Only 16% Think Government Telling the Truth about 9/11
According to a new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11:
"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28%
Not sure 3%"
The 16% are probably a waste of energy: if they still believe the official story, then they are unlikely to change their minds based on facts. (If you have the patience to never give up, then more power to you).
The 28% who say "mostly lying" are probably already 9/11 truthers. They may, however, simply believe that the government LET 9/11 happen on purpose, without understanding that 9/11 could not have succeeded unless elements within the government had actively ASSISTED in the attacks. So you might want to discuss some of the facts regarding the war games and the Mineta testimony, for example.
The 3% who are not sure are certainly worth reaching out to.
But I would argue that the 53% who responded that the government is "hiding something" are the best use of our time. These folks already have a little knowledge or a gut feeling that the government is hiding something, but haven't learned enough facts to understand that 9/11 was an inside job. With a little education, they will understand that what the government is hiding is that it was complicit in the crime of the century, the biggest false flag attack in history.
And this is the majority of Americans, a worthwhile group to speak with. So spending time giving the facts to someone who understands that the government is hiding something is a very effective investment.
Addressing some of the basic facts proving that the government knew of and let the attacks succeed, or the many high-level people questioning 9/11 or saying building 7 was brought down by controlled demolition might be good places to start.
The poll also suggests that it is worth starting out conversations about 9/11 by asking the same sort of question asked by the poll. That way, you can quickly identify whether someone falls into the "hiding something", "telling the truth", or "mostly lying" categories.
Note: the full text of the poll question was "When it comes to what they knew prior to September 11th, 2001, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?"
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this is kind of a big deal,
this is kind of a big deal, im sad the mostly lying number isnt higher, but still, this is progress.
compare these results to same poll from 2002
Oct. 2006 May 2002
Telling the truth 16% 21%
Hiding something 53% 65%
Mostly lying 28% 8%
Not sure 3% 6%
o_o
That's WEIRD. Can you link us to that 2002 survey?
click on the blue text in the article above
click on this text "only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth"
The article contains both sets of data.
Digg The Original Story!
Think about this...
If these figures are accurate, over the last four years "mostly lying" increased by 20 percentage points, at the expense of the other 3 categories.
Those four years were a time of virtually no coverage by the MSM. DVDs had been distributed, but certainly not in the numbers or of the quality that is happening now. Moreover, the truther community was only 8%.
From here on out, what do we have? A population of 28% truthers, many more DVDs in circulation, and better ones, and the free publicity that comes from being attacked in the MSM that most people don't trust/respect anyway.
Think about it. Our position is stronger, we are more numerous, and the momentum is totally on our side. If you were on the other side, would you feel comfortable with these stats? No, you'd be very very worried. You'd be circling your wagons and farming out hit pieces to your allies in the media. This is what is happening, and it's not working, from what I have seen in my work (well over 20 hours a week now) in the streets.
It is unraveling, and the concern now should be to preserve the integrity of our movement. Why? Because the liars are going to abandon the idiots and "join" the truthers in order to try to control the developments. Their goal will be confusion and division. They will smear truthers while pretending to be truthers themselves, and split the truth movement to make it ineffective. Remember who the real truthers are, who have been in this for the long haul and since before it was popular. Remember what we've learned at this point, before issues become obscured by the HEAVY disinfo.
Remember though, we've won a victory, a major victory by getting to this point, and truthers are pouring in to the movement, real ones not just liars. I know it's exhausting, but we have to keep it up--that's how we have made history until now, and will continue to do so into the future.
RT
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Also
keep in mind that in May 2002, LIHOP (before it had the name) hadn't really become taboo yet. MIHOP theories were barely getting off the ground - mostly just Pentagon stuff - but the censoring of the Congressional Joint Inquiry had left a lot of people suspicous. This was also pre- 911 Comission of course. I think a poll from 2003 or 2004 would be even more revealing of the recent progress.
Sucks they didn't release the damn poll then...
wow
what are u people thinking. I know the world LOVES conspiracy theories, but this is completely unpatriotic. 9/11 was no conspiracy, don't let these weirdos fool anybody
The official version is a conspiracy theory ya putz!
Do a little research before you go around parroting Bill O'Liely's crapola.
Alex jones has a note on
Alex jones has a note on prisonplanet saying a huge 9/11 story is about to break. Is this what he's talking about? Or is it something else?
let's hope it's much bigger
BIGGER
Nope, same story. Alex
Nope, same story. Alex scooped by 911blogger!!!
9/11. Twin Towers Attack -
9/11. Twin Towers Attack - New twist
On 9/16/2006
The article, below, gives a new twist to the whole 9/11 attack.
You've got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment of $124 Million
Larry Silverstein is the New York property tycoon who purchased the entire WTC complex just 6 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had EVER changed ownership.
Mr. Silverstein's first order of business as the new owner was to change the company responsible for the security of the complex. The new security company he hired was Securacom (now Stratasec). George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors, and Marvin's cousin, Wirt Walker III, was its CEO. According to public records, not only did Securacom provide electronic security for the World Trade Center, it also covered Dulles International Airport and United Airlines - two key players in the 9/11 attacks.
The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for many years to the Bush family. KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.
Now, consider: The members of a small cabal owned the WTC complex, controlled its electronic security, and also controlled the security not only for one of the airlines whose aircraft were hijacked on 9/11, but the airport from which they originated.
Another little "coincidence" -- Mr. Silversten, who made a down-payment of $124 million on this $3.2 billion complex, promptly insured it for $7 Billion. Not only that, he covered the complex against "terrorist attacks".
Following the attacks, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy ($7B), based on the two -- in Silverstein's view -- separate attacks. The insurance company, Swiss Re, paid Mr.Silverstein $4.6 Billion - a princely return on a relatively paltry investment of $124 million.
There's more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, and protected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?
The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.
The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!
In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected "terrorist" attack demolished the
buildings completely. WTC Building 7 was a part of the WTC complex, and covered under the same insurance policy. This 47-storey steel-framed structure, which was NOT struck by an aircraft, mysteriously collapsed 8 hours later that same day into its own footprint at freefall speed - exactly in the manner of the Twin Towers.
How could this have happened? Mr. Silverstein gave the world the answer when he slipped up during a PBS television interview a year later, on 9/11/2002:
"I remember getting a call from the...er...fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
As anyone who knows anything about construction can tell you, "Pull" is common industry jargon for a controlled demolition.
One thing is for sure, the decision to 'pull' WTC 7 would have delighted many people. Especially because it has been reported that thousands of sensitive files relating to some of the biggest financial scams in history - including Enron and WorldCom -- were stored in the offices of some of the building's tenants:
US Secret Service
NSA
CIA
IRS
BATF
SEC
NAIC Securities
Salomon Smith Barney
American Express Bank International Standard Chartered Bank Provident
Financial Management ITT Hartford Insurance Group Federal Home Loan Bank
The Securities and Exchange Commission has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed by the collapse of WTC 7. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom.
..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max
Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."
Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack.
Inside WTC 7 was the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran.
What a neat, complete, and fortuitous turn of events was 9/11.
Incidentally, it's worth noting that one of Lucky Larry's closest friends - a person with whom it's said he speaks almost daily by phone
- is none other than former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Which proves that it makes
Which proves that it makes no difference how many people know...we could have 90 think it MIHOP---who cares. The key is that we all dont know, what we know, ya know. Jeeez, doesnt that sound like rummy...
WTC 7
Geedub,
My friends always advise me that the collapse of WTC 7 is the best hook to create skepticism among the great unwashed American public.
Of course Americans are also supremely suceptible to the bandwagon effect, so if you can tell them that five out of six Americans do not trust Bush to be telling the truth about 9/11 you might just get some traction. Everybody wants to be on the winning team, after all. And Bush is just such a loser these days. Everyone says so.
poll and petition
This supports the petition at:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/380195330
Please sign and publicize by getting 911 websites to post the text and at least a link.
Michael
i always hate how the MSM
i always hate how the MSM frames these questions though. they always start with the assumption that the muslim hijackers were more than patsies.
Has the Tipping Point Arrived?
This is Huge.
There is big percentage of the population that is afraid to be in the minority and will blow with the prevailing wind. When they are told only 16% believe the Bush Administration on 9/11, they will be very, very open to learning about the reality of 9/11.
This poll makes me think this massive shift to 9/11 Truth has happened already, maybe or is just about to...and people are making the transition to full-blown MIHOP...
I wish this had come out on Friday, so I could hear Alex riff on it......oh wait, he has a Sunday show now....
Unfortunately,
53% still believe the Bush Co. is mostly telling the truth.....but hiding something.
If half the country thinks they are mostly telling the truth, then the Truth isn't sinking in, IMO.
Yeah, ...
....after looking at the 2002 numbers below, I've tempered my enthusiasm a bit...
Still, everyday there are more of us (Truthers), and less of them (OV supporters).
I still think the critical mass concept applies, though...9/11 Truth will soon be pervasive enough that right after that, a huge shift will occur as some people don't want to be on the "unpopular" side.
Once you go truth you never go back.
Seriously, has anyone reached the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job (to whatever degree) and then gone back to believing the Bush Administration / Congressional / FEMA / NIST / Popular Mechanics explanation -- ignoring for just a moment all of the discrepancies in those various accounts -- for what happened on 9/11?
Spencer in Salt Lake
I don't think it's possible, honestly. Once you start operating from that assumption you see so much confirmation of it in everything about the Administration's behaviour, more evidence etc.
I know the Matrix phrases are a bit cliche, but it REALLY IS like taking the red pill.
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I don't know
I think it's a bit premature to count the majority as truthers just yet. However, with the recent increase in hit-pieces and the recent south park episode, it is clear that something is baking in the subconsciousness of the collective American mind. These kind of things tend to be critical mass-phenomena, meaning that they can float under the surface for a long time before suddenly exploding.
Tell 911truth.org to highlight WTC 7 for SOUTH PARK viewers
Please tell 911truth.org to highlight a repeating video of WTC 7 collasping on the front page of their website.
This will capture many people's attention.
It is strange that, if I am not mistaken, WTC 7 was completely ignored in Wednesday's episode.
Screw 911truth.org
Screw 911truth.org. 90% of the stories they post are LAME as hell. I think we should take away their URL and give it to an organization that could actually post like ORIGINAL CONTENT and stuff...
Just think about how many possible recruits we lost from the South Park airing, when they all visited the site and found a bunch of nothing there... Look at their page now, and the complete absence of any MIHOP 9/11 stuff: South Park, South Park, Kucinich/Iran, election stuff, a Buzzflash editorial, Rice/Ground Zero air, etc. etc. DOWN WITH 9/11 TRUTH.ORG! THEY ARE NOT OUR SPOKESMAN
I disagree 100%,
I disagree 100%, 911truth.org is the most credible 911truth site on the Internet. I to didn’t like that second article they wrote about South Park, but they took that shit down fast! They’ve only got the initial fair response up now;
http://911truth.org/index.php
^ And check it out the sites had a dope facelift, looks wicked.
Edit: They’ve got that gay article by Brian Sacks still up, but still that site has done a lot of good work, don't write it off just because of that.
What does that "gay" article by Bryan Sacks mean?
What does it mean to say that an article is "gay"?
Just out of curiosity...
are you over 30? Because after riding these young guys' asses for several months over the use of the word "gay" in this context, which is, of course, highly objectionable, I've come to the conclusion that it's a generational thing. Just like many people of Gen-X and up (of which I am an older member) just don't think there's anything wrong with the word "fuck," some of these darn youngsters today just keep using the word "gay" in a pejorative, and thus offensive sense, even after the sexual politics of the situation are explained to them. So, whaddya gonna do? I don't think DBLS is a homophobe, he's just using a word in a way that seems careless and offensive to us. I actually think he's a bright guy, so maybe one of these days he'll come around. In the meanwhile, if you'd like to take on the role of semantics police here, I could definitely use a break.
gay used to mean
gay used to mean happy...stop being so sensitive...
I'm not sensitive, I'm political, damn it.
So you think it's being used in the sense of "gleeful"? Give me a f***ing break.
so insecure you have to
so insecure you have to police others adjectives...sensitive
Look, fucktard
I don't check my politics at the 9/11 door and I don't ask you to, either. And how would it make me sensitive to be sticking up for the gay people on this board, who are all over the place in 9/11 Truth, when I am myself straight?
Language is very powerful tool and you can show it the respect it deserves, or you can go on being a complete idiot.
Now fuck off.
(Apologies to dz.)
It's being used as a general pejorative
and in this sense is no more discriminating towards homosexuals than saying "this sucks" is discriminating towards black holes, fellatio or vacuum cleaners.
Do homosexuals call things "straight" then?
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breeder reaction
ive heard them call straight people breeders
insults cut in both directions , lets focus the energy and stop bickering
I think 911blogger.com can be the most credible website...
and might already be.
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WTC7
EVERY 9/11 TRUTH SITE SHOULD HAVE THIS ANIMATED GIF NEAR THE TOP, ALONG WITH AN APPROPRIATE LINK OUTLINING THE MYSTERY:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif
Contact Steering Committee & Webmaster of 9/11truth.org on WTC7
Good idea....I just contacted 911truth.org...
Please send a similar message....
Greetings,
Please include and highlight an animated gif of WTC 7 collasping on
the front page of your website for your SOUTH PARK traffic.
This will capture many people's attention.
It is strange that - if I am not mistaken - WTC 7 was completely
ignored in Wednesday's episode.
An animated gif may be found here:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif
Every 9/11 truth site should have this animated gif near the top,
along with an appropriate link outlining the mystery.
Thank you for the work you are doing. Please make use of this
suggestion to engage a certain traffic demographic that the SOUTH
PARK episode will continue to generate as the episode is repeated.
Cordially...
You mean like this?
You mean like this?
"The Unpublicized Collapse of the Third World Trade Center Tower (which was never hit by a plane, and had a completely different from WTC1/2 structural design)":
Just like that!....;-)
Yes, just like that. Thank you, Little Pipe.
Teen questioned for online Bush threats...
der Gestapo is watching everyone very, very carefully; including 14-year-old girls. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061014/ap_on_hi_te/myspace_bush_threat;_ylt...
ESPECIALLY 14-year-old girls
ESPECIALLY 14-year-old girls (and boys), in all likelyhood.
Ve need to protect ze homeland.
Ve need to be right 100% of the time. 14 year old girls need to be right only once.
HA! post of the day. or, we
HA! post of the day. or, we have to fight 14 year old girls over there so they dont fight us over here.
16% believe what?
So at best they think the partial truth is truth...I call that a probable lie.
To me, that sort of thought nearly invalidates your citizenship.
Since when has our government been truly open and honest about even the most inane things? Standard operating procedure requires overt secrecy even when it has no merit. I guess in their little world, the freedom of information act is superfluous.
More than 16% cant read or
More than 16% cant read or write english...doesnt mean they dont get a say...
NEW POP MECHANICS HIT PIECE
dang, it's been like a day now since I sent in the new Pop Mechanics 9/11 Hit Piece to 911blogger, still waiting for it to be posted...
They finally explain the mystery of WTC-7, and the matter of the Ben/Michael Chertoff connection from their first hit piece!!! (you'll see I'm being facetious.. doh!!)
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/4199607.html
That's not new
:yawn
as this crap was published as Op-ed in the NYT.
the 2nd hotlink...
the 2nd hotlink in the spiel above, "...the facts regarding the war games and the Mineta testimony", points nowhere. FYI
Scientific Poll: 84% Reject
Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story
Only 16% now believe official fable according to New York Times/CBS News poll
Truth Movement has the huge majority of opinion
How will the Bush Cabal react?
Steve Watson & Alex Jones / Prisonplanet.com | October 14 2006
A monumental new scientific opinion poll has emerged which declares that only 16% of people in America now believe the official government explanation of the September 11th 2001 terror attacks.
Alex Jones declared that the Truth movement has cause to celebrate this evening as it is now beyond any doubt that the vast majority of Americans know that the official story of 19 Saudis with box cutters is ludicrous.
The diligence of those who have worked to educate the world on 9/11 truth from day one cannot be underestimated. We are now seeing the fruits of this hard and at times extremely trying labor hit home.
We would add thought that although this is a major victory for the truth movement it does not mean that the hard work can stop.
The next step is to use the majority opinion as leverage towards officially changing the record of what happened on 9/11, forcing the mainstream media into addressing the issue, not as a quirky news item, but as a serious re-defining of the state of the nation and the world today.
We have not taken the country back yet and the cabal that has taken control of the government continues to systematically use 9/11 and the war on terror as an excuse to destroy the Constitutional foundations of law and order in America.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/141006poll.htm
this is good news. however,
this is good news. however, where is the guy who wrote the article that prisonplanet linked to getting his sources from? who are angus reid consultants? i never heard of them. wheres the link from cbs and new york times?
is this really a "scientific" poll?
infowars calls it scientific, but it's not mentioned in the source.
Results are great either way, although I'd love another one of those Zogby polls
Method
Telephone interviews with 983 American adults, conducted from Oct. 5 to Oct. 8, 2006. Margin of error is 4 per cent.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."
I wonder what methodology
I wonder what methodology was used on the 983 people to characterize the results as a whole for the country.
I'm not saying one was not applied, it's just msm polls often aren't scientific. (i.e. the CNN poll showing 90% believe inside job???)
That's why there are professional pollsters.
They figure out a methodology to make a sample accurately represent a larger population. That's the whole idea. But I'd like to know, too, because that does sound like a pretty small sample.
Polling houses admit increasing invalidity in polls
Several major polling houses have admitted increasing concern about invalidity of poll results due to law which prohibits autodialing of cell phones by pollsters. Still they support the validity of most polls as representative of the general population because they assume that cell phone owners and landline owners opinions do not differ appreciably on any of a broad range of issues. The problem should be obvious to anyone studying the issue. This phenomenon might well suggest that even 16% is likely an over-estimation of the percentage of the population that think govt is telling truth about 9-11-2001.
16% wow
Even people who dont think its an inside job and heard none of out side, Are still fools to think they arent hiding anything.
Complete Fools.
Oh really? According to the
Oh really? According to the NY Times and CBS? That's great considering 99% of their readers are extremely left-wing. Ha... I love it.
The article is quite
The article is quite misleading. If you read the poll question, it asks the respondent whether they believe that government is covering up something about the prior knowledge of terrorist activities leading up to 9/11. Of course someone, somewhere, knew something about what could happen, or perhaps knew that there was some sort of imminent threat. But, that does not mean that the government started 9/11, or let it happen on purpose; it could mean that the government simply did not get the right information to the right people. I think the analysis of the aforementioned article is just plain silly, and importantly, misleading unless you are dilligent.
Be weary of these poll numbers
We may be taking these poll results much too seriously, and letting our determination mislead our assumptions.
The number of Americans that actually picked up their phone after seeing the 1-800 number on caller ID may quite well be a minority themselves. I know that if I, after failing to take a quick glance at the caller ID, accidentally find myself in a phone survey, quickly hang up the phone.
Also, I would have to assume that the number of Americans who actually still have land-lines are quickly decreasing, furthermore swerving the validity of the results.
Furthermore, the way in which the questions were asked, as already mentioned, definitely plays a very big part in HOW one should draw conclusions from these results.
I think that 53% is much higher than what many of us perceive it to signify.
Can anyone help??
Hi to all out there...
I know this is off the subject but I watched the Loose Change 2nd Edition video last week
and I'm eager to watch more.I could not believe how much evidence was shown, i can't believe
that bush is trying to get away with what he has done, by covering everything up which you can
see that it has all been covered up- it does not take a genius to work it out.
The people who lost family, and for those who are fighting for their country deserve to know the truth!!
so if anyone could help me out with any websites, please do...
Watch "911 Press for Truth" next.
It's on google video.
911 truth hard to talk about
this site is great in that it gets people used to talking about 911 and hearing from so many others. i knew tons about 911 before i even woke up my imediate family... people think they're in the minority in questioning 911 because of the constant propoganda pounding us from the msm but polls like this show the msm prostitutes have the minority view; just the loudest and most annoying voice