Phoenix New Times Nixes Sander Hicks

From Hicks' blog at GNN;

My Letter in New Times....Something Missing?

Sat, 17 Mar 2007

What’s Missing Here? New Times of Phoenix, AZ, published my letter in this week’s issue, but they chopped it up beyond recognition.

My original letter had continuity, a real argument, a local angle. New Times dropped the sensational 9/11 connection to their Senator John Kyl, who was in the meeting with ISI Chief Mahmood Ahmad, on the morning of 9/11. Not only did they leave out Kyl entirely, they left out the title “ISI Chief” so that when my letter mentions “Mahmood Ahmad,” it’s totally out of the blue. To the average American, that name sounds just like another Arabic name…one out of millions. Not the most suppressed fact about our modern age. New Times joins CNN and Federal News Service in censoring the words “ISI Chief” from the media records which should be transparent, not conniving, shivering in the darkness, taking sniper cheap shots at truth-seekers out on the margins.

Continued...
http://sander.gnn.tv/blogs/22336/My_Letter_in_New_Times_Something_Missing

Shocked! I'm shocked, I tell you! - r. /sarcasm

The Goods on ISI Cheif

For lots of information on ISI Chief General Mahmood Ahmad watch 911 Truth Surge:

I couldn't watch this once

I couldn't keep watching this after the chin puppet came on the screen.

Hand Puppet

I had the same reaction. The subject matter is hard enough to transmit without being creepy.

http://www.truthcult.com

NETSCAPE DONT BURY

To me...

This makes a mockery of 9/11: Press For Truth. Then again, what's the greatest form of flattery, etc...


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Mockery?

John Gold, sorry to hear that from you. The others didn't matter. I would think getting vital information out to as many people as possible would be the most important thing. However, I see some here are more interested in putting first personal taste ahead of getting the good word out. I'm glad you mentioned 911 Press for Truth, as I'm very familiar with the film and have used alot of information for the video. I have been showing 911 Press for Truth in public venue for free for the last 6 months at my own expense (I'm not rich). I've seen the film no less than fifty times. It is the film I have promoted more than any other. So important is the film that I list it on my website as the most important 911 Truth film out there. The only sad thing I discovered about 911 Press for Truth is that for every showing I've had of the film, nearly every person under 25 in the audience would leave after ten minutes, add to it that on my sign in sheet with space for comments, the most typical response for 911 Press for Truth was - BORING! You can imagine how much that upset me. It upset me so much that I put together a monster effort to somehow figure out how to keep young people in their seats so they too can learn this vital information. I think tapping into the younger set is the heart of any great movement ultimately because they have the most at stake, as well as having the most energy. Ultimately, I feel happy with the response I have received from the younger set.

It really upset me John Gold that you said it was a mockery of 911 Press for Truth. I really wish you could have gotten pass a prop to see the substance above all else. But whatever, there are a thousand ways to skin a cat and there certainly isn't one road to Truth.

My opinion...

Was based on two factors. It takes the information within 9/11: Press For Truth, and puts a chipmunk voice to it (which takes away from the seriousness of the information presented, in my opinion). Also, is there a credit for PFT in the film? Since a lot of the footage is directly from the film? I don't recall. If I'm mistaken, I apologize.

Personally, I've only been to 3 screenings of PFT, and to my knowledge, no one has walked out. However, I understand what you're saying about juicing it up for the younger audience. It's a documentary, and documentary's are generally boring. Moore's F911 has more of what you're talking about.

EDIT: I saw that you mentioned PFT at the end.

I apologize if you were offended.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

So, sunbeam, who are you and

So, sunbeam, who are you and why did you join 911Blogger again?

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Did you watch the video?

911 Truth Surge:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=275113059872848770

The title of my post is a quote, so maybe I should have made that clear. I assume it is the title you objected to, or is there any other part of the post which upsets you?

Oh, I posted an introduction on the activist poll

Let's not over state the case...

Kicking possible trolls doesn't upset me-- I enjoy it.

That said, I was asking--albiet doubtfully. I'll go over to dz's blog and check it out. I'd use quotes in future--one can never be too clear on-line. ;-)

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

My appologies for breathing down your neck

No doubt if I'd followed the links it would have been clearer where you were comming from--I'm a bit rushed this morning.

Still-- Luke...use the quotes!

;-)

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Thank you & I’ve had much worse

I enjoyed the video, but even using the word “enjoyed” is troublesome.

I think the video has a valid approach, and it should be given some proper consideration, but I can understand people feeling uneasy with it. Its mockery is aimed at (and hits) the OCT, but it in no way mocks 9/11 Press for Truth.

QuitTheirClogs

Thanks for spotting my intentions of the video. Add to it I wanted to express just how f#cking angry I am (I am not alone) and I wanted to curse my head off at the administration and send a message that we mean business and we will not let up until we get justice. It's up to Bush if he wants to go peacfully or if we will we send in a Marine unit to drag his murdering ass out of the White House. Also, I was trying to be ironic by literally turning the Talking-Head-Mainstream-Media's version of 911 Truth upside down. Thanks again, QuitTheirClogs

Sander Hicks

Hey, I'm sorry for causing some bickering on your excellent blog input (as always). My intentions were simply to provide more info about General Mahmood.

is this the same paper...

with the fat slobby dude disrupting the phoenix conference? yeah, it is. stephen lemmings, that sucko swine must sleep well knowing what a fine mess he will be regarded as.
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil 89 (1886).
http://anti-neocons.com/

Stephen Lemons...

Tried to paint us as Holocaust Deniers long before Eric Williams had anything to do with the 9/11 Accountability Conference, or before there was a 9/11 Accountability Conference.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2006-09-07/news/loose-screws/

With the gall of Holocaust deniers, Knudson, et al., claim the collapse of the Twin Towers was because of a secretly implemented "controlled demolition." Temperatures from fires resulting from the crashes of two Boeing 767s were not hot enough to melt the towers' steel columns, they argue. Videos of the towers falling supposedly show a controlled demolition under way.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

my rational letter

Here's my 'rational' letter to the New Times:

"Please address why you edited Sander Hicks' letter to exclude the fact that Mahmood Ahmed was the Pakistani ISI Chief? Why did you edit other portions including removing Senator Kyl's name?

Perhaps you are unaware, but a large number of 9/11 victims' families and 9/11 first responders are questioning the Pakistani ISI's involvement in 9/11. The film 9/11: Press for Truth explored this issue with several of the families involved. The Pakistani ISI-9/11 connection is also the story Wall Street reporter Daniel Pearl was investigating when he was murdered.

I think it is unconscionable that you would censor this information. I'm sharing this with all my friends in Phoenix to boycott your newspaper. You are insulting the victims families by misrepresenting key facts. I don't personally believe that the U.S. government was involved in 9/11 but it seems likely that the Pakistani ISI was."

Publish this in a competetor's newspaper?

Anon, this is a very good letter. Please tell us if they actually publish it... which does appear unlikely... alas.

I wonder if we could make use of competition somehow here? Is there a competing news organization in the area that would like to take a swipe at this one? Here is an excellent issue to do it with.

Sander's letter

I thought Sander's letter was excellent except for the Abramoff-Atta connection. It seems very weak to me. Just because Atta went to the casinos doesn't mean he knew Abramoff. Is there any more evidence ot suggest otherwise?

I think it's more enlightening that few talk about how Abramoff's partner likely ordered a mob hit on Gus Boulis, the casinos' owner.

"I think it's more

"I think it's more enlightening that few talk about how Abramoff's partner likely ordered a mob hit on Gus Boulis, the casinos' owner."

i agree, its a media blackout in action. even Bill Moyers didnt really wanna go there in his otherwise thorough documentary about Delay/Abramoff on PBS.

Weak?

What about the ISI / Atta connection? I mean if you are going to scrutinize evidence you should apply the brush evenly. The Mahmood connection is based soley on an 'alleged' Indian Intelligence report. Every reference to Mahmood/ISI/9/11 Hijacker 100K is using the Times Of India article as it's reference.

Umm...yea Pakistan and India are not the best of friends. We really need to re-look at this Mahmood/ISI pseudo-connection...

It's based on flim flam 'evidence' as people have called it. It's echoed across every web site regarding these issues as if it's fact. I've been to meetings and had people repeat it to me like it's solid rock. It's not.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

I agree, but didn't the WSJ

I agree, but didn't the WSJ report the Times of India story? And the general did resign. And the ISI is connected to Al Qaeda. And the paymaster (not the general) was reportedly working for the ISI. And the 9/11 paymaster's name was all obsfucated in the press. It is more credible than the Atta-Abramoff connection.

How credible is the Times of India? Weren't they sourcing unnamed FBI sources?

In what way

is the coverage of the CIA's favorite newspaper indicative?

Good Point

The knee-jerk reaction of the 9/11 Truth movement is to accept so-called 'mainstream' accounts of a story as long as it supports our made up minds. But guess what? If it doesn't support our made up minds? Well...that is the case of state sponsored media, a media that peddles the 'official theory' about 9/11.

