Gore Vidal was on Alex Jones - 10/23/2006
Reprehensor Mon, 10/23/2006 - 12:12pm
Alex welcomes historian, author and political analyst Gore Vidal to discuss the 9/11 Truth Movement and the role of the Bush Junta in 9/11
11am - 2pm Central.
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vidal is a
vidal is a lihop...dissapointing
Are you sure he'll stay that forever?
Are you sure he'll stay that forever? Are you sure he still thinks the "Let It Happen On Purpose" (LIHOP) theory?
Don't you first want to listen to what he actually says in the show?
Even if he promotes "Let It Happen On Purpose" only -- don't you know that the first stage for most people who came to finally believe they "Made It Happen On Purpose" (MIHOP) was "LIHOP"?
i did listen...he's
i did listen...he's lihop...and he's too smart to not know what's really going on. but thanks for the tip.
Still.... LIHOP leads most people to think about MIHOP
OK -- I (mis)took the parent story for an announcement of a program to go live in the (near) future.
My other statement, implying "LIHOP leads to MIHOP" is still true (for most common people).
Criminally Speaking, It doesn't Matter
Criminally and morally speaking, there is no difference between LIHOP and MIHOP. They're both treason and intentional complicity in mass-murder. Under U.S. federal law, the criminal penalty for either is the death penalty.
But I do agree that it is important to get it right, because LIHOP continues with the government-created lie that there exists an al-Qaeda, and other large-scale terrorist organizations, independent from the Western intelligence agencies. Whereas the reality is that such large-scale terrorist organizations were founded by, and continue to be funded and directed by, the Western intelligence agencies in order to manufacture pretexts for setting up a police state domestically and for global domination, i.e., for more power and control.
With LIHOP, people are incorrectly still lead to believe that there are, e.g., large organizations of Arabs, independant from Western governmental direction, that committed the 9/11 attacks and want to continue to commit similar terrorist acts. So with LIHOP, people are still falsely lead to believe that there is a great war of civilizations underway, when the truth is what it has always been: the war has always been between the parasitical ruling elite and their fed-upon, subjugated masses.
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."--H. L. Mencken
Right-On James Redford
"The war has always been between the parasitical ruling elite and their fed-upon, subjugated masses." I couldn't have said it better myself. That is the story of the human race. Now is the time for that BS to come to an end. That is why I chose to be a total anarchist. I look up to or take orders from nobody. (except my wife)
Vidal Solid LIHOP
Good interview. He's in the LIHOP camp, but talked about the ISI $100k transfer to Atta and how the media is in bed with the government. Good stuff Alex!
yeah, the old story of the incompetence
He said Bush & co. let it happen, because they are not capable of anything so difficult as carrying out 9/11, because they are inept & etc.
I don't know why all democrats are lining behind this idea of incompetence, when it is obvious that the incompetence is staged to get more money and draconian laws and whatever is needed to "make up for the mistakes".
I mean, they rigged elections, forced congress to accept incredible laws, forced most of the countries of the world to follow behind them with unjust and crazy laws... they're not incompetent at all!!
I agree, disappointing position by mr Vidal here.
The problem is, they ARE incompetent
But, BUSH is NOT THE ONE RUNNING THE SHOW!
The debate is not being framed in the right context.
The facts are that 1) 9/11 was an inside job (MIHOP), and 2) Bush is incompetent.
Bush did NOT plan 9/11. He IS too incompetent. But those around him, along with many people before them in government, did plan it and make it happen. Bush knew, but he was not the planner.
The point, that should be explained to people like Vidal, is that we can have both incompetence AND MIHOP, not one vs. the other.
i don't trust this guy
tough to explain that to him when he is a cousin of both al gore and jimmy carter.
thank you! exactly how i
thank you! exactly how i feel. Bush was never even suppossed to be president, that was always Jebs job. W ran every business he had into the ground, he has always been a dim bulb. not that Jeb isnt, but Jeb was the one that was always groomed for the job. W was off doing coke and running his car drunkenly into stop signs while Jeb was being groomed for the presidency. Bush knew after the fact, in my opinion and knew enough not to rock the boat and play the good puppet president.(which is another reason why i find the "angel is next" scenario so interesting and likely) hes been doing that ever since 9/11. he knows his place now. hes not like his father, he doesnt know how to run black-ops.
You are right.
I think they* delibertly chose Bush as the "face" of the Admin because he is a incompitent bumbbling idiot fool. That's what they want to be seen as. If everyone thinks you are a fool, a below-average IQ idiot with no class, they will think you are too stupid to be responsible for pulling off such great crimes with intent. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the admin who put out those "bushisms" books - it totally plays into their plan.
* "They" being whoever it is who's pulling the strings - I'm guessing (no expert) that the members of the Bush Admin are working for the Saudis and that it was the Saudis who planned and worked with our government to carry out the September 11th attacks. Look at a map of the Middle East. Wouldn't it make sense that the Saudis would desire to expand their empire ~ using American lives and funds to do so?
A smart plan, really.
Someone with brains formulated what we have seen over the past 5 years. Someone with a carnage-lusting, greedy, unspiritual brain.
Power
It has been longer than 5 years. It probably goes back to LBJ's time if not further. This is not an American power, but rather a global power and it involves many nations. This is why so many people at the top refuse to speak out. It is an insidious and evil force, far more powerful than we can imagine.
Wouldn't Israel be the far more likely accomplice?
The many (15?) dual US/Israeli PNAC members and Administration job-holders. The "Dancing Art Students". The Odigo fore-warning. The Mossad that seemed to follow the "hijackers" around the country.
Then, post-9/11, Americans are killing the Muslim enemies of Israel, while Israel gets to stand by.
I'm sure it was a too-good-to-be true fantasy for certain Zionists that a traumatized American public would one day view Muslims as feared enemies ("They hate your freedoms"). Well, 9/11 took care of that.
fool
I disagree, I think that GW is smart enough to play the bumbling fool. He is no idiot, but he does a great job at acting like one. Mission accomplished!
clearly you havent followed
clearly you havent followed the mans careers. hes borderline retarded. its not an act. really, his own father gave up on him and was resigned to the fact that one of his sons was going to be a drunk cokehead and not much more. his own father handed him numerous businesses which he promptly ran right into the ground. he is a figurehead and if his last name wast Bush would have NEVER had a shot at the White House. the man is clearly a puppet. like i said, they always just assumed Jeb would be the one that they groomed for the White House because W was always so busy screwing things up. he didnt get into politics until Rove latched onto him and turned him into a born-again dry drunk.
this guy is an insider
why trust this guy? he's a cousin of jimmy carter and al gore.
You're related to Al Gore?
Actually, he's related to me.
How?
Well, he's a cousin, a blood cousin. And I have actually never met him, although members of the family have tried to arrange meetings and I've talked to his people. But as I repeatedly say, although I am probably resigned to Nader, in the long run Gore is thicker than Nader.
Say what?
Gore is another word for blood. So although I am coming out for Nader I will at the end of the day, as they say in the House of Representatives, discover that Gore is thicker than Nader.
vidal is smart enough to
vidal is smart enough to know that it goes farther than lihop...world history provides testimony to the fact that mihops happen a various times....and 911 is clearly a mihop...bush is only a puppet and a smoke screen.
i'm disappointed in vidal and his what ever is preventing a clearly intelligent man from seeing a very simple truth that you can't impede air defense and have lihop at the same time.
Actually you can impeded air
Actually you can impeded air defense and have LIHOP at the same time. That's what LIHOP means. That they stalled our defenses and let the attack happen.
you have to impede air
you have to impede air defense ON PURPOSE
Do you understand what LIHOP
Do you understand what LIHOP stands for? It stands for let it happen on purpose. What are you actually trying to say, because so far you aren't saying anything.
Logic impossible to avoid.
I think the Anon is making a very succinct point of how MiHOP is a natural progression (if not impossible to avoid) from once accepting the first inescapable LiHOP. It's like a gravity well.... we're all being sucked in. A one way trip.
Actively making sure that our air defenses don't interfere...
...is also MIHOP....making sure something doesn't happen (defense against the "attacks") to prevent the attacks, is the same thing as MIHOP, just as complicit.
Pick your level of evil....purposely ignoring warnings, making sure the attacks succeeded by disarming our defenses, or using criminal elements to commit the attacks....is there really any difference in the grand scheme of things? I think not. They are all Treason.
seeing that you and i are on
seeing that you and i are on the same team i'll try to be polite...but when a group of people make sure that air defense is compromised in order for something to occur then they made it happen on purpose...they did something...they didn't just sit back and cross their fingers hoping the intercepted plan of the enemy would succeed on it's own....SO, if it was a normal day in the wonderful world of military affairs, the pentagon would have never been hit and more than likely the second tower...and possibly the first tower.
I agree that a coherent
I agree that a coherent LIHOP position would most likely include actions that facilitated the attack. My understanding is that the difference between MIHOP and LIHOP is where the attack originated and not whether or not US insiders facilitated it. Both LIHOP and MIHOP are "IHOP" positions.
Where's that archive...
NWO.something or other...
www.nw0.info
nw0.info
and that's a zero not an o
it will be up around 330 when the show is over
the history channel has a
the history channel has a nazi rise to power line-up on today that is very much in step with the vidal interview...the documentaries are disturbingly familiar in regard to today's happenings.
i felt as if vidal was offering a not-so-limited hang-out...but still covering up the bigger picture of history....or the driving forces that carrol quigley unveils in his doorstop of a book, tragedy and hope.
