Could Barbara Olson Have Made Those Calls?
Could Barbara Olson Have Made Those Calls?
An Analysis of New Evidence about Onboard Phones
David Ray Griffin and Rob Balsamo
Prefatory Note: When we, in this jointly authored article, need to refer to only one of us, the appropriate initials---DRG or RB--are used.
06/26/07 - Did American Airlines 77---the flight that, according to the official conspiracy theory about 9/11, struck the Pentagon---have onboard phones? This question is relevant to the possible truth of the official theory, because Ted Olson, who was then the US Solicitor General, claimed that his wife, Barbara Olson, called him twice from this flight using an onboard phone.
He did, to be sure, waver on this point. CNN, which mentioned in a story posted just before midnight on 9/11 that Barbara Olson had used a cell phone to call her husband, reported in a more extensive treatment, posted at 2:06 AM (EDT) on September 12, that Ted Olson had told it that his wife “called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77.”1 But on September 14, Olson said on Hannity & Colmes (Fox News) that she had called collect and therefore must have been using the “airplane phone”---because, he surmised, “she somehow didn’t have access to her credit cards.”2 On CNN’s Larry King Show later that same day, however, Olson returned to his first version. After saying that the second call from her suddenly went dead, he surmised that this was perhaps “because the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don’t work that well.”3 On that same day, moreover, Tony Mauro, the Supreme Court correspondent for American Lawyer Media, published an account saying that Barbara Olson “was calling on her cell phone from aboard the jet.”4 Two months later, however, Ted Olson returned to the second version of his story. In the “Barbara K. Olson Memorial Lecture” delivered to the Federalist Society, he said that she used “a telephone in the airplane to [make] those two telephone [calls].”5 This second version was repeated in March 2002. “[C]alling collect,” he told the London Daily Telegraph, his wife “us[ed] the phone in the passengers’ seats.” She called collect, he again surmised, because “she didn’t have her purse” and hence her credit card.6
This revised version of his story has evidently gone virtually unnoticed in the American press. A year after 9/11, for example, CNN was still reporting that Barbara Olson used a cell phone.7 Nevertheless, Ted Olson’s statement to the Federalist Society and the Telegraph---that she called collect using a passenger-seat phone---was apparently his final word on the matter...
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Addressing the Supreme Court
Addressing the Supreme Court of the United States of America, US Solicitor General Theodore Olson said it is "easy to imagine an infinite number of situations . . . where government officials might quite legitimately have reasons to give false information out."
http://www.geocities.com/subliminalsuggestion/olson.html
just a side note, Ted Olson is currently the top choice to take over for Alberto Gonzalez when hes finally forced to step down.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
But, Ted Olson would have to endure a confirmation hearing...
...before the Senate, right? And, Dennis Kucinich is a senator, right. So, Kooky would be able to grill Olson on his fabrication of the phone calls from his wife, right? And, and, and Gravel is a senator, too, right? So Mean Mike could grind away at Olson, too, right?
Yeah, right.
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
The Zacarias M. Trial has already proved no phone call
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/calls/Flight77/BarbaraO...
According to the Zacarias Moussaoui Prosecution Trial, Barbara Olson's phone call lasted ZERO seconds. This means, that she attempted a phone call, and never got connected.
Regarding the controversy surrounding all of these phone calls, a likely scenario becomes apparent: Many phone calls may have NOT taken place, or did not connect to the intended recipient. In this event, the Mainstream media merely FABRICATED the supposed CONTENT of these calls. This is a FAR much more plausible scenario than fake passengers calling loved ones, in my opinion.
There is far too much speculation in this article. I don't know if Olsen used a cell phone, air phone, had a credit card, if airphones existed on the plane, or whatever else. We don't know. This article has not cleared up these details. We don't need to speculate, the FBI has already PROVED that Olsen is a Liar. We should force the government to account for its own lies.
"If further investigation should reveal that Flight 77 did, after all, have onboard phones, Ted Olson’s story would still be extremely implausible, for many reasons."
It's already implausible. The FBI claims IN A TRIAL, the phone call lasted ZERO seconds! I don't know how much more implausible it could get.
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/calldetail.html
“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."
I don't believe anything that was said by anyone at the absurd,
staged trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. Also, I find it more likely that Ted Olson or our Gov't would have fabricated his wife's call, not the media.
It doesn't even matter if you "believe" it
All you have to do is point to it and ask the government to explain their own contradictory facts. They are the ones responsible for this information.
It's facts like "there is no molten steel" in the NIST report, when they are contradicted by the previous FEMA report that are so devastating.
