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BYU and Steve Jones
I spoke with a Salt Lake City resident close to Professor Jones, who said that we should NOT write heated or nasty letters to BYU right now. He is helping to organize a campaign to help Professor Jones that will be more effective.
Please DON'T write or call BYU until I receive further guidance from him or from Steve Jones himself.
UPDATE: This reliable source tells me that Professor Jones himself removed his paper "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" from the BYU website and moved it to the Scholars website and the Journal of 9/11 Studies. Apparently, as odd as this sounds, he did this for reasons wholly unrelated to the "paid leave" issue.
This will backfire
Tactics of intimidation like this will only continue to energize the 911 truth movement. This will definetly backfire in the face of the BYU administration because 911 truthers are not lazy, not intimidated and completely dedicated to their cause. 911 truthers may show patience, but will not be idle. An attack on Professor Jones is an attack on all of us! A student walk out or mass demonstration at the administration building, in the manner of Martin Luther King and Gandhi, along with a mass email and telephone campaign would be a very effective deterrent or remedy to such intimidation methods. While we need to respect Professor Jones wishes, we also need to continue our efforts in supporting those who have spoken out. Brining attention to this situation is a very appropriate beginning until more is needed. Hit the blogs, email all activists, wtite articles and do what ever else you can think of to bring attention to Professor Jones' situation. I found a good link to some of the work he's done, email it to every one you know:
http://www.supportthetruth.com/jones.php
Well, I hope it backfires in a good way...
...because this is not good!
"BYU remains concerned that Dr. Jones' work on this topic has not been published in appropriate scientific venues," the university statement said.
I think this story will be used to discredit all his work.
F_ck!
I don't doubt the propaganda
I don't doubt the propaganda pupets will try to discredit Professor Jones. They tried it with Kevin Ryan, that backfired, they tried it with Ray McGovern, same result. Why did it backfire? because the FACTS are on the side of the 911 truth movement, the 911 truth movement is vigilant and relentless in pursuit of the truth. If they try to discredit Professor Jones' work, they'll have to discredit Newtonian physics. They won't even try that because it'll only cause people to look at the facts and discredit themselves. The only attempt they'll make is to side track the discussion away from the facts with some personal attacks. The credibility of Steven Jones' work will remain intact as long as we stick to the facts that his work is based on. Remeber, the only reason Stven Jones is being targeted, is because he is a threat they greatly fear. An example of fact based argument concerning 911:
- WTC 7 fell 100 meters in 4.5 seconds, that's a fact easily verified from any video (911 eyewitness is great for this).
- The free fall time of 100 meters for an object in a vacuum is 4.5 seconds, that's a fact easily verified from any college level physics book.
- The only way WTC 7 could have had a free fall collapse was for all the crushing of structural columns and all the pulverizing of concrete to offer no significant resistance, (and less resistance to a falling building than air reisistance has on an ordinary falling brick) OR a well controlled demolition. That is a fact.
- It is impossible that the destruction of the steel columns of wtc 7 offered no significant resistance that would allow a building to exhibit a free fall collapse. Absolute fact easily verified by material science.
- The only conclusion consistant with the laws of physics is a demolition of wtc 7. Demolition proves inside job. FACT.
Any attack on Steven Jones will not change these facts. It will only make us scream them louder. The more attention they draw to Professor Jones, The more people will be made aware of these facts.
Stick to the Facts and the Facts will Stick!
This story is starting to gain some traction...
This appears to be a stunt by BYU. Why release this on the Thursday night, going into the weekend prior to 9/11?
It appears they are going out of there way to make "an example" of Professor Jones.
I'm glad to hear that the other professors are planning an appropriate response. I hope they move quickly.
you hit it right on the
you hit it right on the head...
byu phone number
Alex Jones has posted the byu phone number and email:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/byu_places_jones_on_paid_leave.h...
I agree we should not express any criticism or anger
Remember, BYU has NOT fired Professor Jones, nor have they taken away his pay, nor have they silenced him. So we have some blessings here that we should appreciate.
So I agree we should not express any criticism or anger. However, I am going to do the following:
I have found the contact number to be:
Richard N. Williams, Associate Academic Vice President - Faculty
(801) 422-3567
I am going to call his office, give my name, citizenship, mention that I am a voter, and politely and calmly state my support for Professor Jones.
I am going to limit it to that. That will be a gentle message that cannot be misconstrued as impolite or inappropriate, IMHO.
Does anyone here agree with me that that is a reasonable action?
Yes, it is reasonable. Tell
Yes, it is reasonable. Tell them what you think.
BYU probably receives federal funds. They probably are afraid of losing those funds. I bet this scenario is repated in practically every university in the US.
Send a polite email in
Send a polite email in support of Prof. Jones
BYU is a private college.
BYU is a private college. Money from the Feds isn't an issue.
don't call BYU.
did you not just read what mr. jone's spokesman?"don't do ANYTHING RIGHT NOW". GET IT? YOUR THE TYPE OF LONE RANGER PEOPLE THAT HURT A MOVEMENT!!!
Yes I agree don't CALL. A
Yes I agree don't CALL.
A polite email is acceptable.
Hope you agree, eh..Frank.
Polite Support Is Great
I called the number, and spoke with a VERY nice administrator at BYU. As suggested, I politely mentioned that I support Professor Jones, his work, and hope that he is reinstated in his position soon.
She emphasized that he continues to be on the payroll, said she would pass along the message, and thanked me for calling.
Was it a positive exercise for all involved? Absolutely.
Well done, a great example
Well done, a great example for all. Honesty, integrity and courtesy can be a very persuasive combination.
MSNBC has TWO polls.
They've got TWO polls running that I stumbled across. You need to vote in the 2nd. THis one only has 3500 votes so far.
my password keeps failing... anyone else?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14727720/
Do you believe any 9/11 conspiracy theories?
Live Vote
Do you believe any of the conspiracy theories suggesting the U.S. government was somehow involved in 9/11?
Yes. The government has left many questions unanswered about that day.
No. These theories are absurd and disrespectful -- especially to those who lost their lives on 9/11.
I'm not sure.
Vote to see results
Live Vote
Do you believe any of the conspiracy theories suggesting the U.S. government was somehow involved in 9/11? * 37924 responses
Yes. The government has left many questions unanswered about that day.
48%
No. These theories are absurd and disrespectful -- especially to those who lost their lives on 9/11.
46%
I'm not sure.
6.5%
That's 100.5% reporting :-)
BYU poker - perhaps
What if BYU plays good poker and this is a move to relax the issues regarding Dr. Jones? When, in fact, most at BYU know that a surprise is forthcoming . . . one that could not be subject to "spin". Just another theory perhaps but this could be the case.
Found this on Raw Story - more detail about S Jones
I'm staying tuned, but...
GW, could you please clarify... are we to refrain just from heated or nasty letters or from ALL communication with the university, including polite emails and phone calls dipped in rainbows and candy sprinkles?
Just curious, since I already did send a polite piece of feedback to the president of BYU.
I would suggest
refraining from ALL communications with the university -- at least until the professor gets back to me with further guidance (hopefully today!)
Please support Professor Jones - email or call BYU
GW, I know you mean well but I really feel like you bottlenecked a needed response of support for Professor Jones on this one. You told people to hold off until you give the word? You never got back to us on this one.
Dedicated truthers know how to be polite. BYU needs to know Jones is very widely supported.
801-422-3567
Professor Jones's paper removed from the BYI website?
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
"The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed,
or is temporarily unavailable."
The Powers That Be are apparently extremely nervous...
Why Indeed?
I'd guess this is due to Dr Jones recent publication. it's here....
Regarding Dr. Jones, I am in
Regarding Dr. Jones, I am in Salt Lake City and I have sent a letter to every newspaper locally. In keeping the original post, I will refrain from contacting BYU directly at this time.
I am LDS, and I have rarely if ever crticized the Church, but I think that you should all know that it is my opinion that the final decision made in this case WILL constitute a referrendum by the LDS church on the 9/11 truth movement. I can not believe that, given the implications of this, that this decision will be made purely at the level of BYU administration. I also am trying not to be too cynical about the timing of this, given the recent meeting (last week) between President Bush and church officials.
I hope that this situation does not present me with the type of crisis of faith that will be inevitable if they sign on in endorsement and protection of the "Official religous myth" of the Neo-Con nation-state.
There is no doubt in my mind
that the Mormon church definately influinced this decision.
Honestly,
Honestly, I highly doubt this is between members of the church, and more between the church and the administration.
Losing a tax exempt status would cost the church millions..and put thier income on the record.
And dont foget, and I only know this from living in West Valley, there have been grumblings of a "New World Oder" there since the early 90s at least. I used to write them off as "those crazy Mormons" as I am Catholic.. but know I wonder...
Organizations with political influences like the LDS church would be privey to information that very few others could know.
But thats just my opinion...
Well let us hope that the
Well let us hope that the leaders of the LDS remember their own teachings and stay true.
If need be, we should be
If need be, we should be ready to confront the BYU administration with the teachings of Jesus and demand and explanation as to why the scriptures are being discarded. Will they expose themselves as modern day scribes serving modern day pharisees? Here's some relevant scripture that they so proudly claim to serve with their words and so blatantly ignore with their actions:
Matthew 5:
20) For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 7:
15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16) Ye shall know them by their fruits.
22) Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23) Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 23:
2) The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3) So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4) They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5) Everything they do is done for men to see
23) Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices–mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law–justice, mercy and faithfulness.
25) Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and selfindulgence.
27) Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
28) In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
Mark 7:
6) These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me." - Jesus
Luke 12:
1) Be in your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy." - Jesus
Sheesh. Come on, people.
Sheesh.
Come on, people. Professor Jones' work is not what BYU has a problem with, and the LDS church isn't even relevant.
His extrapolation from "we need more investigation" to "there was a conspiracy" is the problem. Sure, the evidence seems to support the need for more investigation, but that in no way supports conpiracy theories.
It's just as easy to say that the building owner planned for the building to collapse in a terrorist attack (the buildings having been targetted before), instead of toppling onto other buildings. That's altruistic, or at least damage control, and just as easily supported by the evidence.
Point is, Jones should have stopped at asking for more investigation. Extrapolation into the political conspiracy realm is what is causing the trouble. Any institution would try to corral that, since as a decorated professor, he should know better than to go off on such tangents.
Give it time. If his scientific work holds water, it will be investigated. The political nonsense needs to be jettisoned in order to get to the real truth.










Ok cool, but I say the
Ok cool, but I say the second emails need to be sent we have that up as an action item.