My gut tells me 9/11 definitely was an inside job. WTC 7 hat such thick steel beams (watch 'Painful Questions' by Eric Hufschmidt) that's it's impossible that those fires and that bit of damage from falling debris of the towers could have caused a near instantaneous, straight-downward collapse.
WTC 7 was practically built like bunker.

Check out the story in today's New York Post entitled "ONE IN 3 AMERICANS SAY U.S. AIDED 9/11"

Source:
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/one_in_3_americans_say_u_s__aide...

Nope, you promote them!

You give them a personal stake in the lie to insure secrecy.

Cincy...

Thanks for posting the NYP article. That's a pretty good percentage considering the media blackout on the 9/11 issue don't you think?

"Thanks for posting the NYP article. That's a pretty good percentage considering the media blackout on the 9/11 issue don't you think?"

Imagine the number of people who are ashamed or afraid to admit it for fear that the NSA is listening.

I am so ecstatic about moving into the Incompetence Theorists stage. Attention all honored company: redouble efforts! Onward!

Anybody see mention of the fact that the "Conspiracy Theory" regarding Flight 93 being shot down has been "debunked" because "the tapes show Norad could never have been in the position to do so."

The tapes DO NOT account for:

Flight 93 apparently starts to break up before it crashes, because debris is found very far away from the crash site. [Philadelphia Daily News, 11/15/2001] The plane is generally obliterated upon landing, except for one half-ton piece of engine found some distance away. Some reports indicate that the engine piece was found over a mile away. [Independent, 8/13/2002] The FBI reportedly acknowledges that this piece was found “a considerable distance” from the crash site. [Philadelphia Daily News, 11/15/2001] Later, the FBI will cordon off a three-mile wide area around the crash, as well as another area six to eight miles from the initial crash site. [CNN, 9/13/2001] One story calls what happened to this engine “intriguing, because the heat-seeking, air-to-air Sidewinder missiles aboard an F-16 would likely target one of the Boeing 757’s two large engines.” [Philadelphia Daily News, 11/15/2001] Smaller debris fields are also found two, three, and eight miles away from the main crash site. [Independent, 8/13/2002; Mirror, 9/13/2002] Eight miles away, local media quote residents speaking of a second plane in the area and burning debris falling from the sky. [Reuters, 9/13/2001] Residents outside Shanksville reported “discovering clothing, books, papers, and what appeared to be human remains. Some residents said they collected bags-full of items to be turned over to investigators. Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene. Workers at Indian Lake Marina said that they saw a cloud of confetti-like debris descend on the lake and nearby farms minutes after hearing the explosion...” [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/13/2001] Moments after the crash, Carol Delasko initially thinks someone had blown up a boat on Indian Lake: “It just looked like confetti raining down all over the air above the lake.” [Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 9/14/2001] Investigators say that far-off wreckage “probably was spread by the cloud created when the plane crashed and dispersed by a ten mph southeasterly wind.” [News Journal (Wilmington, DE), 9/16/2001] However, much of the wreckage is found sooner than that wind could have carried it, and not always southeast.

Sorry, but a plane crashing into the ground, would not disperse wreckage 8 miles away.

I'm so confused at this point... As Paul Thompson said, this is the 7th version we've been told.

Some of the biggest news of the day yesterday had to do with the confirmation of "inputs" or "injects" on radar screens, and the confirmation of confusion brought on by the Wargames.

Wargames which NOBODY will talk about.

I think it's Myers that said some time ago that Wargames would have help the response to the highjacking since everyone would have been ready and in position to operate... BS.

itsaputon,

Sarcasm. Sometimes it just doesn't transmit on the 'net.

;0

Both of those clips were disappointing. for one it heavily promotes the ignorance concept. we need someone to do a story on the Aptitude of the average NORAD commander/personel as well as the average FAA personel.

1.) What are the odds that a person whose vast majority of thier job involve "handling" a hijacking situation, forgets EVERYTHING when a hijacking takes place?

2.) what are the odds that this happens to more than two people?

3.) what are the odds of this same "ignorance" happening to TWO agencies FULL with people.

May I add that these people, up to this point, had to have successes in "non-hijacking" events, where they peformed adequately. YET on the most important day in the world TWO agencies FULL with comptent people could not get anything right?

LOL check this;

"The Dem Bruise Lie Style people need a sane society. They are in the SAME MINDSPACE as the RUnsfelds and PATRIOT-IDIOTS and the other US-black-n-white thinkers who think they have the truth in their pockets... the trouble is... the more one dogmatises oneslef.. in the end one actually HAS to believe once own BS... just in order to not loose face.

I can't wait for LOOSE CHANGE III ...
I heard the elves sing that they are working hard on a noplane segment and a visualization of the Marcus Icke evidence (that no-body here understands) and nobody here took care to read and grasp... instead the PROPHETS of NO-PLANE HATE, the GUARDIANS OF THE MOVEMENT have nothing but childish paroles ... and ad hominem attacks.

The fact THAT so many "normal-american-pie" arseholes HATE the NO PLANE evidence... that fact makes me certain that it is indeed true.
u2r2h | Homepage | 08.02.06 - 11:01 pm | # "

^ I thought this guy was cool, ahh well. If it turns out that this "noplanes" idea was right then I still won't feel it was a good idea to attach it to the credible proven facts like Thermate etc. Because simply, even if there where 100% certifiable proof that flying pigs actually hit the towers, I certainly wouldnÂ’t go around preaching it because the idea that 9/11 was an inside job is wild enough already. We now have proof that Thermate was used on the towers, which is still wild but at least credible and convincing, along with WTC7's collapse etc. Why promote something that sound SO wild that it could jeopardize everything for the sake of wanting "to know exactly what happened". When that chance for such questions in an actual trial where for once they might be taken seriously, can only realistically be paved way for by the certifiable facts like Thermate etc. But u2r2h who listens to elves, "I heard the elves sing" and like Nico who thinks Randi Rhodes is male, "Instead noone corrects other hangouter at Randi Rhodes today on his negligence/LIHOP spin" probably won't ever get this concept of a little known thing necessary if something to be taken seriously, called "credibility". Because their to busy polarising people, burning bridges and attacking those who once thought they (u2r2h) actually had a brain.

u2r2h, send Chomsky your "no plane" research and give him a good excuse to keep believing in "blowback".

itsaputon:

I really do hope the NSA is "listening"..... may they lean something valuable, or choke on it!

TNF:

If you're thinking of General Myers, yes I do belive he said something to that effect. This "Myers" thinks the opposite would be more likely the case on that morning.

Wargames which NOBODY will talk about.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 08.03.06 - 8:40 am | #

Hey no planes even hit the towers dude, didnÂ’t you know? Forgot those disturbing war games that can actually get a conviction, that's a "limited hang out".

All I want to know is who scheduled the Wargames, and who was in charge of them that day.

Erin: Yeah that's what I'm talkin about.

DBLS: Right ON!!!

yizzo: I'd add to that that FAA perfectly perform the never done before task of grouding all the plane in the US airspace that very same day.

The RIDICULOUS "luck" the alleged hijackers had that day... they just happened to pick a day to allegedly hijack 4 aircraft on a day when the military was running exercises having to do with hijackings.

Sorry folks, but NOBODY is that "lucky".

Who could forget the FBI/CIA anti-terrorism operatives being stranded in California for training exercises on the morning of 9/11?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/security.htm

Re: wargames "actually enHANCed our response!" (roflmfao good thing!)

Transcript of Representative Cynthia McKinney's Exchange with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Richard Myers, and Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) Tina Jonas, March 11th, 2005
http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/031505_mckinney_transcript.shtml
http://www.spiegltech.com/media/McKinney2.rm
[or] http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/240305mckinneygrills.htm
[or] http://www.prisonplanet.com/video/McKinney2.rm
[or] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL--vSsA

Re: incompetence
"Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

All I want to know is who scheduled the Wargames, and who was in charge of them that day.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 08.03.06 - 9:08 am | #

^ Forget about it, "no planes" simple as.

In all seriousness though dude thatÂ’s exactly the question the media should be asking. From what I remember Cheney six months or so before the attacks did something unprecedented like become the first civilian to control the war games etc. Previously it had been only generals etc, that's a foggy memory but I think it's correct.

"CMK: Let me ask you this, then: who was in charge of managing those wargames?

DH: General, why don't you give the best answer that you can here in a short a period of time and we'll - the gentlelady wants to get a written answer anyway, and then we can move on to other folks.

RM: The important thing to realize is that North American Aerospace Defense Command was responsible. (No answer yet.) These are command post exercises; what that means is that all the battle positions that are normally not filled are indeed filled; so it was an easy transition from an exercise into a real world situation. (Still no answer to her question.) It actually enhanced the response; otherwise, it would take somewhere between 30 minutes and a couple of hours to fill those positions, those battle stations, with the right staff officers. (No answer, period.)"

(One fine day, in the absence of wargames...)

Battle stations!! We are under aTTACK!"

"Hey hang on an hour or so you guys, I'll be right there!"

"In all seriousness though dude thatÂ’s exactly the question the media should be asking. From what I remember Cheney six months or so before the attacks did something unprecedented like become the first civilian to control the war games etc. Previously it had been only generals etc, that's a foggy memory but I think it's correct."

On May 8, 2001, President Bush announced that Vice President Cheney would "oversee the development of a coordinated national effort so that we may do the very best possible job of protecting our people from catastrophic harm." (Statement by the President) The task force was to focus specifically, in Vice President Cheney's words, on the threat of "domestic terrorism...a terrorist organization overseas or even another state using weapons of mass destruction against the U.S., a hand-carried nuclear weapon or biological or chemical agents." (CNN, 5/8/01) Moreover, President Bush announced that he would "periodically chair a meeting of the National Security Council to review these efforts." (Statement by the President, 5/8/01) The Washington Post reports that, in the four months between the President's announcement and the September 11 attacks, "neither Cheney's review nor Bush's took place." (1/20/02). According to the 9-11 Commission, the Cheney Task Force "was just getting underway when the 9/11 attack occurred." (9-11 Commission, Staff Statement Number 8, "National Policy Coordination," p. 9).

@Truth

What would the U.S. government have to gain by staging the 9/11 attacks?

You mean except complete and utter support in anything they ask for, including Afghanistan, Iraq and the Patriot Act, giving them and their cohorts unpresidented domestic powers and enormous global oil and defense contracts? You mean except getting everything they wanted, as described in the PNAC document?

How can the Bush administration simultaneously be comprised of evil geniuses (faking the 9/11 attacks) and bumbling idiots (the war in Iraq)?

They aren't bumbling idiots and never were. Point out how they actually profit from a civil war in Iraq. You might also argue that they didn't get the international support they had planned for, which might have given them more controll and have made the issue less unpopular for them now. But still, they plan to stay there for 10 more years. Kathrina was something completely different, since it was not planned for a year in advance, and since they generally didn't give a shit.

What do you hope to accomplish by indulging in these conspiracy theories? Are you aiming to satisfy your own curiosity? Are you wanting to start a revolution and overthrow the government?

That would be nice :) You have to answer for yourself on that one.

You guys are all still struggling with any kind of hangout version.

It's either the Ruppert-Cheney BS hangout or the Thompson-Negligence hangout.

If you think that's enough to convince the public, go with it.

The only important things to know is, that the NEADS/NORAD wargames had been closer with the NRO plane crash drill, than ever reported before

The Stand-down order was introduced, because there was nothing to shut down.
No planes hit the Pentagon, crashed in Shanksville or hit any of the Towers.

And even for planehuggers, the "no flight" research should make them think again in this context, that Flight 11 did not exist, as also now confirmed by the new NORAD Tapes.

Simple. Period.

http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3597
Wed Aug 02 2006
Vanity Fair on 9/11 Wargames: "Flight11" Tailnumber didn't match, "175 part of an Input"

http://911closeup.com/nico/085518.mp3
08:55:18BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): Yeah, he crashed into the World Trade Center.ROUNTREE: That is the aircraft that crashed into the World Trade Center?BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): Yup. Disregard the—disregard the tail number [given earlier for American 11].

http://911closeup.com/nico/090450.mp3
09:04:50—Is this explosion part of that that we're lookin' at now on TV?—Yes.—Jesus …—And there's a possible second hijack also—a United Airlines …—Two planes?…—Get the fuck out …—I think this is a damn input, to be honest.

...
These new transcripts support again the evidence which was established by team8plus months and years ago (Holmgren):

AA11 didn't exist in the BTS database.

The exercise and the military operation used obviously a stand-in plane with a different tail number (or aka false blip), which was too far away at time of first attack, as proven by military radar and re-established by us:

http://team8plus.org/news.php?item.31
9.6 miles west of the World Trade Center at 8:47

Also, "UA175" potential stand-in was 9.6 miles away:

...
UA 175 never arrived in NYC- MSNBC confirmation 12:33 PM, 12:53 PM EST

5:05 SKY INSERT *(european time): United Airlines, flight 175, Boston to LA is still reported missing

5:35 United Airlines, flight 175, Boston to Los Angeles,
is still reported missing

...

Was there a closer connection of the NEADS/NORAD Wargames with the 'cancelled' NRO TerrorDrill, than ever reported?:

The terror hijack exercise, which started "early"
(*thx to CCW, team8plus)

http://www.vanityfair.com/features/general/060801fege01
9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes
By Michael Bronner

"When they told me there was a hijack, my first reaction was 'Somebody started the exercise early,'" Nasypany later told me. *The day's exercise was designed to run a range of scenarios, including a "traditional" simulated hijack in which politically motivated perpetrators commandeer an aircraft, land on a Cuba-like island, and seek asylum*. "I actually said out loud, 'The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour...

The RIDICULOUS "luck" the alleged hijackers had that day... they just happened to pick a day to allegedly hijack 4 aircraft on a day when the military was running exercises having to do with hijackings.

Sorry folks, but NOBODY is that "lucky".
Jon Gold | Homepage | 08.03.06 - 9:10 am | #

Unless Saudi Royals (Bandar?) knew about them and tipped off their buddies.