Ashland Daily Tidings - excellent Griffin coverage
(This was posted in the blogs section, but we should have had it on our front page. The day before Griffin's Ashland, Oregon talk last month, the Ashland Daily Tidings had front page coverage of the impending talk, above and below the fold, and for the second time called for a new independent investigation of 9/11. Two days prior to the front page coverage, they ran a separate 9/11 story. Links below. -r.)
May 23, 2007
Truth movement superstar visits SOU
http://www.dailytidings.com/2007/0523/stories/0523_david_ray_griffin.php
May 23, 2007
Holes in the story
http://www.dailytidings.com/2007/0523/stories/0523_911.php
(prior story)
May 21, 2007
9/11: The elephant that will not leave:
http://www.dailytidings.com/2007/0521/stories/0521_edit_9-11.php
Thanks, Ken, for the reminder.
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The comments section
for those articles was rather telling. I used to see that kind of thing happening at a micro scale in various forums I used to visit. Now the very same level of debate is taking place on the macro level. In the forums, the sceptics and debunkers, after a flurry of activity would gradually go silent, as the debate began to weigh too heavily on them with facts and well sourced references, many to public record information. If the same dynamic occurs at this level, then friends, we are almost there, or getting there fast, and this may be why the terror alert alarm bells are sounding again, to try to contain the mindfuck "war on terra" psy-op against an enslaught of mass awakening to the truth. The info war is moving to stage two and then finally, stage three, "self evident truth". (see Youtube video in my sig)
Cheers!
RR
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On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...
Oregon
I have a friend who teaches up there and 2-3 months ago I sent her some documentaries. She wrote back saying she was using them in her debate class and it was going very well. Things are starting to happen in New Zealand too.
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You can just FEEL the desperation
You can just FEEL the desperation in the voices of those trying to defend the official conspiracy theory.
From reading comments in these articles (and similar articles elsewhere) you can see that the defenders of the OCT rely on these tired tactics.
1) lie, obfuscate, and distort
2) respond to truther allegations with junk science
3) when all else fails, resort to ad hominem attacks
We can be proud of many posters in Oregon, but here's a sample of defender tactics.
subtle ad hominem
Let's see. A theologian claims that explosive devices planted in the world trade center brought down the building. A bevy of engineers claim that the planes and resulting fire did it. Who ya gonna believe? The theologian, naturally.
lies
Everything this guy has argued has been refuted, he has no solid evidence of anything he is purporting (pictures from the internet??), and has admitted his theories have holes in them.
lies and distortions
This guy is incredibly dishonest. He just makes up questions based on distorted interpretations of events, and then pretends that they are facts. And why are people paying him $10 to hear him promote his book? How much money is he making off of slandering the victims of 9/11?
distortions and junk science
When I saw the plane plow into the world trade center on TV, I saw a huge explosion caused by burning jet fuel, quite large enough to pulverize light weight concrete and drywall without any help from planted explosives. This proves without a doubt that it has to be an outside job
junk science
What happens when steel gets hot? What happens when you heat a metal to the point of melting? Oh, yeah, put pressure on it, while you're heating it. Ever wonder WHY there's insulation applied to STEEL BEAMS at the Expo? Well, it ain't for AIRPLANES to be flown into, but, it's for FIRE proofing the steel. IRON gets SOFT when it's hot. If it didn't, NOBODY'd be able to beat plowshares into swords or vice-versa.. Did the brainiac miss that?
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How did CNN and BBC have foreknowledge of the WTC7 collapse, yet five years later, the government cannot explain it?
David Ray Griffin
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is a great man.
Hear, hear!!!
DRG is a gladiator!
We are so fortunate to have him. His books deserve to be honoured (and STUDIED) for what they are, inestimable weapons of truth.
Thank you Dr. G!
On a different subject
Something that needs to be addressed. Mixing 9/11 Truth with Ron Paul's campaign hurts him in the public eye.
I'm a truther myself. But I want to say that the "Inside Job" banners mixed w/ Ron Paul posters is hurting his campaign. People who have not heard of Ron Paul immediately associate him with the truth community and write him off as a kook and he won't be taken seriously.
