Corruption of the 9/11 Truth and Justice Movement
The 9/11 Truth and Justice Movement is being infiltrated and corrupted. Right before our eyes.
It is being transformed from a valid, thriving grassroots movement into a questionable weed-rooted movement.
And the primary cause for these unfortunate events are the hijacking of the movement by so-called "New World Order" conspiracy theorists, which I will refer to as the New World Order Movement.
Once (rightly) relegated to the realm of "nuts", "kooks", and "conspiracy theorists", the latter in the negative use of the phrase, the New World Order Movement has begun riding the coattails of the hard work of 9/11 Truth activists and supporters, attempting legitimacy by association.
And by doing so, they are dragging the 9/11 Truth and Justice Movement down, and not only making it lesser, but causing it to stagnate in growth, power and legitimacy, and in some ways even regress to lower levels of prior achievement.
They are also corrupting the members of the 9/11 Truth and Justice Movement, through fear-mongering, a pandemic of hyper-paranoia, constant and relentless speculation of irrational doomsday scenarios, and a reduction of logic and critical thinking through emotion-based influences.
This is not who and what "we" are, but it is quickly who and what we are becoming.
Unless it is nipped in the bud, and steps are taken by us all to stop the spread of this dis-ease, it does not bode well at all for the once-great 9/11 Truth and Justice Movement.
There are those who will scream that I am wrong about this, and I hope that they are right.
But truth, reality, common sense, objective contemplation, and the like, suggest that I am more right than wrong about this unfortunate series of events. How right or wrong remains to be seen. But by then it may be too late, unless action is taken now by those who are able to see the forest fire among the trees.
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you can hop off your royal
you can hop off your royal high horse any time.... maybe when you get down from that saddle and pull your head out of your kuloo, you'll realize it was us New World Order exposers who exposed 9/11 from day 1
deal with it
And hop right on yours?
Your post is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
You can not only not see the forest for the trees, you can't even see the trees, and have no idea that there is even a forest there.
Thank you for helping to make my point.
As for "NWO" people being the first to "expose 9/11" at any given time, if you throw a thousand darts at a dart board, even if you do it haphazardly and randomly and carelessly, you'll hit the bullseye at least once.
Truly skeptical people are always pointing this type of thing out for supposed prophesiers like Nostradamus, but it applies elsewhere, as well. And especially so to the New World Order Movement.
If anything, you seriously hurt the startup of the 9/11 Truth and Justice Movement with your very early shenanigans and such, which I know turned off a lot of people to 9/11 Truth, and still does, and is still having an increasingly negative affect on the movement. Without all of the "crazies" (euphemism alert) coming out of the woodwork early on, there would have been a faster, greater groundswell of 9/11 Truth and things would have occurred much earlier and we wouldn't be so far behind now.
There is a major "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome involved with the New World Order Movement, and you are seriously hurting your cause because of it. And now your are hurting our cause, as well.
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
Are you nuts, disinfo, or both??? Those pushing for a "NWO"
are the super-rich elites & Neocons who enabled the 9/11 inside job! (You don't believe Bush/Cheney/Rove did it on their own, do you? They are merely front men or even sock puppets.)
The powerful criminals who want a NWO, a one-world government, are destroying the sovereignty of the U.S. and other countries through the fascism of using the military/industrial/banking/information complex against us! The 9/11 inside job was one of their greatest tools so far.
Moreover, you are confusing (deliberately?) terms like the "NWO Movement" with those of us who oppose the NWO! Stop it!
I think most NWO people are the "nutty disinfo agents"
And probably not one of them is "official", or being paid, etc. You are doing "their" job for them. For free. And you are very good at it. (in a typically haphazard way)
You are the New World Order Movement.
And you have been around for a VERY long time. Spouting the same ol', same ol' B.S. since anyone can remember. (people need to study their history, because we are being doomed to repeat it right now, again)
And, as I have proved and pointed out elsewhere, "they" are NOT "destroying the sovereignty of the United States." The so-called North American Union (NAU) is NOT going to make Canada, the U.S. and Mexico "one large country". (it is a simple trade agreement and economic treaty, not much different from GATT, NAFTA, and others, all of which I'm against, but it is wrong to represent it as anything other than what it really is, and, like ALL U.S. treaties, economic or otherwise, we will choose to break it anytime we damn well please)
You are your ilk spreading that disinformation around is doing more harm than good. It is fallacious, it is undermining, it is a lie. Period.
With your extreme inability to think logically and critically and put real, valid clues and evidence together to discover the truth of a situation, you people couldn't win a board game of "Clue" is your lives depended on it. If you ever want to play for money sometime, I'm up for it.
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
I have no idea
what the "New World Order conspiracy theorist" are but there is a criminal cabal of Reich wing Christofascist lunatics hell bent on world domination that is not exactly any secret. as far as this out of control "disinfo" mantra that so many in the 9/11 truth movement have been chanting for the past several months, now that is destroying the movement from within. Guess what? that is exactly what the few "real" disinfo nitwits want.
Even though those in 9/11 truth that are rabidly screaming "disinfo, DISINFO!" on just about every damn blog post on this site and a few others, in their mind they think they are doing the right thing.
Sadly however they are doing exactly what the real disinfo agents want them to do, even worse is when this rabid obsession & paranoia starts a domino effect which is the main goal of these disinfo nut bags. The domino effect takes place when say someone simply disagrees with said evangelical disinfo police and in a fit of paranoid irrationality you are now "listed" as a disinfo agent and they go around now screaming that you are disinfo.
Other ways the domino effect takes place is simple proximity, for instance Kevin Barrett is now "listed" by some of these paranoid evangelical disinfo police because of his association with Fetzer and being asked onto Faux Noise, hell many have been added to the ever expanding list solely because of being on Faux Noise.
Some get added to the list because of anti-Semitic views & on and on & on as the reasons to the be added to the list expand with the numbers of people innocent or not caught up in the wild eyed paranoia.
You cant even call an idiot an idiot now without bringing in the ever vigilant EDP.
In other words Mission Accomplished by probably just a small handful of actual disinfo agents.
That is basically PTSD thinking and behavior
You are right that extended periods of hyper-paranoia are causing people to not think clearly. That is what it does. And anyone who thinks differently doesn't know what the Hell they are talking about. Any psychologist will confirm that.
Extended periods of hyper-paranoia, hyper-vigilance, and other related stress factors, all combine and multiply the effects of each other, causing a Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (-like) situation in people, which affects the way they think, believe, act and react.
And people who are "into" the NWO stuff are much more affected by it, simply by definition of their "cause" and what they think and believe.
It all becomes very religious-like and even cult-like, which is what happens in those situations, as well. (especially in "cults")
And they do infect and affect the thinking and beliefs and actions and reactions of those around them. And it becomes increasingly worse the longer you are exposed to that sort of an environment.
And I believe that we are seeing the fruits of that now, and that it will continue to get worse. (and that is especially true for people who are in denial about it, do not understand it, are not fighting against it, refuse to believe that they could be affected by it, etc.)
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
"Even though those in 9/11
"Even though those in 9/11 truth that are rabidly screaming "disinfo, DISINFO!" on just about every damn blog post on this site and a few others, in their mind they think they are doing the right thing.
Sadly however they are doing exactly what the real disinfo agents want them to do, even worse is when this rabid obsession & paranoia starts a domino effect which is the main goal of these disinfo nut bags. The domino effect takes place when say someone simply disagrees with said evangelical disinfo police and in a fit of paranoid irrationality you are now "listed" as a disinfo agent and they go around now screaming that you are disinfo."
i just felt the need to re-post that. you couldnt be more dead on in your analysis of this.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Labelling people is disinformation
"Sadly however they are doing exactly what the real disinfo agents want them to do, even worse is when this rabid obsession & paranoia starts a domino effect which is the main goal of these disinfo nut bags. The domino effect takes place when say someone simply disagrees with said evangelical disinfo police and in a fit of paranoid irrationality you are now "listed" as a disinfo agent and they go around now screaming that you are disinfo."
Every day at 911blogger somone is being labeled. Shill, Agent, Disinfo Cop, Disinfo, MIHOP, LIHOP. These labels are for division, they are not for understanding.
9/11 Truth and Division: Disinformation, Agent Provocateurs, and False Adversaries
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/10/911-truth-and-division-disinfor...
What's needed is an understanding of what disinformation is, not a labeling of individuals. I don't believe in calling individuals "disinfo", I believe in critiquing disinformation. There's a huge difference. If people have called you "disinfo", they are wrong and they shouldn't do it, and they should apologize. They should explain why they disagree with you without giving you a label. labeling individuals is an ad-hominem--THAT is disinformation. Even a serial liar is capable of telling the truth once in a while, which is why we need to understand IDEAS, not INDIVIDUALS
We should have a right to criticize people, but it should be done without LABELS or name-calling.
Now here's my complaint. If you're going to promote someone who goes around calling hard-working 9/11 activists as "trained COINTELPRO professionals" without a shred of evidence (not to mention a holocaust denier) I have a right to question why these people are being promoted. I have a right to question why a holocaust denier is being promoted by an organaztion that supposedly is part jewish Alliance? Are you kidding me? Why shouldn't I have this right? Just as you have the right to criticize me. I don't have a problem with critique. I don't have a problem with people saying I'm wrong, or having a differing view than me. I have a problem with name-calling, which is exactly what you are supposed to be complaining about in your post.
Your point is completely hypocritical if you are going to engage in the very same name calling you are complaining about. I agree with you that labelling people is wrong, and people shouldn't be given labels. The ad-hominem is disinformation. Every time someone calls someone "paranoid" or "disinfo cop" or "shill" or "disinfo" they are engaging in disinformation. It's that simple.
You can sum up the problem with 9/11 activism in one word. Ad-hominem. The sooner we get away from attacking individuals (critique versus ad-hominem) for what they advocate instead of focusing on criticizing theories and explanations, the better. Criticizing people is fine if it is not done with labels. I'll admit I've made this mistake in the past (calling Fetzer disinfo on 911blogger, but not my site), but we can all learn from our mistakes and move forward. You won't find me calling Fetzer or Judy Wood disinfo a single time on my blog. All you'll find is analysis/deconstruction of their arguments.
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com
I disagree with your attempt at redefinition of "disinfo"
I'm not sure what your agenda is for attempting to redefine and expand the definition of "disinformation", but it doesn't sit well with me, and seems like disinformation in its own right.
Please stop.
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
I agree with both of you.
Please consider: Although many of the machinations and stiletto style of the Old World Order to subvert free will, liberty and justice have been doggedly chased, investigated, documented, analyzed and disseminated across the widest segment of population pie yet known... we are still very much dealing with a group of deviously clever types. Although the New and Improved form of "NWO" brand oppression may have been greatly hampered in their "movement" by the efforts of citizen based 9/11 study, "They" are far from defeated nor mortally wounded.
I do not know where from (nor care) about the tension apparent between the blogger and first comment... but grasping the implications of "hijacking" 911 truths, by turning it into momentum for yet another attempt at mastering the reins of World Order Brand control... is hardly something to be scoffed at... especially by those (we) tempted with a sense of some due pride for achievements against The Machine these last many years.
To look carefully with loyal criticism, at ALL the words of David Ray Griffin, Ron Paul, or especially Al Gore as example for what can be done by harnessing heart-felt concerns of all people yet hinting at ill-conceived governance toward repair... since the chance that such characters may have unsound solutions in store... loyal critique is a much needed dynamic from all of us.
Strange, (or not so from the perspective of six years of study in deep politics and powerful interests behind media, industry, currency, war and ecology)... strange that we here haven't shown better improvements in checking our ego at the door, or finding a stronger balanced voice of self-critique needed by 'inside truth movement' practitioners.
Keeping a VERY sharp eye on the possibility of truth's potential hijacking by the clever... is not unwise.
Keeping a VERY keen attention upon our own temptation for hubris combined with runaway paranoia... is also not unwise.
Best of luck to us all.
Should I be happy, or sad?
I see I was passed over by the original poster's comment review yet will optimistically take that as sign I'm at least not viewed as "Enemy of Truth".
Non-the-less seeing what's been said, I want to improve my own comment above even though "faults" were not specifically mentioned.
New World Order types, if there ever was an identifiable, tangible, namable group of "Them"... would not be, if ever, the target-able, vanquishable final enemy of humanity. In fact, the basic premiss itself makes some sense to the vast majority of common people who seek to be left to their own devices, travel the beautiful globe in relative peace, make friends, new loved ones, and even free and fair transcontinental and/or oceanic commerce. The last one actually sounds quite lovely if I do say so myself... so long as the caveat of free and fair (equitable) commerce is and remains the measure.
The hitch, is that there ARE a number of crafty sorts who've mastered to some degree or another, the means and methods of dressing up repugnant laws, restrictions, agreements, back door swindles and outright people-death... within fine looking clothes, fancy documents in bodacious signing pomp and circumstance for ongoing financial skim-scams of the highest order.
THAT kind of "Order"... makes nothing of the sort. Never can.
Yet the other kind of order for the world done with a newish kind honesty and peace... hasn't a lick of the scam potential as currently enjoyed by the crew on top. For that, whether "They" craft impressive carrots with all the warm and fuzzy words many of us may like to hear... "They" do have a stick, many 'ready to go', as/should we try and circumvent such anti-honesty.
Agreed, doughnut, the use of the warn out phrase "New World Order", is itself awash in both good and bad messaging neither side can much well decipher. But there IS one that holds sway today like the past, and another that wants and needs sway tomorrow.
Which will prevail? Beats me... both of them probably. And therein might exist a clue...
If the old order was and is just the same mix and match of human activity and occasional great confluences of interest... such as sparking profitable 9/11 Wars for profit's sake alone vs. human dignity battling back with all her worth and vast resource in internet and newer politicians... then humanity once again pulls out a win, if only by the skin of her teeth.
Yet histories' cumulative warnings must once again be brought front and center: If the 9/11 study and justice crew speared this latest Dr. Evil in the tushy this time and lays claim to the hill top... we best try our best once again to remember that Dr. Evil can re-manifest AGAIN within even the best and brightest of our future.
The spectrum of players in the latest game of head-on human-suicidal chicken, is wide enough to cover us all. We best not forget it... especially since "victory" is not assured, as Mr. Guess Who still hovers a finger over the rosy red "Blow-Up Iran" button.
"[The New World Order]
"[The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most
significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United
States to change it's perceptions." -- Henry Kissinger
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." --David Rockefeller
"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." -- Statement made before the United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. -- George Orwell
We are halfway there and it is happening by "CONSENT" of apathetic sheeple...End of story.
You are completely off-base, which is typical
The "NWO" that Kissinger is talking about is (supposedly obviously) NOT the "NWO" you are talking about. (same with Daddy Bush's reference) And to claim otherwise is simple fallaciousness. (but it looks good and sounds good and works for your needs as propaganda)
That supposed David Rockefeller quote can NOT be sourced as far as I know, and is NWO propaganda that is spread around like a disease, without even thinking about it or attempting to insure that it is a real quote before it is repeated and repeated and repeated.
And do you really have to go back to some obscure quote from some obscure person made in 1950 to make your point? (this is what I mean when I state that this "NWO" stuff has been around a LONG time)
And let's not lose sight of the fact that Orwell's book was fiction.
'Nice' of you to only claim "halfway there". Typically, people have been saying we are "halfway there" for almost a hundred years.
Can't you take a step back, take a deep breath, and attempt some real, open, unbiased objectivity and see my points?
I'm not saying this stuff because it's fun to be attacked by people (which I knew would occur) or I have nothing else better to do.
I think it is important enough to finally make the blog post I did. Hoping for some real, good, reasoned, thoughtful discussion about the problem.
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
It seems to me that the US
It seems to me that the US and really all nation states are being pushed towards more totalitarian systems of control as environmental catostrophe and a sense of real self-interest percolates through the masses. These power structures that we already have are simply faulty and naturally lead to more and more opressive forms of government.
