If You Want Something Done Right...
By Jon Gold
12/7/2006
This movement, more than anything else in existence, has supported the sick and the dying from the environmental disaster that was 9/11.
As we all know, it was the White House, through Condoleezza Rice's office, that signed off on the infamous press release read by then EPA Director, Christie Todd Whitman that said, "Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C. that their air is safe to breath and their water is safe to drink."
Christie denied misleading the public, but a Federal Judge by the name of Deborah A. Batts BLASTED her by saying, "no reasonable person would have thought that telling thousands of people that it was safe to return to lower Manhattan, while knowing that such return could pose long-term health risks and other dire consequences, was conduct sanctioned by our laws."
On January 7th of this year, James Zadroga passed away.
Michael Palladino, head of the Detectives' Endowment Association said that, "He was a hero, he disregarded his own health and life to rescue people at Ground Zero."
I am sad to say that James was the not the only one affected by the environmental disaster. As it stands right now, there are upwards of 70,000 people that are now sick as a result of breathing in those toxins.
Recently, another victim of the disaster passed away. This time, it was a nun by the name of Cindy Mahoney. Before she died, she promised to donate her body to be autopsied in the hopes of helping those that are suffering. She is a hero in her own right.
On December 3rd, it was reported that, Rep. Nadler is investigating whether or not, "five Bloomberg administration officials" [...] "violated congressional intent and misspent federal money to dispute more than 6,400 claims." They apparently believed it was their "duty to defend" against the claims.
These people are sick and dying as a result of actions by our Government, and now that very same Government is letting them suffer. This is unacceptable.
After 9/11, the people of America managed to donate upwards of $5Billion to the people affected by the attacks.
Since it seems the Government does not seem willing to help, it again falls on the shoulders of the people.
As I said, this movement has always supported the sick and the dying from the environmental disaster that was 9/11. It is time to dig deep, and give them the kind of support they need. There are currently first responders who are having problems getting by month to month. We have people like David Miller who walks around with a mobile respirator, and Craig Bartmer going to places like the PSU to inform people of what's going on, but are too proud to ask for money.
There are currently 2 organizations that are accepting money to help the first responders, and a new one that will be announced in the coming weeks.
They are:
The Feal Good Foundation
Gear Up Foundation
Very soon, 911Blogger.com is going to start accepting donations that will be split evenly among all of the organizations listed. Obviously, the more that can be raised, the better. These people are heroes, and they deserve so much better than they've gotten.
Craig Bartmer recently said in regards to our efforts as a movement, "You're not offending me. You're doing the right thing."
It's time for us to the right thing again. Please give what you can, and thank you.
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"[T]his is horrible to say,
"[T]his is horrible to say, and I wonder if I'm alone in this -- you know, it took me about a year to start hating the 9-11 victims' families? Took me about a year."
- Glenn Beck
Glenn Beck -- who also advocates putting Muslims in concentration camps -- has just been given a prime time slot on CNN.
Thank you
for posting this.
it is important and i intend to use it
Glenn Beck is the most
Glenn Beck is the most disgusting, deplorable person on cable news. worse than Hannity, worse than O'Reilly, worse than Tucker Carlson, worse than Lou Dobbs(haha). NOBODY pushes muslim hatred and the fake "war on terror" with more fervor than Glenn Beck. the thing about Beck is that he actually believes the crap that spews from his mouth, you can tell. hes completely brainwashed on a level that i havent seen in the MSM before(and thats saying something). he is a true believer for sure and though im not normally violent, i would give anything to smack this guy in his mouth just once. i have a special kind of hatred for Glenn Beck. fuck you CNN.
Agreed! Glenn Beck is a severe hate-baitor & liar! Probably a
CIA asset also.
i think hes way too dim to
i think hes way too dim to be a CIA asset. at least knowingly. the guy has true irrational fear of muslims, its no act, he is literally gripped by fear every time ive seen him. he had a muslim congressman on last week and basically asked- "how do we know your not working for the terrorists?". the guy is a true believer. he has said we are in WW3 numerous times and goes on and on and on about how Iran is going to kill us all.
Did you say brainwhashed...
The guy is totally brainwashed. Nonetheless, a very active unknowingly dumbbell CIA agent.
The CIA and Corporate News
"The CIA chooses individuals, especially for media positions (and there are plenty of them on TV) who are literate but not smart enough to figure out big pictures. Many individuals to fit that casting call are recruited football players and other athletes from good schools. Plenty of them fill the sportscaster or weatherman role. Remember folks, there are local newsrooms all across the nation (though all are owned by five corporations) with countless roles to cast. They also cast news programs with individuals who are comprimised: perverts, drug addicts, homosexuals (though recruiting based on homosexuality is less and less compromised because of their growing acceptance in the community), and greedy creeps who'd sell their own children for a spin in a Carlyle private jet. No longer do you need to have graduated from college with a Journalism degree to be shoveling corporate swill on network/cable news channels. You just have to be willing to go along with international elite's desire to hoodwink the American public so that the international companies with allegiance to no country can grow profit and gain further control of governments around the world. "
Official CIA souse
hello Tiki Barber!!! (he has
hello Tiki Barber!!! (he has a job shilling for republicans on Fox News) so right.
Glenn Beck..What a fear monger
They say 9/11 truthers sound nutty...give Me a break...The one who sounds like He's out of his mind is Glenn Beck.
Their arrogance knows no boundary.
That's about equivalent to what Ann Coulter said about the Jersey Girls.
About the first responders: They are going to burn for what they did to them.
I mean they aren't going to get away with it.
Their arrogance knows no boundary.
“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."
you know, the disinfo works
you know, the disinfo works better when you dont include it in the title. just post the link and i bet people would have clicked it. get lost.
They have post info in the
They have post info in the title, because they know it will be buried in like 3 seconds...
true
haha, touche....
Gets me...
Every time...
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
Thanks Jon It is always good
Thanks Jon
It is always good to be reminded of who we are fighting for...
Hard working 9/11 Truther goes to the source
This 9/11 Truther decided it was time for action to do something right. Please follow his good example of proving to others that 9/11 was an inside job.
http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/dec_07_2006.mp3
Amen
Dude, that was painful.
Your intentions are great, but you go about it entirely the wrong way.
Some advice:
(1) Don’t expect low-level government agents or phone operators to listen to you say that 9/11 was an inside job, or to direct you to someone who will. Their job is to weed out crank callers, and no offense, but you came across like a nut. And that makes the entire movement look bad.
(2) “100% proof” is not in Loose Change or other videos. If it was, we wouldn’t be having this movement. We need a whistleblower with some juicy inside information that will directly implicate the real perps—if he/she can stay alive long enough to testify. A deathbed confession/accusation would be nice too, like the one from that Russian spy.
(3) Calling is a waste of time, unless you contact (a) the media (radio call-in shows are great) or (b) your Congressman or Senator. With the media, you have the same problem as (1) above. With (b), it helps to be a U.S. citizen, preferably from New York, preferably related to a 9/11 victim.
(4) The best thing you can do is join a local 9/11 Truth group. Or start one yourself. And just keep spreading the word...without getting emotional. This is a game of numbers, and only when we have 2/3+ of the public yelling for a new investigation or impeachment will we get anywhere.That’s my two cents.
Thanks for all the help from our Canadian friends, and good luck, hey!
Sorry, Jeff...
I realize “nut” was a bit harsh. Honestly, I fully applaud your courage and determination.
But it’s also important to be effective, and that requires a cool head and a good strategy, which is why I made those suggestions.
There are other excellent suggestions here:
“Now That You Know, What Can You Do?”
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20051204092855498
Again, good luck and keep on truthin’!
Great Job
Your duty as a citizen of a democracy is to defend your nation. In the USA, not only is it your duty but is required. Furthermore, agencies like the FBI and Homeland Security have programs designed to communicate with the public in order to relay pertinant information about our national security. So, for any of these agencies to ignore the public when we present them with credible information, it infers one thing, they are not legitimate agencies anymore. I'm sure many in the FBI would love to write off the entire Truth Movement as a bunch of conspiracy crazies, as one FBI official exemplified on the phone call message we just listened to by labeling the caller a conspiracy theorist. But the FBI's wishes are just that, wishes. First off, the former head of the FBI, Louis Freeh, and other major figures from our government, have publicly denounced the Official conspiracy theory. Even more damning for the FBI's practice of labeling anyone trying to bring 911 national security information to their attention as "crazy conspiracy theorists" is an assine response considering the fact that so many of us don't have a 911 theory at all. We simply have a mountain load of questions that need to be answered. Primarily, we believe it is essential to investigate the 15 military drills occurring on or immediately before 911 which simulated the exact same scenarios as to what occured on 911.
Amalgam Virgo : Air defense against rogue state/terror cruise missiles and hijackings
Vigilant Guardian: Another on going air defense exercise against hijacking planes
Northern Guardian: Major air defense drills
Vigiliant Warrior: Major NORAD exercises
Northern Vigilance: NORAD deploys major portion of US air defense and fighters to Alaska and Northern Canada
Amalgam Warrior: Large live-fly air defense and air intercepts and tracking surveillance
Global Guardian: Nuclear warfighting exercises "Amageddon" (armed!)
Crown Vigiliance: Air combat command exercise
Apollo Guardian: Large scale live-fly air defense and air intercept, tracking and surveillance
National Reconnaisance Office (NRO): Crashing planes into buildings (WTF!)
AWACS: AWACS flying over Washington DC and Florida
Fort Meyer, Virginia: Firemen (Pentagon), "aircraft crash refresher course" for firefighters
TRIPOD II, Manhatten: Readied response to major emergency already in place 9/10/01, biochemical attack
Timely Alert II: Emergency response to bomb attacks
(for more details about execises: http://cooperativeresearch.org/)
Some of these drills effectually disabled air defense systems, while others introduced fake radar blips on the screens of military personnel, while others deployed military aircraft in the guise of hijacked commercial airliners. Overall it looks to be a massive shell game being played out against the nation and against most all of the military personnel involved, save for the few directors who would be in on the game.
We also demand the release of all the videos from the pentagon showing us whatever it was that hit the pentagon. Again, no theory about the pentagon, just wondering why the 100 plus different pieces of camera-footoage has been withheld for no logical reason. The release would settle the confusion stemming from the small whole created by the large commercial jet which magically dissapeared.
We also would like to know why was Bush in Florida with anti-aircraft weapons on the roof of his hotel, yet the anti-aircraft defense at the pentagon was turned off. We want answers to Cheney stand down orders, from 911 Commission testimony. And if Bush had warning of aircraft being used as a weapon against his Florida hotel, why didn't he pass it on to the rest of the nation, and why did he and others in his Administration blatantly lie to the public and tell us they had no idea airplanes would be used as weapons. We'd also want to know what Russian ruler Putin had urgently talked about with Bush on the phone the morning of 911. The list of questions goes on. So to all those in the FBI who are reading this blog, we'd like to know if you would like to re-constitute your duties and help us defend our nation; or should we begin considering you enemies of state. We do not push forthe theories, only questions. If you'd like a list of our suspicions, which is not conspiracy theory, we'd love to send you the short list.
Finally, to Jeff, the phone caller, great job. Maybe next time you should have in front of you a list of the information you'd like to present to the FBI and the Air Force and to whoever else might be out there willing to defend the nation. It will help you come across more coherently. Bravo!
democracy misstatement
Greenback I agree with pretty much everything I've read from you but I wanted to just correct the statement that we are a Democracy. We are actually a Constitutional Republic. The best analogy I've heard of the two forms was on the "A citizens voice program". I'm sure you're aware of the differences but here it is for everyone else. A Democracy is when 51% of the people hold power over 49% of the people. A Constitutional Republic garauntees the rights of everyone even if the majority is 99% to 1%. The 1% still has inalienable rights that are god-given(even if you're atheist you still have these rights ;) ).
"A Democracy is like 2 wolves and a hen deciding on who they're going to eat."-A Citizens Voice
It would be great if people started calling us a Constitutional Republic rather than a Democracy. It might remind people that regardless of what these asshole politicians are passing for "laws", WE the people have the final say and need to do some serious asskicking to get these repugnant politicians to do their jobs.
As far as I'm concerned the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions acts, etc. are pieces of legislation that the politicians would like to see enforced but, as long as our enforcers(police, judges, lawyers,etc.) realize they do not have to follow these pieces of legislation we're doing okay. The Constitution even states as much about bogus laws.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
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yup constitutional republic
Congress can pass no law that infringes on ones constitutional rights.
Elected officials posess no power that is NOT granted in our constitution.
Its is NOT George Bush"s JOB to protect the american people, We do that ourselves,with our constitution.
Of Course
you are correct. I was more or less using Democracy in a poetic sense. But as far as the Patriot Act goes and the MCAs, you are correct as far as them having to be implemented, but I do think it is seriously important to fight and get that legislation off the books. Sort of like fixing a leaky roof before the water damage builds up and the roof comes down.
The majority of the populace
The majority of the populace rejected the constitution at its founding, and rightly so.
he "Political Creed of Every Federalist" as follows:
I believe in the infallibility, all-sufficient wisdom, and infinite goodness of the late convention; or in other words, I believe that some men are of so perfect a nature that it is absolutely impossible for them to commit errors or design villainy. I believe that the great body of the people are incapable of judging in their nearest concerns, and that, therefore, they ought to be guided by the opinions of their superiors. . . . I believe that aristocracy is the best form of government. . . . I believe that trial by jury and the freedom of the press ought to be exploded from every wise government. . . . I believe that the new constitution will prove the bulwark of liberty--the balm of misery--the essence of justice-and the astonishment of all mankind. In short, I believe that it is the best form of
government which has ever been offered to the world. I believe that to speak, write, read, think, or hear any thing against the proposed government is damnable heresy, execrable rebellion, and high treason against the sovereign majority of the convention--And lastly I believe that every person who differs from me in belief is an infernal villain. AMEN. 22
American Museum, July, 1788, Vol. IV, p. 85.
- If you think it's cool to have elites ruling your sorry ass, that's fine. Just don't try to rule me.
Incidentally, the bill of
Incidentally, the bill of rights was forced upon the "fathers" after the Whiskey Rebellion. The "fathers" were utterly contemptuous of the people and regarded them as a menace. If you insist on basing your philosophy on a three-centuries old document written by slave-holders, at least read their opposition at the time -- the visionary anti-federalists, who realized that:
The new constitution, consistently with the plan of consolidation, contains no reservation of the rights and privileges of the state governments, which was made in the confederation of the year 1778, by article the 2d, viz. "That each state retains its sovereignty, freedom and independence, and every power, jurisdiction and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States in Congress assembled."
The legislative power vested in Congress by the foregoing recited sections, is so unlimited in its nature; may be so comprehensive and boundless [in] its exercise, that this alone would be amply sufficient to annihilate the state governments, and swallow them up in the grand vortex of general empire.
The Address and Reasons of Dissent of the Minority of the Convention of Pennsylvania to Their Constituents
The New York City Impeach Bush meeting reminder
Just a quick reminder that The New York City Impeach Bush
Meetup Group has a Meetup tomorrow.
Please take a minute to RSVP now. This will help your Organizer
plan a better Meetup! You can see who\'s coming and RSVP here:
http://impeachbush.meetup.com/16/calendar/5280639/t/nr1_nr
What: NYC Impeachment Forum
When: Saturday, December 9 at 1:00PM
Who: At least 118 Activists to Impeach Bush
Where: New York Society for Ethical Culture
2 W. 64th St.
New York NY 10023
212-874-5210
Event Description:
Discussion of ImpeachForChange\'s plan to Impeach George Bush
and Dick Cheney:
http://impeachforchange.org
Elizabeth Holtzman, former Congress Member
Cindy Sheehan, Co-Founder of Gold Star Families for Peace
Bob Fertik, Co-Founder of Democrats.com, ImpeachPAC.org, and
ImpeachForChange.org
Event fee: $10.00 per person
We promote them, and then what do they do for us?
How much do you want to bet they don't go near 9/11? I was at a similar forum, sponsored by Harper's Magazine, last March--Holtzman was on the panel for that one as well. Q&A was brief, some in the audience tried to bring up 9/11--one man did manage to get in the point that it made no sense to have a movment for impeachment that made no mention of the Project for a New American Century. The distinguished panelists were cold to such appeals, however. One of them (forget whom) did reply with the oh so bold observation that the administration USED 9-11 like a Reichstag fire (but of course it's unthinkable that they could have actually DONE a Reichstag fire!).
Excellent work promoting the plight of the gravely ill from 9/11
Please keep bringing us this important info, Jon. The least everyone can do is help those first responders who are still suffering. Christie Todd Whitman is a baldfaced liar who, among the others, must be held accountable!
steve buscemi 911 documentary
http://mrbuscemi.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/buscemi-narrates-911-documentary/
online donations?
Jon, If you know the people who run these organizations, perhaps you could share some advice with them? I went to their websites to donate, but The Feal Good Foundation doesn't have an online donation form (I minor inconvenience, I know), and Heroes Helping Heroes doesn't seem to provide any information regarding donations.
I'd like to help, but they aren't making it easy. Something like a PayPal donation icon would go a long way, I think.
I don't know...
The individuals from either organization. Les Jamieson recommended them to me. What I think is going to happen is dz is going to set up a system here, and then people can donate through 911Blogger.com, and then after a certain amount of time passes, we will take whatever money is collected, and split it three ways between the organizations.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
Sounds good.
Sounds good.
A large portion of the blame .....
......also belongs to the many insurance executives who made the decision to pay billions of dollars in claims for the physical damages without doing their own investigations. There were more than 20 companies involved.
I believe had they followed the regular insurance investigations and various corporate procedures that are required by law and designed to protect the stockholders from paying fraudulent claims this problem would have been made public very quickly.
The claims for physical structure damages were the most obvious and most costly in terms of dollars and therefore drew the most attention.
Mr. Silverstein and associates filed claims which amounted to more than $3.5 billion for the damages to the 6 WTC buildings. From what I have seen in the court documents that increased that amount to $7+ billion the claims must have been filed with a reason similar to - hijacked passenger aircraft, crashed into tower, jet fuel creating fires hot enough to collapse 2 110 story steel structures. He then compounded the amount on the claim that there were 2 occurrences (2 planes - 2 towers) and the Judge agreed. Total - $7 billion.
Mr. Silverstein and his companies have received billions of dollars for damages via fraudulent insurance claims and court documents.
Silverstein's infamous comments on the PBS video regarding the decision to "Pull" WTC 7 is a clear indication that he must have known that explosives were set prior to 9/11/01 which would facilitate controlled demolition. If he was aware that WTC 7 was planned he must have been aware that the Towers had been set also.
It might be also the reason that Mr. Silverstein decided months before 9/11 to ignore the advice that he received from the insurance broker that he hired and only insured the complex for about half of the recommended amount.
If I knew someone was going to burn my house down and didn't do anything to stop it, the insurance company wouldn't pay me. Likewise if Mr. Silverstein knew in advance that his buildings were in danger and he did nothing, why should he be able to collect ?
The New York State Insurance Department has a website that gives instructions about how to report a suspected insurance fraud perhaps if that department received enough complaints something would happen. http://www.ins.state.ny.us/fd7repoc.htm
The State of New York has elected a new Governor.
The insurance industry has kept quite because Bush got Congress to pass legislation that resulted with the Terrorism Risk Insurance Program.http://www.treas.gov/offices/domestic-finance/financial-institution/terrorism-insurance/
Before 9/11 the risk of a terrorist attack was considered so slight that is was included with the regular premium.
Ask your insurance agent.
Here's a HUGE issue that I
Here's a HUGE issue that I have been wondering about for some time now and I haven't read any thing about it yet. Silverstein collected insurance claims on WTC 1&2. Silverstein was one of many owners of WTC 7. WAS WTC 7 covered by insurance for Silverstein? If not, why?? He took out insurance on two other buildings. Why the hell wouldn't you want to insure WTC7 considering its close proximity to these other two insured buildings. It defies logic as an investor to not insure WTC 7.
IF WTC7 was insured by Silverstein, did he also collect money on it? If so, then he could get nailed on insurance fraud considering his statement about "pulling" the building. If he has not collected insurance on that building then why the hell not? Would it be because of the risk of getting nailed for fraud considering his "pull-it" remarks?
Please give feedback on this folks. This seems like another angle that could be used to nail this piece of shit.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
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pretty sure it was the whole complex...
the entire "WTC" site.
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Whitey, I'm glad that you asked. As I see it ...
The Port of Authority of New York & New Jersey owned WTC 1 through WTC 6 and the land underneath WTC 7. There are a few entities involved with the ownership.
Here is a link with a great deal more information.
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=7worldtradecenter-newyorkcity-ny-usa.
The Emporis website used to have an entire page devoted to Larry Silverstein but apparently it is no longer there. I am glad that I saved the one I found when I was going through that site.
Below is what they had to say about Mr. Larry A Silverstein.
"Larry A. Silverstein is a real estate developer in New York City and was appointed a director of Westfield America in May 1997. Since 1979, Mr. Silverstein has been President of Silverstein Properties, Inc., a Manhattan-based real estate investment and development firm which owns interests in and operates over 10 million square feet of office space.
Larry Silverstein purchased a $3.2 billion, 99-year lease of the World Trade Center in July 2001, along with the above mentioned partner Westfield America for the shopping parts. Silverstein took control of the 10-million-square-foot trophy office complex just seven weeks before it was destroyed by terrorist attacks.
The veteran developer also owned the collapsed 7 World Trade Center, a 2-million-square-foot, 47-story office building adjacent to the complex erected by the bi-state agency Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. In the meanwhile the new 7 World Trade Center building is under construction. "
At this point in time I have not been able to determine the insurance carrier for WTC 7 nor have I been able to locate any Court activity for WTC 7. I would love to find out what kind of insurance claim he filed for the building he mentioned "pull" as much as you would.
The copy of the WTC 7 page that I saved indicates:
"The building collapsed during the terrorist attack on the WTC in September 2001, having been structurally weakened by the destruction of the nearby WTC towers. "
Please note the lack of mention of fire.
I haven't done a full comparison of the pages that I saved on November 14, 2006 and their updates.
I hope you're still checking
I hope you're still checking this thread. Do you possibly have the URL for the webpage you backed up so I can try to locate it on the internet archive (I wonder if the CIA has any influence over that site...). To the best of my recollection, every mention of Silverstein's insurance claims indicates that it was specifically for the twin towers and not WTC 7. This issue needs to be added to a list of burning questions that need to be looked into due to the implications of their answers.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN!
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
Whitey, yes I am still
checking this thread. I hope you are also.
I had listed the link in my initial reply just prior to what I pasted from the original.
I am sorry that I don't know how to check if pages are archived.
'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe...'
Remember, Silverstein's remarks look like they were intended to show that the decision to 'pull' building 7 was necessarily connected to its being on fire. No fires, no 'pull' decision, he could argue that he's still covered, no fraud was committed. In the process, he dropped a clue to what a massive fraud the entirety of the 9/11 events were--but by golly, he's at least covered himself where insurance for building 7 is concerned (unless someone can show he personally committed arson there to create a pretext to 'pull').
The insurance industries
The insurance industries probably paid for it with the money they stole during all the insider trading that was going on at the time of the attacks.
Yes, there would have to have been some payback
somewhere. And underwriters would have to be bought off as well. Great point to bring this up. On the one hand, the insurance angle is a reason to believe the government story, because surely the insurance companies wouldn't pay bad claims. But there is too much to disbelieve about the government story, so the insurance companies must be somehow complicity in the coverup. It would be interesting to read the court files in these cases to see what stipulations were made by who.
The same with the airlines -- they would have to be bought off.
Another question I would ask
is whether it matters under the insurance contracts who the perpetrator of the terrorist act is. If you are going to have to pay out even if it turns out it was done by the U.S. government or whoever other than Al Qaeda, why go out on a limb by questioning the official story. Same for the demolitions -- if you are going to have to pay whether the buildings were brought down by airplane and fires or by someting extra, it is still a terrorist act and you have to pay. What is the corporation's incentive to fight the government on this, where fighting the government could result in expensive retaliation, even if going along didn't get you some extra payoff.
So they fought what they could - whether there were one or two terrorist acts, and won by getting the court to say it was one act of terrorism.
Does this make sense? I'm just thinking out loud and do not know much about big insurance.
The definition of a "Terrorist Act" did not exist until..
.... it was defined in the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act of 2002.
"In this title, the following definitions shall apply:
(1) ACT OF TERRORISM-
(A) CERTIFICATION- The term `act of terrorism' means any act that is certified by the Secretary, in concurrence with the Secretary of State, and the Attorney General of the United States--
(i) to be an act of terrorism;
(ii) to be a violent act or an act that is dangerous to--
(I) human life;
(II) property; or
(III) infrastructure;
(iii) to have resulted in damage within the United States, or outside of the United States in the case of--
(I) an air carrier or vessel described in paragraph (5)(B); or
(II) the premises of a United States mission; and
(iv) to have been committed by an individual or individuals acting on behalf of any foreign person or foreign interest, as part of an effort to coerce the civilian population of the United States or to influence the policy or affect the conduct of the United States Government by coercion."
There is also a part that discusses treatment of the assets of the terrorists which in reality will never happen, such as Ken Lay's death while on appeal for his Enron Convictions. Since he was appealing his convictions all of the millions that he was ordered to pay were dismissed when the case was thrown out due to his death. How convenient. His family did not have to pay it.
Thanks for your interest.
Nope - they are getting the money from the .....
,,the premiums that they get to collect from the new "Terrorism Risk Insurance" policies that resulted from the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act passed into law in 2002. H.R. 2926.
And they will get it year after year, after year, etc. The never-ending payoff.
They probably had that law made for Silverstein
The terrorism risk law was probably made with consultation from Silverstein. That would not suprise Me at all.
Whitman and Paitake - Partners in the 9-11 Crime
Here is an article that shows just how deep the rabbit hole goes. Whitman and Pataki participated in the 9-11 cover-up and all the murder associated with that day and these days following.
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http://divinelotus.freehostia.com/WordPress/2006/11/16/criminial-offense...
Criminial Offense: Removal Of Forensic Evidence on 9/11
You have to wonder. Why didn’t NYC investigate the forensics of 9/11? Why didn’t Rudy Giuliani forbid the removal of materials from Ground Zero and do his own investigation? Why? Because he couldn’t. The WTC was under the jurisdiction of the Port Authority.
The Port Authority is a governmental body appointed by the Govenor of NY, Govenor Pataki, and Govenor of NJ, Govenor Christie Todd Whitman (then after 9-11 became EPA Director, Christie Todd Whitman). This means that the Federal Government removed critical forensic evidence from WTC with the blessing of both Pataki and Whitman.
About Whitman from Wikipedia:
Whitman is a descendant of two powerful New Jersey political families, the Todds and the Schleys. She is married to John R. Whitman, a prominent private equity investor and they have two children who went to private boarding school in Connecticut. She is the granddaughter-in-law of former Governor of New York Charles S. Whitman. She retains her maiden name of Todd in part to continue the connection with Republican voters. Whitman is related by marriage to the Bush family; her brother, Webster B. Todd, married Sheila O’Keefe, the stepdaughter of James Wear Walker, whose sister Dorothy Walker Bush was the mother of George H.W. Bush and grandmother of George W. Bush.
About Pataki from Wikipedia:
Pataki’s New York City office had moved out of the World Trade Center in the months before the September 11, 2001 attacks to new offices on Third Avenue.
Now, you’re telling me that Govenor Whitman is married into the Bush family, that Govenor Pataki just conveniently moved his offices out of the World Trade Center months before the attack, and both of their approval was required to remove forensic evidence from the scene that could have given us 100% positive identity to the perpetrators?
Forget all of the conspiracy theory investigations… investigate the two govenors that basically decided “we don’t need forensics.” Bring them to court. Then we’ll get to the truth. It looks like an ideal situation. You don’t have to worry about covering up a local police investigation. You don’t have to “buy” an entire forensics team. You don’t have to have a ton of witnesses who are told to keep quiet. Nope. Just two republican hopefuls with ties to the administration.
Sounds like the perfect setup. Wish I had thought of it first.
Blessings from Dachsie in Austin.
Dachsie - thanks for the info ..
... Did you know that Thomas Kean, co-chair of the 9/11 Commission was also an ex-governor of New Jersey ? And yes he was also a Republican.
As long as I have your attention I might as well pass on some more trivia. His son, Tom Kean, Jr. was the Republican candidate for the Senator from NJ last election using ads that he was running as an "Independent Reformer". What a crock !
Fortunately he didn't win and his campaign office never even answered my emails about the faulty 9/11 report his father signed. I wonder why ?
dude, your almost there,
dude, your almost there, your almost witty and funny. just a few more bad jokes and you'll be there.
dude, dude dude dude dude
dude, dude dude dude dude dude. please find a hobby and some friends(maybe a job and girlfriend as well?), its utterly pathetic that you feel the need to come to a site whos ideas you hate. thats no joke, it really is quite sad and speaks to how lonely and pathetic your life must be.
Hey Sham
you got a really groovy idea about the 911 political party, but just consider a caucus at first. A caucus would fund canidates ready to open an investigation into the mass murder of 3000 US citizens, no matter what party the canidate was affiliated with. But thanks for the interest and assistance in moving the Truth forward.
twoofer? really? thats the
twoofer? really? thats the best you can do? i guess not everyone can be original huh? so tired.........
This thread seems to freak them out.
It's always worth noticing where the trolls congregate -- it's usually when an idea is especially threatening to the 9/11 Deceit Movement status quo.
What's interesting is that
What's interesting is that concern for the environmental and health issues after 9/11 is not necessarily premised on a belief that the official story is not true.
This thread actually has nothing to do with what these guys called "twoof," other than that it is another lie related to 9/11 and shows the lack of care elites have for average people.
It is uncontroverted that Whitman lied, that people are very sick, and that they are having to fight for services and compensation. Everyone should be concerned about this , whether or not you think that 9/11 was an inside job.
I read someone at 911 Blogger saying that the no-plane and space beam arguments were hurting these people by making it less likely they would be helped. It was a pretty outrageous argument -- directly accusing people like me that want to consider these arguments, saying we are killing these people. That is an illogical argument and I am glad it is not being invoked on this thread.
True, but a little more complicated.
FR/affected resident illness may be quite threatening to the official story in that it leads directly to an acknowledgment of the dust -- how very fine it was, how much of it there was, that it included human remains, and so forth. Obviously, this is a MAJOR weakness in the official explanation of the WTC destruction -- no plausible mechanism for pulverization has been suggested other than explosives, and explosives is a place they do not want the public imagination to go.
How many...
1000's of people are sick and dying because this administration was criminally negligent?
"They would never do such a thing as murder 2,973+ people."
I think that's an invalid argument. Don't you?
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
BTW...
Casseia... I wasn't correcting you... just showing you another example of how the environmental disaster may lead people to "a place they do not want the public imagination to go."
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
very good point, casseia
I hadn't thought of that.
big amount!!!
yeah...since the answer would be a big amount...there's NO way it could of happened.
I mean, seriously, a big amount? That's insane! Now I believe the governments story! They could of never used a "big" amount!
#?
yep, the 'would have needed such a big amount' argument is just the most stupid one ever.
on the one hand, it didnt even take a firecracker to bring them down, but with explosives it would have needed huge amounts, hence is unrealistic.
it doesnt take a genious to figure out something is not quite right about that statement.
Excellent point; I make it
Excellent point; I make it myself when the opportunity presents.
The particles in question are micro particles--something that would not be produced in a pancake collapse, at least not in any significant quantity. These particles travelled throughout the city, hell, just look at any pictures of the clouds--that is not smoke, people. That is pulversized concrete--AND insulation, and god knows what else.
Pushing for an explanation of how the micro particles were made will box them in a corner-- you can also use it as a "safe" way to begin discussing CD with family and friends:
"Remember the those fine, dangerous particles in the EPA report? How do you think those were made?"
heh...
notice how they both decided to post all together all of a sudden.
CHF and Mr. Blackslash! The two remaining government apologists on this site! Look how angry they are that they are the only ones left! They resort to childish name calling! Poor guys! I feel kinda bad for em! awww :(
im sorry, i cant see the
im sorry, i cant see the rest of your post as its been hidden. did you find a hobby or some friends yet? its so sad to see you wasting so much time here, its pretty clear that your life is very empty. do you even have a job?
Yeah, he's paid by the
Yeah, he's paid by the government to call us hurtful names like "twoofers". That word just shows his intelligence!
Clearly Anon you can go help build the pipeline in Afghanistan
Therefore check out the spread of "democracy" there.
Or you can ask Prick Cheney what the big meeting was all about back at the turn of 2000, that included Enron and other various Oil execs who were there. Do you supposed they discussed how they could go about speeding up the Project for a New American Century? I bet He could enlighten you on how 9/11 WAS an inside job.
Actually...
Self proclaimed "debunkers"/pro war/neocon lovers/anti "twoofers" DONT DARE even go near the air quality health issues, because they know 9/11 activists are the ONLY ones who have not forgotten the victims AND the victims still suffering.
I just...
Got off the phone with John Feal. He was telling me about the $1B fund, etc... and how he thinks Christie should be imprisoned for murder.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
He also told me about...
This...
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
This made me cry...
As I said, I just got off the phone with John Feal. I asked that he write something to post here. This is what he sent me.
Thank you John. You are way too kind.
To whom it may concern............First I like to wish you all the warmest holiday greetings,and can only hope and pray that my fellow 9/11 responders find peace and happiness during this the season. I also wish to thank Jon Gold on his more than accurate story. I know I speak for the dozens and dozens of responders that I have helped, when I say thank you. Mr Gold has set the example and bar high for others to follow, and I implore others to follow this man and his dedication and compassion in telling our story. We at the FealGood Foundation, and all 9/11 responders, need more people like Jon Gold to join us, stand beside us, and fight for us, so no more 9/11 responders, heroes,and the innocent people of Manhattan have to suffer anymore. The lies, corruption,denial, and very bad politics has caused human life to suffer and we must show our government we will not sit down, lay down and shut up anymore. Let Mr Gold and the few others who have been there from the beginning, guide, and support us all while we fight for justice, compensation, treatment, compassion and most of all respect. Any man who has done what this man has done, is a friend, and most of all a hero and someone we can all learn something from. I wish you all Merry Christmas, happy holiday's and god bless.
John Feal
9/11 Responder/advocate/founder - President of the FealGood Foundation
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
The Fealgood Foundation Christmas Party
Date: Sunday December 17
Where: The Dirty Martini
293 Portion Road Ronkonkoma
631-471-0636
When: 4PM – 8PM
Free Buffet
All attendees must bring a wrapped gift for a 9/11 responders’ child for the holidays (ages 2 through 14). Donations will also be accepted for the children.
Contact Ann Marie Bauman @ 631-884-1604 for more information.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
Well thank you Andrew...
However... I believe elements of our Government murdered 2,973+ people. What's wrong with my "alternative view?"
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
Craig, David, and Rebecca
These people are the salt of the earth. Kind, compassionate, and troubled like many of us. Troubled by the blind indifference our country seems to have for the plight of the 9-11 first responders. Their patience with the situation is growing thin and I dont blame them. Its time for some real action on a part of the government and more importantly the people to get the first responders the care they deserve.
I would like to put in a quick shameless plug for my student organization here in good ole Pittsburg, KS. We are the Constitutional Freedom Society and we raised the money to bring Craig, David, and Rebecca Cerese to our town as well as Kansas City to discuss 9-11 health issues. In addition to bringing them out here we helped make some initial donations to their advocacy group. The organization they are planning right now will be called 911Care.....unless they change it. Look for it around the beginning of the New Year.
My point is, that if a student organization with informed members of the student population and community at large, can make even a small difference in the fight for agknowledgement of the plight of the 9-11 first responders as we dod sucessfully, why can't this serve as a model for other progressive minded students and student groups? Our university is in a "liberal democratic" holdout of southeast Kansas and has only around 5,000 students. But the awareness we are spreading here has to catch on in other places, I am working daily to make this happen. I appeal to everyone else to help me any way you can.
Thank you to everyone who advocates truth and non violence. Spread the word to all students and others about the need to well....stick your neck out there, and stand up for your beliefs!! Lets usher in a new paradigm.
Thank you...
For getting that together. They need to be heard.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
I've recently...
Been added to an email list FULL of first responders. I had no idea, but when I found out, I was floored.
Here is the email I sent to everyone.
I didn't realize this was a list of first responders.
First and foremost, I would like to say thank you. If I could, I would shake the hands of each and every one of you. There have been many an hour I have shed a tear for you, and the friends you've lost. I have dedicated my life to two things. Holding those responsible for the atrocities accountable for their crimes, and helping the first responders who are sick and dying as a result of the 9/11 attacks. I've written quite a few articles about your "dilemma." I have not contributed to the level that people like Jenna Orkin have, but I've been there.
Again, from the bottom of my heart, thank you.
My Sincerest Regards,
Jon Gold
I have to admit, I'm still floored. The best analogy I could come up with to describe it is like gaining access to all of your favorite movie stars, sports stars, music stars, and so on.
"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."
Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member
A question for everybody...
As you know, dz plans to set up donations for first responders.
Currently, 911Blogger.com has $1170 donated towards Ad Fund Raising.
First, let me say thank you to everyone that's donated.
My question is... would those who donated towards ads mind if that money went towards first responders instead?
The Time For Debate Is Over
Sounds good
I haven't donated for ads recently, but I would "yes" some of that money should be donated to first responders asap.
And the sooner 911blogger sets up a page for donations to first responders, the better. Good job, Jon.
Thanks...
The Time For Debate Is Over
Here we go...
Make it happen.
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
w00t!!!
They got a $20 donation already!!!
MANY thanks!!!
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
w00t!
Another $25!!!
Thank you.
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
Any chance...
This could be put back on the front page?
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
Loose Change in Hustler mag
www.loosechange911.com
ahh I might have to pick one
ahh I might have to pick one of those up :D
Jon, I click that "ChipIn!" thing & nothing happens. Can I
contribute via PayPal?
911 Mysteries maker interview
http://www.iamthewitness.com/mp3/Hufschmid_Sofia_26Oct2006.mp3
For those having problems with ChipIn...
Here's the paypal link that ChipIn redirects to... It took me a while to get it. Sorry.
Click Here
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
It's 3am, I'm really angry about this and I can't sleep
This issue just went to the top of my pile until the 1st Responders and everyone else that's been affected get the help they deserve. If we can spend over $1billion a week in Iraq we sure as hell can do right by all these folks, dagnabbit!
It's my understanding that as many as 70,000 people may have been affected by this toxic 9/11 dust.
Join the January 11th Action on behalf of the 1st Responders. For details please click here and help us bring attention to this very critical issue.
The 1st Responders need our help NOW, we need to step up to this challenge.
Love is a verb, let's get busy!
I'm floored...
By the level of generosity from people. This is truly an absolute good. Thank you to everyone that's helped to get this thing started.
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
Scaramella-Berezovsky link
Scaramella-Berezovsky link to World Trade Center security firm emerges in Italian prosecutors' investigation
Mario Scaramella, the Italian interlocutor for the poisoned Alexander Litvinenko and Russian-Israeli media/mobster tycoon Boris Berezovsky, is now under investigation by prosecutors in Rome, Naples, and Bologna for international arms smuggling, divulging official judicial secrets, conspiracy, international trafficking in radioactive materials, and the dumping of hazardous waste through unauthorized third parties.
According to our well-placed source, Ray Steffans (aka diStefano of New Jersey), Jewish mobster Gideon Chern, and Eddie Baker of Vanguard Petroleum met in Houston in September 1983 to discuss, among other items, funding for Kroll. In December 1977, Bernard Taubenfeld, Gideon Chern and Shalom Goldburd, officials of B'nai Torah Institute affiliate, Nutrition for Youth, were convicted of defrauding the government by submitting bills for food that was never served to poor children in the New York City summer lunch program. Chern's other organized crime activity in the 1980s reportedly had an important protector -- former US Attorney for the Southern District of New York Rudolph Giuliani. The former New York Mayor and prospective GOP presidential candidate reportedly suppressed a wealth of evidence against Chern.
Two days after the Houston meeting, a Jaguar supposedly with the body of Baker in it was found charred outside of Houston. A fire investigator later revealed that no body was found in the car at the time of the fire. Kroll, after Enron's bankruptcy, purchased Zolfo-Cooper, and thus owned Zolfo-Cooper's Steven Cooper, the attorney appointed by New York bankruptcy Judge Arthur Gonzalez to run Enron in bankruptcy. In July 2004, Marsh-McLennan bought Kroll and Associates. Marsh-McLennan is run by Jeffrey Greenberg, son of Maurice (Hank) Greenberg of AIG. Funny, since Chase and Citibank notes from Kenneth Lay/Enron were purchased in May 2001 by AIG and the MacArthur Foundation.
Kroll was responsible for the security of the World Trade Center on 9/11, The firm had hired FBI top counter-terrorism agent John O'Neill as director of World Trade Center security upon his retirement from the FBI. O'Neill died in the 9/11 attacks. Kroll also markets Identity Theft Shield, the first time Kroll has offered its services to individuals as opposed to governments and companies. As of June 30, 2006, Kroll had amassed over 560,000 customers for its Identity Theft Shield program.
The connections now discovered by Italian and Russian investigators between the Russian-Israeli-Italian-British-US private intelligence network of former intelligence agents and billionaire mobsters suggest that the "serious crimes" committed may be more than the poisoning of Litvinenko and others with radioactive materials. The investigators are wise to pursue the links to U.S. security firms and former CIA personnel involved in pre-9/11 protection functions. The FBI cannot or will not investigate the actual perpetrators of 9/11. However, the Italian and Russian law enforcement professionals are beginning to get very close. It is a shame that American law enforcement is not interested in pursuing real leads in the biggest crime in American history.
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1601.shtml
OT
http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2007/jan/05/taliban-leader-says-he-has-not-s...
PESHAWAR, Pakistan — In what appears to be the first exchange with a journalist since going into hiding five years ago, the Taliban leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, said that he had not seen al-Qaida's chief, Osama bin Laden, in five years
[...]
Come on guys, open your
Come on guys, open your walets.
We need a new rule here. You can't make attacks on Glen Beck (who is a $#%*) until you give.
Michael Wolsey Interviews 9/11 First Responder John Feal
Audio
Click Here
The 9-11 Dust (Part III) - In this the 3rd of our series on the 9-11 Dust, Visibility 9-11 welcomes to the program John Feal, president of the Feal Good Foundation. One week after September 11th, Christie Todd Whitman stated that, "Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink.", even as the EPA had information to the contrary. In fact, the 9-11 dust was extremely caustic and in August of 2003, the EPA issued a reportshowing the changes the Bush administration made to the initial cautionary statements which were originally meant to warn the public of the dangers in the dust. These warnings were changed to reassurances and the public never heard the truth. These lies have resulted in thousands of people getting sick from breathing the toxic dust, and now, over 5 years later, they are dying. If you think our own government isn't capable of deliberately killing its' own citizens, think again.
Soon after 9/11, our guest John Feal (a US Army veteran) started experiencing serious respiratory problems, a condition they now call "The World Trade Center Cough." He spent two months in the hospital while he battled with a host of health problems. Because of an arbitrary exclusion in the law, Feal, like many search and rescue workers who were injured during a two-week window at Ground Zero did not qualify for the 9/11 relief fund. Like thousands of others, John risked his own life to save others, but when he became sick and injured, he was abandoned and forgotten.
Since 2003, John has acted as a leading advocate for 9/11 heroes who where denied both the benefits promised by the federal, state, local governmental and the charitable aid collected on their behalf. John is also a former board member of Unsung Heroes Helping Heroes, a not-for-profit raising awareness of the plight of 9/11 responders. In addition to assisting 9/11 workers as a whole, John has been active helping Ground Zero workers on an individual basis with administrative issues and by helping first responders get media coverage.
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
Doesn't this...
Make you feel good? I don't know about you guys, but it does me good to see this on the front page.
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
Trailer...
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
I just had an hour long conversation on the telephone with...
Mike McCormick.
Wow. He told me about how he lost his boots on "the pile" from the heat. He told me about how he was an expert in other plane crashes. He told me he went to the compensation fund with a letter from Bush, Pataki, and something else (I forget), and they denied him a claim. He told me about firefighters who have been threatened not to speak for fear of losing their pensions.
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
I showed this to John Feal...
He said, "thats the truth."
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
Lying sack o'...
Thanks to FrankV
Katie Couric Interviews Christie Todd Whitman
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
Thank you 911truth.org and Michael Wolsey...
For including this in your most recent post.
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
First Responder Fund Drive Hits $1000!!!
If you haven't given yet, and you're in a position to do so, please do. Thanks.
Donate
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
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w00t!!!
Just got a $300 donation!!! Thank you to you know who you are.
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
I just gave $50 to the Gear Up Foundation via PayPal.
I just gave $50 to the Gear Up Foundation via PayPal. Can you add that to the total?
We must be the change we wish to see in the world. M Gandhi