Kevin Barrett hosts Barrie Zwicker today on GCN Live
The Dynamic Duo
Mondays and Fridays, 4-6 p.m. ET (Jim Fetzer usually handles Tuesdays,
Wednesdays and Thursdays)
GCN: http://www.gcnlive.com
Call-in number (800) 259-5791
Truth Jihad Radio
Saturdays 7-9 p.m. ET (right after Webster Tarpley!)
RBN: http://www.rbnlive.com Call-in number (800) 313-9443
December 11
Mon. 12/11 Barrie Zwicker, director The Great Conspiracy, author Towers of
Deception: http://www.greatconspiracy.ca/
4-6 p.m. ET on GCN: http://www.gcnlive.com Call-in number (800) 259-5791
December 13
Wed. 12/13 Boston Tea Party organizers Larry P., Rich McCampbell and
Jason King: http://911blogger.com/node/4594
4-6 p.m. ET on GCN: http://www.gcnlive.com Call-in number (800) 259-5791
December 15
Fri. 12/15 GCN Re-run (probably Brian Bogart); Kevin Barrett will be
flying to Boston to participate in the Boston Tea Party and throw an
effigy of Bill O'Reilly into Boston Harbor.
December 16
Sat. 12/16 RBN Re-run (probably William Rodriguez); Kevin Barrett will be
participating in the Boston Tea Party and throwing Bill O'Reilly
effigy into Boston Harbor
December 18
Monday 12/18 Tom Tvetan, physician and 9/11 truth activist, a.k.a. the
DVD Johnny Appleseed of 9/11 Truth
4-6 p.m. ET on GCN: http://www.gcnlive.com Call-in number (800) 259-5791
December 19
Tuesday 12/19 Kevin Barrett will appear on the O'Reilly Factor (FOX
News)
Barrett and O'Reilly will debate the facts and meaning of 9/11, and
argue about which one of them deserves to be tossed into Boston Harbor.
December 20
Wednesday 12/20 Victims' families activist and truth-teller Donna
Marsh O'Connor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EymYwYc43iE
4-6 p.m. ET on GCN: http://www.gcnlive.com Call-in number (800) 259-5791
December 22
Friday 12/22 Kathleen Wynne, ex-Associate Director, Black Box Voting:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
4-6 p.m. ET on GCN: http://www.gcnlive.com Call-in number (800) 259-5791
December 23
Saturday 12/23 Jon Gold, 9/11 truth activist: http://www.yourbbsucks.com
6-8 p.m. ET on RBN: http://www.rbnlive.com Call-in number (800) 313-9443
Near-future guests are expected to include three of the most important
authors of our time:
David Griffin (http://mujca.com/newyork.htm) author of Christian Faith
and the Truth Behind 9/11, The New Pearl Harbor, The 9/11 Commission
Report: Omissions and Distortions, and editor/contributor/inspiration,
9/11 and the American Empire v.1, and 9/11 and the American Empire v.2
Reza Aslan, author of No God But God: The Origins, Evolution and Future of
Islam: http://www.rezaaslan.com/
Eric Larsen, author of A Nation Gone Blind: America in an Age of
Simplification and Deceit: http://ericlarsen.net/nation.html
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Barrett is a true hero
We must not forget the DEAN, Patrick Fareell, For conitnuing Bareett teach, despite being under pressure. If Patrick would fire him, Lawmarkers and media would have a field day and get off his back, But he is continuing to Back and support Barett, Despite the BS from people.
Good job the both of you
TROLL ALERT! TROLL ALERT!
TROLL ALERT! TROLL ALERT! All fingers on DOWN arrows!
Sweet...
Do they archive GCN shows?
I'm Kevin's guest on 12/23, FYI...
Edit: I didn't see he posted it.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
STFU
And go to hell while you're at it.
I swear, if dz doesn't get rid of the anonymous assclowns, I'm gonna open a vein.
Shhhhh...
Don't say stuff like that.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
I'm such a patient person normally.
Not really, but I'm usually more patient. Occasionally I snap.
Can't edit it now that you've replied to it, though. Too bad.
I'll be listening, John.
I'll be listening, John. Represent. Practice speaking with someone you like and bring your info to read from in case you get caught up with things and your emotions take over. Knock'em out!
Don't do that! I know
Don't do that! I know you're exagerating out of frustration, but never let them believe you're upset.
I've kind of fudged on that in the past couple of weeks, but that's because I think I have one on the ropes and I'm pushing to see if he cracks. Did track him down to the Loose Change forum--no surprise.
I am eager for dz to ban anonymous posts,too, however. If for no other reason than I can stop my investigation. It was fun at first but now it's using WAY more of my time than I want. Now it's in for a penny...
Why do these trolls do this? Who has the extra time?
Feeding trolls is a no-no.
Don't feed the trolls. Some people (some as in very few) come here with legit arguements against the Truth's side. And I'm all for that. Discussion is healthy.
But this kind of poo-poo (a childish word for a childish shrill) deserves no attention. Thank you for your understanding.
Thank you for the lovely
Thank you for the lovely advice.
Let me return the favor: get a name so we won't confuse you with the trolls.
Thank you for your consideration, madame or sir.
Excuse my suspicion; there just seems to be an aweful lot of anonymous "niceness" lately.
What difference does it make?
Is it a requirement to give a fake name? Does that make what I have to say any less valid? Why do you care what my name is? Why do you care if I'm registered? Read my post clearly, you'll see what this person has in mind.
Get a fake name.
No. Yes. Because it's hard to keep a zillion anonymouses straight in a thread that becomes complex. Registered users have an investment in this site and a commitment to other users to be accountable.
"Read my post clearly,
"Read my post clearly, you'll see what this person has in mind."
Looking for clairity...
Don't you mean what "you have in mind"? Or did you mean "read their post clearly"?
I've never...
Followed Fetzer... dumbass. ;)
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
I don't follow because....
I never used the word 'Follow' in my original post, Mr. Gold.
What I did ask you was that, given Kevin's recent radio show and the topics discussed, will you now denouce Kevin as disinfo? After all, as I originally stated, Kevin appears to support open debate and the free exchange of ideas.
If Kevin supports the possibility of ExoW use and/or supports research pertaining to this matter (a la Woods/Reynolds recent paper) will you exile him too, Jon?
Superthermite bombs =
Superthermite bombs = Advanced Classified Weapondry which probably was used...
So your point is what? Psy-op dude?
My point
was clearly stated twice above and posed as a question towards Mr. Gold. If he decides to respond then he will.
My response is...
No, I will not denounce Kevin Barrett because I know that he DOES NOT think promoting "space beams" is a good idea, and would never lead with that information. People seem to think I care what you talk about in private. No. I could care less what you talk about in private. It's what you promote publicly that I have concerns about.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
Nor...
Can Kevin Barrett control who calls up on his show.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
As a matter of fact...
You can listen to Kevin and I talk about it on "Truth Jihad." It doesn't sound to me like he's going to be promoting "Energy/Space Beams" any time soon.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
Kevin and his guest Sophia
Kevin and his guest Sophia of 911Mysteries had some interesting points to make when questioned about the directed energy weapon hypothesis and the division it caused within 9/11 truth movement.
[rough transcript]
Kevin: I would urge people to go take a look at this material and these various ideas at ST911.org, and see what you think. But personally, I think we don't really need any kind of unanimity from researchers beyond the unanimity that we already have over the fact that these buildings did not collapse randomly from plane crashes and fires ... and I don't think this is doing any permanent harm to the 9/11 movement and I think people who are blowing it up into something really huge are either sort of panicking or just making a tactical mistake. I think we need to let to the researchers do their research we need to keeping harping on what we know, which is that the official story is a big lie.
Sophia: What I say at the very end of the movie is that whatever this was very unconventional and highly advanced so there may have been a number of techniques used and we won't know because the technologies employed were likely way beyond what we'd commonly have any inkling or grasp of.
Kevin: I think that's a very good point, Sophia, and I've tried to make that point too with people who are really sort of allergic to the idea that some kind of unconventional technology might have been used. And my point would be: Given that this was obviously an inside job from the very top of the US command structure, even though it was probably highly compartmentalized and didn't involve a huge number of people, it would have taken advantage of the most advancement technologies of deception and demolition, and in fact they would have arranged it in such a way that anyone who figured out exactly what happened and described it accurately would sound completely insane. So, I wouldn't rule out anything and I think we need to allow researchers to pursue their own path, and we need to criticize each other in a hopefully amicable manner and we activists need to keep going with what we've got.
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Barrett06.html
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Barrett/0612/20061209_Sat_Barrett1.mp3
Almost sounds to me as if Kevin supports the free exchange of ideas and open research/debate.
Ok...
