interesting how more and more people are spending their weekends on 911Blogger.

Especially taking into consideration this past holiday weekend and warm weather

http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s21911blogger&r=35

OUTSTANDING!!!

I just saw the clip and think it (and Fetzer's "You've got your facts FAUXED" clip) should be nominated for a 'reality on TV' Oscar!

Only one thing Barrett should have mentioned is the Zogby poll and that 45% of America want a new investigation of a 'possible inside job'.

We need to take advantage of that poll and mention it in all MSM interviews!

But no complaints! Hannity came across as the paranoid nut fearful to look at (and even discuss) evidence; Barrett was the rational, easy going guy.

Fetzer was round one, Barrett round two, how about 3 for 3? (Perhaps Mr Reynolds???)

Excellent mention of ST911!

Excellent job Kevin!!!

I love how on these "science" and "liberal" forums they bash everyone in the 9/11 truth movement, thinking it all hinges on "controlled demolition" and "Fake planes at the pentagon", not realizing 98% of the inside job proof comes from whistleblower testimony, declassified documents, orders, eyewitnesses, mainstream news coverage, ISI, funding, patsies, coverups, etc.

"Why FOX is the only one giving credence? I'm at a loss.
Cloak & Swagger | Homepage | 07.10.06 - 10:25 pm | # "

Because they're basically the only mainstream "news" channel that doesn't matter lol

correction: or is he one of those shills who knows what's going on?

a question about Hannity though... is he really that brainwashed and can't understand the evidence, or is he one of shills who knows what going on?

and don't overlook the month-to-month growth.

http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s21911blogger&r=36

So far the intro clip showed a really bad photo and an audio clip where he said Iraq bombings as false flag ops. The spin starts...

well....what is the connection? any at all? why was it brought up?

He's doing great!

Go Go Go!!!

BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

did he get cut off yet? has been called a nut by hannity?

Hey janedoe :)

give us the lowdown!

GOOD JOB KEVIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

speaking truth to power!

since i don't have FOXNEWS here let me guess what happened:

hannity attacked him, the person, and didn't address the message. probably called him a nut and an idiot.

barrett went on the offensive and they pulled it.

am i close?

Hey GeorgeWashington :-)

He fought fire with fire, which was the only option left after the talk over / insult tactic from Hannity, who's on every night. Corp media opposition is hard...

loved it!

That was very, very good. He was calm and reasoned. Great job, Kevin. You are right, Hannity is the extremist!

excellent. Talked with Kevin in Chicago. Good guy.

Kevin was great. Hannity said Barrett wasn't the most qualified to teach. Barrett said Hannity was not the most qualified to be on network TV and he should be fired from Fox News for spewing out all the venom. Barrett took off the gloves and gave back to H&C everything they threw at him. Performance 10/10!!!!

You guessed correctly. All Hannity could do was sling insults. Kevin gave him some of his own medicine but upped the dosage.

i liked how when hannity came on, he just started talking over him. if he would have let Hannity direct the conversation, it would have just been lame.

Kevin did a great job of focusing his argument and not being sidetracked by Hannity's snipes and jabs.

Hannity came off as the paranoid conspiracy nut.

Kevin pointed out brilliantly that this story about 19 arabs hijacking the american skies and knocking down its most powerful symbols is the real "conspiracy theory".

Hannity looked weak, and ineffective. IMO Kevin scored a home run!

How quickly does anybody anticipate we'll be able to get a clip of H&C uploaded to this site?

I just wish he could of got in some wtc 7 info, but he did get the thermate evidence. There's not much you can do with ambush journalism, but throw in what facts you can and refuse to let yourself be bullied.

I can't wait to see the clip of this!

Kevin also said he thinks Fox news should be taken off the air.

The guy has balls the size of coconuts!!

Way to go Kevin!

Any video on the way?

Hannity called Barrett cn extremist, but Barrett brought up the fact that a local poll said 90% thought he should be allowed to teach and 60% supported the assertions he was making (think that's right). Barrett gave a cool explanation of critical thinking and demonstrated how he students were free to disagree with him and form their own opinions, so long as they have fair access to all the evidence and various viewpoints. Kevin also brought up the fact that the majority of Muslims believe 911 was an inside job. By far the best defense I've heard in the MSM so far! Nice work.

