taken issue with America’s credit rating. The head of China’s largest credit rating agency declared: “The US is insolvent and faces bankruptcy as a pure debtor nation.”

On July 12, Niall Ferguson, an historian of empire, warned that the American empire could collapse suddenly from weakness brought on by its massive debts and that such a collapse could be closer than we think.

Deaf, dumb, and blind, Washington policymakers prattle on about “thirty more years of war.”

Paul Craig Roberts is a frequent contributor to Global Research. Global Research Articles by Paul Craig Roberts

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-south-asia-10774419

Bin Laden among latest Wikileaks Afghan revelations
27 July 10 14:21 GMT
Afghan civilians inspect airstrike wreckage, Kunduz, September 2009

New details, including reports on Osama Bin Laden dating from 2006, have emerged from 90,000 US military files leaked to the Wikileaks website.

Several files track Bin Laden, although the US has said it had received no reliable information on him "in years".

The details come as the Pentagon investigates who leaked the classified documents, in an act the White House says could harm national security.

Wikileaks describes the documents as battlefield and intelligence reports.

It says they were compiled by a variety of military units between 2004 and 2009.

In August 2006, a US intelligence report placed Bin Laden at a meeting in Quetta, over the border in Pakistan.

It said he and others - including the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar - were organising suicide attacks in Afghanistan.

The targets were unknown, the report said, but the bombers were carrying explosives from Pakistan.

Nearly 200 files concern Task Force 373, a US special forces unit whose job was to kill or capture Taliban or al-Qaeda commanders.

The records log 144 incidents involving Afghan civilian casualties, including 195 fatalities, the UK's Guardian newspaper reports.

'Damaging details'

The Wikileaks dossier includes an incident in June 2007 when the unit engaged in a firefight with what were believed to be insurgents. An airstrike was called in.

Seven of those killed were Afghan police officers. A further four were injured. The incident was labelled a misunderstanding.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the leak did not divulge anything new about the nature of the war in Afghanistan but said the details revealed could be damaging.

"[It] has a potential to be very harmful to those that are in our military, those that are co-operating with our military and those that are working to keep us safe," he said.

We must be prepared for the inevitable use of Wikileaks to marginalize 9/11 Truth. We have just witnessed the founder of Wikileaks speak disparagingly of the 9/11 Truth Movement. In the future, expect to hear something along the lines of, "Of all the thousands of leaked documents and leaked informaion provided to Wikileaks, NOT ONE has anything to do with 9/11. Don't you think that an operation on such a massive scale would produce hundreds, if not thousands of leaks? NOT ONE. These conspiracy nuts are living in a dream world filled with paranoid visions."