I don't disagree with Kevin in regards to permanent harm to the movement. The fact that we were lied to, and that there is a MASSIVE cover-up speaks for itself, and nothing Jim Fetzer, Judy Wood, Morgan Reynolds, etc... put forward will permanently harm this movement. However, what they are doing is slowing down the process, and that is unacceptable. They promote nonsense publicly at a time when the media is our biggest adversary, and attack other individuals for not agreeing with their outlandish theories, and ultimately take time away from what we're trying to accomplish. Again, that is unacceptable. I, nor anyone else want to be doing this for the rest of our lives. We activists need to keep going with what we've got, because what we've got is ENOUGH for what we're asking for. A new investigation into the attacks of 9/11.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
Kevin is a Humanities person
and could maybe use a refresher course in the scientific method. I'm a Humanities person, too, and I think one of Professor Jones' substantial contribution has been in carefully delineating just what the scientific method is, in terms that even us Humanities people can readily grasp.
It's VERY simple...
If you are someone with a "voice" in the 9/11 Truth Movement, you do not promote publicly information that might be considered "crazy" in the public view because the media has spent the last 5 years painting us as "crazy", and we DO NOT need to prove them right.
However, that is my opinion. One which I am entitled to.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
And...
The Time For Debate Is Over
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
What I'm sayin'
is that a renewed enthusiasm for the scientific method might better help him discern what sounds crazy.
That's my opinion, to which everyone is entitled.
If you mean...
If someone comes forward and says that it was extra terrestrials that controlled the planes, he shouldn't take it seriously?
I agree.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
The hidden enemy
...at a time when the media is our biggest adversary
I am surprised you haven't realized that the media is always our biggest enemy and perhaps our only true enemy remaining. They are number one, in your face, selling the lie to the public everyday. Until we stop trying to sell our message through the mainstream media propoganda machine, wheels will be spinning for a long time.
...we've got is ENOUGH for what we're asking for. A new investigation into the attacks of 9/11.
Ask yourself, what independant authority are you going to appeal to for this 'new' investigation? What media is then going to convince you of the vality of the new independant investigation results? Taking all the movement's energy, wrapping it up, and throwing it down at the feet of another body of authority for analysis doesn't sound too fruitful to me.
sounds like griffinthink?
You are the independant investigation and have the results. Now you just need to become the media and broadcast the truth.
"become the media"
yep.
He just wants some quote to
He just wants some quote to go along with his blog... Ain't that right Nico?
He just wants some quote to
He just wants some quote to go along with his blog... Ain't that right Nico?
ExoW (Exotic Weapons) !=
ExoW (Exotic Weapons) != Advanced Weaponry
So no, your point was not stated clearly...
prevaricate \prih-VAIR-uh-kayt\, intransitive verb:
To depart from or evade the truth; to speak with equivocation.
w00t!!!
He got DMO!!! (I'm excited cause I love Donna, and because I helped to set that up!!!)
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
Fantastic!
She is one of the best, most articulate and passionate spokespeople for 9/11 truth. I'd love to see her front and center more often. A bonus is that her presence derails the argument that seeking truth disparages the familes' losses.
In fact, I'd love to see her on the Debate Panel this spring.
She's also...
A sweetheart.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
Awwwwwwww...
Awwwwwwww...
She is...
She and I have become friends, and I'm finding out that she's intelligent, funny, and has a good heart. She's good people. I asked if she would let me take her and her husband out to dinner, and she said yes... can't wait for that.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
Double Awwwwwwww... That's
Double Awwwwwwww...
That's what we come for at 911Blogger--heart warming holiday tales for the whole family.
Seriously, that is very sweet.
I know...
Who I would not like to see on that panel...
Jim Fetzer
Judy Wood
Morgan Reynolds
Nico Haupt
Gerard Holmgren
Rosalee Grable
and a few others...
Who I think SHOULD be on the panel (even though I know it would never happen because Fetzer is the team captain) are:
Paul Thompson
Barrie Zwicker
Nafeez Ahmed
Dr. David Ray Griffin
Steven E. Jones
Donna Marsh O'Connor/Lorie Van Auken/Mindy Kleinberg/Patty Casazza
Peter Dale Scott
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
I would add Michael Ruppert
I would add Michael Ruppert to the SHOULD's.
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
That would be a wonderful
That would be a wonderful panel!
The promoters need to anticipate every potential argument. The only addition I would make is a former or current pilot (military or commercial) who can speak with knowledge and authority about the flight issues. Barring that, the panel might try to have prepared statements from such people on hand.
As a former debater, trained to argue either side of an issue, that is where I would go -- discredit the statements about the flights because there is no experience or authority represented.
A true patriot with the
A true patriot with the strength so many men seem to be short of!
CCC-Media: Watch, Read, Think - Decide!
I'm down for Barrett, I
I'm down for Barrett, I think he's brilliant. But the "The Dynamic Duo" is a bad look, Fetzer is going to make him look like disinfo.
open-mindedness
why not be open-minded on anything? are you proposing some dogma?