The video of the "inside Job" banner from the New Hampshire debates with the same people holding Ron Paul posters is making it's way to Paul's opponents and they're using it against him.
I totally support 9/11 Truthers being at the debates but please do not mix it with Ron Paul. Do either Ron Paul promotion or do 9/11 promotion. Just not at the same time.
Ron Paul's campaign isn't going to come out and say not to do it but they are most definetely thinking it. We all know RP would get the truth out but this mixed message is hurting him. I've already had one person laugh in my face about Ron Paul b/c he immediately told me that RP was a kook b/c of the company that he kept.
Mixing the two messages is counter-productive. Thanks.
Speak of the devil
I copied and pasted this letter for everyone to see.
____________________________________________________________________________
I have feared the day this would come. If you really care about Ron Paul's
message of freedom and you want Ron Paul to be our next President you need
to be an adult and listen to what I'm about to say, I warn you it's going to
make a lot of people mad.
I have personally been involved in underdog campaigns before. I know very
well what tactics are used to destroy an opposing campaign. As we know now
the exchange with Giuliani didn't hurt Ron Paul it backfired on Fox and
Rudy. Dr.Paul is getting mainstream press. They are starting to let him
speak. But that will come to a grinding halt, if the 9/11 Truth movement is
successfully associated with Ron Paul and he's considered the leader of it.
The ploy is called "Marginalization". Brand a candidate a crazy loon and the
mainstream of America will refuse to listen to a word he says. It's the
ultimate political poison pill. The Political cold hard reality is that Ron
Paul has to win the Republican Primary or he will not be President. And if
that is not possible, he can still spread his message of freedom for a long
time, but only if people perceive him to be sane and credible.
Fact : Ron Paul was elected as a Republican and in his heart he is a
Republican that loves the constitution. Had he run as any other third party
candidate, we would not be talking about him and no national press for a
pro-liberty candidate. Ron Paul made it very clear, he's not going run as a
third party candidate or an independent. This is our one and only shot,
period.
Fact: Ron Paul was asked directly by a close friend who is a member of the
RLC, about the 9/11 Truth Movement while they were riding around in New
Hampshire campaigning.
He said " Drones hitting the Pentagon, and all that stuff is silly"
However, I don't accept the official report. There
were a lot of government people trying to cover up
their own mistakes and incompetence. There are a
lot of questions remaining to be answered and they
should be answered, not ignored."
Mistakes and incompetence are worlds apart form George Bush planned 9/11
Here's how you will become Ron Paul's worst enemy and a tool for the Corp
Media. to "Marginalize" him:
If you show up at any Ron Paul rallies with your 9/11 was an inside job
signs you will become the focus of the media not Ron Paul. And they will
attempt "guilt by association" just like the woman in the video did. It's
wrong and unfair but we know that people are willing to lie to stop Ron
Paul.
If you call mainstream talk shows and you are talking about 9/11 was an
inside job, please do not mention Ron Paul, again guilt by association.
The best hope for any hidden truths to be found is Ron Paul, and if he gets
elected and the investigation finds that you were proven right, I will
apologize and I will paint a 9/11 was an inside job sign and join you.
Until then we have a primary to win please be mature about this and accept
political reality.
If you decide to repost this, please do not edit out who this is from or any
of the text because there is no disclaimer, this is the position of RLC
Texas
Phil Pepin
RLC Director Bexar County
Webmaster RLC Texas MySpace
RLC? as in Republican
RLC? as in Republican Leadership Council?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Now we've got problems.
I was 100% behind Ron Paul, and I was advising people to be patient with him, and not expect him to commit political suicide. I completely respect his political shrewdness on the subject of 9/11 Truth.
HOWEVER, Paul's campaing CANNOT be allowed to interfere with the dissemination of our singularly important message.
"The best hope for any hidden truths to be found is Ron Paul, and if he gets
elected and the investigation finds that you were proven right, I will
apologize and I will paint a 9/11 was an inside job sign and join you.
