Biden Admits Post-9/11 Meeting With Hijackers' Financier, in WeAreChange Confrontation
Can't wait to see the video for this one. Apparently, We Are Change confronted Biden and other Dems recently:
"We Are Change group questions Senator on details of confab with Pakistani general.
Presidential candidate Senator Joe Biden admitted meeting with the chief financier of the 9/11 hijackers in the days after September 11 after being confronted by We Are Change founder Luke Rudkowski in the press room following Sunday’s Democratic debate in New Hampshire.
According to the FBI and as confirmed by various news reports at the time , Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmad instructed Omar Saeed Sheikh, the alleged assassin of Daniel Pearl, to wire $100,000 to alleged lead hijacker Mohammed Atta in the summer of 2001.
Arriving exactly one week before 9/11, the general met with Pentagon, White House National Security Council and CIA officials, including George Tenet and Marc Grossman, then U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs.
On the very morning of 9/11, Ahmad was at a breakfast meeting on Capitol Hill hosted by Senator Bob Graham and Rep. Porter Goss, the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence committees.
Two days after the attack on the twin towers and the Pentagon, on September 13th, Senator Joseph Biden, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, met with the ISI chief.
No adequate explanation has been forthcoming as to why top government and intelligence officials were meeting with the money man behind the alleged hijackers before and after 9/11.
Shortly after the Democratic debate had finished on Sunday, Prison Planet reporter Rudkowski was able to get access to the CNN spin room and confront presidential candidate Biden about his 9/11 meeting with the Pakistani General.
Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmad.
“We asked him the question - what was he doing with the head of the Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmad,” said Rudkowski.
“He told me - he admitted that he met with him - he met with the head of the Pakistani ISI - he said I told them not to do it, I told them not to wire the money - I told them to stop supporting the Taliban, which shows he had foreknowledge of them supporting him.”
“I told him - sir, he funded the hijackers, you did business with him, you let him go - he’s free,” said Rudkowski, to which Biden responded, “Get a life kid,” after which Rudkowski was pushed away by Biden’s security staff.
Biden’s comments demand immediate explanation and an investigation into why Mohammed Atta’s chief financier was allowed to leave the United States without even being questioned by authorities after having met with top Bush administration and other public officials.
The We Are Change organization, who made headlines for their recent head-to-head with Rudy Giuliani , were also busy speaking truth to power and confronting other high profile figures during their visit to New Hampshire.
Rudkowski said the event was packed with Ron Paul supporters and 9/11 truthers, outnumbering everybody besides Obama and Clinton acolytes.
The group confronted Bohemian Grove members Bill Richardson and David Gergen at the event, causing Richardson to run and leave the building, while Gergen attempted the laugh the subject away before the subjects of male prostitution at the Grove and Molec was mentioned, at which point Gergen also hurriedly left.
Another member of the group, Nate Evans, confronted Hillary Clinton at a fundraiser in New York, calling her “Queen Hillary” and was immediately assaulted by secret service, physically thrown out of the event and chased away.
Clinton was also asked about 9/11 and her association with the Bilderberg Group but completely ignored the questions.
Video footage from all the confrontations will be made available in the coming days."
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alleged hijackers' alleged financier you mean
I may just start referring to Larry Silverstein as the Death and Demolitions Mastermind of 9/11. And the dancing Israelis? Well obviously they were part of the Israeli Demolition Team that loaded the buildings with explosives.
What the heck, who needs actual evidence!
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A Bagman or a Distraction...
....from the real perps, more likely.....
Thanks RT
Thanks RT for bringing up the bread crumb trail to the real operatives behind the main event of 9/11 -- the demolition of the Towers. All that ISI and Saudi highjackers jazz is just part of the distracting "back-story." I thought I was going to be the lone voice around here with regard to the Port Authority/Eisenberg/Silverstein/Urban Moving Systems trail. We are deep down the rabbit hole now, buddy. Hey nice website. I'll be checkin' it oot later... Good work.
I give up...
If you are arguing against the Pakistani ISI...and your only leg of support is a 'report' by the Times Of India that says they saw sekrit Indian Inteligence reports that confirm your own conclusions....you are in the trouble zone and in desperate need of some evidence.
Out of all the 9/11 Stories, the ISI General / 100k looks like disinfo the most, IMO
Before you conclude that the case against the General is solid.....please.... read through the entire blog linked below...read the comments and follow the discussion. It will not take that long compared to the amount of time you'll have wasted chasing down facts about the ISI's ex-spook general...and his trusty side kick, OMar Saiid, suspected triple agent of the ISI,CIA,MI5!!
ahahah have fun chasin' that one!
Omar Saeed Sheikh Disinfo Goose Chase
http://911blogger.com/node/5945
And to the author of this blog and/or article:
You say:
"According to the FBI and as confirmed by various news reports at the time , Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmad instructed Omar Saeed Sheikh, the alleged assassin of Daniel Pea"rl, to wire $100,000 to alleged lead hijacker Mohammed Atta in the summer of 2001."
Reference please? I suspect I know where you got that bit of 'confirmation' and I think you are mistaken. I could be wrong so I need your reference to make sure...
Is this the article you are using:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1566916,00.html
"Why then is Omar Sheikh not being dealt with when he is already under sentence of death? Astonishingly his appeal to a higher court against the sentence was adjourned in July for the 32nd time and has since been adjourned indefinitely. This is all the more remarkable when this is the same Omar Sheikh who, at the behest of General Mahmood Ahmed, head of the ISI, wired $100,000 to Mohammed Atta, the leading 9/11 hijacker, before the New York attacks, as confirmed by Dennis Lormel, director of FBI's financial crimes unit."
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GREAT WORK LUKE
Luke, keep up the great work! This is something recorded that can be added to the growing list of testimony given by govt. officials and further confirms a compelling piece of the narrative of the 9/11 attacks.
Thanks.
Thanks WeAreChange!
Can't wait to see the video!
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$100,000 transfer tracked back to UAE.
First of all, I'm not saying that these guys weren't assets. But the money transfer does seem to have happened. Presumably, the FBI was only allowed to peel back so many layers until the bagmen got nervous. Don't hear much about turning these spigots of money off anymore. All that Afghani opium has to be laundered somehow, the next operation has to be funded somehow... and hey, you think "al-Qaeda's video arm, Al-Sahab Productions" runs on peanuts? I wish that was funny.
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/bank/hba75656.000/hba75656_0.HTM
Mrs. KELLY. Flight school cost $20,000. They had to get that money somewhere.
Mr. LORMEL. Yes. Right on the front end, ma'am, they wired over $100,000 in to Mr. Atta a year ago, and we are aware of that. And we tracked that back to accounts in the UAE.
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Even controlled assets need money. Even if the money is just for fingering. Even if it's just for greasing the skids.
But the money comes from somewhere.
I don't think anyone
I don't think anyone disputes that there was money involved.
Lormel confirmed the transfer not the Pakistani General connection. Check out the wording of the article I posted above.
Crafty use of words huh?
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True dat.
But, the Effa Bee Eye later confirmed at least the Pakistani-ness of it all two years later in 2003;
http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress03/pistole073103.htm
"The FBI conducted a detailed financial investigation/analysis of the 19 hijackers and their support network, following the September 11th attacks. This investigation initially identified the Al Qa'ida funding sources of the 19 hijackers in the UAE and Germany. The financial investigation also provided the first links between Ramzi Binalshibh and the 9/11 operation. A continuing investigation, in coordination with the PENTTBOMB Team, has traced the origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts in Pakistan, where high-ranking and well-known Al Qa'ida operatives played a major role in moving the money forward, eventually into the hands of the hijackers located in the U.S. As part of the 9/11 financial investigation, thousands of individuals and organizations were investigated in the U.S. and abroad to determine whether they played any part in supporting the hijackers or the operation."
But no, they didn't want to go on the record about Gen. Ahmad. Like I said, doesn't mean these guys weren't assets, or patsies, if you will. The problem with money, especially wire transfers, is that they can be traced.
There is a reason that guys like Robert Wright got shut down, and get shut down.
My impression is that the good cookies in the FBI are never allowed to score a touchdown, especially when the toes about to be flattened are attached to our current junta-- I mean "administration". The facilitation, protection, mobilization, and recuitment of these assets can now be traced in the public domain starting with Ahmed Rashid's "Taliban" which places bin Laden in Peshawar in 1980, I believe, followed by "many" meetings with Prince Turki.
Turki will of course claim that Osama was never an "agent"... but an asset? A controlled and directed asset? That's different. We'll never find paystubs for Osama, IMO, but Steve Coll documents the relationship between Casey and the Sauds to 1981, and a few years later, the building of the Arab Foreign Legion (say al Qaeda) via international recruitment was virtually CIA policy.
I think several agencies were working on 9/11, or perhaps in Tarpley's sense, several different players on a Secret Team, all for one, and one False Flag for all.
the effa bee eye
can hardly be trusted since they are complicit in the cover up, no?
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Depends...
If the FBI has information that supports your own conclusions...they can be trusted....
If the FBI has information that contradicts your own conclusions...obviously...they are covering up the largest crime in history.
Obviously.
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The argument that...
Everyone in Government is corrupt is just not realistic. People like Sibel Edmonds, Coleen Rawley, Robert Wright, John M. Cole, Behrooz Sarshar, Gilbert Graham, John Vincent, Mike German, Dick Stoltz, Lau Lok, John Lipsky, William McGrath, Robert Woo, etc... show that not everyone in the FBI is corrupt.
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true, but the people at the
true, but the people at the top(like Mueller) are indeed corrupt and obviously have more power than the people you listed(and in most cases the power to railroad/silence those people).
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
That was not my argument...
my argument was that people are often close minded when it comes to considering their own conclusions might be wrong.
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As Reprehensor pointed out...
http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress03/pistole073103.htm
On July 21, 2003, the Deputy Assistant Director, Counterterrorism Division of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, John Pistole testified:
A continuing investigation, in coordination with the PENTTBOMB Team, has traced the origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts in Pakistan, where high-ranking and well-known Al Qa'ida operatives played a major role in moving the money forward, eventually into the hands of the hijackers located in the U.S.
Yet, according to the 9/11 Report, "to date, the US government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance."
Because the FBI works for the "US government", that's a blatant lie, and a good reason NOT to ignore reports like these that do not source the Times of India:
Press Trust Of India
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/pti100801.html
Pakistani Director-General of Inter- Services Intelligence (ISI), Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmed, has been forced into retirement after FBI investigators established "credible links" between him and Umer Sheikh, one of the three militants released in exchange for passengers of the hijacked Indian Airlines plane in 1999.
India Today
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/indiatoday101501.html
It is understood that Ahmed as ISI chief instructed Omar Sheikh, a Harkat-ul-Mujahideen terrorist freed during the Indian Airlines Kandahar hijacking, to send $1,00,000 to Mohammed Atta, who was involved in the kamikaze attack on the World Trade Center. Sheikh, who now lives near the Binori mosque in Karachi, was spotted in Islamabad at the time the money was transferred to Atta.
The Daily Excelsior
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/dailyexcelsior101801.html
The FBI’s examination of the hard disk of the cellphone company Omar Sheikh had subscribed to led to the discovery of the "link" between him and the deposed chief of the Pakistani ISI, Gen. Mehmood Ahmed. And as the FBI investigators delved deep, sensational information surfaced with regard to the transfer of 100,000 dollars to Mohammed Atta, one of the Kamikaze pilots who flew his Boeing into the World Trade Centre. Gen. Mehmood Ahmed, the FBI investigators found, fully knew about the transfer of money to Atta.
That's all I have to say on the subject.
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Jon, One Source
Jon, all your 'sources' = only one source. THey refer to a sekrit report from an Indian Inteligence source.
That is the leg you are standing on.
I'm not saying your conclusions are true or false, just saying that the evidence just is not there.
If you believe so strongly in this argument, please call the FBI and confirm the ISI connection that they concluded with there assistance to the Indian Intel. investigation.
That is what I don't get. People talk about this ISI goose chase with an attitude like:
"You just don't see it Jpass....the evidence is there...you are just blind!"
Unconfirmed....Indian Inteligence Reports just aren't my style I guess.
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No...
They refer to things like how, "FBI investigators established "credible links", and the "FBI’s examination of the hard disk of the cellphone company." Michael Meacher refers to Dennis Lormel. Not those sources I cited. Maybe those sources spoke to someone else at the FBI. If you want to contact Dennis Lormel, he's currently working at Corporate Risk International as Senior Vice President, Anti-Money Laundering.
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Why would I contact him?
I've already concluded it's a goose chase I really don't want to deal with because, IMO, it's a waste of time. You see to think that it's a solid argument.....so why don't YOU call Dennis and ask him what exactly he confirmed?
I would be surprised if he claims to confirm the ISI / General / Cell Phone / 100k / atta... connection but I am always willing to admit I'm wrong.
It seems you feel more patiently about this issue then most so I would think you would be the one most trying to call this guy to confirm this issue.
Did you ever consider that maybe this story is sort of a reverse psychological operation?
Consider the scope of the 9/11/2001 attacks...I don't think it's a far fetched scenario...that the perps or those who f)#@ed up big time would lead people on a wild goose chase.
Do you at least consider that? Because this case really has no evidence man. Seriously, it's very weak and I just want you to admit that and admit that it very well could be a wild disinfo goose chase.
I actually e-mailed Dennis (FBI) and got no response.
Don't you think it's time you called him to put this issue to rest?
The Gaurdian quote is used as proof the FBI confirmed something or other...so call him and let's see what he actually did confirm.
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Funny all the guys in charge on 9/11
Now head up 'security' related private companies....
Lovely..
People in charge of investigating terrorism, stopping it, predicting it....fail in the worst way imaginable...and are all now making big bucks consulting on security issues.
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So....
Why has no one vetted this story by calling the FBI? There's been a movie that focusses on it, a large portion of 9/11 Truth focus has been put on this topic...you have spent a pretty good time on this board and your own forum on it., cooperativeresearch.org & paul thompson has spent a good amount of time on it....
No one has called the FBI?
After all these years...is that not a bid odd?
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