Hit piece
9/11: The Roots of Paranoia
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061225/hayes
Yeah, it's a sad one, but
Yeah, it's a sad one, but with a silver lining--they've got this gem at the end:
"The antidote, ultimately, to the Truth Movement is a press that refuses to allow the government to continue to lie. "
Note to MSM: do your bloody job or we WILL do it for you!
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
Notice that they are taking a softer more nuanced tone
in their hit pieces. They know that we are now fighting for the hearts and minds of the middle third of the US population and that they have to be alot more sly about how they deflect attention away from the key issues.
Like WTC 7, for instance.
As long as we counter with calm, well-reasoned statements and always include the key facts we will continue to make progress with our grassroots efforts and the truth (and basic physics) will prevail.
We are winning and they know we are winning, and they know that we know that we are winning AND this scares the bejeebers out of them as they are fully committed to the myth (or a limited hangout version of it) and have no where to run or hide. In the next few months as our movement continues to grow we need to start letting those in the media know that when they finally come to their senses we will welcome them and that they need not fear us. However, they should know that we will never allow them to Gatekeep ever again.
We are doing their job and we will have to continue doing it, especially when they try to close down our ability to communicate on the internet.
Stand with the truth, brothers and sisters, and we cannot fail.
THe truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Be well.
Cockburn strikes again
This time in Le Monde Diplomatique, which had a very balanced take on 9/11 Truth some time ago.
http://mondediplo.com/2006/12/02cockups
I saw that... it's just a translation of his same old BS column
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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero
WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
NY Critics Name "United 93" Best Picture.
Barf.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061211/film_nm/awards_dc
Off Topic: Disinfo gets an award
'United 93' gets NY film critic award:
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&st...
You'd think they'd know better in NY.
Breaking -- Atta associate released from prison
Was Mohamed Atta "Close Associate" in Florida a CIA Pilot?
WORLD EXCLUSIVE
Dec 11 2006--Venice,FL
by Daniel Hopsicker
Wolfgang Bohringer, the German pilot who was one of Mohamed Atta’s closest associates in Florida as well as the subject of an FBI terror alert in the South Pacific, was apprehended two weeks ago and taken into custody, but then was almost immediately released after he told authorities responsible for his capture that he works for the CIA.
http://www.madcowprod.com/120112006.html
Someone should get this on the front page.
Seven minutes of Ruppert.
This is some good shiznit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDY6LIKZmIA&mode=related&search=
"I do not deal in conspiracy
"I do not deal in conspiracy theory; I deal in conspiracy FACT."
Classic Ruppert. This video gives a good collection of high-lights from Mikes appearances--I just wish it had been clear it was a collage.
To those who have issues with Mike: remember he is approaching 911 as a homicide detective and you could do worse in a murder investigation, which is what 911 should have been. It hurts to hear but what he says about physical evidence is true: it is a trap because the actual physical evidence, not footage but rubble, steel, plane parts--where applicable--are all controlled by the murderers, as are which experts get heard in the MSM.
I say this as a person who the physical evidence works for; unfortunately most people dont respond to this aspect as well as many truthers. More people have doubts NOW because of how 911 has affected them--the economy, the war--and NOW they are willing to look at the physical stuff.
The strongest point that can be made with physical evidence-in a court of law-is that we dont have it--that is, the perpetrators conspired to destroy, alter or hide it from a murder investigation. That right there makes them accesssories after the fact to murder. Most people can get behind that.
[additional: Mike is safe in Canada now, recovering from health problems. ]
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
An important distinction can be made
how ever, between the evidence that would be used to "convict" and the evidence that can be used to pique someone's interest. Based on my own personal experience of four years of reacting to the circumstantial evidence with disinterest, I don't think it's the sure-fire angle to lead with some people believe it to be. On the other hand, even my sixty-five year old mother (who has a doctoral degree, incidentally) readily acknowledges that it was WTC 7 and the dust that made her realize something fishy was up with the OCT. From there, she was receptive to and interested in the kind of information that's in Press for Truth.
"An important distinction
"An important distinction can be made how ever, between the evidence that would be used to "convict" and the evidence that can be used to pique someone's interest."
I agree entirely. I just think some of us need to keep the difference in mind when we debate. Especially when the debate devolves to this point:
TRUTHER: But these squibs PROVE there were explosions!
DOUBTER: That's just DUST being ejected from the pancaking floors!
T: Squibs!
D: Dust!
T: SQUIBS!
D:DUST!
Repeat for ...hours? Days?
Anyway, that's me.
"Bugger this; I want a better world."
Help on this board!
This is off topic but:
Can someone help me let these guys know the truth?
It's a huge board and pretty much only me and Solar are helping out.
Read the last 30 or so comments, look at what they are saying back to me and see if you can help me out with stuff I missed.
Thanks!
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/12/your_friday_dose_of_woo_and_no...
I want to help, I really do,
I want to help, I really do, but I don't think I'd be be much help.
You have to understand something about these debates: it is NOT about the evidence--it's about POWER.
Really. And you, mate, are fighting on their turf. You have to ask yourself what you hope to accomplish--because you know you WILL NOT change the minds of the people there right now. They have no doubts--that's why we are mocked as "woo" to them. The only thing I can see you win with is helping a person reading but not decided see another side.
Don't get upset when they don't respond, but continue pointing it out, while freely sharing links. Make sure your links are solid, especially if you use Alex. You ARE NOT speaking to the wankers you are debating--you are speaking to the faceless reader who is trying to decide. That should be your focus anyway. You are not going to win anything dirrectly except maybe debating them to a temporary standstill, a la Friday.
Tactics, that's what I can help with. Meanwhile I'll check back and if something occurs to me I'll jump in. Good luck.
911 truth on Science blogs HAS made headway
Col. Sparks:
I respectfully disagree.
Card51short (you go man!) and I have been doing the heavy lifting over at science blog for four days now....
There are MANY posters, some are jerks, some are shills, some really want to hear what the truthers are all about.
The lead piece tried to paint 911 truthers as "woo" - that is, all about holograms and no planes.
We have (I am convinced) done a good job showing them the the official story is a lie.
I have avoided any theory of what really happend and just focused on the various reasons to doubt the official consipiracy story.
I get the sense that the defenders of the OCT want the last word because they know a lot of people read that blog.
So far, I would say we are winning!
Yes, we could use some help.
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All aspects of the truth are consistent
"I respectfully
"I respectfully disagree."
And I respect that.
To clarify, you have my support and you're doing a great job. But from what I read I only saw a couple of people I wouldn't call jerks. And they will have the last word, because they can control when the discussion stops(correct me on this point if I'm wrong).
But I am glad you reminded me of how the discussion started--them saying 911 is all about holograms and no planes. I MIGHT be able to work with that.
Woo?!?!
A 'scientific' web site who's members make up grade school names for those they don't agree with?
Do they say you have Cooties, if you don't buy the official lie, too?
Laughable.
"Laughable." Very. To be
"Laughable."
Very. To be fair, we've been naming anonymous trolls after Sesame Street characters, but that was after provocation.
Looks like these people are about as scientific as Popular Mechanics.
big deal if true
7/7 Witness: Bus Was Diverted To Tavistock Sq. By Two Unmarked Cars
Soon to be published account will detail the plot and cover up of the number 30 bus bombing
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, December 11, 2006
A soon to be published narrative of the number 30 bus bombing on 7/7 in London claims that the Hackney bus was diverted to Tavistock Square by two unmarked cars which then left the scene at high speed after the drivers had conversed with police in the area.
The witness, named "Daniel", has a blog here and a website here. He states:
I was aboard the lower deck of the bus that was blown up on July 7th. I rang the emergency hotline to report the 2 dark cars I saw holding the bus up and diverting it towards Tavistock Square. Instead of being asked to provide a statement what followed was 7 months of police surveillance and Harassment. My experiences are contained in a book called Statement: The 4th Bomb (as yet unpublished)
The number 30 bus was diverted away from its usual route along Euston road on the morning of 7/7, reportedly because of road closures in the Kings Cross area (due to the earlier tube bombings). We personally visited the site of the bus bombing at Tavistock Place and verified that no number 30 bus usually travels down that road. This footage can be seen in Alex Jones' latest film Terrorstorm.
http://www.infowars.net/articles/december2006/111206Daniel.htm
BBC editors want to hear from you!
The BBC is doing a upcoming episode of the CT of 911. The editors of BBC have posted a blog on it, and comments are being accepted (mine, like many others pro Truth comments have been posted).
Go over there and tell them what you think. As ALWAYS first impressions mean a lot, so keep it professional-like please.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/12/the_danger_with_conspiraci...
Some of the posts are about Diana
Read the blog and/or read through the comments.
Who...
Wants to bite the bullet, and buy Uncle Jon today's show from GCN featuring family member Donna Marsh O'Connor?
The Time For Debate Is Over
Don't...
Forget...
The Time For Debate Is Over