So there really is a NWO, but it's not an order found on the power of one state, but rather founded on the power of the spectaclular economic, social, and political order that is the system of power and authority that props up every state. The problem with the NWO crowd is the same problem any fragmented ideologically based political group would have, namely they are attacking symptoms and misunderstanding the disease.
That's an interesting take on it
And somewhat similar to what I think is really occurring.
People who know a little about human psychology know that we naturally look for patterns. And that, in doing so, also look for connections. We have "Fact A", "Item B" and "Suspicion C", and it is natural to see some sort of a pattern there, especially if one actually exists, but also if it looks like one might exist, and then look for some sort of a connection between them to come up with some idea, or theory, or concept, etc.
The problem is that often people are mixing facts and suspicions and hearsay and other types of information and treating them like they are the same thing, especially, fallaciously, as "hard facts", and then using amorphous and oftentimes irrational and stretched connections, and as they do this, the resulting theory, or whatever, becomes increasingly less probable as a truth or reality.
And then some of those are used with others like them with other connections and so forth, and I see WAY too much of that in the New World Order Movement (and the 9/11 Truth and Justice Movement, as we've all seen), to the point where anyone who is looking at the information with any real openness, unbiased viewpoint, objectivity, etc., sees that what is being claimed really just isn't there.
And a lot of this stuff is simply complex interactions of all forms — political, economic, governmental, corporate, individual, organizational, etc., all just doing what they do — which always results in an end result, but not from some super-controlled super-conspiracy. It's just the way things work.
Not to claim that there aren't people and groups of various sorts also trying to do some things for their own interests and the like, pushing here, pulling there, manipulating when they can, etc. That is also part of the "system". Much of it is also accidental.
A very simple example (intentionally extreme for making a point) would be a group of beavers building a dam on a river, which causes the water to rise, which breaks the dam and causes flooding, which floods out your house and destroys it, and then you find out that your flood insurance was cancelled because you didn't receive the bill in the mail and forgot to pay it, and you find out that your mailman was on the local "Save the Beavers" organization which got the county to not kill them all, and the mailman's sister ends up purchasing your property at a low price.
Now, it is potentially possible that there was some sort of a conspiracy there, but probably not. More likely than not, it was just a situation that occurred because that's the way things sometimes work. However, if a person is hyper-paranoid, they would tend to see the conspiracy, and fill in even more facts and proof and evidence and theory and such, especially if they were prone to do that for any number of reasons.
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
My problem with the overuse
My problem with the overuse of the NWO phrase in general public discourse is that it sounds overly-conspiratorial to the naked ear, just as "The Illuminati" does (especially post-Dan Brown). I prefer the term Global Fascism. It's more specific and has a context that people can understand.
NWO in connection to the 9/11 truth effort also suggests that the REAL perps are such an amorphous, hidden group that any justice or accountability are virtually impossible. If that's true, why bother?
We may have a sense of what is packed into phrase after long study, but I don't think it sells well outside the confines of discussions between people who already get it. K.I.S.S.
Keep your CompassTuned
9/11 has become a catch-all for many ills of the modern age, but that doesn't mean that we can't continue to work for our own cause within this framework. Stay on target, work towards the goals that are important to you, but I wouldn't disparage the hard work of others who are discovering truth in a variety of forms other than "who pushed the buttons on 9/11?". A crisis can cut in several directions, good and bad, so who knows where all of this will eventually go?
Dougnut's Intentions Are Pure
I think the point here is to focus on hard evidence gathering, which I agree ought to be our primary task and then assisting each other in that goal. NWO folks may have their finger on the pulse of the problem but need to get specific and encourage or do, investigative work. On that point I believe Jeremey Scahil's good work on looking into the beast that is Blackwater is where we ought to go deeper. Write to you congress persons and ask for serious investigations into Blackwater and other mercenary agencies. You just might find the worm hole that leads to the dangerous dudes that wired 1, 2 & 7. That's what my gut is telling me.
sadly "Congress" both the Democrats and Rethugs
are totally corrupt and worthless scum so "writing your Congress critter" is just a useless exercise in futility.
What we must do is VOTE EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM, BOTH PARTIES OUT!!! ALL incumbents should be voted out ASAP.
Then vote in at least 1/3 or more Green Party, 1/3 or more Democrat & Independent and less than 1/3 rethuglican.
Also this treasonous piece of shit Bush that clearly stole 2 elections should at minimum have an asterisk * put beside his name because there is no way in hell that he was ever elected.
If Millions can agree to that for a stinking baseball hit by Barry Bonds then there should be 100s of Millions to agree to that for this criminal.
Pelosi needs to be Impeached she is a total disgrace.
Nunyabiz
The effort has to be made nonetheless. Also, wouldn't it be effective to hold "Truth" demonstrations in front of Blackwater headquarters? There's a group doing this (trying to stop BW's expansion into California)
http://www.stopblackwater.net/
This is excellent news...and
This is excellent news...and extremely necessary. Keep us posted! (in time I'm sure this theme will have upwards of 10 plus points) Blackwater, and the "mercenary movement" has long been neglected by truth seekers, for the most part. We should be keeping a closer eye on these professional thugs because they very well may have been the subcontractors (or affiliated with) who wired the 3 WTC buildings. We just don't know. What we do understand is that these bastards are by trade as well as in practice, above the law...know it, and are of a supremely arrogant sort. From what I understand they are highly paid...very, very bad, bad men who are certainly not concerned with upholding the U.S. Constitution. Katrina victims tend to agree.
Recommended readings
I recommend the writings at this evolving blog -
New York City activist
http://activistnyc.wordpress.com/
particularly this piece is relevant -
The recent growth of anti-Illuminism: Dreadful ideology about the dreaded Illuminati
http://activistnyc.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/the-recent-growth-of-anti-il...
"In both the antiwar movement and the 9/11 Truth movement here in New York City, I’ve often run into people talking about “the Illuminati.” In the antiwar movement, I haven’t yet run into this in any official statements by any leader or groups, but I’ve run into it a lot in informal conversation at anti-war rallies and at informal gatherings in restaurants after meetings. In the 9/11 Truth movement, on the other hand, a few of the major leaders and groups officially promulgate an ideology which has no official name, but which I will refer to as anti-Illuminism."
Tilting at windmills.
The New World Order, now just the World Order -- not being so new anymore -- is a description, not an entity.
It's also been called the "unipolar world" with US hegemony as its central reality.
Nutty sounding rants against the "New World Order" pretty much ensure you won't be taken seriously by the mainstream population. You alienate the majority.
There are far better, and more accurate and FACT BASED critiques to be made, rather than this hyperbole about the "Illuminati" "overlords." (Thanks for nothing Alex Jones)
During the Cold War, the "World Order" was fought out between two spheres of influence, the "west," and the "communist bloc." This was a bipolar world order, and thus serves as the frame of reference for the "New" world order.
It was in response to the fall of the Soviet empire that GHWBush talked about the new world order, that he hoped to lead. This isn't some occult satanic prophesy of demonic proportions. It's a basic restructuring of the power relationships between nations.
Of more importance it removed a major obstacle to western capitalist imperial expansion, and illegal wars of aggression. That's the true "new world order" which can better be described, by actually fucking describing it and not resorting to childish mantras.
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/
"This isn't some occult
"This isn't some occult satanic prophesy of demonic proportions."
Can you prove to me behind a shadow of a doubt that THEY don't view it in that context?? There ARE reasons to believe that they in fact DO think of it in such an...epic way.
Boo!
(sorry, that will stop being funny after awhile)
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
anti-Illuminism
TruthNow, what is your best evidence of the existence of an overarching "they" who mastermind just about everything and who do view it all in "occult"/"Satanic"/"demonic" terms? On the following two pages I respond to some of the more common kinds of claims along these lines:
The recent growth of anti-Illuminism: Dreadful ideology about the dreaded Illuminati
More about anti-Illuminism
Depending on what flavor of NWO-ism one subscribes to
The occult/Satanic/demonic 'thing' is a fundamental aspect of the "grand theory" if you really get down into the depths of the extended and extensive base causation and root basis for it all. That is, if you believe (in) that sort of thing.
In other words, if you are a New World Order proponent and you aren't an occultist/satanist/demon-worshipper, you ain't got game.
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein