To JS and LN,

Here is what I am thinking:

The quotes that have been commented on or objected to:

1. “Fundamental bible-believing people...” I included the quote because it spoke of a “one-world global society.” I sourced it to “Nebraska State Senator Peter Hoagland, speaking on the radio in 1983.” I can now add to that source that he was speaking with Pastor Everette Sileven at the time. Based on the sourcing, I consider the quote to be accurate. The quote was also criticized as “typical right wing propaganda.” Whether or not it was, I cannot say. It was, however, a significant statement that is consistent with the tenor of the article. Therefore, I have no problem using it.

2. George W. Bush I’s “New World Order.” The objection was, “Frankly, I don’t think he was serious." He sure sounded (I listened) serious to me. The other objection was that “NWO” means different things to different people. So what? Its still a NWO he was referring to. I understand different people may well have a different view of just what a NWO would be, but none the less, he used the term “New World Order” multiple times in a video recorded speech. I don’t care what his PARTICULAR vison is of a NWO. I included the quote because he spoke of a ‘NWO.’ Anyone can see him saying this, therefore there is no doubt he said it.

3. The Christian Science Monitor (CSM) quote: It was an editorial on June 19, 1920. I included it because (self-explanatory) it said: there is ”..... increasing evidence of the existence of a secret conspiracy, throughout the world, for the destruction of organized government and the letting lose of evil.” It was sited as coming from the CSM. I have since found out that it was an editorial in the 6-19/1920 issue of the CSM. I believe that it is an accurate quote and have no problem using it.

4. Winston Churchill, “...Earth a big endeavor....” I am unable to find an original source. Perhaps this one should have been excluded as it is not well known and doesn’t qualify as an “ok, commonly unsouced quote.” However, -- and this is a major point -- even if there is some doubt as to its veracity, that it in no way detracts from the main point of the article . The article’s theme is supported by MANY quotes. Any article on anything can have a point or two that the reader disagrees with without invalidating the entire argument or article; unless, of course, that one point, BY ITSELF, is a main support point, e.g., the MANY official story main supports for 9/11 -- you only need disprove one 9/11 support and the whole story falls apart. As to my diary, no ONE quote by itself comes close to being required to make the point or is a support on its own. Throw out any several quotes and the diary still holds together. And that is because there are so many and they are consistent.

5. Kissinger quote, Bilderberg Conference in Evian, France. Bilderberg conferences are private affairs but leaks from the conferences are known to occur. I therefore accepted the quote. I have since determined that it was claimed to have been recorded by a Swiss diplomat. I contend then, that it is more likely than not to be a correct quote and have no problem using it.

6. J Edgar Hoover, “ ... handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy ...” The objection was that he might have been speaking about a “communist” conspiracy. He was however referring only to “a” conspiracy and ANY monstrous conspiracy (implied in the quote) could therefore be monstrous enough that the “individual ... cannot believe it exists,” i.e., the quote STANDS ON ITS OWN regarding any especially monstrous conspiracy -- communist or otherwise. The quote therefore, is acceptable.

7. The “technocratic age” quote by Brzezinski: I was asked for the source. The source is his book, “Between Two Ages.” Therefore, assuming it is in the book as “sourced” by someone else, the quote is accurate.

8. JFK, “... foment a plot ...” I was asked for the source of the quote. I found a source saying that he spoke it a Columbia University. Another said he said it in a classroom at Columbia University. Another claimed JFK was not at Columbia University on Nov 12, 1963. So there is the possibility JFK never said the quote; at least not at Columbia University. Perhaps the quote should not have been included but it is not out of character for the types of things JFK has said.

9. William Casey, “... everything the American public believes is false.” The words were apparently contained in internal staff meeting notes from his first staff meeting. That is as good a source as many quotes. Therefore, I believe, the quote is acceptable.

10. H.L.Mencken, “ ... hobgoblins ...” : The comment about this quote was: “It seems to me that “Illuminati” are one of these imaginary hobgoblins.” There was no objection to the quote itself from H.L.Mencken, an American journalist, essayist, magazine editor, satirist, acerbic critic of American life and culture, and a student of American English. I do not see a problem with the quote.

11. JFK, “...Secrecy is repugnant.” I was asked for a source. the source; The President and the Press: Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel
New York City, April 27, 1961
It can also be heard on Youtube and the video, “Zeitgeist.” The quote is accurate.