Until then we have a primary to win please be mature about this and accept
political reality. "
This is not even close to accurate. The best hope for any hidden truths to be found AND spread to the public is the dedicated work of the millions of individuals that make up the 9/11 Truth movement. Even if Ron Paul were elected President (which would require a miracle, since we know the election process is rigged) his ability to express power would likely be quickly nullified by Congress, the media, the CFR...
I hope Ron Paul can win the presidency, but what is now being asked of us is to choose to either support Ron Paul, or support 9/11 Truth, but not both. What do you think would happen to Ron if we withdraw our support? Does he have another cache of empassioned activists to go to bat for him?
I do agree, the movement needs to behave intelligently about this matter. But 9/11 Truth is too important to be silent about for even one moment.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
Ron Paul's message resonates with more Americans
every day. A large majority of the American people now question the government story regarding 9/11 and more are realizing the absurdity of that story every day.
Think about these two trends in combination, not in opposition.
As more and more people realize the truth about 9/11 their distrust of the mainstream media will be near total. Thus, mainstream media endorsement will become a liability and not a benefit. The truth movement has learned to create its own media and it is this media that is gaining credibility with the American people as they learn the truth about 9/11 (or, at least, have grave doubts about the government myth).
Even though I am a democratic socialist at heart, I support Ron Paul as the best mainstream candidate running because his libertarian philosophy is what the U.S. needs right now to completely cut the corruption out of the government and return our republic to its roots before we can truly move forward into the 21st century. He is also a man of integrity.
That said, Ron Paul has NO CHANCE to win within the existing political paradigm. The system is so corrupt that only the candidates chosen by the elites will get the money, the fixed media attention and the stolen votes needed to create the illusion of "victory." Anyone who argues otherwise has not studied the clear history of the last seven years and is only deluding themselves. In fact, the ONLY way Ron Paul can win is by riding the 9/11 truth wave now rising and the beauty of it is he doesn't have to do anything other than call for new investigations, which i believe he has. During the next year the wave will continue to swell until it breaks just before the national political conventions in late 2008. If Dr. Paul is not interested in the job of president at that time I'm sure another candidate will come forward.
I apologize if this seems harsh, but the political reality is also harsh.
We are in for some very interesting times, brothers and sisters.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
I totally agree.
Truthers - FOCUS ON GIULIANI.
The scumbag must be forced to drop out of the race!
Ron Paul is intelligent and experienced, he knows what he's doing. Don't interfere!
True
Excellent. He is going to need to raise money too because we certainly can't carry him. We have to exercise good sense. I don't know if he will be the next president but I sure want him in the race. The only money I've donated this election is to him. Now let's keep him in the race.
Play our cards close and let the individuals speak out. We shouldn't be doing it for them.
Ron Paul
Forget Ron Paul until he actually says something
"Guilt by association" with the Truth Movement ?
This is crazy. The truth movement has nothing to hide.
You're living in a fascist state that's committing mass murder.
'Well maybe he'll say something -(like maybe he doesn't like what's been going on) - after he's raised a lot of money ?'
You can't rely on some guy who might say something sometime.
If you think you can rely on this guy - he would have said something openly by now.
The whole election's a joke. And you many of you are still dupes.
If Paul says " I think 9-11 was an inside job. Prove me wrong. " tomorrow - I take this back.
As the Winnipeg 9-11 Conference proved - Main Stream Media and many, many credible people are on board.
But in America it's still 'Guilt by Association '? Grow up. Deal with it.
thank you. does Paul want
thank you. does Paul want the 9/11 truth movements(of which im a proud member) support or not? because for some strange reason they(most of us anyway) seem to think that Paul is on the same page as us on 9/11. based on what exactly? im still not so sure. so Paul wants our support but he or his handlers want us to shut up about our main issue? let me be clear, i too think Paul is the best candidate out of the whole rotten bunch. but that isnt good enough and i for one will not tamp down my 9/11 activism for him or anybody else and i hope im not the only one. when the campaign is over and Paul isnt president, will you people who told us to shut up about 9/11 admit you were wrong about Paul's stance on 9/11 after he fails to make any noise about it? i mean christ, Kucinich has been more clear with his- "i'll look into 2 small areas of 9/11 sometime after this September" bullshit.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Why would you want to hurt
Why would you want to hurt his campaign if you think he's the best candidate? Seriously. There's a time and place for everything. But putting up gigantic "Inside Job" banners and handing out RP for President posters is counterproductive. The average person doesn't know what you and I know. You don't own the media so you've got to play by their rules if you want the man to have a chance. You guys can get angry if you want but from the outside looking in it's NOT GOOD for a campaign for president. You're naive if you don't think that it hurts his campaign. Hell, if you do a Blog search his opposition is ALREADY posting this stuff everywhere. You and I may want to do one thing but we've got to play our cards right on this. The one man who would completely gut the system and root out alot of the corruption doesn't need bad publicity. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
see my post below, and then
see my post below, and then do about 5 hours of research on electoral politics in this country. you will come to the same realization that i have. he has no chance. you would know this if you understood how our system works. we dont elect anyone. so sad but so true. shutting up about 9/11 is exactly what "they" would want. not Paul but his party etc. your naive if you think he really has a chance to win and that his soapbox is going to get any bigger than it is right now. sorry, thats just the way it is. seriously though, how much of a coup would it be for the real 9/11 perps if the HUGE block of people that support Paul and 9/11 truth decided to shut up about 9/11 truth until the election was over?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
No, you're misunderstanding.
No, you're misunderstanding. No one needs to shut up about 9/11 Truth til the election is over. That's not what anyone is saying. It's 9/11 Truthers carrying gigantic "Inside Job" banners at the same time as promoting RP. It hurts his campaign. Period. 9/11 Truthers have to be smart about it. Listen, I know all about 9/11. I've been researching this stuff for 4 years. I know. But RP's campaign doesn't need what the media will paint as "The kooks support RP so he must be a kook, too".
You say he has no chance. Fine. This isn't for you then. This is for people who want to help support RP's campaign.
ok, so just shut up about it
ok, so just shut up about it around Ron Paul then? yeah, not for me. i understand the impulse, to frame your message to fit "their" standards but i personally think its wrong and never works. it plays right into their hands in my opinion. this is bigger than Ron Paul and Ron Paul has no chance. keep doing what your doing though, if you think its really gonna make a difference for the good then i cant bash you for it, im just gonna have to disagree.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Yeah, shut up about it IF
Yeah, shut up about it IF you're a supporter of his campaign. If you're not then great. We don't have a problem b/c you won't be passing out RP4Prez posters at the same time as yelling "inside job".
i support Paul(out of all
i support Paul(out of all the mainstream candidates) and i support 9/11 truth. respectfully, i will not shut up about 9/11 for Paul's or anyone elses sake.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Just know that you're
Just know that you're hurting his campaign. Go ahead and make a fool of him if you want.
just know that you are being
just know that you are being played. big time.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
How am I being played? Good
How am I being played? Good lord, man. I'm just trying to tell you that folks won't listen to ANYTHIHNG the man has to say when his reputation as a kook procedes him.
There's is nothingn wrong with 9/11 activism. I support it wholeheartedly. I own nearly every film put out about the subject. But RP doesn't need the negative press. It's pretty common sense. If you want to do activism in all the politicians' faces that's GREAT. The problem is mixing the two.
if RP can bring more
if RP can bring more attention to 9/11 truth than it ISNT bad press. it may be bad for his campaign with the Fox News crowd, but as i said, this is bigger than Paul and he has no realistic chance anyway. the problem is NOT mixing the 2(politics and 9/11 or ANY truth) in my opinion.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
"the problem is NOT mixing
"the problem is NOT mixing the 2"
- What are you talking about? I'm talking about wearing a RP t-shirt while yelling through a megaphone.
Would you go to a prestigious job interview wearing a "9/11 Was An Inside Job" shirt on?
i meant we should never
i meant we should never censor ourselves, not even to help a politician get ahead. part of the problem with this country is that politicians are rarely confronted with any real truth. there should be more of that, not less. i dont wanna argue though man, you have your views on the subject and i have mine. agree to disagree.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Play -A -Fly Dupe
You're the kook. There's nothing to hide.
The hiding is the problem - which you seem to support.
who said anything about
who said anything about "hiding"? No me.
Hiding
"No one needs to shut up about 9/11 Truth til the election is over"
You're not worth the band-width - sorry .
Paul
...."The kooks support RP so he must be a kook, too".
The time is now.
Ronny ( Marcel Marceau )
You're either crazy,a dupe, or in support of the mass murder.
Whatever.
Let's say we shut up about Ron Paul until he speaks about 9-11 Truth ?
DEAL ?
But we're not the kooks...
The people who believe in fairy tales and the boogey-man are the kooks. 911t is a huge part of Paul's base. We are not shutting up about 9/11 under any circumstances. We are going to seek every second of media coverage we can. So what do you suggest we do? How can we be "smarter"? We need those "Inside Job" banners to get on TV. We also want RP to be prez. What's to be done?
TRUTHERS: RON PAUL IS IMPORTANT, BUT THE TRUTH IS MORE SO!! DON'T SHUT UP FOR ONE SECOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe we need to hit the other candidates harder with Truth Squads?
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
Then have your cake and eat
Then have your cake and eat it too... Take advantage of Every photo opportunity during the campaign of every candidate. The point is to get the Banners in front of American eyeballs right?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Mix republicans with 911 Truth
I really like your idea. Take advantage of every photo op. Make a sign Giuliani for Pres and underneath put 911 TRUTH NOW. Do it for Clinton, do it for Hunter and all the republicans talking about terror. I bet those signs would get into the media. I'm thinking like Rove, and I'm serious!
I think that is a fantastic
I think that is a fantastic idea. Do it to all the candidates.
Holy shit, that's genius!!!!
911Truth signs and banners mixed in with Ghouliani, McCain, Romney, Clinton, Obama banners!!!!! That is perfect! SPREAD IT AROUND!!!! Make it look like you're supporting the major candidates AND 9/11 Truth at the same time!!!!
Yet, still keep up the support for Ron Paul!
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
Here's the problem...
I guarantee you more than 25% of Ron Paul's support is coming from Truthers. So we should shut up about 9/11 until he says "BOO"? Or we should stop supporting RP, so we don't tarnish his name?
I'm sorry, but 9/11 Truth is the more important message. We have no guarantee that Paul will be able to make a dent politically. Cheney could nuke us and declare martial law before the election, Paul could get JFK'd if elected, he could be rendered impotent by the real power structure in this country...
We must not let our efforts diminish even temporarily. If there is some smarter way to support both RP and 911t, go for it, but if it comes down to a choice between the two... Sorry, we can't sut up.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
The best solution may not be
The best solution may not be option A or B, perhaps it is C. Point is don't limit your thinking to choosing between one or the other.
I say birddog all the candidates with 9/11 Truth (ala WeAreChange vs. Guliani). And I mean all of them, Ron Paul included.
Would that not be a better solution? A Libertarian in the WH would turn the tide against everything we all know to be working against OUR interests as citizens.
The odds are against Ron Paul as the system stands now... I hope and pray 9/11 Truth surfaces during the 08 campaign (LCFC and the 9/11 Anniversary will be an interesting time). IF and ONLY if Ron Paul is still in the running will he benefit from this potential shift in public perception of 9/11 and MSM in general.
If Ron Paul is stigmatized by the MSM before as a Kook Conspiracy Theorist, he won't be there, and the American public will have to make due with Clinton/Guliani/etc....
It's all in the timing.
yes, the election is a joke
yes, the election is a joke and Paul has ZERO chance of winning it. even though that is the unvarnished truth its ironically not a very popular thing to say around here. thats why i find this "give him time, let him play his own cards,wait until afte he gets elected" stuff maddening. there will be no other point in Paul's life where he has as much influence and media spotlight as he does right now. as soon as the election is over that spotlight is gone and Paul becomes just another congressman again. its great that he told Rudy to read the 9/11 Commission Report and all, but that obviously isnt good enough. we all know how much of a sham that thing is and here we have Paul telling Rudy to read it for homework. and some of you people actually think Paul is on the same page as us on 9/11? this isnt an anti-Paul rant, again, hes the best of the bunch but please, lets be realistic.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
The man has already said he
The man has already said he doesn't believe it was an inside job. What else do you need? He said he doesn't believe it. Either way, he's still the best candidate even if he believes Aliens are about to attack Earth at any moment.
ok, great, so tell that to
ok, great, so tell that to the rest of the people on this board who seem to think that Paul has any real fervor about 9/11 and getting to the bottom of it. hes a good candidate compared to the rest but he is not a 9/11 truther, not even close.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
you've been here for only 4
you've been here for only 4 hours. what is your connection to the Ron Paul campaign if any? im just wondering, im not accusing you of anything, so please just take it as a simple question as thats all it is.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
My connection? I don't have
My connection? I don't have any connection. I'm an average Joe.
You also have no credibility
when you clearly registered just in order to hammer this message from the RP campaign.
I think we need to have a word or phrase (a la fellashillo, doomshill, do-you-get-dental, etc) for posters who show up with a very strong, focused shilling agenda that is particularly time-sensitive (for example, the person who came by just to tell us that it was a waste of time to expose the BBC cock-up or some of the Rosie-related drive-bys.)
Hey, if I'm mistaken, I apologize.
No, I understand how it
No, I understand how it looks. There's no way for me to prove it but I used to have an account on this board and my old laptop got ruined b/c something was spilt on it. I got a new one and couldn't remember what my login username was. This was back when this site had the old format. So, I just set up a new email address to start a fresh account. Like I said, no way for me to prove it but anyway.
What was your user name?
If you posted with any frequency after May of '06, I'll probably remember it. Just out of curiosity...
The 'Election' and justice
If no one mentions 9-11. No one is worth voting for.
Many foreigners were murdered 9-11. 28 Canadians ?
How many English ? How many Ozzies ? etc.
Unfortunately I think to obtain justice people in other counties will have to send
investigators into the US.
The American system obviously has been compromised and is lost.
Now it's up to all of us - in other countries - to get justice for our brothers and sisters
and pressure OUR politicians !
-'Ron Paul might mention it after an election' seems to be the best
the US system can come up with.
The US media is a complete joke, but the world isn't laughing.
As people here have pointed out - the FBI can't even link Osama to 9-11. (But they had arrested Israelis in a
van with traces of explosives in it.) ( Google "Urban moving systems")
Great photo-op : a couple of Canadian mounties leading George out of the White House - to justice.
That's what I can't stand
That's what I can't stand about this "movement". There is no mystery any more !
Watch "Improbable Collapse"
Watch " 9-11 Mysteries"
Read : 'By Way of Deception' Hoy And Ostrovsky - especially the chapter
'Only in America'
Google : "Urban Moving Systems'
Go to 'Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.'
Decide who's behind PNAC
Read Carroll Quigley's 'The Anglo-American Establishment'
It takes ,but a few hours, for the research.
That's the story. It's over. No American politicians can be bothered...(and many of you commenters)
I think it's become more and more obvious the military and police in the US are a better conduit with this TRUTH than Congress.
No one running, and US media, want to mention the truth behind the mass murder...
No election will change that.
(Although from what saw of the Demo debate - whenever Dennis Kucinich talked - the others looked scared.)
I didn't really word the top
I didn't really word the top comment coherently.
I think obviously part of the problem is no foreign governments, police or interpol have commented on the truth movement either.
In a 'dreamworld' foreign governments would start asking questions about their murdered citizens - but this doesn't seem to be happening either.
(It's not Ron Paul's fault)
Ron Paul
let's not have a pissing match about Ron Paul. When and If he takes up the challenge and speaks the truth about 9-11 then we have a new ball game. We're in a time of either/or. Centrism is particularly pathetic and impotent in times like these. I understand that some people are really turned on about the idea of abolishing the IRS and so on, but let's not forget the real priority - 9-11 truth to break the back of the U.S. ruling elite and TRANSFORM THE WORLD.
Paul on Stewart
Well Ron was on Jon Stewart tonight and he didn't seem to be pulling his ear, like Carol Burnett etc ,signaling a new 9-11 revolution, that I could see.
He actually seemed to run out early, before the commercial break, without saying much of anything.
This is the GREAT HOPE of the truthers ?
Time to move on kids.
My suggested course of action:
CONTINUE TO SUPPORT RON PAUL AND CONTINUE TO SUPPORT 9/11 TRUTH!! BOTH LOUDLY!
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
Paul
He's obviously the best Republican, but the system is corrupt.
The same system that refuses to investigate 9/11
will not allow Ron Paul to be elected president.
The same movement that is working to defeat the corrupt system can elect the candidate of its choosing.
Yes, it really is that simple.
Love is a verb, brothers and sisters, let's get busy!
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
There are videos of young
There are videos of young people carrying around "inside Job" signs and passing out RP posters at the same time currently making rounds on the internet. They're using it against him.
My suggestion. Go to a rally and if you're spreading 9/11 Truth then do so independently of RP. Don't be wearing RP t-shirts yelling "inside job" at the same time. If you're wearing a RP t-shirt and promoting him at an event don't carry a gigantic "inside job" banner. It hurts his image b/c of the way the media and his opponents will spin it and use it against him. The brain dead public isn't going to give what they perceive to be a lunatic candidate the time of day. They aren't like you and I. They're gonna believe whatever Hannity says.
I'm not trying to boss anyone around. Just want you to know what's going to happen.
I can state there definitely
I can state there definitely operatives (whether politico or intel I cannot be sure) trying to stir up trouble in the meetups for Ron Paul. I joined a meetup, about 10 days ago. Hours later another guy joined the same group. After the meetup he posted this to the national board:
source: http://ronpaul.meetup.com/boards/view/viewthread?thread=3134812&listpage=20
Bill * Posted Jun 4, 2007 at 2:42 PM
websuspect
Baltimore, MD
18th Post
I want to goto the Ron Paul Meet up here tonight but I am already being badgered for money in personal information.
Is this a grassroots campaign or a CIA information Gathering expedition.
I'm already involved in the 911 Truth groups. It would be ashame if I was alienated this soon into the campaign.
IF I HAVE TO DO THIS I AM NOT COMING.
I AM NOT GETTING PAID TO DO THIS.
How about you add.
Parents Maiden Name. _________________________
Date of Birth.__________________________________
Social Security Number.__________________________
Are you a registered Republican.___________________
Do you have TSC. If so what Level.__________________
Will You sell your soul To Lucifer?______________________
F I HAVE TO DO THIS I AM NOT COMING.
I AM NOT GETTING PAID TO DO THIS.
I noticed that you did not put all your personal information on here.
Why dont you put all your personal information on here and send it to us.
[and this directed at the meetup's organizer]
Bill * Posted Jun 5, 2007 at 3:35 AM
websuspect
Baltimore, MD
22nd Post
Nathan you shit faced mealy mouthed lying cock sucking mother fucker.
Talking out the side of your mouth. NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU.
YOUR OBVIOUSLY INTIMIDATED BY ANYONE WITH MORE THAN 4RTH GRADE SPEAKING SKILLS.
You have no social skills you suck as a group leader.
I volunteered to do banners. YOUR A LIAR.
I said I did Banners in High school.
I got awards from, the state for my banners.
You want us to do cold calls and waste fucking time when we could do banners flys off a bridge or something and you want to stick banners in peoples cars.
Whatever. Fuck you. Fuck your meetup group.
Sat there for like 10-15 Minutes shooting shit with Tybee. Whatever man.
Good luck fucking Tybee.
This is just a big useless pile of shit. Just like the republican party.
I wish ROn Paul had continued to run for Libertarian party or anything other than Republican.
[then he quit the meetup]
In any case RP is no friend to the establishment, and they are actively attacking him with "boots" on the ground.
Go wearing Ghouliani T-shirts
and handing out Inside job stickers / flyers!! This is pure culture-jamming, pure juxtaposition!! Confuse the assholes!!
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
Go wearing Ghouliani T-shirts
And holding INSIDE JOB banners!!!! Pure culture-jamming, pure juxtaposition!! The media won't know how to handle that. Confuse the fuckers!!
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine