Who Decides What Is LIHOP And What Is MIHOP?
I'm sitting here reading the blogs, and I'm seeing an awful lot of information being shunned by the ever popular "LIHOP" label. I've said this before, and I'll say it again. If the hijackings were everything we were led to believe, and the only thing elements of this Government did was make a conscious decision to "let" the attacks occur, then they MADE IT HAPPEN. Of course, evidence exists that says not everything about that day is as we were led to believe. And of course, there is evidence to suggest elements within this Government did A LOT more than nothing to insure the attacks' success.
I firmly believe that the LIHOP and MIHOP labels are divisive. Why couldn't we just look at it from the perspective of "this person thinks differently than I do" or, "this person thinks different information is important?" If the information that is being peddled is misinformation or disinformation, then it should be questioned. However, if it is legitimate information, then that person should have a right to promote
it. Without being attacked or labeled.
I have a feeling we push a lot of people away with some of the arguments that are spawned with these labels, and I have taken part in many of them.
Are we the 9/11 Truth Movement (emphasis on movement), or aren't we? Are we about absolute truth, accountability and justice, or do our labels dictate our actions?
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Labels are useful for shop talk
LIHOP and MIHOP are terms i have found very useful in shop talk surrounding 9/11. Sure they can be used in a corrupt manner, but such use will prove itself invalid. It is now a simply a new reality that one of the only things left for the dis-info schills to do is to lead the movement into red herrings. The dis-info folks can only do this because the fringe theories are quickly discredited. This is why we need to get over the warnings. Warnings are everywhere and frankly are generally accepted in some limited form by the american people. All the warnings prove however is pure incompetence. Incompetence is the ultimate apologist's excuse for false-flag terror incidents. Everyone wants to feel safe with blow back. The warnings are important and part of historical record. But since we have established them....Let's temporarily set it aside from what we spread around. It is generally accepted that Bush is incompetent. Letting Bush take the blame for this is exactly what the planners of the attacks want. Time to start helping people move from just warnings to actual government involvement in the execution of the attacks. If the terms MIHOP and LIHOP help this transition, then use them. The terms can be useful if they are a simple way to classify the implications of a particular smoking gun. Time to get everyone to the core of the issue. Warnings have been accepted.
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However...
The way they are used is to shun other people's efforts. At least online. If you've ever watched Barrie Zwicker give a lecture, he generally asks the audience the following questions:
1. How many people in the room believe the official story?
2. How many people in the room believe the official story, but think Bush used 9/11?
3. How many people in the room believe they let it happen?
4. How many people in the room believe they made it happen?
When Barrie's done asking his questions, does he tell everyone in the room that raised their hands for 1, 2, and 3, "You're worthless, you have nothing to contribute, get the hell out of here?"
No, Barrie does not. However, that's exactly what happens online. LIHOP may as well be nigger, spic, kike, wop, gook, etc... and I don't know about you, but I HATE those labels.
I don't understand why we can't be a movement of people seeking absolute truth, absolute accountability and absolute justice, and all be on the same side.
As Americans, we share some of the blame for 9/11, however, we are not the ones that "pulled the trigger."
Our energies should be focused elsewhere, and at other people. Not at each other.
The Warnings haven't been addressed let alone accepted. Just like a multitude of other things.
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
The only thing that is important is 9/11 truth.
What is the difference between criminal negligence and MIHOP? They both implicate treason.
The only thing that is important is 9/11 truth.
We need to find out what it is. We need an investigation to discover the full truth. We should stick to the most compelling evidence to get this investigation. Speculation that can’t be proved is a distraction. Misleading arguments are a booby trap.
There is a lot of room for different opinions and respectful dialogue. I agree that this should be encouraged—not shunned.
“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."
Negligence will not be called criminal
Sorry, but negligence will be spun to let a couple puppets take a fall. Negligence will not force hearings for private defense contractors involved with drills. If the only thing that is important in 9/11 truth, it is a confirmed truth that MIHOP is a reality of the 9/11 events. The labels are not to shun but to classify.
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You may have a point
that it will be "spun" in this manner. For the record I strongly believe in "MIHOP". However, criminal negligence is still very serious.
“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."
It is proven...
over and over again that the towers and 7 could not have fallen in any way, shape, or form without prepositioned "help", lest they defy the laws of physics. From that one can only conclude mihop, nothing else. Anyone I encounter who says lihop, or "we are not being told everything" becomes the benificiary of a short speech from me containing only scientific facts, and the physical impossibilities of 9/11. 10 minutes later they are all mihop'ers - Its actually that simple. Anyone who still believes the official story, and wont listen to facts and science is a lost cause, just move on.
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Both are meaningful but must be distinguished from nonsense
Wasn't the labelling created by Nico? In which case, it should be ditched.
All levels of questioning should be honored - everyone has their own comfort zone that should be respected.
The problem is when some want to tell others that they should stop investigating what interests them. All of us has our own reasons for what we do and that should be honored.
That said, the distinction between evidence showing complicity vs involvement is very different than strong evidence in general vs hoaxes. Everyone in the movement has the right to tell people who are promoting hoaxes refuted repeatedly by people within the movement , to stop presenting that information to the public, i.e., space beams and no planes at WTC.
What I don't think we should be doing is telling each other "You can't only look at complicity or you're supporting the official story," or "You can't only look at demolition or you're ruining the effort."
We should all be working in parallel on many different levels, while actively rejecting the utter nonsense, together.
DING!!!
"Wasn't the labelling created by Nico? In which case, it should be ditched."
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
DITCHED? You mean I shouldn't say things like....
You LIHOP butterhead planehugger?
I'll try not to, but I'm not making any promises.
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Exactly...
Like that.
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
Exactly
or "Steven Jones lapdog" after "debating" a troll on 911blogger.
We just love those planes so much we can't stop hugging them.
I'm IHOP...
;-P
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
Mmmmmmmm...
IHOP... *homer simpson*
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
Not to mention
that using such arcane, ridiculous sounding terminology tends to make one sound like a freakin' idiot (or some kind of Trekkie) to the uninitiated ie the majority of the population.
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Like...
A "Conspiracy Buff?"
I don't know if you took the time to listen to it, but Michael Parenti addresses "Conspiracy Buffs" in his lecture about JFK, which to me, is probably his best lecture ever.
"And this is why for 30 years, the mainstream press, has suppressed or dismissed out of hand the findings about JFK's death. The findings of independent investigators like Peter Dale Scott, Harold Weisberg, Carl Oglesby, Mark Lane, Anthony Summers, Philip Melenson, Jim Garrison, Sior Wette, and dozens and dozens of others. They're called assassination buffs. They're not buffs. Even that word is a limiting and marginalizing and diminishing term. A buff is kind of a hobby pursuer you see. It's a kind of a quirky person who follows quirky little interests. Would you talk about Holocaust buffs would you? No. They are serious investigators of a very serious crime which leads to all sorts of serious understandings about the criminal nature of the state."
I apologize for getting the spelling of the names wrong. I know I did.
Speaking of the "state", Michael Parenti mentioned the National Security State. I had heard that term before, but didn't know it's definition. I looked it up.
It's amazing how accurate it is.
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
I think...
It's hysterical that blogs having to do with foreknowledge are so aggressively, and viciously attacked. It's almost as if the "Powers That Be" would much prefer foreknowledge not being discussed.
I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that the majority of Americans that do question 9/11 think they "knew about it," and convincing foreknowledge information might make "newcomers" more receptive to other information.
If you don't believe me, then the next time you're in line at a 7-11, or a supermarket, ask the person standing next to you if they think the Government lied about 9/11. If they are receptive, I guarantee that the majority of people you ask that question to will respond by saying, "they definitely knew about it."
People need to remember that not everyone has the time to do the research that some of us have done.
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
Very much agree Jon
I think that in almost all cases, unanswered questions or for knowledge-type arguments have the ability to hit the guilty where it hurts much better than putting forth a full complicity-type of argument. It is definitely more effective in both academic and government settings. I mean if I am a caller on C-SPAN's Washington Journal or if I have the opportunity to ask a question at the 9/11 Public Discourse Project (where they had pairs of 9/11 Commissioners tour the country and take questions from the public in 2005) and I bring up the topic of controlled demolition, I can easily be dismissed as a nut by both the audience and the person being questioned. If you keep your question within the framework of the official story and discuss topics such as unanswered questions or for knowledge, you often have the ability to catch politicians and other important people in their own lies in very public settings. This is much harder for them to easily dismiss and it can be much more effective in appealing to an unconverted audience.
Focusing on unanswered questions and for knowledge definitely has the ability to be a gateway for many people, particularly those that are more skeptical of the idea of conspiracy. I think at this point that legitimacy in the eyes of the people that we have the potential to convert is definitely one of the most threatening things to this system and one of the most empowering things to this movement.
Foreknowledge...
Is an extremely useful tool to show that they were lying. Once you prove them to be liars, everything else becomes easy.
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton