"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Very nice video. It appears the turn-out was greater than previously indicated, albeit slightly. This definitely adds some degree of encouragement to our movement. Very cool.
Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 12/17/2006 - 8:38pm.
I personally think the movement is dead, I was a huge supporter for a long time, went to the truth conference here in LA but all of this is getting us nowhere. In order for 9/11 to be exposed these marches need to be alot bigger. Sadly not enough people are marching anymore. There isn't enough hard evidence to get the public up in arms. We aren't going to win this one, thats just the cold hard truth.
Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 12/17/2006 - 9:13pm.
Congratulations to all the righteous souls who engaged in this event.
I noticed alot of frustration in the other thread about lack of numbers. The question of violent disobedience was also raised. I have to admit, I was expecting a much larger turnout than is evidenced in the videos.
I can’t really criticize no-shows because I didn’t take part in any event either, but then again I don’t live in the US. At the very least, the Boston event should have been HUGE. What is it? Apathy? Fear? Distraction? Lack of organizing?
The comments about violence are a sign of things to come. While I believe in non-violence as a general rule, it seems unlikely that any profound change will occur in our society without some – perhaps much – bloodshed. As always, it will be the people who suffer most.
I do not believe that you can make a successful revolution under the current circumstances. At least not yet. It was different in France ’68 where the population was imbued with a progressive and rebellious spirit and the movement had anti-authoritarian underpinnings provided by the anarchists and Situationists. Even then the revolt was short lived. Some have argued that the rebellion failed precisely because of widespread violence provocateured by the state after the movement began to gain steam. In any case, Americans seem to be profoundly divided: at least a third of the population is brainwashed (almost?) beyond repair, another third clings to outdated liberal ideology, and the remaining third is looking for ideas. Almost everyone is trapped in a consumerist paradigm, covetous of their possessions, glad for their (seeming, and relative) wealth, and not quite ready to put it all on the line.
You could argue that this is simply a matter of the elites having succeeded in dumbing down, atomizing, terrorizing and generally stupefying the populace. Or would could be looking at a basic survival strategy. Perhaps people know the revolution is coming and they’re waiting for the right moment; others are looking for a savior (who will never come); others are simply too lazy or ignorant to tear themselves away from American idol. Wait too long and it will the Third Reich all over again. The camps are being built.
I just finished reading Christian Parenti’s book “Lockdown America” about America’s prison system. It was one of the most horrifying books I’ve ever read. It makes Dostoevsky’s account of his ten years in a Siberian labor camp look like a trip to Disneyland. Most disturbing was Parenti’s contention that rape is an essential component of “class’ or “guard” rule, stratifying the prison populace into a manageable hierarchy and allowing CO’s to “contract out” punishment to unruly prisoners, turning them into “punks” who then whore for the system. The ubiquitous “race gangs” serve a similar function. HIV lurks in the background.
With prisons like these and draconian laws to keep them well stuffed with flesh I can understand the reluctance of Americans to engage in civil disobedience. The strategy appears to be two-fold: distract the populace with gadgets and mindless fluff while terrorizing potential dissidents with the threat of torture and death. In case you haven’t noticed, YOU are the intended target of the psyop known as Gitmo, not Afghans or “terrorists”. The latter are merely props in their sick propaganda campaign.
In my honest opinion I do not believe violence will be successful at this point. So while I would have no moral qualms with a group who decided to storm Fox News, for instance, and hang some “news” anchor by his balls, I do not think such an act would be conducive to positive change. I could be wrong, but the history of attempts by intelligence to provacatuer isolated acts of violence suggests that violence is precisely what they want. Perhaps we should try to educate people on the hyprocrisy of criticizing violence by citizens engaging in self defense yet condoning the endless institutional brutality by the state; simultaneously people could organize massive, nation wide, non-violent civil disobedience. The key to successful civil disobedience is NUMBERS. Stand alone and they will make an example of y ou. Come with a thousand people and they will be forced to mitigate punishment or abandon it altogether. Safety in numbers, so it goes.
The question of violence is a very difficult one. If it’s simply a matter of “capturing” the state it will be “meet the new boss, same as the old”; the real revolution has to occur horizontally. There’s no silver bullet. The revolution may actually entail disengagement from the state rather than engagement with, or perhaps a combination of the two. Succession should be looked at. The more violence that is used the less libertarian the new society will become.
Either way, 911 truth needs more effective organizing.
Truth may be stretched, but cannot be broken, and always gets above falsehood, as does oil above water. Miguel Cerbanetes
Everything secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. - Lord Acton
It is often merely for an excuse that we say things are impossible. - Francois de La Rochefoucauld
Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 12/17/2006 - 9:37pm.
What a great event this was in Boston. Thank you to the organizers. I almost didn't make it, but am so glad I did. The passion was there, people. The speakers were great, especially Kevin Barrett. What an awesome voice for Truth he is (and a nice guy too).
When we made it down to the harbor, I have to admit that I was feeling a little bad about throwing this trash into the water (if the 911 Commission Report isn't garbage, what is?). But no worries. They arranged to have a man in a boat available to gather in the debris. Most of which floated into a near by dock, which I personally helped clean up. My only regret is that I didn't salvage a crate. It could be worth a lot of money some day (when the White House criminals are locked up!).
The Tea Party was followed up with happy gathering at the Barking Crab on the water front. I wish you all could have been there to feel the positive vibes. I know we have a long way to go folks - but don't give up - keep up the fight - for you are true Patriots.
[ Two small signs of hope. The boat man (who was not connected to the Truht Movement) was interested in what we were doing, and asked for info. So I tracked down a couple of DVDs for him. Hopefully, 911 Mysteries and Terrorstorm don't overwhelm him. And a family was just passing by (most of the Tea Party events were over) and asked me what was going on. I explained what we were doing, and said something like "I realize its a little hard to believe all this if you haven't looked at the evidence". The mother said "Actually, its not that hard to believe. I am starting to think those people in the White House are capable of anything". ]
There's not enough hard evidence to get people worked up? Dude, what are you smoking? It must be pretty good stuff because if you've done your homework it's messing with your memory and if you haven't done your homework then it's messing with your motivation. Pass it over here bro.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN! http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
obviously, I can understand people associating Palestinian suffering to the whole scheme of things with 9/11 and Bush/Neocons etc/.
But Palestine has nothing to do with what is most important, exposing that the 9/11 commission report is a complete lie. This is a domestic issue. This is about American independence from traitors within. If there are flags that should be flown, it should be American flags.
So who brought the Palestinian flag and what was there point of it?
After seeing a homeless man show up to an anti-AIPAC rally in DC with a sign that was basically jibberish...literally it was a joke, yet I noticed he continually, casually, almost disinterestly put himself in the front of the line, and always looked for cameras, I realized that this homeless man, who probably couldn't find Israel on a map, was clearly being paid to be there for obvious reasons.
Does a Palestine flag make people not credible? No. I support a free Palestine. That would make the world a better place for everyone. But your typical American just immediatly thinks "terrorist". Is this really what we need at this early stage of protest? We really need to be waiving a Palestinian flag? Fox News will love it. Sean Hannity will love it. Did the original Boston Tea Party waive flags from foreign countries? NO. The whole point was independence from them.
Palestinians will be given justice later, after the 911 Truth revolution, when peace is enforced by the world. Until then, keep out of our war for independence 2. You don't belong here.
So someone explain to me who/why the Palestinian flag. And don't lecture me about the plight of the Palestinians. I know about it.
Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 12:57am.
Simply put, you need to STFU. It's America. If someone from one of the most oppressed groups of people on the planet wants to wave a flag around that represents their oppressed people then what's the problem. Hey at least over here they aren't getting run over by bulldozers or sniped....yet.
Besides how else are Palestinians going to get Americans to see the absolute oppression by the Israeli government when Israel has plenty of ties to get twisted MSM coverage.
Palestinians deserve justice NOW not later you selfish punk.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN! http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
Whatever. I live in DC. I've been to anti-AIPAC rallies. I was there to support the Palestinians. Yet I noticed the whole march would be constantly ruined by people showing up dressed like fanatical terrorists. There was a group of guys who showed up out of the blue with ski-masks and chanting death to israel. The thing is, their eyes didn't even look Arab. I am pretty sure they were there to make the whole march look bad. Of course, the cameras focused on them. I bet AIPAC paid them to be there.
So first there's a Palestine flag, next should we have people in ski masks chanting death to America as well?
You don't get it. This has been Israel's technique for oppressing Palestinians all this time. Make them appear evil. False flag terrorism? Oh you bet. So go ahead, let the anti-Truth people, which includes groups like AIPAC, ruin your protests and the whole cause.
Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 1:22pm.
This is a tricky one--certainly people have the right to wave a Palestinian flag, and since Palestinians were wrongly fingered by the Dancing Israelis they have every reason to want 9/11 Truth. But then again the extreme examples cited by Anon here are very real threats.
Given the challenge of mass demonstrations having the potential to be subverted by jackasses or disinfo agents, at this point I would encourage people to do truthing in small groups of people who know each other. We are not trying to impress people with our numbers, we have to do it with our grasp of the facts and by presenting ourselves as upstanding, responsible citizens with our country's interest at heart.
My assesment is that Building #6 was definitely nuked. as this image actually shows the up-bound character of that blast. At the very least it shows a thermobaric reaction, meaning not simply 'jet-fuel' in the airborne mass. ...The timing, in combination with the persistent molten metals cross-relates to my assessment.
Wow, I am actually feeling pride in being american. That is a feeling longed missed.
Gary
911truthnc.org
“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"
Awesome!
I can totally feel the passion! Rock ON!
Celebrate...
Everyone did a FANTASTIC job!
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
Very nice video. It appears
Very nice video. It appears the turn-out was greater than previously indicated, albeit slightly. This definitely adds some degree of encouragement to our movement. Very cool.
Thanks Anonymous
LOL.... it is people like you who are worried about being the only one standing out there that affects turn-out to event like this.
You know what?
I'm tired of being nice.
For those of you who know and have not made the effort to help bring this to the people.... to stand up and stand out
It is you who are more wrong than those who refuse to look and those who refuse to see.
If you continue to find excuses to bury your heads.... this movement will die.
And eveything this country has ever stood for will die with it... and the memory of all those who fought for this country will be for not!
Congratulations to all the
Congratulations to all the righteous souls who engaged in this event.
I noticed alot of frustration in the other thread about lack of numbers. The question of violent disobedience was also raised. I have to admit, I was expecting a much larger turnout than is evidenced in the videos.
I can’t really criticize no-shows because I didn’t take part in any event either, but then again I don’t live in the US. At the very least, the Boston event should have been HUGE. What is it? Apathy? Fear? Distraction? Lack of organizing?
The comments about violence are a sign of things to come. While I believe in non-violence as a general rule, it seems unlikely that any profound change will occur in our society without some – perhaps much – bloodshed. As always, it will be the people who suffer most.
I do not believe that you can make a successful revolution under the current circumstances. At least not yet. It was different in France ’68 where the population was imbued with a progressive and rebellious spirit and the movement had anti-authoritarian underpinnings provided by the anarchists and Situationists. Even then the revolt was short lived. Some have argued that the rebellion failed precisely because of widespread violence provocateured by the state after the movement began to gain steam. In any case, Americans seem to be profoundly divided: at least a third of the population is brainwashed (almost?) beyond repair, another third clings to outdated liberal ideology, and the remaining third is looking for ideas. Almost everyone is trapped in a consumerist paradigm, covetous of their possessions, glad for their (seeming, and relative) wealth, and not quite ready to put it all on the line.
You could argue that this is simply a matter of the elites having succeeded in dumbing down, atomizing, terrorizing and generally stupefying the populace. Or would could be looking at a basic survival strategy. Perhaps people know the revolution is coming and they’re waiting for the right moment; others are looking for a savior (who will never come); others are simply too lazy or ignorant to tear themselves away from American idol. Wait too long and it will the Third Reich all over again. The camps are being built.
I just finished reading Christian Parenti’s book “Lockdown America” about America’s prison system. It was one of the most horrifying books I’ve ever read. It makes Dostoevsky’s account of his ten years in a Siberian labor camp look like a trip to Disneyland. Most disturbing was Parenti’s contention that rape is an essential component of “class’ or “guard” rule, stratifying the prison populace into a manageable hierarchy and allowing CO’s to “contract out” punishment to unruly prisoners, turning them into “punks” who then whore for the system. The ubiquitous “race gangs” serve a similar function. HIV lurks in the background.
With prisons like these and draconian laws to keep them well stuffed with flesh I can understand the reluctance of Americans to engage in civil disobedience. The strategy appears to be two-fold: distract the populace with gadgets and mindless fluff while terrorizing potential dissidents with the threat of torture and death. In case you haven’t noticed, YOU are the intended target of the psyop known as Gitmo, not Afghans or “terrorists”. The latter are merely props in their sick propaganda campaign.
In my honest opinion I do not believe violence will be successful at this point. So while I would have no moral qualms with a group who decided to storm Fox News, for instance, and hang some “news” anchor by his balls, I do not think such an act would be conducive to positive change. I could be wrong, but the history of attempts by intelligence to provacatuer isolated acts of violence suggests that violence is precisely what they want. Perhaps we should try to educate people on the hyprocrisy of criticizing violence by citizens engaging in self defense yet condoning the endless institutional brutality by the state; simultaneously people could organize massive, nation wide, non-violent civil disobedience. The key to successful civil disobedience is NUMBERS. Stand alone and they will make an example of y ou. Come with a thousand people and they will be forced to mitigate punishment or abandon it altogether. Safety in numbers, so it goes.
The question of violence is a very difficult one. If it’s simply a matter of “capturing” the state it will be “meet the new boss, same as the old”; the real revolution has to occur horizontally. There’s no silver bullet. The revolution may actually entail disengagement from the state rather than engagement with, or perhaps a combination of the two. Succession should be looked at. The more violence that is used the less libertarian the new society will become.
Either way, 911 truth needs more effective organizing.
Truth
and you want another injection of truth?
NYC pumps their raw sewage directly into the ocean..... it has piled up on the ocean floor and backed up within just a few miles of the coast.
I won't even address the environmental effect to lower Manhatten caused by the attacks on 9/11
are you worried about a little litter?
keep flushing.... stop thinking
and you let me know when someone dies from the events of 12/16/06
Here's a quick lesson in the form of quotes.
Truth may be stretched, but cannot be broken, and always gets above falsehood, as does oil above water. Miguel Cerbanetes
Everything secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. - Lord Acton
It is often merely for an excuse that we say things are impossible. - Francois de La Rochefoucauld
Actually, Truthers Don't Litter
What a great event this was in Boston. Thank you to the organizers. I almost didn't make it, but am so glad I did. The passion was there, people. The speakers were great, especially Kevin Barrett. What an awesome voice for Truth he is (and a nice guy too).
When we made it down to the harbor, I have to admit that I was feeling a little bad about throwing this trash into the water (if the 911 Commission Report isn't garbage, what is?). But no worries. They arranged to have a man in a boat available to gather in the debris. Most of which floated into a near by dock, which I personally helped clean up. My only regret is that I didn't salvage a crate. It could be worth a lot of money some day (when the White House criminals are locked up!).
The Tea Party was followed up with happy gathering at the Barking Crab on the water front. I wish you all could have been there to feel the positive vibes. I know we have a long way to go folks - but don't give up - keep up the fight - for you are true Patriots.
[ Two small signs of hope. The boat man (who was not connected to the Truht Movement) was interested in what we were doing, and asked for info. So I tracked down a couple of DVDs for him. Hopefully, 911 Mysteries and Terrorstorm don't overwhelm him. And a family was just passing by (most of the Tea Party events were over) and asked me what was going on. I explained what we were doing, and said something like "I realize its a little hard to believe all this if you haven't looked at the evidence". The mother said "Actually, its not that hard to believe. I am starting to think those people in the White House are capable of anything". ]
There's not enough hard
There's not enough hard evidence to get people worked up? Dude, what are you smoking? It must be pretty good stuff because if you've done your homework it's messing with your memory and if you haven't done your homework then it's messing with your motivation. Pass it over here bro.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN!
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
View Count
How long does it take to get a view count?
Every time I go back to this video the vote count goes down??
Is this video already under attack?
Scenes from the San Francisco Tea Party for 9/11 Truth
Video News coverage:
http://cbs5.com/video/?id=19231@kpix.dayport.com
Write and thank CBS-5 for their extremely fair coverage of the San Francisco event:
http://cbs5.com/contact
WOOOOOOOO!!!
They mentioned Philadelphia!!! WOOOOOOOO!!!
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
Ya done good Jon!! Kudos to
Ya done good Jon!! Kudos to you and Wendi and Angelo.
Danka...
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
Jon's video is my favorite
3 people who care enough to be out there by themselves means more to me than I can say.
Agreed.
Agreed.
Wow yeah
That was pretty good! I hadn't seen it yet.
congrats guys
Great work patriots!
Why the Palestinian flag?
obviously, I can understand people associating Palestinian suffering to the whole scheme of things with 9/11 and Bush/Neocons etc/.
But Palestine has nothing to do with what is most important, exposing that the 9/11 commission report is a complete lie. This is a domestic issue. This is about American independence from traitors within. If there are flags that should be flown, it should be American flags.
So who brought the Palestinian flag and what was there point of it?
After seeing a homeless man show up to an anti-AIPAC rally in DC with a sign that was basically jibberish...literally it was a joke, yet I noticed he continually, casually, almost disinterestly put himself in the front of the line, and always looked for cameras, I realized that this homeless man, who probably couldn't find Israel on a map, was clearly being paid to be there for obvious reasons.
Does a Palestine flag make people not credible? No. I support a free Palestine. That would make the world a better place for everyone. But your typical American just immediatly thinks "terrorist". Is this really what we need at this early stage of protest? We really need to be waiving a Palestinian flag? Fox News will love it. Sean Hannity will love it. Did the original Boston Tea Party waive flags from foreign countries? NO. The whole point was independence from them.
Palestinians will be given justice later, after the 911 Truth revolution, when peace is enforced by the world. Until then, keep out of our war for independence 2. You don't belong here.
So someone explain to me who/why the Palestinian flag. And don't lecture me about the plight of the Palestinians. I know about it.
Stop bitching about
Stop bitching about Palestine you little worm.
Simply put, you need to
Simply put, you need to STFU. It's America. If someone from one of the most oppressed groups of people on the planet wants to wave a flag around that represents their oppressed people then what's the problem. Hey at least over here they aren't getting run over by bulldozers or sniped....yet.
Besides how else are Palestinians going to get Americans to see the absolute oppression by the Israeli government when Israel has plenty of ties to get twisted MSM coverage.
Palestinians deserve justice NOW not later you selfish punk.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN!
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
Simply put, wake up.
"selfish punk?"
"worm"?
Whatever. I live in DC. I've been to anti-AIPAC rallies. I was there to support the Palestinians. Yet I noticed the whole march would be constantly ruined by people showing up dressed like fanatical terrorists. There was a group of guys who showed up out of the blue with ski-masks and chanting death to israel. The thing is, their eyes didn't even look Arab. I am pretty sure they were there to make the whole march look bad. Of course, the cameras focused on them. I bet AIPAC paid them to be there.
So first there's a Palestine flag, next should we have people in ski masks chanting death to America as well?
You don't get it. This has been Israel's technique for oppressing Palestinians all this time. Make them appear evil. False flag terrorism? Oh you bet. So go ahead, let the anti-Truth people, which includes groups like AIPAC, ruin your protests and the whole cause.
good points all around
This is a tricky one--certainly people have the right to wave a Palestinian flag, and since Palestinians were wrongly fingered by the Dancing Israelis they have every reason to want 9/11 Truth. But then again the extreme examples cited by Anon here are very real threats.
Given the challenge of mass demonstrations having the potential to be subverted by jackasses or disinfo agents, at this point I would encourage people to do truthing in small groups of people who know each other. We are not trying to impress people with our numbers, we have to do it with our grasp of the facts and by presenting ourselves as upstanding, responsible citizens with our country's interest at heart.
____
Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero
WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
How to hijack the Dutch section of Amnesty International
This is almost too easy.... GO TO http://www.amnesty.nl/10dec2006/index.php AND MAKE SOME NOISE AGAINST THE 9/11 COVER-UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPREAD THE WORD!!!!
Proud
Wow, I am actually feeling pride in being american. That is a feeling longed missed.
Gary
911truthnc.org
“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"
i've had a very strange last
i've had a very strange last two days and i couldnt wait to find out how the boston tea party went......
you guys did great------that was even better than i was hoping
this video footage is historical amricana forever---yall did america so proud