The issue for me is focus. Why focus on shit that is based on "intel agency" reports and newspapers that report on alleged 'intel reports' from India. I should note that, if anyone doesn't know, Pakistan and India are not the best of friends! Go to any of these web sites like the Times of India and search their archives for anti-ISI media.

Happy Reading.

IMO, 9/11 Truth should strip down the un-substantiated garbage that ends up weighing down the movement. There are a few issues that won't lead you down the road of wild dis info goose chases.

1. Building 7 collapse
2. Air Defenses in total stand down.

These are two issues that should, would, could, and must be explained in the face of such a disaster that was/is 9/11. With these two issues we have concrete evidence and we have procedures which seem to have been ignored. Why?

Stop the ISI spook non-sense today.

When we get involved with spooks and spies and rival intelligence agencies who all have CIA spooks in their midst...you set yourself up for a wild dis info goose chase.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Ah...

Building 7 or bust. The Absolutionist mindset. No thanks.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Absolutist

not Absolutionist -- that would be the preacher you confess your sins to...

No you are wrong Jon.

I'm looking at the evidence and choosing the best topics. If we inundate the entire debate with pseudo-facts and un-verified (and more importantly...un-verifiable) "evidence", it ends up washing and weighing down movement.

Why chase down intelligence reports that can't be found, double and triple CIA/ISI/MI6 agents who apparently work for varoius intelligence agencies....

It's a wild goose chase by design. I mean right off the bat you have one guy being merged with 1 or more other people.

I'm not saying don't look and I'm not saying only look at it...I'm saying...use the strongest evidence to achieve the quickest and most convincing path to justice.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Omar Sheikh is currently...

In Prison, and the retired Lt. Gen Ahmad is living in Lahore Pakistan.

Both are easily accessible to a new investigation (if one is created). They are far from a "wild goose chase".


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

These really are our BEST issues,

as you say:

1. Building 7 collapse
2. Air Defenses in total stand down.

I might add...

3. Evidence destruction

to that list.

And Jon, I don't think anyone means we *shouldn't* be interested in other matters. I am. But these three seem, to me at least, so far beyond spin as to be perfect, even for the courts if it ever got there. Even Johnny Cochran could not have spun these away -- I think. I hope.

Actually...

Our "best issue" is the 9/11 Commission and the 9/11 Report they created.

Exhibit A as it were.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

a new investigation, not theories

Just because it's from a newspaper or an "intel agency" doesn't mean it's false. There is a LOT of damning evidence published in mainstream news on 9/11 that people just ignore. The 9/11-ISI connection is logical when considered in context with other evidence.

I think WTC7 needs to be investigated, but I'm not 100% convinced that it was demolished. The main reason is because the lack of anyone in the U.S. with the expertise speaking out saying it was a demolition. I read Brent Blanchard's article on the WTC implosion from ImplosionWorld.com and found most of it convincing. I don't believe he's "in on it". Nor the hundreds of other people who were there.

The other key thing is the lack of sesimic evidence. I wasn't persuaded by the Journal of 9/11 Studies paper on it. First it seems implausible. Second, wouldn't there be two seismic readouts for the bomb and then the impact?

As for the air defense stand down, I don't think that can be proven either. People chalk it up to confusion.

HOWEVER, I will say if enough level headed Americans knew that WTC7 was never explained, wasn't in the 9/11 report, and the questionable nature of it, plus the fact that NORAD and the FAA repeatedly lied about the response time then MAYBE enough people would demand a new investigation.

We need a new investigation, not theories. Promote the government's incompetence, lies, and the unanswered questions and fight for a real investigation.

WTF?

You found Blanchard's handwaving "convincing"? You're not 100% convinced WTC7 was demolished?

And that because none of the few family companies in the US are willing to put their living at stake? How about you follow the voice of reason from within rather than the voice of experts from without? That's part of what freedom is.

No, there wouldn't be two seismic readouts from the detonation and the impact, as there is not much from the lateral impact being coupled into the ground 1000ft below. Even the '93 bomb did hardly register, or so I heard, because of lacking ground coupling...

ISI Goose Chase

Maybe the reason these papers edit out Mahmood's ISI/General reference is because there is no evidence beyond an alleged Indian Intel. report (HAHAHAHA!).

This alleged report has never been seen, produced, or checked for facts.

I still can't believe the overwhelming infatuation with this Mahmood ISI General character when the facts on the ground really are non-existant.

People have purposly or ignorantly woven together the lives of two or more men, connected them to the ISI General through some vague 'Indian Intel. Report' that has never been produced....but only reported on by an India of Times publication then referenced in a few other articles as..."as reported by the TOI".

This loose goose affiliation is then escalated when one finds out that...

"OMG! Mahmood was with top US leaders before 9/11!!!!"

Finding this out people just forget to even question the veracity of the Mahmood claims. The alarming response you get when...."OMG MAHMOOD WAS IN DC JUST PRIOR TO 9/11!!!" causes people to not even look at the facts.

Sander Hicks mentions this ISI connection at every turn. There is no evidence beyond the Times Of India reporting on an "alleged" intel report from Indian Inteligence agencies.

Has ANYONE actually seen this report? Or do we, the 9/11 Truth Movement, just believe everything we read and see that expresses distrust in the 'official version' of events?

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Those in charge seem to want this lead buried

Your question looks valid, jpass. This 'lead' gets reported as fact, and you have a good point in showing that the sourcing is weak at best.

But many of us just want someone with the wherewithal for it to actually look into the leads. Any and all leads. A lead comes up, like this one. Maybe it is phoney. Maybe it is solid. No one with the capacity for it actually tries to determine its veractiy or falsehood.

It would take resources most of us do not have to look into this story. I think one would have to go to India and track down how the story got written in the first place. Or make use of Indian sources to do that. You or they would have to know the local languages and politics well. A real investigation in this country could motivate that sort of investigation. Maybe.

In the meantime, this lead at least serves to demonstrate that big and strange problems may well exist in the official story -- problems that the officials try to resolutely ignore. Why do they want this angle buried? Wny do they want us to ignore it?. I think that question is what attracts us truthers to it.

Mahmoud Ahmad/Omar Sheikh

Press Trust Of India
Pakistani Director-General of Inter- Services Intelligence (ISI), Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmed, has been forced into retirement after FBI investigators established "credible links" between him and Umer Sheikh, one of the three militants released in exchange for passengers of the hijacked Indian Airlines plane in 1999.

India Today
It is understood that Ahmed as ISI chief instructed Omar Sheikh, a Harkat-ul-Mujahideen terrorist freed during the Indian Airlines Kandahar hijacking, to send $1,00,000 to Mohammed Atta, who was involved in the kamikaze attack on the World Trade Center. Sheikh, who now lives near the Binori mosque in Karachi, was spotted in Islamabad at the time the money was transferred to Atta.

The Daily Excelsior
The FBI’s examination of the hard disk of the cellphone company Omar Sheikh had subscribed to led to the discovery of the "link" between him and the deposed chief of the Pakistani ISI, Gen. Mehmood Ahmed. And as the FBI investigators delved deep, sensational information surfaced with regard to the transfer of 100,000 dollars to Mohammed Atta, one of the Kamikaze pilots who flew his Boeing into the World Trade Centre. Gen. Mehmood Ahmed, the FBI investigators found, fully knew about the transfer of money to Atta.

"Maybe the reason these papers edit out Mahmood's ISI/General reference is because there is no evidence beyond an alleged Indian Intel. report (HAHAHAHA!)."

Must be why the 9/11 Commission didn't bother looking into it even though it was one of the questions submitted by the families.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Jon, these articles all reference the same TOI article.

These articles all call on the Times of India article that claims it's 'evidence' is derived from an "Indian Intelligence Report".

The FBI has not confirmed this. I've shown multiple times on this form how two reporters from The Guardian and another which I can't remember his publication use shoddy wording in an attempt to make it seem like the FBI confirmed all this.

As far as I know, the FBI has not confirmed anything of the sort. $100,000 yes! Omar Sheikh? Not so fast.

The point, for me, is that it really doesn't matter. We can argue about the 'alleged' links to 9/11 of one ISI Intelligence agency...which is apparently controlled by another CIA Intelligence Agency...oh..and the source of the information is also from another Indian Intelligence Agency!

In the end we have not the facts or the methods to verify the claims. I think it's irresponsible to parrot claims that have not been verified. This issue has taken a lot of time away from many people and many informative movies when it hasn't been verified.

I've contacted the FBI and former FBI people and received nothing in response to this issue.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

The FBI has not confirmed this...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1573090.stm

According to FBI sources, Mustafa Mohamed Ahmad, a suspected Bin Laden financial operative, transferred money to Mohamed Atta, one of the hijackers, in the days running up to the attacks

Furthermore Atta and two of the other hijackers transferred some $15,000 back to an account under the same name just two days before the attacks.

