Ron Paul on 9/11
From PrisonPlanet http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/250607_b_Paul.htm
See last video at about 2:35 :
Lee Rogers Interviews Ron Paul
www.roguegovernment.com
Monday June 25, 2007
Lee Rogers interviews Congressman and Presidential candidate Ron Paul about a myriad of issues in this interview. Lee discusses the following topics with Dr. Paul in this half hour interview.
Abolishing the Federal Reserve and the IRS, the restoration of honest money, the plunge protection team, the government standoff with Ed and Elaine Brown over the income tax, the broken health care system, abolishing big government agencies, the CIA/NSA, global government, the New World Order, the North American Union, semi-secretive organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations, American imperialism around the world, the billion dollar embassy being built in Iraq, the fraud of the global war on terror, illegal immigration, the move to tax and regulate the Internet by the establishment, the coming world ID system, the move towards fascism in America, the possibility of martial law being declared in the United States, the prospects of a new independent investigation into the attacks of 9/11 as well as the prospect of impeaching George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
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I know some of you are going to say....
I know some of you are are going to say that Ron Paul is perpetuating the myth that Osama was somehow responsible, but I don't think that's nec true. He supports an investigation to get to the bottom of what REALLY happened, and until said investigation happens, he's in no position to start deflecting attacks and suggesting 9/11-truth websites to the media, etc.
Isn't it enough that he wants another investigation that's not tainted by the same ol' stacked-deck of demons?
By no means am I saying anyone who doesn't support Ron Paul is somehow a traitor or un-American. All I am suggesting is that - overall - he is the best candidate for this nation to BIND the government down from being able to achieve another 9/11 - at least under HIS watch.
If the federal government were BOUND by the Constitution (especially the Executive Branch), a 9/11-type situation would be virtually impossible.
By the way, here's some info many of you may be interested in.
Ron Paul will be having a rally in Des Moines, Iowa on June, 30th. Here's the info on that:
http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/06/des-moines-iowa.html
Also, here's a huge list of Ron Paul links to various TV appearances (including the Hannity/Malkin/Fox attacks) and writings, etc:
http://forums.dmregister.com/viewtopic.php?t=31789
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They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics takes beating from Charles Goyette:
http://media.putfile.com/Davin-Coburn-of-Popular-Mechanics-on-Charles-Go...
Thanks
for posting this... Some might say that this is off topic, but as Dr. Paul explains, the unconstitutional monetary system in this country allows Gov to grow unchecked. When this happens the we get a gov that rules the people instead of serving them. If people want to prevent 9/11s from happening they need to focus on the root-cause of our problem. Hack the root !
i must have missed it the
i must have missed it the first time i watched it, but what did he say about Ed and Elaine Brown? and yes, i know many here think that Paul is just trying to play it safe with 9/11, but i sadly think that he really does believe that al qaeda alone attacked us. he even used the word "inept". egh. i still support his presidential bid but im not gonna lie, its always dissapointing to hear him perpetuate the myth.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
nonsense
he has stated how nearly all government investigations are cover ups. If he wins the presidency he will certainly do his part in providing resources and access to gov info for authentic and independent investigation into the mass murder of 9/11.
not nonsense
if you understand the sad fact that he will not win the presidency and thus should use his soapbox NOW while he still has it(this is a 9/11 board). but this is an argument ive gotten into too many times around here. i agree, IF he wins the presidency he would do his part like no other president probably would in helping us get justice for 9/11 but again, history shows and the facts of our corrupt system make sure that people like Paul dont win. remember, he has to win the primaries first and sadly the republican "base" thinks of Paul as a sort of traitor for even claiming blowback and voting against the Iraq war.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
By your own thinking -
By your own thinking - History shows that when a government conspiracy happens, the criminals goes free...
Sooooo why are you here again?
No disrespect but your reasoning is seems inconsistent and defeatist.
im here for 9/11 not Ron
im here for 9/11 not Ron Paul. correct me if im wrong, but this is a 9/11 board right? not to be disrespectful, but im only being realistic, not defeatist. big difference.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Your right, this is about
Your right, this is about 9/11, and one of the biggest hurdles is to change people's preconceived notions about what is possible, the idea that the US Government is possibly complicit in 9/11 does not fit into their neat little world.
This problem is endemic and manifests in how we as a nation participate in the one way we can exercise our power, our vote.
9/11 has caused me to grow personally, and allowed me to change the way I see my role in America.
To put it bluntly, if you don't believe RP has a chance to win, your only option is violent revolution, because without a person in power that reveres the Constitution nothing will change, NOTHING. 9/11 is a symptom of a deeper problem. Our government has become corrupt.
yes it has, so corrupt that
yes it has, so corrupt that its virtually impossible to get someone into the White House that isnt a puppet or worse. these are the facts right now and i would argue that our activism is more important than our votes at this point which is why saying we have 2 options-voting or violent revolution, is wrong. im not saying dont vote for Paul if he makes it past the primaries, im not saying dont campaign and push for him, i mention him all the time to people, im just being realistic. im bigger than my vote which in the end wont make all that big of a difference if any. my activism has done more than any vote has for me so far. i have hope that we can eventually wake enough people up and get enough people angry enough to want to change the system which will make it possible for people like Paul, people who are NOT bought off to run for and even win the presidency. this isnt the case right now and thats not being "defeatist", thats just being realistic. 9/11 truth is our biggest hope right now and voting is not our only option.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
It's not a problem...
Chris,
You're right, we have been over this several times, and I stand by my contention that the Ron Paul/9-11 situation is NOT A PROBLEM, so long as people push for both independently (for now). I just wanted to address one aspect of your comment. You said, basically, that since Ron Paul can't realistically get elected that he should use his soapbox to draw attention to 9/11 now. There are a few aspects of this argument which I think need some re-examination:
1. How 'realistic' Paul's chances are is up to voters. If enough push and work and persuade, it's possible. The media does what it can get away with, and if millions of people are supporting Paul they won't be able to just swat him away.
2. Ron Paul could use his soapbox now, but you assume that he would come out strong on 9/11. It's quite possible, I think, that Paul is suspicious but far from convinced about criminal complicity. Though I think he definitely suspects a criminal cover-up and a corrupt national system, I think Paul's overall temperance would incline him to hold-off on harsh judgments until he has more facts.
3. Even if Paul was 100% on 9/11 being an inside job, his coming out suddenly and publicly for it could hurt his momentum. That might sound irrelevant, since PAUL is not the issue--9/11 and the system behind it are--but it still matters. If and when Paul does draw attention to 9/11, his impact will be as great as his mainstream visibility and popularity. Since Paul's popularity seems to be growing every day, there's no reason for him to blow his load just yet. There's no doubt that 9/11 is not at critical mass, and Paul outing himself as a Truther would probably result in far worse blowback against him. Because of that, he should keep campaigning, and I think we should keep campaigning for him: if his popularity keeps growing, he'll be in a position to make MAJOR changes; and, on the other hand, if it plateaus, THEN he could consider drawing more attention to 9/11. But until he reaches his own ceiling, 9/11 will probably slow him down, if not stop him in his tracks (Since though Paul's base is composed of some 9/11 activists, the pool from which he will draw growth are probably much less informed about 9/11).
I think that clear's up the alleged dispute. Again, I don't think there's any problem, just two movements gaining lots of attention and ground that don't need to be fighting in any way with eachother.
-"Johnny"
and i respectfully disagree
and i respectfully disagree and think that its pointless based on history and the sad facts of our current situation to tamp down on or stop 9/11 activism in the name of Ron Paul or for his campaigns benefit. i pretty much agree with you when you say that Paul wont come out strong for 9/11, even if his campaign fails and he has nothing to lose. i would tend to think Paul should have more than enough facts about 9/11 to at least come out strong for a new investigation though, and i guess my main point is not that Paul should use his soapbox while he has it but WE as 9/11 activists should be trying to get him to come out as strong as possible on 9/11. how can we as 9/11 activists take advantage of his campaign? i dont want to simply "use" Ron Paul, i genuinely feel the country would get demonstrably better if he became president but i feel like since he has about a 2% chance of actually winning we should be thinking about how to use this to our advantage while we still can. i feel the best way would be to get Paul to come out stronger for a new investigation since as you said, it doesnt look as if Paul is that far out of the mainstream on 9/11, though he recognizes a cover-up to at least some extent. sadly he has been purposefully vague on the subject for the most part. we should be pushing him to be more vocal and less vague but i understand that this is where our main disagreement comes in-his actual chances of winning. this is why you want to seperate the 2 while i want to take advantage of them while we still can. i guess i feel like hes already reached his ceiling(or quite possibly passed it) while you think he still has a real chance. on this we will never agree but by all means keep campaigning for Paul, i know i will, i just dont plan on going easy on my 9/11 activism in any forum or for any candidate. i expect more from Paul than blowback, telling Rudy to read the 9/11 Commission Report and issuing statements distancing himself from "9/11 truthers" etc.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Smart Money gives him better odds...
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Is Ron Paul REALLY that low in the polls?
Or are those polls a bunch of bull?
Could Ron Paul's support really be this big? (GASP)
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They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics takes beating from Charles Goyette:
http://media.putfile.com/Davin-Coburn-of-Popular-Mechanics-on-Charles-Go...
WCAX NH = Associated Press minions
Associated Press lapdogs WCAX Channel 3 in New Hampshire along with the Manchester Union Leader and their NWO puppy Andrew Cline (who delets his own blog posts when confronted with the truth, including 9/11) continue to lie, distort, and slant the news about Ed and Elaine Brown and their positions. Both "news" outlets have relied soley on Associated Press propaganda for reporting local news. In addition, when their web sites allow for reader comments, they visciously censor comments that intelligently attack the AP drivel.
As can be see in the news copy below, WCAX and the AP claim the source of the story is the Concord Monitor. However, the story in the Monitor presents an entirely different picture of Ron Paul's comments and the Brown's position. Copy and links to both stories from the local NH media are copied below.
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WCAX
Ron Paul praises convicted tax evaders
Associated Press - June 26, 2007 8:35 AM ET
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=6709968&nav=4QcS
CONCORD, N.H. (AP) - New Hampshire's convicted tax evaders Ed and Elaine Brown have gained a new supporter: presidential hopeful Ron Paul.
In an interview with RogueGovernment.com, the Texas congressman compares the Browns to Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King Junior. He says the Browns are suffering like those leaders.
The Browns are holed up in their Plainfield (New Hampshire) home and have threatened violence against federal officials if marshals come to arrest them. They were convicted of an elaborate scheme to hide millions of dollars in income. Their protest has become a rallying cry for anti-tax activists and militia members.
On the Net:
http://roguegovernment.com/
Information from: Concord Monitor, http://www.cmonitor.com
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Browns commended for civil disobedience
By Margot Sanger-Katz
Monitor staff
June 26. 2007 8:00AM
http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070626/REPOSITORY/7...
Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has compared Plainfield tax fugitives Ed and Elaine Brown to Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr.
In an interview with Lee Rogers, who runs the website roguegovernment.com, Paul expressed his sympathy for the couple, who have been holed up in their hilltop home for several months, threatening violence if marshals come to arrest them.
The Browns have each been sentenced to 63 months in prison for crimes related to their refusal to pay federal income taxes for nearly 10 years. The Browns contend that there is no law compelling Americans to pay income taxes.
Paul, a Texas congressman who has campaigned on promises to lower taxes and rein in the Federal Reserve, said the Browns' civil disobedience should be commended.
"People who point this out and fight the tax code and fight the monetary code are heroic," he said in a video that's been linked to several pro-Brown websites. "I compare them to people like Gandhi, who was willing to speak out and try to bring about change in a peaceful manner. Martin Luther King fought laws that were unfair and unjust, and he suffered, too."
Margot Sanger-Katz This article is: 0 days old.
Of course, the Associated Press is a propaganda machine for the globalists. From "The Police State Roadmap":
"The Rockefellers took over the Morgan empire, and in the 1950s
they had one of their pharmaceutical company directors and publisher of the
New York Times, Arthur Hays Sulzberger, appointed as Director of the Associated
Press. They also owned the trend setting magazines Time, Life, Fortune, and
Newsweek.(22) Laurance Rockefeller was a director of The Reader's Digest, a
barometer of orthodox thinking, especially on the medical issues in which his
family had enormous financial interests. (23)"
23. Dr Leonard G. Horowitz, Death In The Air, Tetrahedron Publishing Group, 2001 p.364.
See http://www.tetrahedron.org/index.html
The Police State Roadmap
Download it free here:
http://www.policestateplanning.com/id19.htm
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
Here's more...
AP Smears and Sneers at Browns Yet Again
Claims family engaged in "elaborate scheme" to hide tax when all they asked for was the law
Paul Joseph Watson / Prison Planet | June 27, 2007
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/270607_ap_smears_browns.html
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
Taking us for granted...
It seems Ron Paul sees no evidence that 911 was anything else but incompetence and a new investigation would probably be useless since it's hard to get get the right people to do it, even if he was president...
How this Guy ever became the Hero of the truth movement is beyond me.
There is a flip side to Ron Paul that is truly disturbing, such when he makes statements that government supported health care has always failed, it seems that government can do no right and the so called free market is the solution to all our problems, I'm sure the corporate controlled media will appreciate his outlook.
He even seems to back away from wanting to abolish the federal reserve, preferring instead to bring gold and silver into the equation so that the rich can unload the worthless paper dollar and leave us holding the bag...
Andrew,
Have you read G. Edward griffin's book The Creature From Jekyll Island?
Even if it meant never ever paying another dime in federal income tax, what federal government service that you currently receive would you be so hard pressed to give up that you would continue to pay a tax you don't even owe in the first place?
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
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The Federal Income tax is illegal and all of this tax goes to pay the interest on the depth , It's a transfer of the wealth of the working class to the Bankers of the illegal Federal Reserve, it has nothing to do with government or services to the public.
Actually Andrew, the FIT is legal and constitutional.
While you are correct where it comes to the actual distribution of the FIT, it is legal and applies ONLY to Foreign corporations, non-resident aliens, among others. From the list of those to whom it applies, conspiculously missing is the incomes of most American Citizens living and working INSIDE the united States.
The problem with it however, is that it is fraudulently misapplied as an unapportioned direct tax upon labor that Americans exchange for some form of renumeration and is not taxable under the Constitution.
Sadly, no one wants to read and study the Constitution anymore.
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
John Birchers
Do you know that G. Edward Griffin is a member of the John Birch Society?
PJ
Ann Arbor Truth and Freedom
http://www.annarbor911truth.com
*My Views Do Not Necessarily Reflect The Views of The Group I Am A Part Of
What's wrong with that?
The John Birch Society is virtually the ONLY organization that was warning against the globalist elite during the dark days of the 60s, 70s and 80s before the alternative media took off.
By the way, the globalist elite ARE the same ones who carried out 9/11.
The John Birch Society also finally figured out that Communism was being financed by the West in order to help bring about a New World Order.
Some people consider them some "right-wing whacko, fringe group", but the left/right paradigm is false, and all of you on this board should know that to be the case. The Birch Society doesn't pander to left/right, but instead, they judge things as to whether they're constitutional or not.
Check them out:
www.jbs.org
By the way....i admit I do have one problem with the JBS. They did not jump on the 9/11 Truth freight train as the info was unfolding. They were scared their reputation was going to be scarred because they DO talk about conspiracies, but they didn't want a thousand different views on 9/11 discrediting themselves. I THINK they have since started coming ot with approval of films such as "9/11: Press For Truth" and a few others.
I actually wrote them and gave them hell about their position on 9/11 being an inside job.
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They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics takes beating from Charles Goyette:
http://media.putfile.com/Davin-Coburn-of-Popular-Mechanics-on-Charles-Go...
What, are you pro-KKK, too?
Give me a freaking break!
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Forensic 9/11ologist
http://www.chico911truth.org/
R( \ )n P( \ )ul 2( \ )08 ==> A Woman's Right To Choose Is Sacrosanct!
Ad hominem - no substance
What does that even mean?
Why on earth would you make a KKK comparison like you did?
Please explain how the JBS has ANYthing to do with racism or the KKK.
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They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Ron Paul explains postion on 9/11 on FMNN's Pat Gorman Show - 6-21-07:
http://media.putfile.com/Ron-Paul-Explains-Position-on-911---6-21-07
Davin Coburn of P
No, it's a statement of true fact
It's why people talk about "Birchers and Klanners and others, Oh, my!"
Here is one relatively fair (although not expansive) and I think truthful description of JSB:
The Society's anti-communism and states rights libertarianism was based on sincere principles, but it clearly served as a cover for organizing by segregationists and White supremacists. How much of this was conscious, and how much unconscious, is difficult to determine. That the Birch Society clearly attracted members with a more hate-filled (even fascistic) agenda is undeniable, and these more zealous elements used the JBS as a recruitment pool from which to draw persons toward a more neonazi stance on issues of race and culture.
Your mileage may vary.
(I've known many "Birchers" and they are (generally and almost always) not "good people" by any decent definition)
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Forensic 9/11ologist
http://www.chico911truth.org/
R( \ )n P( \ )ul 2( \ )08 ==> A Woman's Right To Choose Is Sacrosanct!
Where in the Constitution?
Andrew said:
"There is a flip side to Ron Paul that is truly disturbing, such when he makes statements that government supported health care has always failed, it seems that government can do no right and the so called free market is the solution to all our problems......."
Andrew, I can understand your dilemma regarding his 9/11 stance, but please tell me where in the Constitution does it authorize the FEDERAL government to be involved with health care?
All of these extra-Constitutional areas the feds have gotten themselves involved with over the past 70-100 years has not only bankrupted us beyond return, but also created a police-state of which the states/individuals have virtually no control anymore.
I offer two simple questions:
Has the Tenth Amendment been repealed?
If not, can bogus legislation and/or bogus legal decisions override any or all of the Constitution/Bill of Rights?
For everyone's scrutiny, here's the 10th Amendment in all its glory:
“ The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people. ”
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They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics takes beating from Charles Goyette:
http://media.putfile.com/Davin-Coburn-of-Popular-Mechanics-on-Charles-Go...
Ridiculous and Absurd
"All of these extra-Constitutional areas the feds have gotten themselves involved with over the past 70-100 years has not only bankrupted us beyond return, but also created a police-state of which the states/individuals have virtually no control anymore."
That's just a self-embarrassing statement of absolute fallacy.
You apparently have no real concept of the way things work and how we got where we are today.
It's a good propaganda statement if you can get people to accept it and believe it, though.
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Forensic 9/11ologist
http://www.chico911truth.org/
You must support Government taking care of you cradle to grave
simply put, "A government large enough to give you everything is a government large enough to take it away." Ron Paul doesn't want zero government involvement in peoples lives. He believes strongly the STATE Governments & People should be involved & NOT Federal Government. State Governments should be involved in the peoples lives because the people have stronger influence in State Government. Federal Government has no business other than Military Protection and protecting the Constitution. We have to separate the ideology by stating correctly RP is not an advocate of large powerful Federal Gov. but does advocate State Gov. making their own choices in personal matters. Where we are today is in debt billions of dollars because of out of control spending. The more the Fed Gov. has to spend the more taxes they have to take. Federal Gov. should stick to the Constitution and State Gov. should stick to the particular states citizens. Ron Paul is the only candidate accepted by both Republican & Democrat alike because in our hearts we know what he says is true whether you believe it's propaganda or not the message is true. Anyone who says these statements are wrong must advocate a large Government who can commit acts of terror on its own people because the power of the people is now inferior. "When people fear their Government there is tyranny. When Government fears the people there is liberty." Grow a backbone and stand up for whats right and stop trying to insult people here as if we are uneducated. Perhaps you remember even a teacher can always learn and you may not know everything yourself.
ok, but I'm from a small
ok, but I'm from a small state called Denmark, and trust me, they are able to control people's lives just fine.
git yer head out of...
...yer doughnut hole.
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
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The constitution was written in the horse and buggy days, when most people had large family s and lived on farms, it should be respected, but it's not supposed to be dogma, are you suggesting for example that air travel should be managed by 50 different states ?
The US is the only country in the developed world without universal health care, and by all evidence it is much closer to a police state than all the others, so I don't follow your logic.
The truth is that you don't have any government, what you have here is an extension of corporate power. The problem is the concentration of wealth and power in in private hands, not government. Remember...government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth,
There you go...
...putting words in my mouth.
"The constitution was written in the horse and buggy days, when most people had large family s and lived on farms, it should be respected,..."
I agree. Particularly by the institution, and those it employs, to whom it applies...THE FEDERAL GOVERNMNT.
"... but it's not supposed to be dogma, ..."
I agree, it is not dogma or doctrine. However, neither is the Constitution just a piece of paper, Andrew. IT IS THE LAW!
"...are you suggesting for example that air travel should be managed by 50 different states?"
Do you mean kinda like the way it is done over that huge land mass known as Europe and Asia and comprising numerous "states"?
No. Actually, I never said anything about commercial air travel at all. But since you have brought it up and appear to be as clueless as 99% of the American people, I suggest that you look into the term "interstate commerce" for clarification. Start by reading the Constitution. Interstate commerce is regulated by the federal government by authority granted in the Constitution.
"The US is the only country in the developed world without universal health care,..."
DO you have any evidence that would tend to support tha idea that universal health is the panacea for everything tha ails us? Mandating universal health care to be managed by the federal government by legislative fiat is not an area within the scope of the authority to legislate that CONgress has been given by the Constitution. Once again, I suggest that you try reading the Constitution sometime. Really.
And, since you are interested in universal, one-size-fits-all unless you are part of the ruling elite healthcare you might want to be on the look out for a new film coming out soon. Here's a preview:
http://www.sickandsickermovie.com/
".. and by all evidence it is much closer to a police state than all the others,..."
Duh!
"... so I don't follow your logic."
That doesn't surprise me. Could it be that you are too lazy to read and study the Constitution? The Constitution is a product of the logic of those men who wrote it late in the eighteenth century. That is the logic that I try to follow and understand because its so, uh, uh, logical.. Try it sometime. You'll like it!
"The truth is that you don't have any government, what you have here is an extension of corporate power. The problem is the concentration of wealth and power in in private hands, not government.
Duh!
"Remember...government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth,..."
Ummmmmmmmm,... I know, I know! Lincoln, The Gettysburg Address November 19, 1863, right?
That this union "shall not perish from the earth" was Lincoln's idea, not the founders. Don't believe it? Try reading the Declaration of Independence sometime. Lincoln enforced his insane idea just like a good tyrant would, at the point of a sword, kinda, sorta, just like the mafia, the IRS, the BATF, ...federal alphabet goonsquads ad nauseum. And so, was the official beginning of the idea of an omnipotent federal government, the end of States Rights (soon to be the end of Individual rights), and the birth of the police state, which will soon be an adult with a life of its own.
Just so you know, the War of Northern Aggression began over the issue of the looming loss of federal revenue that would have occured had the South voluntarily left a union, the same union in which they had voluntarily joined in the first place. It wasn't an abhorance of slavery that caused Lincoln to willingly orchestrate the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Americans. It was thirst for MONEY and POWER. Abolition of slavery was used to keep France and England form entering the war.
"Remember...government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth,..."
"Oh Yeah, says who", say those who KNOW that you don't know what your Rights are and that, like most, are too lazy to even read the rule book that they are required to follow.
You can't possibly defend your Rights if you don't know what they are. And, you only have those Rights that you are willing to defend.
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
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THIS JUST IN - RON PAUL ON CAVUTO !!!
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Ron Paul schools Fox's Neil Cavuto on taxes/IRS:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1ZnzGredcIs
Ron Paul on Neil Cavuto Show 6-26-07
It always backfires on these spinmeisters when they try to trip up the master.
Wolves like Cavuto are the reason 9/11s are allowed to happen and they then get away with it.
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They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics takes beating from Charles Goyette:
http://media.putfile.com/Davin-Coburn-of-Popular-Mechanics-on-Charles-Go...
From the Republican Debates
"Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years... I'm suggesting we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it. And they are delighted that we're over there because Osama bin Laden has said: I am glad you're over on our sand because we can target you so much easier." -Ron Paul
GROUPTHINK
I hate to say it but the groupthink is rampant on this board concerning the Presidential election. You all need to read the freaking Constitution and realize that YOU DO NOT select the President. PERIOD. Electors who are selected by the Legislature of each state choose the President. You all should be ranting and raving about local individuals running for the House of Representatives. When you cast votes those are the ones that count.
Stop being #@#ing sheep and bah'ing over Ron Paul. I've supported him for years but AFTER having read the Constitution I know that voting for him is the same as voting for what color you like best. It means nothing!
You're 100% wasting your time ranting about him. You need to put the time and energy you are using discussing him towards discussing honest individuals running to be your local House of Representative members.
Get honest people into the Congress and you can get rid of the weasle's that are playing the left/right paradigm.
Please get a clue people. YOU DO NOT DECIDE PRESIDENT.
ARTICLE 2 SECTION 1 and AMENDMENT 12 -----> DURRRRR Read it you sheep!
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
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and based on my comments
and based on my comments here im sure you dont include me in your rant :-) i want Paul to win too but have no illusions about our broken system.
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Whitey, you have a valid point
I agree that congress overall IS the key.
But concerning whether or not we can play a part in getting Ron Paul elected, you are mostly correct with how the Electoral College works, etc.
But, individuals can still try to get themselves elected as delegates at the local level after the primary election (you have to be registered Republican in most states to vote for him in primaries), and THEN try to move up to becoming a delegate at the nomination for the Republican Party.
I don't know all the facts about this yet because I'm still learning myself, but don't let anyone tell you that you shouldn't work to try to propel someone as important as Ron Paul into the national spotlight. His views on individual liberty and adherence to the Constitution have been an absolute Godsend with these debates and subsequent news stories and interviews.
Here's an article by the heroic Devvy Kidd regarding becoming a delegate: (I highly doubt she would use Tancredo's name anymore)
"BEFORE TANCREDO OR RON PAUL CAN GET ELECTED"
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd251.htm
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They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics takes beating from Charles Goyette:
http://media.putfile.com/Davin-Coburn-of-Popular-Mechanics-on-Charles-Go...
Glad to finally see...
...others picking up on this!
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
delegates
I suggest working with supportive "pre-existing Republicans" to make them into delegates rather than have "newbies" with the ink still wet on their "R" registration forms trying to get into these positions. As a longtime Republican myself, I predict less friction within the party if more "established" R's go for those positions.
Of course, if you can't find any supporters already in place in your local party, then DIY. I certainly back you on that, 100%. Just trying to help make things smooth wherever possible.
BTW, this is still a 9/11 board, not a RP board, right? ;-)
Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"
Ron Paul supports victim families' demands
From a recent interview:
Muckraker Report: Last February, I published an article at the Muckraker Report called “9/11 Widows Keep on Asking the Tough Questions,” in which I interviewed four out of five of the “Jersey girls,” the 9/11 widows who spearheaded the drive to form the 9/11 Commission. In that article, Lorie van Auken calls the 9/11 Commission Report a “pathetic excuse of a report,” in which “seventy percent of our questions went unanswered.” Widow Monica Gabrielle had this to say: “Addressing all these unanswered questions out there is about more than simply trying to quell conspiracy theories. It’s about making sure Americans are safe by revealing the unfettered truth about the failures. Because you can’t make recommendations on distortions, omissions, and half-truths, which is basically what the 9/11 Commission did.” As president, would you be in favor of reopening investigation into the 9/11 attacks?
Congressman Ron Paul: If the 9/11 families aren’t satisfied with the results of the 9/11 Commission, then neither am I. I’m in favor of an independent investigation, provided costs are kept in check.
My suggestion is to make this our 9/11 truth movement message to Ron: just give us subpoena power and we'll take it from there. I suspect that once a new investigation with subpoena powers and 9/11 family members (and first responders!) on board was announced, the funding would materialize very easily, and would continue coming in as results accumulated -- and they would.
(If I'm misunderstanding the investigation process and there's more to it, feel free to educate me. I'm by no means an expert.)
Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"
Ron Paul audio of his 9/11 position
I also added it to my signature, but here's Ron Paul's position on 9/11 from his interview on the Pat Gorman Show from 6-21-07:
http://media.putfile.com/Ron-Paul-Explains-Position-on-911---6-21-07
Don't worry. It's not the enire show. I edited the above down to 7 minutes.
If anyone is interested in the original link to this archived show, here ya go:
http://www.freemarketnews.com/pat-gorman-Archive.asp?rid=850
You MAY have to sign up to listen to archived shows....not sure.
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They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Ron Paul explains postion on 9/11 on FMNN's Pat Gorman Show - 6-21-07:
http://media.putfile.com/Ron-Paul-Explains-Position-on-911---6-21-07
Davin Coburn of P
Audio of Ron Paul about 9/11
I edited this down to just this particular call:
Ron Paul explains postion on 9/11 on FMNN's Pat Gorman Show - 6-21-07:
http://media.putfile.com/Ron-Paul-Explains-Position-on-911---6-21-07
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They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Ron Paul explains postion on 9/11 on FMNN's Pat Gorman Show - 6-21-07:
http://media.putfile.com/Ron-Paul-Explains-Position-on-911---6-21-07