Madison, Wisconsin: Dissing Barrett Behind His Back
How brave. UW Campus Republicans have invited a 9/11 survivor, Earl Johnson to Madison to attack Barrett... while Barrett is doing speaking engagements in Montana;
From the U.W. Campus Republicans:
Subject: Earl Johnson, 9/11 Survivor, Speaks out Against Kevin Barrett's "Conspiracy Theory"
You're invited:
Earl Johnson, a 9/11 Twin Tower survivor, is coming to our campus to speak about his experience of escaping from the Towers, and also to debunk the "conspiracy theorists" of September 11; namely, Kevin Barrett.
Earl Johnson was an average American, working in his office halfway up the North Tower of the Twin Towers, when disaster struck. Come hear his amazing story of how he survived the terrorist attack of September 11, and why we must NEVER forget what happened that day.
*Tuesday, March 20th*
*7:00-8:00 pm*
*2080 Grainger Hall*
Barrett makes a request;
Please attend this event (tonight). Politely but firmly inform Earl Johnson that world-famous 9/11 hero William Rodriguez, who physically saved more than ten peoples lives, including the lives of those injured by the massive sub-basement explosion before the plane hit, and who opened locked doors to save hundreds more lives, is the 9/11 Survivor we want to bring to Madison... (Please be sure to ask
Earl Johnson whether he accepted the Bush Administration's survivor-hush-money, and exactly how much. Then tell him that real 9/11survivor and family member heroes, like William Rodriguez and Ellen Mariani, turned down millions so they could keep telling the truth.)If possible, bring your video cameras and film each other politely asking Earl the hard questions. Then post the videos to 911blogger.
Thanks for your support, folks. I look forward to hearing how it went after I return to Wisconsin late Tuesday night.
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It's not hush money
Just because people got compensated for their loss does not mean they cannot speak out.
hush money?
I thought I had read there were some terms for accepting the federal 9/11 money. Now I don't find it with a quick search...
Is it that they can't sue, but they can still talk?
Well..
Ellen Mariani claims it is essentially hush money. She is a survivor who speaks out because she didn't accept it, but others are not so fortunate.
for more on the hush money, see:
http://www.nancho.net/911/mariani.html
Interesting.
So because someone survived the tower attack, it makes them an authority to debunk theories that contradict the official lies?
It's almost like they are saying "HE WAS THERE so he knows what REALLY happened, and since YOU were NOT there....."
I'm very interested in what theories he will offer to explain away the basement explosions and the multiple reports of bombs going off.
Kinda reminds me of that
Kinda reminds me of that shill named Rocky who drove a trailer from Louisiana to D.C. for an "impromptu" meeting (read: photo-op and nationally televised sound bite) with GWB to thank him for being such a great leader in the wake of Katrina.
Doesn't matter whether these people are just uninformed, paid, protecting something, or kool-aid drinkers. Trot them out whenever possible, give them plenty of publicity to suggest that their positions are more credible and representative, and buy a few more weeks of free propaganda.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Short notice opportunity +
Well, if anything, this could backfire on them if another 9/11 survivor (on our side) were to show up to that event today and shut down their scam...Short as hell notice, I know. But it's still a possibility.
This is merely a propaganda
This is merely a propaganda technique. It's called "Appealing to Authority". The victim was there hence they are an authority or so the rational goes.
Any one interested in this type of persuasion should look up "Petty" and "Cacioppo" and their proposal of the Central and Peripheral routes of persuasion. The technique propagandists stick to is the Peripheral route. The Central route uses straight facts to persuade people. The Peripheral route uses "cues". These cues can be emotionally loaded words or phrases, attractiveness of the speaker(look at all the god damn perfect faces on network television any more). The peripheral route tends to work on individuals who do not pay attention to central route arguments.
We can fight fire with fire folks. It would be great if another survivor could make it there to refute what ever bullshit comes up. The Central persuasion route is not going to work with a certain portion of the population hence we need individuals like 1st responders to combat the propagandists using the peripheral route to push lies.
The 1st responders ARE something that the hard core lemmings will respond to. These individuals just need to hear our message in a peripheral manner using emotions, appeals to authority, etc.
I would feel bad about recommending this except for the fact that this IS the BEST way to approach this populace AND we are trying to push a legitimate story not a lie like the government.
My background is in Psychology so please give this tactic some deep thought. Otherwise you're going to be butting your head up against a wall trying to convince these lemmings.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN!
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
*******Be careful****** not to harrass a survivor
This is exactly what they want. Video of a truther appearing to "harrass" someone who survived that day but doesn't agree with our theories.
It's not his fault. Some people are programmed to support Bush like a robot. You really can't blame someone for being brainwashed.
So be POLITE and simply explain that you don't believe the official story is believable.
Another problem I see is people asserting they knew exactly what happened. That's impossible. All we know is that the government has appeared to cover-up and hide what really happened, so we are demanding a new investigation for unresolved questions, like about Building 7.
At this point, the Truth Movement is teetering on the edge, waiting for some incident to light up Fox News where a 9/11 victim is seen being cornered and yelled at by foaming at the mouth "9/11 Truthers" .
Relax. We have millions of people on our side. And, of course, we have the truth on our side.
agreed
Totally agree: We can't give them any images or soundbites to use against us.
This guy deserves to be heard and respected, assuming he's listening to and respecting any questions asked or theories presented.
I'd be interested to hear what he says....
Because what from his perspective could prove that conspiracy theories are incorrect?
We all agree planes struck the Towers.
Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think this guy was pulled from the rubble so he must have got out in plenty of time therefore would only be witness to what everyone else saw. Obviously, controlled demolition would have been done discreetly if this is the case.
So did he personally see Mohammed Atta's head fly by?
What about NORAD? This doesn't change the fact they stood down that day.
I don't really see what he could say besides the fact that he didn't hear any bombs. That doesn't really mean very much.
If he goes on about how we saw planes than someone should tell him, politely, that everyone agrees planes hit the Towers.
Just don't fall into the trap of yelling at him.
Let's disappoint them
Hey, 911Magician, your advice is very good. I hope everyone going to the event takes your viewpoint into account.
And, luckily, we all seem to agree on it: what the MSM wants, what those perpetrating this inside job want, is for us to act like rabid idiots. Let's disappoint them.
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"Evil can only exist as long as we support it."
M.K. Gandhi
So shall we BOCOTT+THE+MSM?
Be alert for provocateurs....
"At this point, the Truth Movement is teetering on the edge, waiting for some incident to light up Fox News where a 9/11 victim is seen being cornered and yelled at by foaming at the mouth "9/11 Truthers" ."
Yes
Altruist, you say: "Be alert for provocateurs."
That is right. From now on, and at every event, we need to be alert to that. This will happen. We will need strategies too, for dealing with this since it will definitely start happening more, as we gain more traction.
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"Evil can only exist as long as we support it."
M.K. Gandhi
So shall we BOCOTT+THE+MSM?
The strategy is simple:
don't let yourselves be provoked^^
This guy is not a co-conspirator...
he's a victim...yes, a misguided victim, but a victim nonetheless....not appropriate to yell at this guy.....
Next time a PNAC, NIST, Popular Mechanics, et al shows up,.....yes, let out the attack dogs of Truth....not this time.....
Make our points, but with class....
It's an image thing
JR, image matters. The MSM want us to show ugly images -- which they can, in turn, show on the nightly news broadcast. They and the administration would love it if we were to disrupt this meeting, and other ones too, with hooting noises, clenched fists, and that sort of thing. In their eyes, displays like those would be perfect.
If we can yell in a way that looks good on the evening news broadcast, OK, well and good. But it usually doesn't look all that good. You iknow what I mean?
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"Evil can only exist as long as we support it."
M.K. Gandhi
So shall we BOCOTT+THE+MSM?
Definitely not beligerant or distatesteful of course
You said and I agree...Yell LOUD and CLEARLY in a way that looks good on the evening news...With FACTS instead of pointless yelling, I agree. More importantly nobody shout over the person who's yelling...Be courteous and wait till that person runs out of breath to chant in and continue the barrage of FACTS...That's something the media can't snake their way out of.
Anyways, we'll see what happens...I wish I could be there to attend and shout at the top of my lungs..."9/11 Was An Inside Job! Here are some facts from eyewitnesses! 1...2....3...4..etc"
You couldn't be more wrong
You couldn't be more wrong in your approach. What is the goal? The goal is to get people to recognize that 9/11 isn't what the government claims it was. Yelling at a "victim" is only going to reinforce the emotions of support lemmings carry for the victim. Being frustrated with this victims stance and yelling at him isn't going to accomplish the end goal.
When you make proposal's you need to stop and think, if I were in the shoe's of the lemmings what would convince me? Placing oneself in others shoes would make the world a better place but unfortunately not everyone is enlightened about this.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN!
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
but it feels oh so right ! =)
Nope, I think you're wrong about this 'second guessing' technique. The truth is you can't second guess intelligent people as you're implying.
Most people in college campuses (especially now in 2007) are willing to hear both sides. If you go about these things always worrying about what people will think or react, then you're better off running for office because effective demonstrators get the word out, not fearing the backlash or any possible insults or ridicule. Look at Gypsy and her whistle-blowing antics. Trust me, I know how this works from personal experience on the streets of NYC. Most people respect and pay attention to someone who puts it on the line and shows courage in the face of lies and campaigns of deceit. This is about getting the info out and not about getting people to like you or be your friend.
Unfortunately your response
Unfortunately your response is based entirely around something I never said or implied. Where exactly did I say intelligent people would have problems with the approach? I said that "Lemmings" would have a problem with the approach. Lemmings are the individuals who rely on emotions, attractiveness, etc. to mostly guide their decisions. These Lemmings are going to FEEL for the speaking victim. And when someone goes apeshit on this misguided victim the lemmings will side with the victim. The attendees of this event aren't likely to be only college students as you have implied and even if they were even intelligent people have emotions which impact their judgement. You're whole argument doesn't make any logical sense.
"If you go about these things always worrying about what people will think or react, then you're better off running for office because effective demonstrators get the word out, not fearing the backlash or any possible insults or ridicule."
What is this nonsense? You're attitude sounds just like George W. Bush's. Being rude never helps to win someone over. Why invite insults and ridicule when you could win someone over?
"Most people respect and pay attention to someone who puts it on the line and shows courage in the face of lies and campaigns of deceit."
More assumptions! How can you get that respect and attention if those you try to impress are offended by your effrontery, missing your point?
Again, stop and think before you act.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN!
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
Hey Whitey
I just noticed your cute little Galileo quote at the bottom...What a ridiculous, pompous, arrogant, and hypocritical statement that is! 'Humble' indeed! Ha!
By the way, your straw man tactics (above) are pathetic and weak. Way to go comparing me to "W"...I just gotta laugh at that shit because it's so ridiculous.
Good warning but keep in
Good warning but keep in mind the assholes running our country attacked us to justify attacking someone else. It's fully possible that the CIA or other clandestine networks could send an agent to harass this victim to make us look bad. Maybe a manifesto needs to be written up for our movement that most of the 9/11 websites can agree upon. This way if harrassment comes up we can as a community say look, check our manifesto, we absolutely don't agree with X, which may have been pushed by an agent provocateur.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN!
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
what if, when an agent did his disruption routine...
...people wearing "Investigate 9/11" shirts stood up and chided him, saying something like these things:
"let him speak"
"you're not behaving like one of us! show respect!"
"raise your questions at the appropriate time"
...not harshly, but firmly?
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ask
this guy if he has ever watched the video of the buildings collapsing that day. I'm guessing it would have been too hard to really watch.... at least objectively.
I'd love to listen to what he has to say....especially about building 7
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Some people are programd to support the BUSH conspiracy theory. Robots
I agree, I have been off-work for a few months and put together all the infor and dis-info about 911.
Some republicans just dont want ot hear another side of the story. I even bett them money and objects to disprove my informantion. .
If I didnt live so far away, I would go to his speech.
Bipartisan blindness
Johnny, you say, "Some republicans just dont want ot hear another side of the story. "
I would like to meet more Democrats with open minds on this topic. Or Greens. Or Communists or, for that matter; anyone... LIbertarians, Socialists, whatever.
I am amazed at how bipartisan the blindness is. Maybe we'd say multipartisan.
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"Evil can only exist as long as we support it."
M.K. Gandhi
So shall we BOCOTT+THE+MSM?
That's what happens when
That's what happens when you're born and raised into a system in which the working class has been trained to fight amongst itself (left vs. right) while the ruling class rapes them with no vaseline.
We need the public to start thinking working class vs. ruling class again.
It's amazing how the temporal distance between now and the revolutionary war has allowed for this shift. Back then people wouldn't have any problem seeing who the troublemakers were.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN!
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
Yes, it's not just Republicans, but...
The Greens--and possibly the Libertarians as well--have long been on record as saying that we have not yet had, and still need, a real investigation of the crimes of 9/11. At the same time--while that is a good position, clearly differentiated but pro-Bush dogmatists--I wish that more people even of these political persuasions would have shown a greater willingness than I've thus far encountered to venture beyond this position and proceed farther down the rabbit hole.
Here...
Is the story...
http://www.dailycardinal.com/news/9-11-survivor-criticizes-former-lectur...
http://badgerherald.com/news/2007/03/21/sept_11_survivor_sha.php
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
I just found out...
That Willie wants to go to UW to counter what Earl Johnson said.
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
Stick with what you're good at
bje.
LMAO
I bet he wished his name was "bjsa"
Hint : Last two letters stand for "solo artist"
Sorry and best wishes
Tell us how.
Tell us how Willie could possibly counter Johnson when Willie was in the basement and Johnson was on the 51st floor.
I could use the material.
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"9/11 Truth is Stranger than Fiction."
All this talk of...
"Johnsons" and "Willys", BJ's etc is weird...
Back on topic...
How could Earl Johnson (above the 50th floor) dispute William Rodriguez's claim of pre-impact explosions that have been clearly caught on audio tape...
i.e. Jenny Carr's tape recording of a meeting on the 36th Floor in, 1 Liberty Plaza, across the street from the World Trade Center
More Info : http://www.911blogger.com/node/6858#comment-124570
You have me intrigued
Best wishes
My turn to LMAO.
And before I stop with the juvenile troll-harassment, I will add my usual disclaimer that there is nothing wrong with fellatio between consenting adults of any gender.
Wait!
No matter whether the willie was in the basement or the johnson in the skylobby, there definitely is something wrong with fellatio between two consenting females.
Ok, I'm nitpicking...and who am I to condemn cunnilingus?
You can't get anything clean without getting something else dirty -- I'm just trying to help here...