Get me the media listings he mentioned, and the transcript for this...
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

I hope your following up with facts and links as always.Radical Pragmatist

Did you hear what that Nazi MFer said? He thinks that Bush should get the FBI to go after Fetzer! We are on the verge of a total full blown dictatorship in this country, and this shameless piece of filth will be right in the front of the line when it finally comes down. God I despise that big mouth phony!

No surprise.

He lies every day. or more.

cf. Al Franken

"If you had the evidence, somebody, somewhere, would take the evidence. Why don't bring the evidence over to France? Why don't you give it to the French Media, or the Canadian media, or the CBC, or BBC. Are they controlled by the American Federal Government. Are they afraid? Why don't you take it there? See what they'll do with it? Huh?"
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You can't get any legitimate news organization in the world, to put your stuff anywhere, because it's all bogus. "

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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

"but he (Fetzer) probably wasn't ready for the full frontal attack either."

Well, he should have been, and I think he was to a point. Anyone who goes on television SHOULD be fully prepared for any unexpected tactic.

Fetzer did so well and killed these fox guys time after time.

So I had a bad feeling about this one, knowing, I guess, that he's would be ambushed one way or another - since they just couldn't have him "winning" on National TV. Hed have to have a comeuppance.

I think Fetzer was caught off guard. I think O'Reilly took the offensive and set the parameters right away. He took control of the conversation, like a salesman will, through something apparently little or insignificant. Then when the dynamic is set, it's very difficult to extricate onesself. Fetzer was pummelled. I could see his breathing get short. An emotional response can set in and when the insults get too intense it can lead to paralysis. That's why I believe he should've shouted him back from out of the gate. I think they deliberately lulled him with the other appearances and then set him up.

Fetzer's miscalculation, to start was that he didn't shout over him. They might have messed with the time delay or with his mike to prevent that. He might've been tired. They might have slipped something in his drink or kept him too long waiting. they might've sent someone in the waiting room with him to distract him or set him off balance. I saw the first time he was on Hannity they messed with his earpiece.

I think the question thrown up, about the Media, was not one for which Fetzer was prepared.

One of the reasons I think this site should be open to all points of view and arguments, including the hate-monger "flag-wavers." is because we need to always have our arguments honed.

This is why no elements should be off-bounds for discussion. We can learn angles of the argument from others.

The Media issue is serious because the Media control over people's perceptions and news is meant to be invisible.

IMO, there hasn't been enough discussion of Media ownership - which is corporate, and what that means. How it' sdone. And how it's disguised.

I hope Fetzer rewards himself and does something fun and relaxing and healthy to pamper himself for the great job he's been doing and to make sure this doesn't get to his health. it got to my health and I was just watching on TV.

"When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains - however improbable - must be the truth!" - Doyle

O'Reilly can't argue against Prof. Fetzer using facts and logical reasoning, so all he can do is throw out a stream of ad hominem attacks and non sequiturs while not allowing Prof. Fetzer to get hardly a word in.

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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."--H. L. Mencken

We are like the continental Congress vs. the British empire. We are not expected to win. We just have to survive. And wait for some reinforcements to arrive.

Fetzer came out of it alive. But the American people got a chance to see how much of a POMPOUS THUG Bill O'Reilly is.

So even though it appears we lost this round, we WON.

Truth is always more powerful than lies. Truth needs no defense. Fetzer didnt need to put up a defense and he didnt. But he didnt flinch and he showed compassion.

Right now, I think a lot of Americans are wondering what the heck is going on in this country. They're not looking for beligerence. They're looking for calm voice of reason.

Fetzer needs to look "fatherly" and I think he did.

Oreilly came off as a total BELIGERENT BULLY, and really had no rebuttal to when Fetzer responded articulately to the issue of controlled media.

[dz - (removed flood comment): please do not flood the comments section with off-topic material - read the original comment here ]

She was one of the three at the Press Conference.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

please add this to our events calander, just login and create a new event, thanks

id love to tell oreilly how much i appreciate how he's helping our cause by him being himself. I think we may have just won over half the liberal audience after that performance of his.

I cant wait until we hit 50% in one of these polls.

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Olbermann is the best news anchor in the country right now. 9/11 alternative theories are not his focus, and that's ok.

Whoever it is trying to jam 9/11 conspiracy down everyone's throat over on C&L is hurting the cause. C&L is my favorite political site by far, but they don't want to become overrun by 9/11 talk. Just accept it.

And yet Prof. Ward Churchill's controversial article supported the U.S. government's fairy tale account that the 9/11 attacks were done by Arab Muslims.

So when it comes to the issue of who planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks, Bill O'Reilly is on the same side as Prof. Ward Churchill, whereas Prof. James Fetzer is not.

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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."--H. L. Mencken

My God, this O'Reilly freak is one step up from the "journalist" in V for Vendetta. Scratch that -- he's worse.

I can't believe Americans actually sit there and watch this character; it would never occur to a Canadian like myself to sit through Bill O'Reilly except under threat of torture -- in fact, watching him IS torture. Thank God our Federal government made Fox pay-only.

The Mockingbird argument by Fetzer was weak; of course spooks infest the media, but that doesn't explain why journalists everywhere recoil from 911 truth; Chomsky, ironically, explains why this is the case in his work on the subject: class interest by the owners and the weeding out of actual journalists who threaten the status quo. Of course, you can't explain such lofty concepts between commercials, hence the importance of concision in mainstream "media", another point Chomsky makes.

Had Fetzer utilized his three seconds of air time to simply explain that there were multiple hijacking "drills" utilizing drone aircraft occurring at the same time as the attacks, he could have woken millions up. As usual, he ommitted reference to the war games as though they were an irrelevent detail and not the the most mind-boggling "coincidence" of the entire affair.

I agree with both arguments -- that Fetzer came off as the gentlemen, but also that O'Reilly got the better of him. War games, war games, war games. When will they learn?

Ive never seen Billo so laid back when it comes to the truth,...he, and fox are right on the edge of spilling it, if in fact the kitchen gets to hot, hes repeating talking points and laying the groundworks of " we had him here first" if in fact the S.H.T.F...they want to be able to say they were on the ball...and were all over the story....

Give it back

I agree. He did just fine. Just getting the website out there is enough. The only thing I wish Fetzer would do is make the point that Ward Churchill has nothing to do with 9/11 Truth and belives the official nonsense.

I agree whole-heartedly. Fetzer did great all things considered. It's interesting to see how these media heavy weights try to frame the argument within previously established parameters that they have set up. For instance, O'Reilly cites a list of media sources who, according to him and like-minded organizations and individuals, are vehemently anti-Bush/Republican. This is no doubt a myth of the highest magnitude because it would seem that any media organization whose the least bit critical of the current admin would be considered heretics by those on the right. Still, this is an effective technique for those who continue to feed off of the mainstream media. To them, it would seem like a logical course of reasoning to ask why wouldn't anti Bush admin media sources not divulge the work of Scholars for 911 Truth. Fetzer handled it reasonably well by bringing up Bernstein's Rolling Stone article. However, he needn't even go that deep because the MSM has had an effective self sensorship collar around its collective neck since 911 started. Recall that the Bush classroom footage only had life on the internet until Moore shown a light onto his strange reaction. Also, pre intelligence warnings have been reported on but have never made it into the matter of agenda or talking points. Anyhow, good job Jim on getting the word out about WTC 7 and plugging the site.

Oreilly built the case that anyone who questions the government on 9/11 is equally suspect for being a terrorist. The American people arent going to buy that bs. That's McCarthyism at its worst, and it will not stand.

Fetzer answered well. We have evidence. We have scholarly support for the evidence. We have websites that lay out the evidence for people to read. We care about our fellow citizens. We care about justice.

Oreilly must have had Bush squirming. Oreilly spoke the phrase "Bush is a murderer" three or four times. Even though he was belittling the notion, he was putting it out there for people to consider.

Oreilly also belittled the "liberal" media for failing to cover 9/11, and in doing so, he may have pushed a few editors over the edge. I think the liberal crowd is close to jumping on board with us because they cant stand guys like Oreilly and Hannity.

what's going on with that, please tell us?

I found this bit interesting: http://www2.oprah.com/tows/slide/200610/20061012/slide_20061012_350_115.jhtml

He responds: There's truth, there's "truthiness," and what we're describing now is "truthy-mess." There's so much information available out there that it's hard to know what to believe. We have to figure out what the world looks like from all these different points of view. This requires skepticism, which is a great democratic virtue, but not cynicism.

Oprah: It boils down to us critically thinking and being more skeptical about what we are told in all areas.

Dr. Clark: Pay attention to who the speaker is. Be suspicious of anybody who ignores your argument in terms of disloyalty. Be aware of anybody who tries to persuade you by slogan alone. Pay attention to people who want to have a conversation with you.

Start recognizing the truth in government and media with seven ways to start thinking critically. From the show Truth in America

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She played dumb. it wasn't "truthy", it was support "Bushy". Now I am wondering about Obama.

What a sophomoric mind-fuck of a comment. How do you answer this kind of presumptuous doodie? It's vaguely analogous to those fuckwits at protests who stand on the sidewalk, sullying their pants while they say "the only reason you spoiled white kids [yeh right - he won't even look at who's there] can be out here is that your fellow Americans, the real patriots, have died for your freedom! What kind of gratitude is this! How dare you rebel against your government, or ask questions!!!"

Serious sphincter factor.

who, along with 19 flunkies, defeated our trillion dollar defenses with box-cutters. They even slammed an "airliner" into the Pentagon an hour after the towers were hit, and no military aircraft even got a glimpse of it.

BTW, O'Reilly is likely a high-level CIA mole (like Hannity & probably Colmes) planted at Fox to keep the masses dumbed-down & in a war-like mindset against our "enemies." I'm sure there are many others like them throughout the mainstream media.

With O'Reilly, it's a given, but at least he provides airtime. On today's Oprah show, not a word was uttered pertaining to alternative 9/11 theories. Not a peep. Yet the term "9/11" was used quite often.
I have to say that the leftwing media like DemocracyNow! are WORSE for their blatant censorship. O'Reilly is a loudmouthed highschool bully, but Amy Goodman and Oprah Winfrey are Gatekeepers. I'd say the latter is by far worse. And don't fall for the airtime Goodman gave to the Loosechange folks on the 5th anniversary. It was a token gesture aimed at getting 9/11 truthers off her back for awhile and to say "see? we HAVE covered the story". Yet there's never any followup. With FOX, the coverage seems consistent. Never would I have imagined me saying that left media is actually *worse* than FOX and CNN. Scary times.

You have something against guys too smart to be forced to do manual labor for their entire lives? Talk about issues...

Why should people who are given the power of dissent and questioning our government as guaranteed in the Constitution
be called anti-American?
What did James Madison have to say about government power? Here are some qoutes;

"The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse."

"A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy."

"Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations."

"Wherever there is interest and power to do wrong, wrong will generally be done."

It's not liberals and conservatives. It's corporations and tyranny. As long as Americans place the labels of individual circumstance, without regard to Constitutionality, on themselves, tyranny will reign.

I followed O'Really for years. Born Republican, voted Republican like my family my whole life, O'Really was my spokesman for all my conservative views. Then I woke up. He is scum. He is a dangerous man, as are the people in the Bush administration. Wake up. I spent weeks in tears, in a rage. I couldn't sleep for days on end thinking/contemplating...could they really do this to us? I woke up to the terrible truth/nightmare that we all must face.

I agree, this is the real war, for mindshare, 100% public relations.  Without this attention how in the world is the notion of 9/11 being a Lie going to reach all corners of the US population.

I believe the Bush Admin & the Neocons are in total damage control on the heels of the Woodward book, Foley/Hastert scandal, 655,000 dead Iraqi's (2.5% of their total population!).

We are winning... 

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Yeah most Europeans can hardly comprehend how someone like OReilly is allowed on the air.

ad hominem attacks, outright insults, blatant lies, only one of these uttered by a news anchor would get him instantly fired here. Even (just) emotions are not done.

At least here journaslists try to keep up the appearance that they are non-partisan.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Adam,

I believe your choices are too constrictive. Using the principle of Occam's Razor, I'd suggest that understanding Bill O'Reilly is really quite simple. Bill is in it for the money. He's completely devoid of a conscience, or of any concern about sincerity or the truth. The only thing that interests Bill O'Reilly is his ratings, his book sales results and his bottom line.

Thus Choice 3) Bill O'Reilly is a an over-the-top example of the American persona, i.e. someone who is grasping for every dollar and every bit of fame that he can achieve as an entertainer. And he's tapped into the motherlode of prejudice and xenophobia that categorizes millions of that awful race called 'Murricans in order to achieve his own personal success, his only real goal in all of this.

Dave,

Would one be labeled a "terra-ist" for letting Fox know that the natives can get restless?

http://tinyurl.com/y6d435

Headline: "Gunmen storm TV station, kill 11 including board chairman"

Poor Bill...

beeing a pronouncer of todays propaganda at the department of truth must be an ugly job.

Anyway, 911 truth will prevail- while you will fail.

Some facts:

Please watch 911 press for truth, as you are the one who repeately claim the truth about http://www.whatreallyhappened.com hurts the 911 victims relatives.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1016720641536424083&q=press+for...

I say: Stop this bullshitting.

The misuse of 911victims families, relatives and friends.

Especially FOX was on the front line, last time with “Sean and Hannity”1, trying to dismiss Charlie Sheens outcoming on his 911 official theory doubts, with the point:
You do harm to the relatives and friends of the 911 victims.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.

In fact, FOX news regurlarly misuse the family factor for their stand-by to the cover-up of the official conspiracy theory.

It’s quite easy to enlighten this:

How much time did FOX spend to interview the “Jersey Girls”2 and aired their questions and their doubts about the 911 white-wash commission?3

How much time did they on William Rodriguez4, just as one example for the dozens of witnesses that fateful day which did’t follow the official explanations?

Why did they cut the interview with Jeremy Glick on “The O’Reilly factor”5, after Glick came forward with his doubts about the official theory and his plea to not misuse 911 for human rights conflicting unprovoked wars6?

Did they ever show one other singular, sceptical of the 911 victims relatives or friends?

You bet.

So- don’t misuse the relatives of the victims for your mindboggling propaganda. Stop speaking in their name if you don’t let them speak for themselves.

They suffer enough sorrows and pain from their losts. Do not involve them as justification for the ongoing official cover-up.

• 1 http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/Han...ity20060323.mov
• 2 http://www.furnitureforthepeople.com/jersey.htm
• 3 http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/zelikowresign.mov
• 4 http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/Rodriguez.htm
• 5 http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/transcripts/oreillyglick.htm
• 6 http://mediamatters.org/items/200407210006

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Investigations pre 911- all stopped intentionally by superiors:

John O'Neill
http://www.rense.com/general18/neil.htm
Kenneth Williams
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0412042phoenix1.html
Coleen Rowley
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,249997,00.html
Harry Samit
http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/forewarned/fbi-warned-bosses-about-mous...
Robert Wright
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_ti...
Nancy Floyd
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/WarOnTerrorism/1000Years/2003/10/29/24...
Randy Glass
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-295

And Able Danger

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Gladio

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