Poll: 14% of Americans believe Bush "allowed" 9/11; 8% unsure
A recent poll by Public Policy Polling showed 22% of those polled either believed Bush allowed 9/11 to happen or were unsure. That same question revealed 38% of self-described "Liberals" either believed Bush allowed 9/11 or were unsure. 21% of "Moderates" and 16% of "Conservatives" held the same opinion.
Compare these results with other 9/11-related polls. A World Public Opinion poll from 2008 showed only 46% of the world believes al-Qaeda alone perpetrated 9/11; 15% believe the US government did it.
These polls demonstrate, more than anything, that the degree of skepticism expressed by the public reflects the framing of the question: the more open-ended the skepticism of the question, the more respondents agree with it. The most indicative of this trend is the 2006 CBS/NY Times poll about Bush administration foreknowledge: 16% said "telling the truth", 53% said they are "mostly telling the truth but hiding something", 28% said they are "mostly lying", 3% not sure.
Basically, people are very skeptical of the Bush Administration, but in the absence of a proper, independent, comprehensive investigation of 9/11, most people will not go so far as to say the US government played some specific role in 9/11.
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Best to NOT connect Bush with 9/11...
From my CI...Civil Informationing actions between 1-3 times per week and the resulting conversations with ordinary folk, I feel that the most critical charge against us is that we think that Bush did 9/11.
Here is how I see "Bush doing 9/11"...it is LOADED with PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY.
Its good to remember that alot has been learned by these criminal players with Watergate and the Iran-Contra Affair...aka...the absolute need for plausible deniability.
1. Prior to getting elected he made the point that if elected, he was going to invade Iraq...
2. Cheney then was assigned to find a VP and he found himself...part of the HI PERPS plan all along...
3. Rumsfeld was the Secretary of Defense...
4. Once Bush was elected, the HI PERPS...some in the Intel game...and some in the Military Industrial Complex..."knew" the above two points and began secretly developing the "how to invade Iraq...plan...
5. This needed a false flag attack and the development of associated MISinformation that would be spun by the Mockingbird media...
6. AND...as part of the plan, a first invasion of a country OTHER THAN IRAQ was needed in order to get the public to look past Bush's statement that he would invade Iraq if elected...
7. Of all the "known plans" of attacking the USofA, apparently the one that was allowed the most room to develop, helped along, to and reach fruition, was the one about airliners into buildings and the like. We know the rest of the story.
PLEASE consider my points here...
...they NEVER informed Bush about anything...plausible deniability regined...
...one of Bush's quotes: "Looks like I hit the trifecta..."
...Cheney is evil enough and in the perfect position along with Rumsfeld in place to "help" the tiny number of military-intel types to make 9/11 happen...
...Most people involved with the events on 9/11 were oblivious as to their role in allowing-helping the attacks to happen...they were just doing their jobs...jobs that were carefully selected and directed by one or two operatives in what I call: "The 9/11 Attacks War Game Scenario".
Nobody in their right mind would EVER give GWB the keyes to any type of important car...NOR...any info about such a nefarious operation...he's just another "puppet" in the White House. JFK was the last non-puppet...
So, please consider backing the 9/11TM away from, and begin denying that we think that: "Bush knew", or that "Bush planned it"...puhhhleeese...not that nincompoop! Its one fo our achilles heels...
Besides, lets take this thorn out of our side and go along with the second half of a soldier's oath:
..."to protect the constitution from enimies "within"...
Its the "enemies from within" that are the objects of our research...not this cokehead put into office BECAUSE of his comfort with being puppeted...
love, peace and progress...
Robin Hordon
Kingston, WA
Its one of our achilles heels...
I agree.
"Nobody in their right mind would EVER give GWB the keys to any type of important car..." No shit.
But I don't think the movement's early claim that Bush knew is all bad. It forced us and the public to investigate and answer the question for ourselves. We are now at a place where we can conclude that Bush probably didn't know in advance. We have a little bit of work unraveling our initial speculation, but the process will only make us stronger and more credible in the end.
We don't have to prove who
We don't have to prove who did it, to know that the 9/11 Commission was neither independent nor comprehensive.
Absolutely not
His whole family was involved, dammit. Jeb, Marvin, George Jr., and have you forgotten about the rap sheet of George Sr.?
People seem to want to insist GWB is stupid. (Or: that plausible deniability cut him out of the loop) This is a dangerous mistake, considering the fact that he might be playacting.
Everybody loves the all-American cowboy who misspeaks. Great propaganda, not reality.
Two snapshots of reality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw4Bhmm22xo
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2771
Presidents kill with impunity. The bush dynasty and neoconservative/intelligence/military elements who support them pulled this off. There is one anonymous (unverified) source who affirms this.
More Bushes and the dumb act
There is not only George W. Bush but also Jeb Bush and Marvin Bush and uncle Jonathan Bush. And then daddy George H. Bush. They are all interesting persons in this case and the father in a lot of cases like Iran Contra etc. That family seems to be very much deep state.
Who actually carried it out and who was behind it are two different things.
An innocent government would not have investigated 9/11 like the Bush government did (or let us say did not). 9/11 was probably a joint venture, but the government is responsible. Remember that Bush demanded Tom Daschle to limit the scope and the overall review of what happened.
Being not able to speak doesn't mean not being able to act. It is possible to be dumb - like a fox...
Remember what Pete Brewton wrote about Walter Mischer. «He tends to speak in rural cliche’s and ungrammatical good-old-boy homilies, giving the overall impression that he’s really not to bright. His non-threatening shtick of the country bumkin who came to the big city and outwitted the city slickers by being naïve and pure endears him to many Texans. But they know it is just a put-on. As one of his friends, Jerry J. Moore, the strip shopping center king and reputedly the richest man in Houston, told Forbes magazine, "He's the only guy I've ever met who has a better dumb act than me."» (The Mafia, CIA and George Bush, p. 2. (with the quote from Forbes "2% and friends" by Robert H. Bork, Jr., April 9, 1984)
Its pretty safe to say that "W" didn't plan it..
The idea and logistics probably came out of military inner circles like Operation Northwoods. However, unlike Op. Northwoods, this one got approved and probably not by "W" but by former CIA Director daddy "H.W." with his son hand picked to be the public face. Do I think GW Bush had forknowledge? I think he knew something because his behavior at the school refutes any "plausable deniability" on his part. He never spoke a word after being told "America is under attack", yet everyone at the school stalled. Protocol wasn't followed and his actions (to me anyway) seem to suggest that it wasn't supposed to be followed. There was no sense of urgency on anyone's part at that school that day and to me that just smells too fishy.
I agree that we shouldn't be promoting the idea Bush was behind it or anyone for that matter. Not the Isreali's, not Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan, or any particular radical or religious group. IF we ever find out the real truth aoout 9/11, I am most certain we will find out that they ALL had a hand in it in one way or another. It has been my experience that most truth lies in the middle somewhere and rarely at any extreme end. I do not think for one minute that those at the very top that approved and plotted this horrific act subscribe to any religion period; Not chritianity, judaism, or islam. They subscribe to a much different kind of thinking. One that uses money for power and control; and uses religion to divide and conquer. Religion is a tool, not a belief.
Together in Truth
Peace all
dtg
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"Above all, I would teach him to tell the truth. Truth-telling, I have found, is the key to responsible citizenship. The thousands of criminals I have seen in 40 years of law enforcement have had one thing in common: Every single one was a liar."
-- J. Edgar Hoover
Agreed with all on this thread...I'm just sayin'...
That the most often stated question to me in the street is if I thought that Bush planned 9/11. To further the point, just the way that the questions were framed in this poll automatically "presume" that one of our major points is that Bush planned 9/11.
Bush is part of the ruling class and was put into place by them to accomplish their goals...same with Obama...his job is to sedate the masses into thinking that he has really changed something. This is a traceable process over the decades...make the masses THINK that they got what THEY want...but really the puppets are stringed right to the ruling class.
Although the masses in the US are quite progressive on many issues, the ruling class and their "consultants" do what they must to keep the political balance as close to 50-50 as is possible. In this way, only a few millions of votes and a few key politicians need to be "swung" in order for the ruling class to replace governement.
If I told you that presidents of the United States have been elected by 30,000 people in Hillsborough County in souhern New Hampshire, you would not believe me...but this has been the case for years...with the exception of Obama. Barrack is a "pasty black guy" created from whole cloth by the ruling class because no matter what, they couldn't put up another "pasty white guy" for the White House and expect to trick the masses...again. Hence...the choice between Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama. McCain was never a serious player...the ruling class, who were well aware of the impending financial crises because they pretty much planned it, wanted to hand the mess to the Dems hoping to affect some of the imbalance noted above.
Anyway, regarding whether or not "Bush did 9/11"...had the questions been asked whether elements within the US governement planned or covered up their involvement in the 9/11 attacks, I suggest that the numbers would have been very, very different...and in our favor.
Additionally, I'm fairly sensitive to seeing the right wing spin machine do what it takes to have republicans crawl back into power and the like. To me, making note about the democratic biasis in this poll is a sure sign of this...and I think that 9/11 MUST remain politically nuetral. No dems...no repubs...absolutely NO LIBERTARIANS [they are killing our credibility]...no Greens...no Constitutionals.
If politicians or political parties want to endorse the 9/11TM, then let them do it all by themselves.
And, as we simplify our message to the public at large...allowing us to be seen as stating that "Bush did it..." ...is very, very counterproductive. We are exposing a corrupted and very dangerous system moreso than one or two individuals that are tethered to it...and controlled by it.
love, peace and progress...with:
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Robin Hordon
Kingston, WA
The government was responsible
If 911 had come as a surprise, the government would have handled it differently. Ergo, the government was NOT innocent.
If Bush was a puppet, it means that he was his own familys puppet. However, that is not interesting. The government is responsible, Bush is responsible, that is interesting. I think we better leave it to his lawyer to claim that he is too mental/dumb to be criminally responsible.
Elements in the government were perhaps not in the know, but the same can be said about the nazi government and that is not interesting. It simply doesn't matter.