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Dr. Jones & Dr. Deagle debate the 'micro-fusion' hypothesis
(You'll need to turn the volume way up to hear the conversation clearly, be sure to turn it back down when you move on!)
On the final day of the Vancouver 9/11 Conference, Dr. William Deagle gave a presentation that included a hypothesis that suggests 'micro-fusion' devices may have been used to facilitate the destruction of the World Trade Center. Necessarily, this captured the interest of Jones, who has a relevant educational background.

Jones and Deagle bumped into each other following Deagle's talk, and proceeded to debate the merits of this hypothesis.

After exchanging a few remarks, and attracting a crowd, film-maker Jim Brewster suggested that they take the debate to a more controlled environment. The resulting debate was documented by Brewster, a production crew for Soul Tree digital entertainment, and myself. Versions of this interview with much better production quality are coming down the pipe, but in the meantime, here's my version for people to view.
This is not my final word on the conference, which was viewed as a success by all participants, and I'll blog more later.
Interesting new evidence presented by Prof Jones...
Near the end...
Something about "red colored tiny egg shell like fragments" of unspent components of thermate.
Dr Deagle did better than I thought he would, at least he's totally dismissed "no planes" and "DEW".
I still don't buy the mini-nukes at the WTC (especially as a lot of this fourth generation technology was "word of mouth" by special black op, top top secret etc).
The one question I would have like him to be asked, was about his chain of custody, where his samples were got from and how he knew it was part of his special 10% zone...
I suppose we'll have to see what he comes up with and what Prof Jones has to say.
Good debate though.
Best wishes
**ADDED - Direct link to "Debate" on Google Video (opens in new window)**
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1184826770885695772
Deagle did not "dismiss 'no planes'"
You are incorrect... I suggest you listen to it again...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1184826770885695772h4m40s
Key bit just after 5min 20secs in... (link above should start automatically at 4min 40secs in, covers DEW)
It sounds a bit like "ridiculous" to me... but you listen and tell me what you reckon
I must say this second time I have listened to it, Deagle comes across much worst second time around.
Best wishes
PS... for those interested in Prof Jones new revelation below link jumps to section. (should auto start at 41min 24secs in)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1184826770885695772h41m24s
I heard what he said
It's funny...
there are two pictures behind them, right above their heads. The left should say: "this man speaks truth"
The right should say:"What is that man talking about ?"
It seems like Deagle is not interested in what happened but trying to push his own (strange) theory(ies).
Jones:"Have you read my paper? " Deagle:"I looked at it"
I think he means that literally !
In the last minutes Jones tells us that he found red specks in the WTC dust which consist of aluminium, sulfur and iron (=little pieces of thermate which have not reacted but blown apart !) This is great news !
Dr. Jones has not officially announced this discovery yet but shares it with Dr. Deagle, the videotape and us.
Go Dr. Jones !
im wary of anybody who bases
im wary of anybody who bases their conclusions on secret NSA sources etc. and i think Prof Jones was trying to make the point at the beginning without being too confrontational that we have more than enough evidence right now to prosecute and come to logical conclusions about 9/11 without muddying the waters and/or slowing progress with theories about mini nukes etc. also, while i tend to agree that a pandemic is likely at some point,manufactured or not, i dont see why hes going on about it in that setting. again this just sounds like an attempt at muddying the waters to me. the towers were demolished, we know they were demolished and we dont need mini nukes to square that for us or anybody else. you dont have to be a physicist or structural engineer to grasp it. i confess i dont know a whole lot about Dr. Deagle though. anybody got a backround on the guy?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Deagle is pushing 'exotic weapons'.
On an "I was told" basis, did you catch that? Prof. Jones very tactfully points this out starting at around 14:40 into the video. I'm sick of this scientific speculation bullshit, the evidence is there. Question is & what the PTB don't want you discussing is, "what's holding back the truth?"...
Big_D, I completely agree.....
with you and Chris's replies. This is BS meant to discredit possibly Jones and the movement. Jone's research is rock solid as far as I can tell. Deagle? Nope!
Don't trust him!
Let's just hope...
... that the samples were not provided by the same "NSA sources" as the info about the mini nukes...
There is no harm in additional testing, just keep an eye on the chain of custody...
Deagal comes out of nowhere
OK, firstly, it is quite obvious that Prof. Jones was being polite. Secondly, is Deagle known only in Canada. I have never heard of him and would be concerned about possible intell. connections, which he tends to tout anyway.
Deagle is well known
Deagle is well known in some activist communities and promoted by 9/11 truth groups, the nutritional supplements advocates of a particular sort, and I would guess the those that listen to Art Bell given some of what he talks about.
Here's an interesting link on Deagle -
http://www.christianmedianetwork.com/deagle.htm
Some visions of his are here -
http://www.sherryshriner.com/deagle.htm
Deagle is said to be associated with the Prophecy Club -
Prophecy Club, The
A for-profit "ministry" that specializes in conspiracy theories, pop-apologetics, and presumptious prophecy.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/p00.html#prophecyclub
I stopped watching after he said "Nano-dust"
and became increasingly frustrated that he would not let Jones answer his points.
Nano-dust at the World Trade Center? Who else promotes "nano-dust" at the WTC?
JW: Well, pulverizing the building is turning… the building contents into Nano-dust, we’ll call it.
Comment: Wood’s statement that the WTC was turned into “nano-dust” has no evidential basis in reality. Nano used in the scientific vernacular is defined as the number 10-9. Debris is considered to be dust when the particle sizes are between roughly 1 and 100 microns (10-6 m = 1 micron). Debris which is smaller than 1 micron is generally considered to be an aerosol. The size of atoms is roughly 1 nanometer (10-9 m). Any reasonable translation of the language Judy Wood is applying here leaves the listener to conclude that Dr. Wood’s opinion is that the WTC towers was dissociated into individual atoms! There are a multitude of reasons this is an absurd claim. One strong argument against this argument is that the power required to atomize all the steel, concrete, and building contents would be much larger than 5 times the global power harnessed by human beings. Wood’s statement is also not supported by official USGS studies.
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/05/interview-with-dr-judy-wood-and...
Now perhaps I'm being picky here, but the point is that "scientists" don't go around making claims about "nano-dust" when they border on science fiction nonsense. When Mr. Deagle mentions "nano-dust" at the WTC, he loses all credibility in my eyes.
I was at Dr. Jones' presentation, and it truly a blessing to have people like Dr. Jones. Here is someone who will stick to the real smoking guns and hard data, avoid the tenuous and unprovable speculations, prove 9/11 was an inside job with devastatingly credible evidence and leave the official story in tatters. If we could get presentations like the one by Dr. Jones available and disseminated widespread to the public, the "official story" would be demolished in short order.
“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."
That's explains why Deagle
switches from science to conspiracy like he's changing his socks.
BTW: How do you 'wire' a city or anything else for nukes? Plus all these nukes were 'wired' over a decade ago and no one has stumbled across one?
I suppose I shouldn't hold my breathe waiting for the results of his tests.
Micro-fusion ?
More Info: Were “mini-nukes” used at the World Trade Center?
You can find more details in the below paper (PDF)...
“Hard Evidence Repudiates the Hypothesis that Mini-Nukes Were Used on the WTC Towers” (January 16, 2007) - Steven Jones
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Best wishes
Deagle berries
I've been checking on the status of first responders. If nuke had been used their dna would be affected and their children could be deformed. Instead because of the toxicity their babies are of low weight (probably because of the exchange of that toxicity between the parents) but there is no report of deformaties. Meanwhile many of the soldiers returning from iraq are deciding to not have children because of the DU they'e been exposed to. The iraqis don't ask anymore what is their baby, now they ask is he normal.
There was a toxic soup at wtc. Lead has an affinity for marrow and can enter it and cause leukemia. I would expect birth defects with the use of nuclear. There is no report on it that I can find and people involved don't know of any spike in deformaties.
I'm wary of this obfuscation
Wasn't too many months ago that NO PLANES/HOLOGRAMS/DEW and other junk ideas were being pushed pretty aggressively around the 9/11 rabbit hole. I was newer to 9/11 truth, and found some of these ideas to be at least pretty interesting in trying to piece together a "people's history"-style narrative of 9/11.
However, really all these ideas do is muddy a picture that has become very clear to reasonable minds. 9/11 was facilitated by mechanisms working in our federal government to serve a corrupt, multinational interest. The media blackout of WTC7 alone is beyond suspect. It is very real. Like Chris said regarding the Jimmy Smits meeting, a lot of people are still unaware not only of WTC7 itself, but also the nature of its tenants (CIA, NSA, Mayor's Emergency HQ, etc.).
Elementary physics is enough to prove that ALL THREE of the WTC buildings were destroyed via a high-output controlled demolition sequence. I am not a physicist by any means, but I understand that there is no way those buildings could fall so cleanly into their own footprints in the time that they did without clearing the under infrastructure first (90+ floors of highly reinforced UL-approved steel). I also frequently wonder aloud what happened to NORAD on that fateful morning. I oftentimes wonder about the abilities of these 'pilots', about Bush-bin Laden connections, about the secret, hand-in-hand, unsworn testimony Cheney and Bush gave to the 9/11 Commission almost 2 years after the crime, and the return-to-the-crime-scene, police-state nature of the 2004 Republican National Conference.
So as interesting as hologram airliners might be, or mini-nukes, or whatever, may be...they are basically best left in the notebook alongside the never-used lyrics. These ideas aren't even necessary to the prosecution of 9/11 war crimes against humanity. And that is what are working towards, no?
Frumpy academic conversations are fun in college. But in the real-time, real world, I personally have no time for such shenanigans. I love 911Blogger, I've been reading on here for the past year, posting only recently, but in my view, this site is more about action than speculation. I commend this site and its moderators/community for this, and hope that soon enough I never have to hear about NO PLANES/SPACE RAYS/NUKES ever again! Let's save it for after the trial!
"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective — a New World Order — can emerge..." - George H.W. Bush, 9/11/91
Every time I hear 'No-Planes' or 'Mini-Nukes' I get very worried
There is absolutly no edivence to point to either of these thories where as their is rock solid edivence for thermate and controlled demolition.
I really think you have to wonder if this stuff is delibratly designed to dis-credit the movment? The people promoting these crazy theories obviously do not really want 911 truth as there is already enough edivence out there to prove the controlled demolition theory- people now must focus on spreading the word and raising public awareness.
The movement must distance itself from this nonsense and the websites should stop giving it any air time.
Yes it is designed to discredit us
Mixing credible and non-credible information together is at the essence of what disinformation is. That's why Loose Change is considered suspect by many Truthers.
Take the Eric Hufschmidt character. He comes along and blows things open for 9/11 with his book/video. A lot of people use his material in his own work. And then, out of thin air, he's a hardcore holocaust denier? Now, I don't believe most people would have TOUCHED this man's work if they believed that he/she would be linked to someone pushing such controversial nonsense. So yes, Mr. Hufschmidt is DISINFO because only a DISINFO agent would push he urgency of the 9/11 message with the racist hokum of Holocaust Denial. By doing so, he casts a pall over ALL credible 9/11 work in the eyes of an outsider. Of course, it turns out (supposedly) that this man has some family connection with Rupert Murdoch. Well, golly gee wilickers, what's wrong with this picture?
I don't know anything about Dr. Deagle, admittedly. But anyone pushing hypothetical spage-age weaponry and the like is immediately suspect in the 9/11 truth movement. It is very speculative ground, and like I said before, not necessary in the quest for an investigation/trial.
"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective — a New World Order — can emerge..." - George H.W. Bush, 9/11/91
Something that is controversial...
...is not by any means automatically nonsense !
That stereotype is what the 911 truth movement has been fighting so long...
Hufschmid asks for all (nazi-) documents to be released to supplement the historical story.
Nothing wrong about that, we also want as much info about 911 as we can get our hands on.
All what it can do is clearify the picture, how could it EVER deny anything factual? It can only deny lies.
This is irrational talk to discredit a great 911-researcher.
did you know that Hufschmid
did you know that Hufschmid is married into the Murdoch family? Hufschmid was an asset at one point, his book on 9/11 was one of the very first if not the very first piece of 9/11 truth material that i owned but sadly i think its pretty clear what his purpose now is.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
I don't know if I'm willing to cross that line
Because I don't believe that those views are helpful to the cause of those who were killed as a result of 9/11. I don' t believe that the 'truth' regarding the amount of people killed in Hitler's Holocaust is necessarily relevant to the cause of seeking both truth and justice to the events of that day, which we all agree here were manufactured, synthetic terrorism. Hitler's fascist dictatorship ruined his country and therefore history judges him for the tyrant he was. America's leadership today is a play-by-play rip-off of the Adolf Hitler playbook. There are many who have contributed to the growing body of work indicting elements within the American government for 9/11 war crimes. Mr. Hufschmid, with his ties to the Rupert Murdoch enterprise, and Holocaust denial nonsense, is suspect at best. And I will leave it at that; I was very disappointed to see this man associated with such bigoted, hateful, antisemitic nonsense - especially a work computer. I may not respect his opinion, but I'll defend to my death his opinion to express it, as the saying goes...
"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective — a New World Order — can emerge..." - George H.W. Bush, 9/11/91
"it is designed to discredit us"
Yeah, Just as 'holocaust denier' & 'anti Semite' crying are designed to keep people from wondering exactly why Mossad agents were caught "documenting" the WTC attacks. This is just a more insidious disinfo tactic (Not an accusation, just pointing out.).
right on. "The Central
right on.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
How can people expect
to be taken seriously by the ones who call them conspiracy nuts for just asking reasonable questions when these same people call everybody who raises reasonable questions about certain issues regarding WW-2 a H-denier. Doing so is stupid. Stop sticking these discussion killing labels on issues that need resolve. Both of you, denier callers and conspiracy nuts callers.
Of course discussing WW2 issues doesn 't help 911 resolve.
WHO was it again who brought this subject up ?... who wanted to discredit Hufschmid by association ? 911 truthmachine ?
Hufshcmid does a fine job of
Hufshcmid does a fine job of discrediting himself without bringing up the Murdoch connection actually. and im not against discussing anything. as you can see i was voted down for simply agreeing with the guy above about Israel/Mossad. people around here are fucking cowards for the most part.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Strong evidence for no planes at WTC, Agent Dale
What is the purpose of this thread of comments?
Thanks for this coverage
It's not just about which evidence is already strong (so ignore other evidence), it's about which evidence literally doesn't exist in any meaningful way or is non-scientific (i.e., hidden military technology cannot even be tested).
There's virtually zero evidence that the planes in NYC were "swapped," as Deagle claims.
People should also be aware that the "INTERNATIONAL 9/11 CITIZEN'S WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL" being announced at this conference also contains promotions of DEW and nukes -
"II. Overwhelming evidence exists that the collapses of the Twin Towers and Building 7 were instances of controlled demolition, and/or of the application of exotic weapons such as land-based, air-based or possible space-based Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). But al-Qaeda operatives could not have obtained the needed access to the buildings to plant the explosives and would not have ensured that the buildings come straight down. Nor could al-Qaeda operatives have obtained command and control of advanced Directed Energy Weapons, Microfusion devices (4th generation mini-nuclear weapons), bunker-busters, or other exotic weapons alternatives that are known to be in the deployment or testing phase in the US Defense arsenal. The controlled demolition and/or Directed Energy Weapons (DEW) or exotic weapons application, therefore, had to be the work of U.S. Government and other insiders." http://peaceinspace.blogs.com/911/2007/06/international_l.html
We all want peace in space and we all are against space weapons. But this should not be used as a way to insert claims that space weapons were used on 9/11.
I say, show us the evidence in writing and scientific analysis that there were nukes or DEW, not at a public conference with public media. Refute Steve Jones - in writing. Refute the other physicists on the Journal (http://journalof911studies.com/). That's how actual science is done, not trying to get a crowd excited enough to part with their money for hoax media by SUGGESTING nukes and DEW - that's not science, that's stirring the masses for the sake of something other than truth, like selling stuff. Then we all lose and one person makes a few bucks.
If nukes/DEW were indeed used, the evidence would begin to surface through analysis and papers should be debated and flying back and forth between different camps and reaching consensus on that evidence. Eventually, through experiment and analysis of the existing evidence, someone loses and someone wins, and the winner goes public. That's how science works. Those who present claims without evidence directly to the public are quickly discredited by most, especially in the scientific community. There is a reason that the scientific community exists and why journals and grants and that whole process exists. To do science properly. Taking claims to the public without internal debate, discussion and evaluation helps no one.
All other issues aside, presenting claims of nukes (even the simple acceptance of claims about them without debate in our own community) at the public conference with public media will only harm our movement.
So the questions people ask on here about disinfo are meaningful. Most of those disseminating misinformation are sincere but misguided (i.e., trying to generate hype about any sort of speculation to get people involved). But not all are.








Cheers Reprehensor, Go Prof Jones...
Will definately be checking this out...
Look forward to your report, many thanks and best wishes
PS... Thanks for the updates you provided during the weekend, kept us who sadly could not make it, informed...