12. Stalin, “its not who votes ...” The question is whether or not this is a ‘cute’ paraphrasing that makes it ‘ring’ in english; it probably is. There are two alternate translations that are likely for the same quote. While this is a very common quote, I should have used one of the more likely alternate translations. As this quote is very common and the altenate translations convey the same meaning, I say there is little likelihood that the quote -- at least in essence -- is incorrect. Therefore, there is no real problem with the quote. I will however, in a revised diary, use one of the alternative translations of the quote.

13. There was criticism of the use of the word “illuminati.” “Illuminati” was admittedly simply “cut and pasted” from the particualr quote I used. I should not have done so without at least more thought. I have no specific beliefs regarding the Illuminati and their existence today other than believing that it is most likely they survive in some form under some, or various, names. Indeed, from what I gather, there are those that still make the case for the current existence of the Illuminatti. Others make the case for their existence under other names, i.e., they no longer call themselves “Illuminati.” Either way, it is at worst, controversial. Given that, I don’t see how my use of the word "Illuminati" a very few times could be too objectionable. And apparently, James Warburg and Stalin had at least close ties to the lines of the Illuminati. I am not as certain as to Brzezinski.

The other criticism to the diary was the worry that I might be promoting “anti-jewish conspiracy claims.” I am, of course, not doing so.

What has gotten lost in this discussion is that there really are only a VERY FEW (three or so) of the quotes that are even reasonably questionable. Most of the comments were not about the veracity of the quote itself; the quote itself was accepted. There are about 78 quotes total. Nobody could reasonably dismiss the theme of the quotes based on three or so “iffy” ones. Even the “iffy” ones are reasonable given the person who said them and don’t seem out of character. Therefore, they are as likely to be credible as not. And therefore, it is not reasonable to delete the diary -- GIVEN THE number of VIEWS AND LINKS -- on the basis of a few at worst, “iffy” quotes. Therefore, I plan to not delete the diary and to post a few “corrections” (if you will) in the comments. And I will likely publish a revised, and even more accurate, version of the diary.

LN and John, what do you think? Is what I’ve said, reasonable? Let me know; I’ve been drinking.

LN and JS,
As you know, I have been asked to provide additional sourcing and comments for some of the quotes contained in the diary: I put the following in the comments at OpEdNews. (Sorry my responses take so long to post. Due to a past rules violation, all of my comments are reviewed before posting. Sometimes it takes quite a long time.)

1. “Since I entered politics ....” Woodrow Wilson, “The New Freedom,” 1918
2.”The real menace..../” John Harlan, in the New York Times, March 27,1922
3. “......... CIA .... policy making arm of the government” Truman, Dec 22, 1963, Washington Post.
4.”.... perpetuation of debt ....” Jefferson to John Wayles Eppses, 1813
5. “......... financial element .... has owned the government ....” FDR, in a letter to Colonel E. Mandell House Nov 21, 1933
6. “Fundamental Bible-believing people......” Nebraska State Senator Peter Hoagland, speaking on the radio with Pastor Everett Sileven, 1983
7. ” .... new world order... “ Pres. G. H. W. Bush, Jan 16, 1991 Announcing war against Iraq.
8. “... global system we are constructing.” Madeleine Albright, June 5, 1997 at Harvard University
9. “Today America would be outraged .... U.N. troops entered Los Angeles....” Henry Kissinger, Bilderberg Conference in Evians, France,1991. Claimed to be recorded by a Swiss diplomat in attendance.
10.”The technocratic age ....” Zbigniew Brzezinski, his book, “Between Two Ages.”
11. “ ...... brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other.” Myron Fagan, “Expose on the Illuminati”
12. “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete ....” CIA Director, William Casey as contained in internal staff meeting notes
13. “The very word “secrecy” is repugnant ....” John F. Kennedy, Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association, April 27, 1961 Also available on video.
14. “.......... increasing evidence of a secret conspiracy ....” This was an editorial in the Christian Science Monitor, June 19, 1920
15. “... Central Intelligence Agensy ... American Gestapo.” Truman, I was unable to properly source this quote.
16. “ ... foment a plot ....” JFK Supposedly made the reference at Columbia University or in one of its classrooms on Nov 12, 1963. However, I found claims that JFK was not at Columbia University that day . I cannot speak for the veracity of the quote.
17. Winston Churchill “... on Earth a big endeavor ...” Winston Churchill. I was unable to properly source this quote.
18. “Its not who votes that counts ....” Joseph Stalin. The quote is commonly cited this way but is perhaps a questionable translation.
Probably a better translation is: “Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
Those who count the votes decide everything.” Or, "I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this—who will count the votes, and how."
19. I have been unable to verify that Warburg, Stalin, and Brzezinski are, in fact, Illuminatti. However there appear to be strong ties to the lines of Illuminatti in Paul Warburg and Stalin.