NPR Program Covers Resistance To Facts

I came across this today. It is the NPR program Talk Of The Nation from July 13, 2010.

The topic is a recent study addressing cognitive dissonance, beliefs vs. facts. They postulate that, even when confronted with the facts refuting their beliefs, most won't change their position on the issue. Ironically, I think there is truth to what they postulate. I, however, would like THEM to confront THEIR beliefs which are refuted by scientific facts and physical laws. They attempt to use this concept to bash several "conspiracy theories" lumping 911 Truth in their basket with birthers etc.., implying that all are refuted by the facts, or should I say "facts".

From NPR.com:

New research suggests that misinformed people rarely change their minds when presented with the facts -- and often become even more attached to their beliefs. The finding raises questions about a key principle of a strong democracy: that a well-informed electorate is best.

Guests
Dana Milbank, national political columnist, Washington Post
Brendan Nyhan, Robert Wood Johnson scholar in health policy research, University of Michigan
Alicia Shepard, ombudsman, NPR

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NEAL CONAN, host:

This is TALK OF THE NATION. Im Neal Conan in Washington.

We'd like to believe that most of what we know is accurate and that if presented with facts to prove we're wrong, we would sheepishly accept the truth and change our views accordingly.

A new body of research out of the University of Michigan suggests that's not what happens, that we base our opinions on beliefs and when presented with contradictory facts, we adhere to our original belief even more strongly.

The phenomenon is called backfire, and it plays an especially important role in how we shape and solidify our beliefs on immigration, the president's place of birth, welfare and other highly partisan issues.

Have the facts ever convinced you to change your mind, and how did it happen? Call and tell us your story, 800-989-8255. Email us, talk@npr.org. You can also join the conversation on our website. Thats at npr.org. Click on TALK OF THE NATION.

We begin with Dana Milbank, national political columnist for The Washington Post, who joins us from a studio at the newspaper here in Washington. Nice to have you back on the program.

Mr. DANA MILBANK (National Political Columnist, Washington Post): Good to be with you, Neal.

CONAN: And on Sunday, the Post published a piece you wrote that started with Arizona Governor Jan Brewer's claim that law enforcement agencies found bodies in the desert, either buried or just lying out there, that had been beheaded.

Mr. MILBANK: Yes, I think Governor Brewer lost her head on that one in particular. Now, there's a huge problem with violence on the border, but virtually all of it happens to be on the Mexican side. And what happened in the case of this claim is a news organization out there called the Arizona Guardian called all the coroner's office, the medical examiners in those border counties, and they could not think of a single instance of an immigration-related beheading.

I called the governor's office to see if they could give me some of this decapitation information, and they didn't so much as return an email or a phone call. So I suspect if they had evidence of that, they would have furnished it.

CONAN: And no updates since publication.

Mr. MILBANK: There is no reply still.

CONAN: There are any number of stories about the immigration issue, which is really hot right now, but border violence on the rise, Phoenix becoming the world's number-two kidnapping capital, illegal immigrants responsible for most police killings. The majority of those who are crossing the border are doing so as drug mules, and you say all wrong.

Mr. MILBANK: Yes, in each of those cases. Now, the drug mules was again Governor Brewer, and in the case of the number-two kidnapping capital in the world, that's being voiced around town on the various networks by John McCain.

So we're in this curious situation where the Arizona Senator McCain and Arizona Governor Brewer, vying to see who can repel the largest number of tourists from Arizona. So they seem to be attempting to do in their own interests.

CONAN: And the facts, as you suggest, are not elusive here. The issue about crime rates and the border counties has been, you suggest, exhaustively reported in the major newspaper in that state.

Mr. MILBANK: They have been, and the FBI keeps statistics on this, and the fact is that violence is flat to slightly lower than it was a decade or even two decades ago. But when this is pointed out, the President said as much in his speech, people get indignant, and they respond with anecdotes like such-and-such rancher was killed in March, or this trooper was shot in April.

Now, these things are true, but of course, the anecdotes don't by themselves don't prove that there's actually more crime than there was previously. And then the response to this story has been very much the same, just sort of, like, angry. They suggest that I'm making up the facts. But I just, you know, pulled them from the FBI website. Now, I guess the FBI could be making up the facts, but I don't know how far we can take this.

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Read the rest of the interview or even listen to it at NPRs website.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128490874

BACKFIRE- to avoid cognitive

BACKFIRE- to avoid cognitive dissonance?

"Mr. NYHAN: That's right. And what's interesting is in some of these cases, it's the people who are most sophisticated who are best able to defend their beliefs and keep coming up with more elaborate reasons why 9/11 was really a conspiracy or how the weapons of mass destruction were actually smuggled to Syria or whatever the case may be."

What they do not say is that most people KNOWING the "911 Conspiracy" arrived at that conclusion by examining facts.

Mr. Nyhan is backfiring

Of course 9/11 was really a conspiracy, even the official story acknowledges that fact. I can't help but wonder what sort of elaborate reasons Nyhan came up with to imagine otherwise.

Better to be ignorant than mis-informed.

If one is ignorant at least you have a 50-50 chance to be right. If you are mis-informed, you are wrong 100 percent of the time. That is why someone getting their "news" solely from mainstream sources can be so dangerous. If more people read "fringe" websites like me, they would have known that Iraq was not producing or stockpiling WMD right before our invasion in 2003.

Conan: "our brain is sort of hard-wired to leap to conclusions very quickly."

Yes, indeed. After 9/11 I believed, like practically everyone else, that it was done by Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. A few years later I went back and looked at the details. This caused me to slowly and painfully unwed myself from that belief. I certainly didn't jump to the conclusion that 9/11 was inside job quickly.

"A little Learning is a dang'rous Thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring:
There shallow Draughts intoxicate the Brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.
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Alexander Pope

Another paradox

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