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Israel - By Paul Thompson
Transcribed From "The Terror Timeline" - Chapter 14
Jon Gold
10/30/2005
[Note from George Washington: Don't you dare call this post anti-semitic. If you think 9/11 truthers are anti-semitic, read this.]
Earlier today, I had a thought. "Where is the Israeli 9/11 Truth Movement"? You would think the people of Israel are aware of the allegations towards their Government regarding 9/11. Aren't they curious as to why? After that thought, I, myself, wanted to see everything regarding Israel and 9/11. Aside from the "Dancing Israelis". So, I picked up Paul's book. I'm posting this so everyone has a clear understanding as to why Israel and 9/11 are often mentioned in the same breath.
Please remember that Israel is a country, and Judaism is a religion. If Israel had something to do with 9/11, that DOES NOT mean you blame ALL jews....We don't agree with the actions of our Government. I'm sure if the truth were told, the Israelis would not agree with the actions of theirs. This posting is NOT meant to be anti-semitic. I am Jewish, and respect the religion completely.
All of this is available online at www.cooperativeresearch.org , and since this book was published, there have been several updates in regards to Israel.
Israel
There is a large amount of evidence that fundamentalist Muslims played important roles in the 9/11 attacks, such as the many warnings and examples of foreknowledge coming out of Afghanistan. The U.S. and Israel have been al-Qaeda's prime targets. Indeed, U.S. support of Israel is a primary reason al-Qaeda purports to have targeted the U.S. So any theories indicating an active Israeli role in 9/11 seem utterly preposterous.
Yet there may be some connection between Israel and 9/11. Multiple reports and U.S. government documents have indicated that, at a minimum, in the months before and after 9/11, a peculiar group of Israelis were living in cities and towns across the U.S. Posing as art students, these individuals were observed conducting surveillance of multiple federal buildings in the U.S., and seeking contacts with agents from multiple federal agencies, including the DEA and FBI. Many of the "students" were active or former Israeli military personnel with intelligence expertise. At least some of these "students" lived down the street from hijacker Mohammed Atta and three of his associates in Florida prior to 9/11. More than 100 of these "students" were deported prior to 9/11, and up to 60 were deported afterward. Although the U.S. government has consistently maintained that these individuals were deported for routine visa violations, internal documents leaked to the press indicate that at least some in the government suspected the students were part of an Israeli spy ring. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ]
The most common theory offered to explain this story is that the spies were assisting the U.S.'s counter-terrorism efforts, and that they actually warned the U.S. of the pending attack based on the intelligence they obtained, including names of some of the hijackers, in the weeks prior to 9/11.
Another theory is that the spies were in the U.S. for entirely different purposes, wholly unrelated to 9/11. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ] Most controversially, some suggest that Israel knew about the 9/11 attacks but failed to warn the U.S., or even that Israel itself was behind the attacks. [ REUTERS, 9/11/03; NEW JERSEY STAR-LEDGER, 12/29/03 ]
Although some news outlets have reported on this alleged Israeli "art student spy ring," such stories have generally failed to garner front-page coverage. The case of one Israeli spy in the U.S., Jonathan Pollard, probably generated more news coverage when he was arrested about 15 years earlier than the news coverage hundreds of "art student" spies combined have generated. Fox News gave into pressure and pulled its ground-breaking story on the spy ring from its website, and anonymous U.S. officials have warned that to speak of the topic could endanger their careers.
The actions of the Mossad, Israel's spy agency, are shrouded in secrecy and often hard to fathom. Ephraim Halevy, head of the Mossad at the time of 9/11, claims, "Not one big success of the Mossad has ever been made public." [ CBS NEWS, 2/8/03 ] As with other issues related to 9/11, the purpose of this book is not to theorize, or speculate, but to compile the facts as they are known to date, based on what has been reported on this issue. The "art student spy ring" story remains one of the most baffling of the many 9/11 mysteries.
January 2000: Israeli Spy Ring Begins Penetrating US
A DEA government document later leaked to the press [ DEA report, 6/01 ] suggests that a large Israeli spy ring starts penetrating the US from at least this time, if not earlier. This ring, which will later become popularly known as the “art student spy ring,” is later shown to have strange connections to the events of 9/11. [ Insight, 3/11/02 ]
February 6, 2000: Apparent Mossad Attempt to Infiltrate al-Qaeda Thwarted
India's largest Newsweekly reports that it appears a recent Mossad attempt to infiltrate al-Qaeda failed when undercover agents were stopped on their way to Bangladesh by Indian customs officials. These 11 men appeared to be from Afghanistan, but had Israeli passports. One expert states, “It is not unlikely for Mossad to recruit 11 Afghans in Iran and grant them Israeli citizenship to penetrate a network such as bin Laden's. They would begin by infiltrating them into an Islamic radical group in an unlikely place like Bangladesh.” [ The Week, 2/6/00 ]
April 19, 2000: Reports Indicate Israeli Organized Crime Units Dominate Ecstasy Distribution
USA Today reports that “Israeli crime groups ... dominate distribution” of Ecstasy. [USA Today, 4/19/00] The DEA also states that most of the Ecstasy sold in the US is “controlled by organized crime figures in Western Europe, Russia, and Israel .” [UPI, 10/25/01] According to DEA documents, the Israeli “art student spy ring” “has been linked to several ongoing DEA [Ecstasy] investigations in Florida, California, Texas, and New York now being closely coordinated by DEA headquarters.” [ Insight, 3/11/02 ]
December 2000-April 2001: Israeli Investigators Deported After Identifying Two Hijackers
According to later German reports, “a whole horde of Israeli counter-terror investigators, posing as students, [follow] the trails of Arab terrorists and their cells in the United States. ... In the town of Hollywood, Florida, they [identify] ... Atta and Marwan Alshehhi as possible terrorists. Agents [live] in the vicinity of the apartment of the two seemingly normal flight school students, observing them around the clock.” Supposedly, around April, the Israeli agents are discovered and deported, terminating the investigation. [ Der Spiegel, 10/1/02 ]
March 23, 2001: DEA Issues Alert to Look Out for Israeli Spies
The Office of National Drug Control Policy issues a National Security Alert describing “apparent attempts by Israeli nationals to learn about government personnel and office layouts.” This later becomes known through a leaked DEA document called “Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students at DEA Facilities.” A crackdown ensues and by June, around 120 Israelis are apprehended. More are apprehended later. [ DEA report, 6/01 ]
June 2001: DEA Draws Up Report on Israeli Spies
The DEA's Office of Security Programs prepares a 60-page internal memo on the Israeli “art student spy ring.” [ DEA report, 6/01 ] The Memo is a compilation of dozens of field reports, and was meant only for the eyes of senior officials at the Justice Department (of which the DEA is adjunct), but it is leaked to the press around December 2001. The report connects the spies to efforts to foil investigations into Israeli organized crime activity involving the importation of the drug Ecstasy. The spies also appear to be snooping on top-secret military bases. For instance, on April 30, 2001, an Air Force alert was issued from Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma City concerning “possible intelligence collection being conducted by Israeli art students.” Tinker AFB houses AWACS surveillance craft and Stealth bombers. By the time of the report, the US has “apprehended or expelled close to 120 Israeli nationals” but many remain at large. [ Le Monde, 3/5/02; Salon, 5/7/02 ] An additional 20 or so Israeli spies are apprehended between June and 9/11. [ Fox News, 12/12/01 ]
August 8-15, 2001: Israel Reportedly Warns of Major Assault on the US
At some point between these dates, Israel warns the US that an al-Qaeda attack is imminent. [ Fox News, 5/17/02 ] Reportedly, two high-ranking agents from the Mossad come to Washington and warn the FBI and CIA that from 50 to 200 terrorists have slipped into the US and are planning “a major assault on the United States.” They say indications point to a “large scale target,” and that Americans would be “very vulnerable.” They add there could be Iraqi connections to the al-Qaeda attack. [ Daily Telegraph, 9/16/01; Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01; Ottawa Citizen, 9/17/01 ] The Los Angeles Times later retracts its story after a CIA spokesperson says, “There was no such warning. Allegations that there was are complete and utter nonsense.” [ Los Angeles Times, 9/21/01 (B) ] Other newspapers do not retract it.
August 23, 2001: Mossad Reportedly Gives CIA List of Terrorist Living in US; at Least Four 9/11 Hijackers Named
According to German newspapers, the Mossad gives the CIA a list of 19 terrorists living in the US and say that they appear to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future. It is unknown if these are the 19 9/11 hijackers or if the number is a coincidence. However, four names on the list are known, and these four will be 9/11 hijackers: Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. [ Die Zeit, 10/1/02; Der Spiegel, 10/1/02; BBC, 10/2/02; Ha'aretz, 10/3/02 ] The Mossad appears to have learned about this through its “art student spy ring.” Yet apparently, this warning and list are not treated as particularly urgent by the CIA and the information is not passed on to the FBI. It is unclear whether this warning influenced the decision to add Alhazmi and Almihdhar to a terrorism watch list on this same day, and if so, why only those two. [Der Spiegel, 10/1/02] Israel has denied that there were any Mossad agents in the US. [ Ha'aretz, 10/3/02 ]
September 4, 2001: Mossad Gives Another Warning of Major, Imminent Attack
“On or around” this day, the Mossad give their “latest” warning to the US of a major, imminent attack by al-Qaeda, according to sources close to Mossad. One former Mossad agent says, “My understanding is that the warning was not specific. No target was identified. But it should have resulted in an increased state of security.” US intelligence claims this never happened. [ Sunday Mail, 9/16/01 ]
September 4, 2001: Israeli Company Moves Out of WTC
The Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. moves their North American headquarters from the 16th floor of the WTC to Norfolk, Virginia, one week before the 9/11 attacks. The Israeli government owns 49 percent of the company. [ Virginian-Pilot, 9/4/01 ] Zim announced the move and its date six months earlier. [ Virginian-Pilot, 4/3/01 ] More than 200 workers had just been moved out; about ten are still in the building making final moving arrangements on 9/11, but escape. [ Jerusalem Post, 9/13/01; Journal of Commerce, 10/18/01 ] The move leaves only one Israeli company, ClearForest, with 18 employees, in the WTC on 9/11. The four or five employees in the building at the time manage to escape. [ Jerusalem Post, 9/13/01 ] One year later, a Zim ship is impounded while attempting to ship Israeli military equipment to Iran; it is speculated that this is done with the knowledge of Israel . [ Agence France-Presse, 8/29/02 (B) ]
September 11, 2001: Two Hours Before Attacks, Israeli Company Employees Receive Warnings
Two employees of Odigo, Inc., an Israeli company, receive warnings of an imminent attack in New York City about two hours before the first plane hits the WTC. Odigo, one of the world's largest instant messaging companies, has its headquarters two blocks from the WTC. The Odigo Research and Development offices where the warnings were received are located in Herzliyya, a suburb of Tel Aviv. Israeli security and the FBI were notified immediately after the 9/11 attacks began. The two employees claim not to know who sent the warnings. “Odigo service includes a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others based on certain interests or demographics. [Alex] Diamandis [Odigo vice president of sales and marketing] said it was possible that the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message.” [ Ha'aretz, 9/26/01; Washington Post, 9/27/01 (C) ] Odigo claims the warning did not specifically mention the WTC, but the company refuses to divulge what was specified, claiming, “Providing more details would only lead to more conjecture.” [ Washington Post, 9/28/01 ] Odigo gave the FBI the Internet address of the message's sender so the name of the sender could be found. [ Deutsche Presse-Agenteur, 9/26/01 ] Two months later, it is reported that the FBI is still investigating the matter, but there have been no reports since. [ Courier Mail, 11/20/01 ]
September 11, 2001: Israeli Special-Ops Passenger Shot or Stabbed by Hijackers?
An FAA memo written on the evening of 9/11, and later leaked, suggests that a man on Flight 11 was shot and killed by a gun before the plane crashed into the WTC. The “Executive Summary,” based on information relayed by a flight attendant to the American Airlines Operation Center, stated “that a passenger located in seat 10B [Satam Al Suqami] shot and killed a passenger in seat 9B [Daniel Lewin] at 9:20 am.” (Note that since Flight 11 crashed at 8:46, the time must be a typo, probably meaning 8:20). A report in Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz on September 17 identifies Lewin as a former member of the Israel Defense Force Sayeret Matkal, Israel's most successful special-operations unit. [ UPI, 3/6/02 ] Sayeret Matkal is a deep-penetration unit that has been involved in assassinations, the theft of foreign signals-intelligence materials, and the theft and destruction of foreign nuclear weaponry. Sayeret Matkal is best known for the 1976 rescue of 106 passengers at Entebbe Airport in Uganda. [ New Yorker, 10/29/01 ] Lewin founded Akamai, a successful computer company, and his connections to Sayeret Matkal remained hidden until the gun story became known. [ Guardian, 9/15/01 ] FAA and American Airline officials later deny the gun story and suggest that Lewin was probably stabbed to death instead. [ UPI, 3/6/02; Washington Post, 3/2/02 (B) ] Officials assert that the leaked document was a “first draft,” and subsequently corrected, but declines to release the final draft, calling it “protected information.” However, an FAA official present when the memo was drafted will dispute the FAA's claim, asserting that “[t]he document was reviewed for accuracy by a number of people in the room, including myself and a couple of managers of the operations center.” [ World Net Daily, 3/7/02 ]
September 11, 2001: Five Israelis Arrested for Puzzling Behavior near WTC
Five Israelis are arrested around 4:30 pm for “puzzling behavior” related to the WTC attacks: filming the burning WTC from the roof of their company's building near Liberty State Park, New Jersey, then shouting in what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery. A neighbor spotted them and called the police and the FBI. The police tracked them down in a van with the words “Urban Moving Systems” written on the side. [ Bergen Record, 9/12/01; Ha'aretz, 9/17/01 ] One man was found with $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock, another had two passports on him, and a box cutter was found in the van. [ ABC News, 6/21/02 ] Investigators say that “[t]here are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted... It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen.” [ Bergen Record, 9/12/01 ] One of these Israelis later says, “our purpose was to document the event.” [ ABC News, 6/21/02 ] The FBI later concludes at least two are Mossad agents and that all were on a Mossad surveillance mission. The FBI interrogates them for weeks. [ Forward, 3/15/02 ] They are held on immigration violation charges, but are released 71 days later. [ ABC News, 6/21/02 ] Their names are later identified as Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari, and Yaron Shmuel. [ Forward, 3/15/02 ]
September 11, 2001: Former Israeli Prime Minister: 9/11 Very Good for Israeli-US Relations
Former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, when asked what the 9/11 attacks means for relations between the US and Israel , replies, “It's very good.” Then he edits himself: “Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy.” [ New York Times, 9/12/01 (C) ] A week later, the Village Voice states, “From national networks to small-town newspapers, the view that America's terrible taste of terrorism will finally do away with even modest calls for the restraint of Israel's military attacks on Palestinian towns has become an instant, unshakable axiom. ... Now, support for Israel in America is officially absolute, and Palestinians are cast once again as players in a global terrorist conspiracy.” [ Village Voice, 9/19/01 ]
September 14, 2001: Head of Shadowy Company Flees US
Dominick Suter, owner of the company Urban Moving Systems, flees the country to Israel . The FBI later tells ABC News, “Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.” Suter has been tied to the five Israeli agents caught filming the WTC attack. The FBI had questioned Suter around September 12, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. However, when the FBI returns a few days later, he is gone. [ Forward, 3/15/02; New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety, 12/13/01; ABC News, 6/21/02 ]
September 29-30, 2001: Suspected Mossad Agents Detained, Released
Police in the Midwest stop six men carrying suspicious documents. They possess photos and descriptions of a nuclear power plant in Florida and the Trans-Alaska pipeline, and have “box cutters and other equipment.” All six have Israeli passports. They are released the same day after their passports are shown to be valid, but before anyone interviews them. The FBI is reportedly furious about their release. [ Miami Herald, 10/3/01; Knight Ridder, 10/31/01; Times of London, 11/2/01 ] The six men may have been Mossad agents. In addition to snooping on the DEA and Islamic militants, some Mossad agents in the “art student spy ring” have been caught trying to break into military bases and other top-secret facilities (see March 23, 2001). [ Salon, 5/7/02 ]
October 16, 2001: Several Arrested for Curious Sears Tower Surveillance
Two men, Moshe Elmakias and Ron Katar, are arrested after being found with a detailed video of the Sears Tower in Chicago. In addition, a woman named Ayelet Reisler is found with them, carrying conflicting identification information. They are arrested for illegal dumping, using a van with the name Moving Systems Incorporated. The video contains extensive zoom in shots of the Sears Tower; it is not known when the video was filmed. [ Philadelphia Mercury, 10/18/01 ]
November 20, 2001: Israelis Who Videotaped WTC Attack Are Released, Deported
The five Israelis arrested on 9/11 for videotaping the WTC attack and then cheering about it (see September 11, 2001) are released and deported to Israel . Some of the men's names had appeared in a US national intelligence database, and the FBI has concluded that at least two of the men were working for the Mossad, according to ABC News. However, the FBI says that none of the Israelis had any advanced knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, and they were released as part of a deal between the US and the Israeli government. After their release, they claim to have been tortured. [ Forward, 3/15/02; ABC News, 6/21/02 ]
November 23, 2001: More Israelis Arrested in Wake of 9/11
The Washington Post reports that “[a]t least 60 young Israeli Jews have been arrested and detained around the country on immigration charges since the September 11 attacks, many of them held on US government officials' invocation of national security.” An INS official who requested anonymity says the use of the term “special interest” for Israelis being held in Cleveland, St. Louis, and other places means the case in question is “related to the investigation of September 11th.” [ Washington Post, 11/23/01 ] Most of them are deported. However, Intelligence Online claims that “For the overwhelming majority of the ring's members expelled, there was no problem at all with visas, and in the lists we only found a few minor cases of expired visas."” [ Agence France-Presse, 3/6/02 ]
December 12-15, 2001: News Reports Raises Israeli Spying Questions
Fox News reports, “Investigators within the DEA, INS, and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying ... is considered career suicide.” “A highly placed investigator says there are ‘tie-ins’ between the spy ring and 9/11. However, when asked for details, he flatly refuses to describe them, saying, ‘evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information.’ ” The report also reveals that Amdocs, an Israeli company, is recording virtually every phone call in the US and could be passing information on to the Israeli government (similar claims were first raised in 2000 [ Insight, 5/29/00 ] ). Fox News suggests that the position of this company might impede the 9/11 investigation. [ Fox News, 12/12/01 ]
December 16, 2001: Fox News Removes Controversial Story from Website, but Story Nonetheless Makes an Impact
Fox News removes its series on the “art student spy ring” from its website after only two days, in response to pressure from The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) and others. CAMERA suggests the reporter “has something, personally, about Israel . ... Maybe he's very sympathetic to the Arab side.” [ Salon, 5/7/02 ] The head of the ADL calls the report “sinister dangerous innuendo which fuels anti-Semitism.” [ Forward, 12/21/01 ] Yet there does not appear to be any substance to these personal attacks (and Forward later reverses its stance on the spy ring (see March 15, 2002)). Fox News also never makes a formal repudiation or correction about the series. The contents of the series continues to be generally ignored by the mainstream media, but it makes a big impact inside the US government: An internal DEA communiqué from December 18 mentions the Fox report by name, and warns of security breaches in telecommunications as described in the Fox report. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ]
March 5, 2002: Israeli Spies Reportedly Tracked 9/11 Hijackers
It is reported that many spies in the uncovered Israeli spy ring seemed to have been trailing the 9/11 hijackers. At the very least, they were in close proximity. For instance, five Israeli spies are intercepted in the tiny town of Hollywood, Florida, and four 9/11 hijackers are known to have spent time in Hollywood, Florida. [ Le Monde, 3/5/02; Reuters, 3/5/02; Jane's Intelligence Digest, 3/15/02 ] In one case, some Israeli spies lived at 4220 Sheridan Street, only a few hundred feet from where Mohamed Atta was living at 3389 Sheridan Street. Israeli spies appear to have been close to at least ten of the 19 9/11 hijackers. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ]
March 6, 2002: US Officials Deny Existence of Israeli Spy Ring
A Washington Post article, relying on US officials, denies the existence of any Israeli spy ring. A “wide array of US officials” supposedly deny it, and Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden says: “This seems to be an urban myth that has been circulating for months. The department has no information at this time to substantiate these widespread reports about Israeli art students involved in espionage.” [ Washington Post, 3/6/02 ] The New York Times fails to cover the story at all, even months later. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ] By mid-March, Jane's Intelligence Digest, the respected British intelligence and military analysis service, notes: “It is rather strange that the US media seems to be ignoring what may well be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks—the alleged breakup of a major Israeli espionage operation in the USA.” [ Jane's Intelligence Digest, 3/15/02 ]
March 11, 2002: Suspected Israeli Students Reportedly Served in Military
A newspaper reports that the DEA study on Israeli “art students” determined the “students” all had “recently served in the Israeli military, the majority in intelligence, electronic signal intercept, or explosive ordnance units.” [ Palm Beach Post, 3/11/02 ]
March 15, 2002: Jewish Magazine Says Israelis Spied in US on Radical Muslims
Forward, a US publication with a large Jewish audience, admits that there has been an Israeli spy ring in the US. [ Forward, 3/15/02 ] This is a reversal of their earlier stance. [ Forward, 12/21/01 ] But, “far from pointing to Israeli spying against US government and military facilities, as reported in Europe last week, the incidents in question appear to represent a case of Israelis in the United States spying on a common enemy, radical Islamic networks suspected of links to Middle East terrorism.” [ Forward, 3/15/02 ]
May 7, 2002: Explosives Detected on Illegal Israelis
A moving truck is pulled over for speeding in the middle of the night in Oak Harbor, Washington, near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station. The base is the home of the advanced electronic warfare Prowler jets. A bomb-sniffing dog detects explosives on one of the men and inside the truck. High-tech equipment is then used to confirm the presence of TNT on the gearshift and RDX plastic explosive on the steering wheel. Both men turn out to be Israeli (one with an altered passport) and in the country illegally. [ Fox News, 5/13/02 ] However, the FBI later clears the two men, saying both the dog and the tests just detected false positives from “residue left by a cigarette lighter.” [ Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 5/14/02; Jerusalem Post, 5/14/0 2] The “art student spy ring” frequently uses moving vans as cover, and has been caught spying on the most top secret military bases. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ] In a possibly related story, the Seattle FBI office that handled this case will be broken into a few weeks later, and even a room containing evidence will be penetrated. [ Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 7/29/02 ]
May 7, 2002: Sloppy Israeli Spy Ring Could Have Been Smoke Screen
Salon reports on the Israeli “art student spy ring.” All the “students” claim to have come from either Bezalel Academy or the University of Jerusalem. A look in the Bezalel database shows that not a single “art student” appears to have attended school there. There is no such thing as the University of Jerusalem. In fact, the article points out that the sheer sloppiness and brazenness of the spy operation appears to be a great mystery, especially since the Mossad is renowned as one of the best spy agencies in the world. One government source suggests a theory to Salon that the “art students” were actually a smoke screen. They were meant to be caught and connected to DEA surveillance so that a smaller number of spies also posing as art students could complete other missions. One such mission could have been the monitoring of al-Qaeda operatives. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ] Shortly afterwards, a major Israeli newspaper publishes a story about the spy ring, but does not come to any conclusions. [ Ha'aretz, 5/14/02 ]
November 2002: Saudi Interior Minister Blames Jews for 9/11 Attacks
Saudi Interior Minister Prince Nayef blames Zionists and Jews for the 9/11 attacks. He tells journalists, “Who has benefited from September 11 attacks? I think [the Jews] were the protagonists of such attacks.” Nayef is in charge of the Saudi investigation into the attacks, and some US congresspeople respond to the comments by questioning how strongly Saudi Arabia is investigating the involvement of the 15 Saudi 9/11 hijackers. [ Associated Press, 12/5/02 ]
May 2004: More Israelis Are Arrested in Suspicious Circumstances, Again Traveling in Moving Vans
On May 9, two Israelis are arrested after a high-speed chase in Tennessee. They are found with false documents. [ WYCB, 5/9/04 ] On May 27, two others are arrested after trying to enter an Atlanta military base. Explosives are possibly discovered in their van. [ Kings Bay Periscope, 5/27/04 ]
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I've transcribed quite a few chapters in my day. I hate it. However, you really learn the stuff when you do it.
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Jon, How Do you
find the links in http://www.cooperativeresearch.org? Search for Israel? Mossad? Or several different searches?
Try this...
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_ti...
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Thanks
that's helpful.
All you need do...
Is click on the Complete 9/11 Timeline, and that has different areas of research... Israel, Flight 77, etc...
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WOW! You've Spent LOTS of Time Researching Israel !!
You have no idea what I've researched...
In your wildest dreams, you couldn't begin to imagine what I've researched.
For instance, who within the United States supports Israel more than anybody else?
It's not the Jews. It's the Southern Baptists, Christians, Catholics, etc... who believe Israel needs to be "fruitful and multiply" in order for Jesus to return.
Did you know that there are Christian Zionists as well as Jewish ones?
I am not a "Jew Hater". I'm not a "Nigger Hater". I'm not a "Pollock Hater". I'm not a "Spic Hater". I'm not a "Chink Hater".
You know who I hate? Whoever was responsible for the murder of 2973+ on 9/11. That's who I hate.
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dont take it personally,
dont take it personally, Shaloms job is to go on message boards and shill for mother Israel while calling anyone who dares to expose the crimes of that country and its intelligence agencies a Nazi or an anti-semite.
here is what Shalom does for a living.
Israel backed by army of cyber-soldiers
WHILE Israel fights Hezbollah with tanks and aircraft, its supporters are campaigning on the internet.
Israel’s Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists can place supportive messages.
Israel’s Foreign Ministry must avoid direct involvement with the campaign but is in contact with international Jewish and evangelical Christian groups, distributing internet information packs.
Amir Gissin, the Israeli Foreign Ministry’s public relations director, said: “The internet’s become a leading tool for news, shaping the world view of millions. Our problem is the foreign media shows Lebanese suffering, but not Israeli. We’re bypassing that filter by distributing pictures showing how northern Israelis suffer from Katyusha rocket attacks.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,174-2289232,00.html
That being said...
Even with all of this information, I'm still not completely convinced. Did Israel gain from 9/11? You bet your @ss they did. Part of the reason we are over in the Middle East is for the protection of Israel. Ray McGovern said that O.I.L. stands for oil, the protection of Israel, and the logistical placement of bases in that region. Does AIPAC have a ridiculous amount of pull with our Government? You bet your @ss they do. Especially in its' current manifestation. Does AIPAC have a ridiculous amount of pull in regards to our elections? You bet your @ss they do. Does Israel benefit from the billions of dollars we give them, and military apparatus we sell them? You bet your @ss they do. However, the Government of Israel would take an ENORMOUS risk in attacking America itself. An ENORMOUS risk. They would lose their BIGGEST ally in the long run. Unfortunately, there is anti-semitism in the world. Israel can't afford to lose its' protector. It doesn't make sense to me that Israel had something to do with it. I could be wrong. When the truth of 9/11 comes out, and it will... and if Israel had something to do with it, then EVERYBODY would hate "the jews." That's just the way it is... why would they risk such a thing?
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No dude, no one’s going to
No dude, no one’s going to hate "the Jews", there's a distinction to be made between the scumbags who use real Jews and real Jews. I'll think you'll find that the honest people in the Israeli public will lynch their "leaders", and there’ll be an outpour of real Jewish disgust at Israel’s involvement. It wasn’t Israel alone but they did play a part. Why do you think those freakshows were caught jumping up and down like Israel had just won the world cup or something? You do know what I’m talking about right?
Check this apparent interview with Ariel Sharon dude, this guy was a Nazi pig, in fact I'm going to post this as a blog;
Read this entire....
Blog.
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Also man think about it,
Also man think about it, wasn’t 9/11 a big risk for whoever was involved, Israeli or otherwise?
DZ, you didnt ban this fool
DZ, you didnt ban this fool when he repeatedly called me a Nazi for merely mentioning Israel. i told you he would be back to bring more of his hatred/slander. and wouldnt you know it, right on cue, here he is. are you going to ban him now that he has attacked Jon(and the 3 others i told you about)? this guy Shalom is too obvious, get rid of this AIPAC scum already. im begging.
Can't We Question Holocaust Deniers ???
Actually...
Tomorrow, I'll probably talk about something else. The information is here for those who choose to read it. I don't think I obsess on Israel at all.
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However...
Do you agree or disagree that Israel is central to American foreign policy regarding the Middle East?
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I would put Oil central...
Israel after that, but important due to influence of organizations like AIPAC...
O.I.L.
Oil, Israel, Logistical placement of bases in that region for future use.
"Central."
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What part of...
Please remember that Israel is a country, and Judaism is a religion. If Israel had something to do with 9/11, that DOES NOT mean you blame ALL jews....We don't agree with the actions of our Government. I'm sure if the truth were told, the Israelis would not agree with the actions of theirs.
...don't you understand?
This part...
Please remember that Israel is a country, and Judaism is a religion. If Israel had something to do with 9/11, that DOES NOT mean you blame ALL jews....We don't agree with the actions of our Government. I'm sure if the truth were told, the Israelis would not agree with the actions of theirs.
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To Jon
Well, I don't know. With regard to Jews and Mossad, Mossad was apparently 1 of 11 foreign intelligence services to warn the CIA about 9-11. People say the warnings were not very specific - but why should they have been more specific when Mossad probably knew that the CIA was MIHOP? Warn the CIA when the CIA were the people pulling this off? That's a joke.
It was interesting to me that Lewin, a James Bond 007 type, would have allowed himself to be knifed or shot by some puny terrorist types. That never made sense to me. I always thought that these Sayeret Maktal (sic?) guys were pretty well trained in self-defense. I suspect that everyone on the 3 planes that hit buildings was probably first gassed to sleep, and then a remote-control piloting module was engaged to do the admirable stunt flying required. This would be the simplest way to do it and would account for lack of pilots calling in distress signals, etc. I suspect that the phone calls from the planes was mostly theater.
Given WTC7, Silverstein would have had to have been involved, and he's Jewish. But that's not to implicate a Jewish conspiracy. Whether he was using the moving company in New York to assemble and plant the demolition charges - that's for a criminal investigation to resolve. But even if he were doing this, this does not necessarily implicate Mossad and "the Israelis", although maybe the evidence trail will lead in this direction.
It is tiring that the 911 movement seems to attract people who are really anti-semitic. But on the other hand, it is frightening how much control the Israeli right wing seems to have over Congress and the press. Certainly 911 worked to the advantage of the Likudniks. And there is a "circle the wagons" mentality even among progressive Jews built by experience from many centuries of persecution. So many Jews may believe that exposing the true perpetrators of 911 is not in their interest.
I do think that it is very important for "righteous Jews" (hey, there are righteous Gentiles, so why not?) to step up to the plate and make themselves heard. For in the long run, the right wingers in Israel and in the US are hurting Israel in the long term. I've enjoyed reading Haaretz for a more balanced picture of how Israelis feel about many issues, including their relationships with Palestinians. But read the answer-back messages and you get a wide spectrum of Israeli nuts and racists, plus the occasional thoughtful post. To some extent, the Jews in Israel are held hostage by the right-wing Messianic nuts in the settlements, many of whom now apparently control the army. A nice parallel to the right wing Christian nuts who empower the current U.S. government.
I was interested (dismayed?) to hear that Rahm Emanuel (was his father really involved in an Irgun assassination back in the 1940s?) was chairing the Democratic National Campaign Commitee and working to support and choose Democratic candidates in the primaries who were relatively pro-Iraq-war. All this suggests that the impending changeover to Democrat control of the House may have little impact.
DHS...
Reminded me of Lewin tonight. John Judge was the first one to tell me about him. I don't know what to think. Did he get caught in the middle of the operation? Was he tracking the alleged "hijackers"? I dunno. In regards to having everyone "gassed to sleep", I believe it was Stanley Hilton who originally said that. He said he had documentation to prove it. I have never seen that documentation.
Both the Democrats and the Republicans of this Government wholeheartedly, 100% support Israel. It doesn't matter who is in power. Each of them make a point to show AIPAC how supportive they are to the state of Israel.
I very much think the Government of Israel mirrors our current Government. Olmert has repeatedly asked the United States to take care of Iran. He asked the Congress not too long ago.
Meanwhile, Iran probably doesn't have any Nuclear Weapons, and if they did, it was either because the CIA gave them the plans for a bomb a while back, or AQ Khan gave them the plans. AQ Khan, who is currently living under house arrest, and dying from cancer I believe, in Pakistan.
If the Democrats take back the House and the Senate, and don't immediately call for real investigations into 9/11, the Iraq War, The Patriot Act I & II, etc... then the people will have a decision to make I think.
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Maybe Lewin isn't dead?
Maybe Lewin isn't dead? There are alot of people on those flights that have very specialized work experience, from Special-Ops to Military Tech...
Was his remains ever recovered?
I dunno...
It's one of those things that can't be answered.
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I'm still trying to understand why Atta would check a bag...
that gave away all the "hijackers", etc...
Luckily for the FBI this bag didn't make it on the flight.
That, to me, is strange.
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Maybe if you put it in all caps...
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT ISRAEL IS A COUNTRY, AND JUDAISM IS A RELIGON. IF ISRAEL HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH 911, THAT does not MEAN YOU BLAME ALL JEWS...
Or does that just look bad?
Yea...
Notice I only cap words that I want to emphasize... even though I'm sure you're only joking.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."
You're right, it's just a lark...
but you do wonder, don't you, what it's going to take to get though?
I ALWAYS feeI must start any discussion involving Israel's misbehavior with a simular parenthetical or else risk being called an anti-semite.
It's bloody ridiculous










this better make the front page
seriously,
that must have taken you like an hour and a half at least jon.
and you cant debate thompsons work.