Hang them with their own words.
“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."
But your post implies that Barbara Olson did indeed make or
try to make a phone call--lasted zero seconds. I don't believe this for a second, because I don't believe that AA-77 is what exploded at the Pentagon!
The Gov't will always explain their own contradictory facts by
saying that someone made a mistake.
mmmm, let's see,...
...we have the short drop, the suspension, the standard drop, and the long drop.
Nope. Sorry sir. I'm afraid that we have no "hanging them with their own words."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging
Perhaps I might could interest the gentleman in our Gary Gilmore Special?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firing_Squad
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
from the Firing Squad article:
The firing squad is commonly used to execute spies; the renowned World War I spy Mata Hari was executed in this manner. It is often considered a particularly honorable method of execution,[citation needed] and as such is intentionally not used for war criminals, who are often hanged — a penalty associated with common criminals.
"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective — a New World Order — can emerge..." - George H.W. Bush, 9/11/91
Not trying to change the
Not trying to change the subject, but doughnut, is that supposed to be an anti-Ron Paul banner? Are you saying your against Ron Paul because you disagree with his stance on abortion? If so, do you know what his stance is?
the signature lines on
the signature lines on comments isn't intended to have images, that would obviously get way out of hand.. please re-update your signature with text. (this goes for anyone else that i may have missed as well).
thanks.
Sorry about that
I thought I had seen others with images in their signatures.
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http://www.chico911truth.org/
R( \ )n P( \ )ul 2( \ )08 ==> A Woman's Right To Choose Is Sacrosanct!
Thanks!
Thanks doughnut, I wasn't aware of yet another aspect of Ron Paul that I don't agree with. He's right on a few things, but also makes bad calls. He exists, I expect, only to round up one type of voter (L) into the R camp when he stands down and Ghouliani steps in.
doughnut,
Do you believe that Roe v. Wade "legalized" abortion?
Do you know what the question before the court was that resulted in the decision in Roe v. Wade?
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
well, maybe that woman
well, maybe that woman should have chosen not to get pregnant.. for the most cases anyway..
And what about a man's right to choose? Is denying a man his child fair?
anyway, talk about blow back...
Sorry for being so crass but
Sorry for being so crass but a man looses his right to choose the second he blows his wad. A woman's body is her property and no one else's. To assume otherwise is in effect giving one man possession over another's body.
Abortion is an unalienable right
I've chosen to support Ron Paul. And that means, for me, just talking to people about who he is, and why he is different than the other ReTHUGlicans. I'm sorry, but there HAS NEVER, nor EVER WILL BE, an ideal political candidate. To assume otherwise reflects a naivety that most people on this site simply do not possess.
If you want to be free, be free. You definitely do not need Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, Dick Cheney, or ANYONE to do so. Run down the street in your underwear, conceal your weapon on campus, crank the music to 11 - whatever, your life is your life.
I believe that abortion is an unalienable right. Neither the government, nor a stranger (i.e. doctor) have the right to tell you what to do with such a critical decision. Anti-choicers are generally very much brainwashed with religious dogma that constrains a lot more than their opinions on other peoples' RIGHTS. Their rights end where mine begin, and vice versa. The social contract. Or as the Beatles said, LET IT BE!
While I personally reject anti-choice politicking, it is an unfortunate reality, esp. in the (R) camp. Abortion is a HUGE issue in Texas (single-issue voting is always the worst, What's the Matter with Kansas? is a good review of the situation), but the reality is that Roe v. Wade will NOT be overturned in our lifetimes, just like marijuana will never be legalized. Babies will be aborted. Bongs will be purchased for illicit means. Such is life in America.
I still say that Ron Paul is the best thing available in this thoroughly corrupted system, so while I don't agree with 100% of his platform, I don't even want to. The only person that knows how to make 911truthmachine 100% politically happy is 911truthmachine!
"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective — a New World Order — can emerge..." - George H.W. Bush, 9/11/91
They are ALL the same
It doesn't matter if it's President Hillary, President Obama, President Edwards, President Ron Paul Jones, President Ghouliani, etc.
Except that some, like Bush, really are that much worse than most of the others. (and Daddy Bush, Piss-Trickle-Down-On-Our-Heads-Reagan, and Tricky DICK Nixon were exceptionally bad, as well)
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http://www.chico911truth.org/
R( \ )n P( \ )ul 2( \ )08 ==> A Woman's Right To Choose Is Sacrosanct!
tune in to revolution radio
tune in to revolution radio with mike swenson tonight for drg and rb for more info
http://www.truthorlies.org/
http://www.truthnetradio.com/
Barbara Olson
The suggestion that the wife of the guy who petitioned the Supreme Court for Bush during the 2000 recount was on the plane that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon was one of the first red flags for me regarding 9/11.
Even if Barbara Olson could have made those calls, why would
she? Was she really on board a plane (AA-77) on which supermen (Hani Hanjour & his fellow flunkies) had box-cut the pilots & were flying the airliner 250 miles from Ohio back to D.C.? Why would Barbara report this to her husband when we know this did not occur?
How could the AA-77 with a 125' wingspan disappear into an initial impact hole of 16' in diameter? What happened to the two huge steel/titanium engines, the 250 seats, & the luggage? How could all that be obliterated, yet they ID'ed 63 of 64 people on that plane using their DNA?
Does anyone remember an interview Ted Olsen did
I believe it was the weekend after 9-11, on one of the M$M talking head shows that runs at night?
It was a one on one interview and Olsen described in great detail the events of that day and the phone calls with his wife. I remember in this interview, he claimed there were 3 Phone Calls. The first two are the ones that become part of the official myth. The third call came right before the plane crashed supposedly. Olsen claimed that during this call they said their good-byes and the kinds of thing that 'two people who loved each other would say'. If anyone else remembers this interview or can find a copy of the video, it would blow Olsen's story to hell?
Is this what you seek?
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
America's New War: Recovering From Tragedy
Aired September 14, 2001 - 21:00 ET
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/14/lkl.00.html
<--snip-->
KING: How does the second conversation end?
OLSON: We are -- we segued back and forth between expressions of feeling for one another and this effort to exchange information. And then the phone went dead. I don't know whether it just got cut off again, because the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don't work that well, or whether that was the impact with the Pentagon.
<--end snip-->
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
Good find, but that's not the one I'm looking for
This was a more 'serious' program, like something that would run on PBS.
However, this interview is from the same weekend and the content is very similar. One of the problems with Olsen, is that his story seems to change every time he tells it, so it's hard to keep track of all the different versions. For example, in the King interview, he claims Barbara didn't not ID any of the hijackers, yet in other interviews he claims she said 'Arabs' had hijacked the plane. Yet, this guy was one of the countries top lawyers and he can't keep his own story straight.
Umm, have you read this yet?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/amrarticle.html
Don't DRG and RB provide for most, if not all, of those different versions of Olson's story? That Olson's story differed so much, so many times and that he also flipflopped with his versions is sort of the center-piece of thier analysis.
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
Guilty
If I remember correctly he did an interview on the evening of her funeral which I found very odd. What was the hurry. She also was not originally supposed to be on that plane. She changed the date of her trip for his birthday. The fact that he claims to have talked with her implicates him in the crime.
I didn't know they had only been married for 7 weeks
Supposedly they had been in a 'committed' relationship for 11 years.
I wonder if he took out any life insurance policies on her when they got married?
Curious, what her maiden name was and why she went Olson if they weren't married.
DoYouEverWonder...
...how anybody finds this stuff?
google? "barbara olson" obituary
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22barbara+olson%22+obituary&btnG=Search&...
Barbara Olson
Last Updated: 12:59pm GMT 22/11/2001
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/14/db01.xml
BARBARA OLSON, who has been killed aged 45 when her flight was hijacked by terrorists and crashed into the Pentagon, came to prominence as an investigator for the United States Congress during the Clinton scandals of the 1990s and as the author of Hell to Pay (1999), an excoriating, no-holds-barred biography of Hillary Clinton.
A clever, tough, brave lawyer, Barbara Olson was a frequent and outspoken pundit on such American television talk shows as Larry King Live and Crossfire at the time of the scandals surrounding Monica Lewinsky and, more recently, Chandra Levy. Married to the US Solicitor General Theodore Olson, a close aide and friend of President George W Bush, she was a prominent member of Washington's conservative elite; this group, which also included the Supreme Court Judge Clarence Thomas and the independent counsel Kenneth Starr, prompted Hillary Clinton to complain of a "vast right-wing conspiracy".
Barbara Olson was born Barbara Bracher at Houston, Texas, on December 27 1955. After graduating with a BA from Houston's University of St Thomas in 1978, she became a professional ballet dancer, performing in Houston, New York and San Francisco. She then went to Los Angeles to become a producer and save enough money to finance her law degree, which she received in 1989 from the Benjamin Cardozo Law School at Yeshiva University in New York. She spent three years working for the law firm of Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering in Washington, before serving as an assistant US attorney for the District of Columbia from 1992 until 1995, prosecuting drug cases.
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From 1995 to 1996 Barbara Olson served as Chief Investigative Counsel for the House Committee on Government Reform and Oversight. There she proved herself an intrepid collector and reviewer of documents regarding Hillary Clinton's supposed involvement in the White House's controversial firing of employees at its travel office, and the White House's murky acquisition of more than 900 FBI security files of past White House employees, mostly Republicans.
Barbara Olson had seen to it that Mrs Clinton answered written interrogatories under oath regarding the travel office dismissals and hence opened herself to perjury. The final judgment of Independent Counsel Robert Ray was that although Mrs Clinton had not been truthful she would not be prosecuted.
In 1996, Barbara Olson went on to serve as General Counsel to Senate Assistant Majority Leader, Senator Don Nickles. There she worked on the campaign finance investigation into President Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign.
After her work on the various congressional committees, Barbara Olson wrote Hell to Pay: The Unfolding Story of Hillary Rodham Clinton. The book, which accused Mrs Clinton of trying to "foment revolutionary changes from the uniform of a pink suit" was highly critical of the Clintons and sold very well. Hillary Clinton got her own back by voting against Ted Olson's appointment as Solicitor General when it came before the Senate in May 2001. Just weeks ago Senator Clinton was introduced to Barbara Olson in the Senate dining room; Hillary Clinton turned from Barbara Olson after saying: "I know who you are." Unabashed, Barbara Olson shot back: "And I know who you are. I wrote 300 pages about you."
On her numerous television and radio appearances Barbara Olson could always be relied upon to say what she thought with humour and audacity. She was a forceful advocate for the principles of Reagan conservatism, and was also often called on to analyse the legal elements in political scandals. Most recently, she was invited to discuss the role of Congressman Gary Condit in the mysterious disappearance of Chandra Levy, the 24-year-old intern with whom he had allegedly been having an affair.
Before that Barbara Olson had had much to say about the executive pardons that Bill Clinton granted in his last days in the presidency and the Clintons' removal of White House furnishings before they left. She recently finished a book about the Clintons' departure from the White House entitled The Final Days, which is due to be published this autumn.
Besides being a courageous adversary, known for her quick wit and sharp political and legal analysis, Barbara Olson was noted for her stylish dress sense - she favoured royal blue power suits with skirts erring just on the right side of decency - and blonde, blue-eyed, all-American good looks. At 45, she still turned heads.
She and her husband lived in an attractive country house outside Washington in the rolling hills of northern Virginia. There she kept two Australian shepherd dogs, Reagan (Ted Olson had been the 40th president's lawyer) and Maggie, named after another of their conservative heroes, Baroness Thatcher.
Barbara Olson was utterly untouched by self-importance, and one of Washington's most popular hostesses - each year she and her husband held a lively outdoor dinner in the grounds of their home for the Federalist Society, a legal association that has become the Bush Administration's chief pool for Federal court appointees.
On the day she died, Barbara Olson had delayed her planned flight so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his 61st birthday. Shortly after take-off, she called the Justice Department, where her husband worked, to say that the aircraft had been hijacked and the passengers had been herded into the back.
She had locked herself in the lavatory and had to call 10 times before she could persuade the operators to accept the call charges. Her last words to her husband - who had time to tell her that two planes had already hit the World Trade Centre - were "What do I tell the pilot to do?"
THERE AIN'T NO IN-FLIGHT PHONES IN THE LAVATORY! WHERE ARE THE RECORDS OF THOSE CALLS BEING MADE FROM HER CELL PHONE?
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
Good find, turned my
Good find, turned my stomach, but good find. She bellied ached about the "furnishings" when those were gifts (every president takes his gifts) and the pardons are done by every president in his last days. I didn't realize she claimed to use the phone from the lavatory!
Those phones needed credit cards, not operator charges. And she made 10 calls. unbelievable that people might believe this.
Barbara Olson's "Phone Call" From Flight 77 by Joe Vialls
It is brief, and a must read, IMO:
http://www.geocities.com/subliminalsuggestion/olson.html
So where's Barbara
She's probably hanging out with Ken Lay on a tropical island. Let's get her on
America's most wanted - right after Osama Bin Forgotten. I thought Ted seemed
a little too chipper on CNN considering he was talking about his recently deceased wife.
The revolution continues.
I thought the same thing,
I thought the same thing, when I saw him on the evening of the funeral going on TV for an interview, he just didn't seem hurt. If he was he wouldn't be grabbing the spot light. He would have been truly in a mess like the rest of us.