Philip Dru: Administrator
Another book that everyone should read, in addition to tragedy and hope, is Philip Dru Administrator. It was written by Colonel Mandell House. Here's a short overview of House, and the book. Please check it out.
http://unitedelite.net/house.html
thanks...that book is a
thanks...that book is a blueprint more or less.
What was the purpose of this
What was the purpose of this show?
what?
what?
For those who passed on clicking this link
Here's a glimse of what you'll find
In 1910 Colonel Edward Mandell House anonymously published Philip Dru: Administrator - A Story of Tomorrow. Colonel House was a top political advisor to President Wilson and President Roosevelt. He was also the founder of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). (he was also the one that got the Federal Reserve Act passed, as well as the graduated income tax)
Colonel House envisioned himself as Philip Dru, the man who would conspire to conquer the U.S. by causing a Great Depression, electing a puppet President, then weaken the country to point of Civil War, destroy the Constitution, and finally write a new Constitution with Philip Dru as dictator of a new socialistic state and a world government.
whoa
chill people . . . at least he came on the show and was receptive to talking about it . . . it's not our job to convince Gore Vidal (if anything, he probably knows and is pretending, like so many others, because of their careers and connections) . . . Joe Sixpack sure as hell doesn't know or care who Gore Vidal is - oh yeah, until you explain he's a relative of Al Gore, e.g., The Devil. So Joe Sixpack equates Gore Vidal with The Devil. So why wring hands over whether Vidal is a LIHOP or an MIHOP.
Am I saying it's right to ignore 911 truth for political/career reasons? No. But, when dealing with left-wing "gatekeepers", we must be cognizant of this probability in order to stay focused on the things/people/outlets that matter.
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Isn't LIHOP just as evil and
Isn't LIHOP just as evil and illegal and treasonous as MIHOP...the difference between the two is just exactly which circle of hell (figuratively speaking) the perpetrators deserve. Besides, if we can get a media toe-hold on LIHOP, MIHOP (or the investigation that could prove MIHOP) is just a stone's throw away...
yes
I think many people who may say they are LIHOP'rs are just afraid to either take the next step to MIHOP or they have already done so in their mind, but they're afraid to say it. It's easier to have a bunch of unknowns push the envelope to the next level . . . and I think that may very well be where it's heading . . . patience . . .
Yes.... patience....
They may not be so afraid (I'll wager that Gore Vidal has very little trouble with fear), so much as calculating. I put Oberman in this category too, and believe it or don't (please don't come down on me too hard) but I think even nappy Amy could be calculating a bit (if only just a bit) more than We in the "9/11 From the Roof Tops" crowd give her credit for.
These kinds of people ARE walking a tight and narrow rope in the opinion of BOTH our camp, as well the Bush camp.
I'm not trying to make a capital case here... just blogging.
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"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.
The criminality of LIHOP is
The criminality of LIHOP is just as damning as MIHOP and the evidence for a LIHOP position is solid and not speculative.
Gore Vidal's LIHOP Observer Article
Below is Gore Vidal's article "The Enemy Within," which deals with the U.S. government's intentional complicity in the 9/11 attacks; first published in the print edition of the Observer (U.K.) on Sunday, October 27, 2002:
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/EnemyWithin.html (This version has hyperlinked references.)
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/enemywithin.html
http://9-11congress.netfirms.com/Vidal.html
http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/pr_gore_vidal.html (A copy of this article at Congressman Jim McDermott's website.)
And also see the article below on Gore Vidal's above article "The Enemy Within," published by the same news agency:
"Gore Vidal claims 'Bush junta' complicit in 9/11--America's most controversial novelist calls for an investigation into whether the Bush administration deliberately allowed the terrorist attacks to happen," Sunder Katwala, Observer (U.K.), October 27, 2002 http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,819931,00.html
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."--H. L. Mencken
It's LIHOP (which is weak)
...but it's strong, informed LIHOP.
And notice in the Guardian article, he leads by saying "we don't know who did it, but..."
This is really, really, really good news.
Way more credible than Charlie Sheen. This will get more than some reluctant, intellectual deniers to finally come aboard, I imagine.
Why does Alex insist on
Why does Alex insist on getting people on his show and trying to get them to agree to his version of 9/11 truth? who cares what Gore Vidal thinks?
I don't like Alex's "get'm" either....
...however a lot of people DO care what Gore Vidal thinks... and a lot more people may yet have heard of Gore, more than 911blogger. (even though the hit counter is really cool)
"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.
How to listen on infowars.com?
Hi yall,
For whatever lame reason I don't know where to "click" for recently archived (?) interviews on the site. Any help? Specifically, where do I go for the Vidal....
Thanks
Here is a link to the archived stream...
http://www.nfowars.net:443/stream1.pls
This other person does unauthorized (I think it's unauthorized, archiving of the infowars show);
But it's also non-profit.
http://nw0.info/?p=Radio/Alex%20Jones%20Radio%20Archive/2006/October/23/
Thanks much
: )
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