Mr Ahmad, also known as Sheikh Saeed, is one of 27 individuals or groups with a known link to Bin Laden who have had their assets in America frozen.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/05/inv.terror.investigation/

U.S. investigators now believe Sheik Syed, using the alias Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad, sent more than $100,000 from Pakistan to Mohammed Atta, the suspected hijacking ringleader who piloted one of the jetliners into the World Trade Center.

You're right. "We can argue about the 'alleged' links", but I don't think they're as "alleged" as some people think.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Jon, CNN seems to have been duped...

The article you present is from October 2001. The article fails to mention ANOTHER KNOWN Al Qeada operative who use a name very similar to Omar Said Shekh.

Also, he had a KNOWN ALIAS which is almost EXACTLY the same as the alias allegedly used to wire $100,000 to Atta. This very real and confirmed Bin Laden associate was considered the "financial manager" for Al Qeada pre-2001. But the article attributes this to this new Said.

This article and the "Official US Gov. Source" are merging two people into one. At least that is what I see.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

When I posted that BBC...

Article in your other thread, you said they were confused. Now CNN has been duped.

Is jpass really the only one that can see the "truth"?

I think not. I'm done playing now.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Is jpass really the only one that can see the "truth"?

Low blow Jon.

Appealing to the Group Think / Hive Mind mentality of 9/11 blogger is not fair.

Just the facts sir.

I'm not claiming the only stake on the truth. I'm simply saying the the scenario that has been constructed is nothing but strung together events based on un-verifiable evidence.

It's a waste of time at this point. For me that is. If you guys want to continue chasing spooks, triple agents, tri-intel agencies that hate each other, love each other, own each other, and hire terrorists with each other...go ahead.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Ok.

Then since it's a "waste of time", then there should be no need for you to go into every Pakistan related thread declaring it a "Wild Goose Chase" or "Disinfo", etc...

Thanks.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

You are right but I have an....

Uncontrollable urge to confront those who parrot as fact, un-confirmed and un-substantiated claims...especially when they just don't even represent ALL the facts surounding the case.

The main fact that I'm referring to is that the 9/11 Commission, the Executive Order, and the BBC article all are referring to a man that is absolutely not the same as the Omar Said Sheikh that is in prison for the murder of Daniel Pearle. These are two very different men and yet people parrot it all as one lump sum story without even looking at it.

It's funny. The Omar Said from Britain is labeled as the exact same things that the KNOWN Al Qeada "Finance Chief" is called.

1. The KNOWN AL Qeada is/was known as the 'finance chief' of al qeada. This is now attributed to Omar Said.

2. The KNOWN Al Qeada had a known alias which is exactly that used to wire the money to Atta. This alias is now attributed to the OTHER Omar Said.

3. The KNOWN al qeada operative is being merged with the British Omar Said Sheikh.

I would not be as interested in the situation if it weren't for a few experiences I've had regarding this issue.

1. The over-abundance of people who have never looked at the 'facts' parroting it as if the entire scenario is a slam-dunk case.

2. The fact that the basis of the story is from a Times Of India report and that report only. The report refers to an "intel report" from India. India and Pakistan are arch-enemies. Painting the ISI as a terror financier' would be expected of the India Intelligence Agencies. (whatever that is).

3. The most interesting for me....that not one person, even the strongest like Hicks, ever mention the OTHER al qeada operative who is KNOWN associate of bin laden, known to use the same alias now being attributed to Omar Said, and known as the finance chief of al qeada. Never mentioned and yet, to me, this issue is of great importance.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

I really don't think...

You know what you're talking about. It's clear you haven't read everything there is to read about Omar Sheikh, Mahmoud Ahmad, and the ISI's link to 9/11, and terrorism. EXTREMELY clear.

Paul Thompson mentions the Egyptian individual you speak of, but posts a ridiculous amount of information that shows it was the British born Omar Saeed Sheikh that was the paymaster, and not the other guy.

Since "India and Pakistan are arch-enemies", and we can't trust anything that comes out of India about Pakistan, then I guess it's safe to say that we can't trust anything that comes out of Venezuela about America because they are our "arch-enemy". Like those many reports from Venezuela that said Hugo thinks 9/11 was an inside job. None of those are accurate based on your logic.

And incidentally, the three stories I referenced from the Press Trust of India, India Today, and The Daily Excelsior DO NOT reference the Times of India as being their source for their stories.

"According to the Times Of India", "Times Of India reports..." Nope, don't see it.

I'm done playing.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

wrong

I've read copious amounts of information on the topic. I've witnessed you provided 'sources' about this guy that absolutely refer to the 'other' KNOWN Al Qeada operative and you've confused the two men.

You provided the Executive Order that mentions him and you confused the two men in that thread. Another one of the guys pushing this theory provided a source from footnotes of the 9/11 commission report. Like you, he was mistaken when he assumed the 9/11 Commission was referring to the "British" Omar Sheikh.

I've read enough to know that the Omar Said Sheikh angle is a goose chase.

My theory is that maybe Pakistan is being set up to suffer the same fate is Iraq...sometime in the next 5 to 10 years.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Uh huh...

Saeed’s 9/11 Role is First Revealed
By now, the al-Qaeda 9/11 plot was in motion. Someone in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), using an alias, periodically wired money to and from hijackers Mohamed Atta and Marwan Alshehhi between June 2000 and the day before 9/11. [MSNBC, 12/11/01] The identity of this person has been a highly disputed subject. On September 23, 2001, it was first reported that authorities were now (finally) looking for Saeed Sheikh, though it wasn’t explained why. [London Times, 9/23/01] The next day, it was reported that the 9/11 “paymaster” had been found, using the alias “Mustafa Ahmed.” [Newsweek, 9/24/01] On October 1, 2001, the Guardian reported, “The man at the center of the financial web is believed to be Sheikh Saeed, also known as Mustafa Mohamed Ahmad,” but it wasn’t immediately clear who this person was. [Guardian, 10/1/01] On October 6, CNN revealed that “US investigators now believe Sheik Syed, using the alias Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad, sent more than $100,000 from Pakistan to Mohamed Atta.” More importantly, CNN confirmed that this was in fact the same Saeed Sheikh who had been released from an Indian prison in 1999. [CNN, 10/6/01]

[...]

Enter Lt. Gen. Mahmood and the ISI
On October 7, 2001, Pakistani President Musharraf fired Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed, the head of the ISI. The next day, some newspapers, mostly in India but also in Pakistan, shockingly said he was fired for his role in the 9/11 attacks. [Press Trust of India, 10/8/01] For instance, a Pakistani newspaper stated, “Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed has been replaced after the FBI investigators established credible links between him and Umar Sheikh, one of the three militants released in exchange for passengers of the hijacked Indian Airlines plane in 1999… Informed sources said there were enough indications with the US intelligence agencies that it was at Gen. Mahmood’s instruction that Sheikh had transferred 100,000 US dollars into the account of Mohammed Atta…” [Dawn, 10/9/01] Indian newspapers claimed that Indian intelligence had been instrumental in helping to establish the connection. [Times of India, 10/9/01, India Today, 10/15/01, Agence France-Presse, 10/10/01, Daily Excelsior, 10/18/01] Yet this explosive story was barely mentioned in the West. [Australian, 10/10/01, AFP, 10/10/01] In the US, surprisingly, the only mention was in a one short piece in the Wall Street Journal, mentioning that, “The US authorities… confirm[ed] the fact that $100,000 [was] wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the insistence of General Mahmood.” [Wall Street Journal, 10/10/01] Most other Western accounts simply explained Mahmood was fired for being too close to the Taliban. [London Times, 10/9/01, Guardian, 10/9/01]

If true, the story would strongly suggest that the ISI played a very large role in the 9/11 attacks. Why the silence on such an important story? One might credit skepticism that the story was merely Indian propaganda. But a larger pattern, detailed below, suggests there is something more to the media’s attitude: a strong reluctance to print any evidence suggesting Pakistan was behind the 9/11 attacks.

Mahmood’s sudden and complete disappearance also seems curious. He is reportedly living under “virtual house arrest” [Asia Times, 1/5/02], and has refused to speak to reporters since being fired. [AP, 2/21/02] Other former ISI Directors living in Pakistan seemingly even more supportive of the Taliban continue to be very vocal (such as Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul, for instance [New Yorker, 12/3/01]), and numerous other ISI officers have supported the Taliban in seeming defiance of Musharraf’s wishes and not faced house arrest. [Guardian, 5/25/02]

Distractions Away From Saeed
Not only did Mahmood suddenly become persona non grata, but so did Saeed Sheikh, now that he was implicated in Mahmood’s story. He was again mentioned as the 9/11 paymaster the day before the Mahmood story broke [CNN, 10/8/01], and then suddenly, all mention of him ceased (with one exception [CNN, 10/28/01]). Since then, the FBI has put forth a variety of alternates for the identity of the person in the 9/11 paymaster role. The story is too complicated to greatly detail here, but the FBI and media have variously filled Saeed Sheikh’s shoes with an Egyptian named Shaykh Saiid [Sydney Morning Herald, 9/28/01, New York Times, 10/15/01, Los Angeles Times, 10/20/01], a Saudi named Sa’d Al-Sharif, said to be bin Laden’s brother-in-law [Newsweek, 11/11/01, AP, 12/18/01], a Kenyan named Sheik Sayyid el Masry [CNN, 10/16/01, Trial Transcript, 2/20/01, Trial Transcript, 2/21/01], a Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi or al-Hisawi (suggesting no alias was used) [MSNBC, 12/11/01, Wall Street Journal, 6/17/02], a Shaikh Saiid al-Sharif [AP, 6/4/02], an Ali Abdul Aziz Ali (for some of the money transfers) [Congressional Intelligence Committee, 9/26/02], and so on. Most recently, the FBI said the most well-known candidate, Shaikh Saiid al-Sharif, doesn’t actually exist, but is probably a composite of Mustafa Ahmed Al-Hisawi, Shaikh Saiid al-Masri, and Saad al-Sharif. [AP, 12/26/02] Newsweek, in describing yet another name variation, Mustafa Ahmad Adin Al-Husawi, says the person “remains almost a total mystery,” and no one is sure of his name or even if he is one person. [Newsweek, 9/4/02] (Note that Saeed appears to be a master of disguise, as can be seen by the bewildering number of names he is referred to in the media: Sheik Syed, Ahmad Umar Sheikh, Umar Sheikh, Sheik Omar Saeed, Omar Saiid Sheikh, Sheikh Omar, etc… He opened bank accounts using many of his name variations, or even completely unrelated names. [The News, 2/13/02])

While the FBI and media have been putting forth a series of names sounding remarkably similar to Saeed Sheikh or the aliases he used, they have been ignoring or forgetting solid evidence that links Saeed Sheikh to the funding of 9/11. To do so would mean confronting Saeed’s ISI ties, and the possibility that he was acting on orders from Mahmood, or even President Musharraf.

Saeed, Working With Underworld Figures, Gives Money to Mohamed Atta
During the five years Saeed spent in an Indian prison, he developed friendships with some very unsavory people. One such person was Aftab Ansari. Ansari is an Indian gangster who was released on bail near the end of 1999 and then skipped the country. [India Today, 2/25/02] Saeed additionally met a prisoner named Asif Raza Khan, also released in 1999. [Rediff, 11/17/01] Ansari moved to Dubai, United Arab Emirates (UAE), and began expanding his Indian-based criminal network with Asif Raza Khan and others. [Los Angeles Times, 1/23/02] By early 2001, they had organized a kidnapping network. They would kidnap rich Indian businessmen and use the money to fund other illegal activities. [India Today, 2/14/02, Times of India, 2/14/02] Mutual friend Saeed, drawing on his previous terrorist training expertise, provided training and weapons to the kidnappers in return for a percentage of the profits. [Frontline, 2/2/02, India Today, 2/25/02] Ansari’s criminal underground network would also assist the ISI in conducting terrorist attacks inside India. [Press Trust of India, 5/13/02]

In late July 2001, a wealthy Indian shoe manufacturer was kidnapped in Calcutta, India. In early August, his ransom was paid to Ansari’s group, and the victim was let go. Ansari gave about $100,000 of the approximately $830,000 in ransom money to Saeed, who sent it to hijacker Mohamed Atta. [Los Angeles Times, 1/23/02, Independent, 1/24/02] A series of recovered e-mails shows the money was sent just after August 11, 2001. [India Today, 2/14/02, Times of India, 2/14/02]

Note that this $100,000 is the same amount ISI Director Mahmood supposedly told Saeed to send to Atta. The timing of Mahmood’s order isn’t known, however. It may refer to this early August 2001 transaction, or it could refer to a separate approximately $100,000 sent to Atta from Dubai, UAE between June and September 2000. [MSNBC, 12/11/01, Newsweek, 12/2/01] There were probably other transactions, since it is believed the hijackers spent between $500,000—$600,000 in the US. At least $325,000 came from the person using the alias “Mustafa Ahmed” and variants on that name. [New York Times, 7/10/02] The lack of banking regulations in the UAE and the secrecy of the Middle Eastern “hawala” money transfer system has apparently kept details of these other money transfers unknown. [Los Angeles Times, 1/20/02] But it stands to reason that Saeed wouldn’t have sent only one money transfer on orders of Mahmood and the rest on his own initiative. Presumably, Saeed used Ansari’s money because it would leave even less of a paper trail than money from a legitimate banking account.

The FBI has reported that many of the hijackers passed through Dubai and met with the 9/11 paymaster. They would be given Visa credit cards, travelers checks, and help in opening bank accounts. [Washington Post, 12/13/01, MSNBC, 12/11/01, Congressional Intelligence Committee, 9/26/02, London Times, 12/1/01, Congressional Intelligence Committee, 9/26/02] This further suggests that the paymaster was Saeed, since he was making frequent trips to Dubai at this time. [Guardian, 2/9/02]

Seems to me that someone is trying to cover up Omar Sheikh's involvement in 9/11. Much like you're trying to do.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Still playing huh?

I'm not trying to cover anything up. My contention is that, for some reason or another, the two Saeed Sheik's have been merged into one. Media accounts are confusing and confuse the two Sheiks over and over. Some don't even know there are two guys with seemingly the same name. They don't even know that the KNOWN al qeada since 1990 was known as the 'finance' guy for al qeada and they don't seem to know that he used an alias such as the one used to wire the money.

My gut feeling is that it's a wild goose chase. Put it together with Sander Hicks 'other' goose chase "Vreeland" and you got a lot of wasted time.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Show me...

That the Egyptian had the same exact alias. Show me where they are "confused". Cite examples.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

exec...

Executive Order, 9/11 Commission footnotes, BBC article linked above...they all are talking about the egyptian Shay ike' who was the Al Qeada finance manager.

You yourself have used the Executive order as proof about Omar Saiid when, in fact, the executive order is talking about the non-british Shey ike'.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

The Executive Order...

Cited Shaykh Sa'id/Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad with no mention of where he originated. The BBC article mentions "Mustafa Mohamed Ahmad", and "Sheikh Saeed" with no mention of where he originated from. The staff statement you're referring to mentions, "Shayk Said" with no mention of where he originated from.

In regards to the staff statement I, myself, have said, "It seems to me that Shayk Said is a different spelling for Omar Sayeed Sheikh. I could be wrong. However, I can't find any mention of Shayk Said being the "Finance Chief" for "Al-Qaeda." Other than from the 9/11 Report."

But if you read what Thompson states, "the FBI and media have variously filled Saeed Sheikh’s shoes with an Egyptian named Shaykh Saiid [Sydney Morning Herald, 9/28/01, New York Times, 10/15/01, Los Angeles Times, 10/20/01], a Saudi named Sa’d Al-Sharif, said to be bin Laden’s brother-in-law [Newsweek, 11/11/01, AP, 12/18/01], a Kenyan named Sheik Sayyid el Masry [CNN, 10/16/01, Trial Transcript, 2/20/01, Trial Transcript, 2/21/01], a Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi or al-Hisawi (suggesting no alias was used) [MSNBC, 12/11/01, Wall Street Journal, 6/17/02], a Shaikh Saiid al-Sharif [AP, 6/4/02], an Ali Abdul Aziz Ali (for some of the money transfers) [Congressional Intelligence Committee, 9/26/02], and so on. Most recently, the FBI said the most well-known candidate, Shaikh Saiid al-Sharif, doesn’t actually exist, but is probably a composite of Mustafa Ahmed Al-Hisawi, Shaikh Saiid al-Masri, and Saad al-Sharif. [AP, 12/26/02] Newsweek, in describing yet another name variation, Mustafa Ahmad Adin Al-Husawi, says the person “remains almost a total mystery,” and no one is sure of his name or even if he is one person. [Newsweek, 9/4/02] (Note that Saeed appears to be a master of disguise, as can be seen by the bewildering number of names he is referred to in the media: Sheik Syed, Ahmad Umar Sheikh, Umar Sheikh, Sheik Omar Saeed, Omar Saiid Sheikh, Sheikh Omar, etc… He opened bank accounts using many of his name variations, or even completely unrelated names."

They have been trying to confuse the identity of Omar Sheikh, the originally reported identity, and one alleged to have wire transferred the $100,000 to Atta.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Loose Change 2 {Off Topic)

I just noticed LC2 is back on the top twenty at Google Video. It's at the #19 spot and rising. I still think it's the best 9/11 video out there and I have seen them all. That video saved the truth movement after Ruppert dropped out. Can't wait for the Final Cut. I will bet that one will hit the top spot over night! People are waking up big time! Thanks Dylan and crew, you hard work has really paid off.