"ambush journalism" is right. Anytime the host of a show calls someone a "nut" makes you think.

Then when they came back from commercial, some girl was talking about Fox was the "Most Trusted Name in News". Ha!!!

jj111 and JHF: About 30 minutes given this crowd.

Somebody here who knows Kevin's phone number(s) should have him call the Mike Malloy show tonight and further defend his (our) position.

And when you get the chance, watch this way-off topic movie... http://www.atomfilms.com/contentPlay/video.jsp?id=haha_america&ratingBar...

-slaqqer

He also quoted Morgan Reynolds as saying, "The Bush administration blew the world trade center to kingdom come. That's a direct quote from a member of the Bush administration itself"

Hannity brushed buy it, calling it another "sick bizarre theory", but no substantive response to the facts Kevin presented.

Kevin also got in a plug for www.st911.org

He rocked!

Sounds like a real american hero. I can't wait to see it.

I have the clip, but no one is online to get it from me.

"did he get cut off yet? has been called a nut by hannity?"

You guessed it. A "Conspiracy Nut".

Jon,

Perhaps you can upload it to YouTube and post the link here.

Just a suggestion.

Well, if you'd learn how to use FTP, you could upload it yourself.

i got the clip too. i'm putting it up on my server right now. everyone can have fun with it there until the guys get back

here you kids go...

http://www.transafixion.com/uploads/h&c_Barrett.mp4

I just realized that Michael Wolsey's show was plastered on the Television...

WOOOOO!!! Congrats Michael!

WOOOOO Way to go Ian C.!!!

Hey! I missed "Two and a Half Men" cause I was Tivo'ing H&C. I don't suppose anyone can post the 2&1/2 here huh? Whadda ya say Ian C.?
African American | Homepage | 07.10.06 - 10:24 pm | #

sorry...could only record one. I think I made a good choice

Kevin did an awesome job, totally smothered hannity.

http://www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes/

They didn't include the clip of the interview in their own site. What a surprise.

The reason why only Fox is covering this is because they want to marginalize "the left", to make liberals all look like wackos. And that is also why "the left" is staying as far away as possible. Fox is not trying to do us any favors, but it's just backfiring on them so far.

"Hey! I missed "Two and a Half Men" cause I was Tivo'ing H&C. I don't suppose anyone can post the 2&1/2 here huh? Whadda ya say Ian C.?"
African American | Homepage | 07.10.06 - 10:24 pm | #

Awe, it was good too. At least you have Tivo!

Sweet Georgia Peach, I wasnt expecting to Kevin Barrett lay the total smackdown on Hannity.

Even for the people who think "Barrett is nuts", you know MILLIONS just secretly agreed with Barrett in calling Fox News extremists and Hannity an extremist. Wow, that was truly glorious.
As Jon said, it truly was a disaster for Fox to bring him on.

We know 9/11, 3/11 and 7/7 clearly have intelligence apparatus' deep within, but Barrett should have said *some* of the Iraqi insurgent incidents(like Basra with Arab dressed British MP's) were false flags, the rest were instigated by Rumsfeld's P2OG. But a minor complaint, the fact he got Jone's findings, the Reynolds quote, and the knockout punch at the end made my day.

Kevin Barrett I now place right under or next to Alex Jones in powerful no holds barred fight men for truth against mainstream media. I would sooo love to see Alex Jones on Fox News.

Of all the 911 coverage I've seen that was the best.He got all his points in and looked confidant in everything that he was talking about.He actually made Hannity look silly. I don't know if he got through to any of the FOX faithful but we can only hope.

Kevin was awesome. What a puch in the face to the official story - and FOX NEWS - it was exhilarating to watch.
Thanks for the quick post.

The Barrett-FOX-7-10-2006 Windows Media Clip I downloaded does not work properly. The video freezes about 5 seconds into the clip, and never changes thereafter. Did anyone else find this problem? If so, can the person who posted see if he can try to get a working clip and reupload it please? Thanks.

Dang, we don't have a Kevin song yet!! Somebody get on it! This one will have to do for now

http://clandyken.com/Music_Lyrics/mp3files/silence.mp3

Kevin Barret is my hero! That was the best interview anyone in the 9/11 Truth Movement has ever done on network TV. He totally steamrolled Sean Hannity!

Turn on Mike Malloy now!

http://www.airamerica.com/listen

and watch the first 1:10 of the following during the commercial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR0oCRKV_hQ&search=boondocks%201

-slaqqer

MIKE MALLOY IS TALKING ABOUT KEVIN BARRETT RIGHT NOW!!!

yes, he is...and gettin' fired up! ;)

tune in...

http://www.airamerica.com/audio

'now!' being 9:39 CST 7/10/2006. Thanks!

-slaqqer

Go Kev!!

I love it, Kevin is the greatest!
We need to blow this thing open soon, or else.....!

That absolutely made my day... my week... my month! Freakin' awesome. Hannity is such a little terd face - he proved to the world that he indeed has no balls.

Listening to Malloy... good stuff....

Hannity is beyond ostrich. When the hammer comes down "acomplice" will be the correct term. There is just too much evidence out there for anyone who calls themselves a reporter to be ignorant at this time.

It was a good night, and good night.

Kevin did pretty good and counter-punched everything Hannity said. Keven wasn't as polished as Hannity in the delivery but I expect this to improve if Kevin gets more chances like this one.

wow... malloy is cracking me up

Jon Gold:

Fall asleep to Malloy this late evening...

-slaqqer

didn't see this one yet...

Lecturer denounces critics of his 9-11 teachings-jsonline.com

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=459505

Congrats Kevin on the job and everything! I wish the former military officers would have half a nut to do what the scholars are doing. How do we get them organized??

JG- please do enjoy the JimBob segment on the Malloy show this evening...funny as fuck.

-slaqqer

Kevin really did a fantastic job- and for my part, I was genuinely surprised Hannity let himself get slapped around and talked over.

What's really funny to me is that it seems likely that FoxNews producers genuinely believe there's no harm in bringing on someone who espouses 9/11 MIHOP theories. One can imagine how in the flag-waving, administrating worshipping halls of Fox (which during a recent Cavuto actually had a straight faced segment called "Is George Bush a Great President?"), the MIHOP theories are perceived as so utterly blasphemous, so offensive to common sense that no American in their right mind (save for left-of-Howard-dean fringe) could possibly even entertain the thought.

Yet as we see from Gold's useful man-on-the-street clips, from the recent Zogby poll, from our own interactions with others, and from the popularity of Loose Change online, people are opening their minds to thoughts unthinkable years ago- including LIHOP and MIHOP theories.

One can't help but wonder whether there's a bigger plan at work here- between Cheney and Fox (like a shoe is about to drop that blows all this off the map for years)- or whether Fox is simply underestimating the degree to which Americans are beginning to distrust the administration.

For my money, I agree with the recent assessments of Jones, Tarpley, Schoenman and many others- the larger budgeted sequel to the biggest blockbuster event of our lifetime, "9/11", is about to be released in a theater or television screen near you. Directed by Dick Cheney, and starring a cast of millions, it may give new meaning to the phrase, "Viral Marketing".

YES!!!!

From the article above:

"Barrett, a bearded man with unkempt hair, said in an interview that..."

"Fetzer, a burly man with a booming voice..."

LMAO.

Equally funny and revealing was this:

"Mark Graul, a spokesman for Green, said "that he's being paid to teach this garbage is putting a black eye on the whole state. There is no merit to his theory. All you had to have was a TV to know what happened on 9-11."

Quite right.

Barrett was awesome on Fox. But I should point out that Hannity doesn't need anyone to make him look like an ass -- he does the job all by himself.

Now if we can just can D.R.G. on the airwaves...

I thought he was okay, but not what everyone on here is going on about.

I thought he got too caught up in attacking mode -- neither the right nor the left is going to identify with "H & C, you shouldn't be on tv." They just aren't. The right wing won't see it as a good thing to have a conspiracy nut attacking their man, and the left doesn't appreciate attacks in general.

To all the 18 year olds on here and guys with too much testosterone, sure, "he rocks!" because he was rude back to an a--hole. So the F what?

Next, Morgan Reynolds is NO PLANES at the WTC -- duhhhhhhhhh. Wake up guys, this is NOT a good reference to make to millions of people. All H & C have to say is, "well, let's take a look at this Morgan Reynolds . . . what'dya know, he thinks that the planes that hit the WTC towers weren't passenger jets! Talk about a NUTCASE!!" Then we're sunk. There is really no way to recover from that.

Kevin looked good and spoke well, and is to be congratulated on surviving the idiocy of that program, but I wish he'd have gotten in more of the stronger facts (i.e., Pentagon was wide open for attack over an hour after the WTC towers were hit -- MOST people are completely unaware of that) instead of spending precious moments falling for the right-wing attack mode.

I sincerely hope that 9/11 will not be repeated. That's just a terribly grisly prospect, and the casualities from the event itself will be the least of the horrors.

"I sincerely hope that 9/11 will not be repeated. That's just a terribly grisly prospect, and the casualities from the event itself will be the least of the horrors."

Knock that crap off. We've been in a dictatorship since 9/12. There doesn't need to be another attack to seal the deal. The deal is sealed and now all the republican/democrat parties can do is try to not let the cat out of the bag. They did not see the power of the internet coming and there's nothing they can do to stop the truth.

have you no sense of shame mr. hannity?

great!!!

disinfo agent: Agreed about Webster and the good Dr. Jones.

I feel honored to have sat behind the Tarpster and 3 chairs down from Dr. Jones during the final presentaions on June 4th in Chicago.

-slaqqer

HE GOT OUT THE VITAL INFO ON THE WTC DEMO AND MORGAN REYNOLDS (FORMER BUSH OFFICIAL) AGREEMENT WITH IT.

WAS WELL SPOKEN AND HAD HANNITY SPEECHLESS AND FLUSTERED. ALL HE COULD DO WAS HURL INSULTS. HE LOOKED VERY VULNERABLE IN FRONT OF HIS HOME CROWD.

HANNITY GOT CRUSHED. HIS PROPAGANDA WAS NO MATCH FOR FACTS.

AND EVEN COLMES WAS TRYING TO TALK OVER HIM. COLMES IS A FALSE OPPOSITION LIKE THE REST OF THE LEFT ESTABLISHMENT WHO AVOID 9/11 TRUTH.

FOX HAS A HUGE AUDIENCE AND THEY JUST BECAME EXPOSED TO THE MESSAGE.

MAJOR PROGRESS.

THIS IS REALLY HEATING UP.

There are two things I'm sick and tired of seeing on these threads. Arguments over theories and worry over repeats of 9/11.
If you can convince someone the "no 757" theory is truth then you have converted someone. If it turns out to not be true later, then people aren't all of the sudden going to leave the truth movement.
If you convince someone that holograms were used and they start on the path to truth that way, big deal. The people who look for the truth don't all of the sudden turn away because there are theories that appear on their face outrageous. A person wants to know the truth or he/she doesn't.
There can't be another attack, it will cause too much chaos. The republican/democratic parties want things to appear normal until they have total control and there a long ways from that. Get out there and spread the truth. We're winning.

I loved it! Kevin ate Hannity for breakfast. I hope the whole country was watching. Hannity is such a slime-ball. I hope he hangs along with Cheney and Bush.

We're winning.

Giddyup!!!

OT:

Hey guys and gals, I am in a conversation with a person in the thread below and I could use some assistance in providing 9/11 info.

The problem is that this guy is claiming that all my stuff is from "liberal" "hate" "spewing" web sites.

Can you provide some suggestions?

He provided this link, and I will provide information tomorrow, as it is late.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

Here is the website to read the posts.

http://news.netscape.com/story/2006/07/07/-bush-i-rather-be-right-than-p...

I provided Dr. Jones and an article from the Fire Engineering Magazine. Like I said, I will provide a list tomorrow and any help would be great.

The Next Stage of the 9/11 Truth Movement

Carol Brouillet / Global Outlook | July 11 2006

Reprint of article which appeared in Global Outlook Issue #11, with updated text from presentation at the 9/11 Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming the Future Conference in Chicago June 2nd-4th.

To win this struggle to reveal the truth we need to know where we are in terms of the 8 Stages of the evolution of our movement so we can plan and carry out more effective social action.
In January 2002, when we first marched to demand a Congressional Investigation of 9-11, we passed out worksheets, which mapped out the Eight Stages of Social Movements (chart is on page 130 of Global Outlook) , and the Effective and Ineffective Roles that activists play (page 132), pointing out that we were at Stage One- Alerting the public that a Critical Social Problem Exists.

Bill Moyer, author of Doing Democracy The MAP Model for Organizing Social Movements, a strategist for Martin Luther King, Jr. who had been organizing and empowering activists for forty years, was with us. He taught that all social movements have been about the struggle between power-holders and the rest of us, that societal myths allow power-holders to maintain their position, and that exposing their secret violation of those myths, ideals, values is a catalyst for social change.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/110706Movement.htm

Boy,

alan colmes looks like he's about one bitch slap away from death...

speaking of bitch slaps, I think both he and hannity need a few thousand of them. Can you believe how locked in their mental cages these people in the media are? Can you believe the utter naivety in the questions they ask?

I just can't believe how despicable, how profuse, how utterly brickheaded they are. The depth of their shameful newsmanship sinks lower every day.

Thanks Kevin for being perhaps the first sane person I've seen on the TV in a long time.

I guess we can believe its ok to question 911 now because i just saw it on the tv.

Way to go Kevin!!!!! Great Job!!!!!

We're all proud of you here in Madison!!!

Eirik, we get much needed publicity from any truther who appears in the msm.
Anonymous | 07.11.06 - 8:25 am | #

My favorite TV spot so far... I think Hannity is starting to have a hard time with this issue. He's not him normal self.... A very good day for the truth.
Alex Truberg | Homepage | 07.11.06 - 1:13 am | #

I noticed this about Hannity also!
Anonymous | 07.11.06 - 8:28 am | #
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My comment:
Maybe your both right. It just upset me that media people cant behave when they actually invite (or whatever) someone to talk on TV.
Maybe Hannity`s behaviour actually lead to some sort of sympathy :)
And for sure, if you get air time theres a better chance for others to look into it.
But again, it pisses me off when they act like that.
I dont know if the word "nut" is considered as bad as it sounds over there in the US. But if a TV host in Norway called someone "nut" it would be pretty loud :)

i think this is one of the best TV appearances ever. hannity looked like a jerk, barret owned him on his own turf.

hello Final Cut. :D

I loved when Hannity asked him for a yes or no answer in regards to the Madrid, London, Bali "terrorist attacks", and whether or not they were "inside jobs". He was HOPING beyond hope that Kevin would say, "yes", because then he could just call him a "nut", but instead Kevin said, "It's not that simple." Hannity can only deal with black or white, he has no ability to deal with grey. I don't think Kevin caught the fact that he called him a "Conspiracy Nut". I caught it, and screamed, "Go Fuck Yourself" at my TV (Like I usually do).

Hannity is a fascist nutcase.

Barrett was just great.

Of course Barret's a nutter - the sad reality is that most of you are nutters. And the only ones who don't realize the obvious - is you folks...

Sullen shills. :)

The worst part, for me, was having to watch Hannity with that "You're a nut" expression on his face the whole time. That's ALL he can do to, through his actions and reactions, make Kevin look like a "nut" because he can't argue the information. I also think it was great that Hannity tried to play "The 9/11 Truth Movement is anti-semitic" route by mentioning the debunked claim that all of the jews in the WTC weren't there that day. It just shows how desperate they are. And it also shows that painting the movement as anti-semitic is part of the Anti-9/11 Truth Movement playbook.

In Michael Green's article "How They Get Away With It", he writes:

"Furthermore, had Cheney's order been to fire on the plane approaching the Pentagon (which first came near the White House), the anti-aircraft capacity of the Pentagon (or White House), would have sufficed to take out that plane, and certainly to have attempted to take out that plane."

My question is....does any “hard” evidence exist that shows that either the White House and/or Pentagon have anti-aircraft missile batteries or defense capabilities? This topic comes up quite often from those who believe the official story and their claims are that neither the White House nor Pentagon has such weapons (due to proximity to Ronald Reagan Airport). I would love to prove them wrong but have not been able to find hard evidence.

Any help would be great.

http://911research.wtc7.net/ essa...AwayWithIt.html

"Of course Barret's a nutter - the sad reality is that most of you are nutters. And the only ones who don't realize the obvious - is you folks..."

How was that inside job that you and S. King took part in last night?

Mr. X... look up April Gallop or Gallup...

"April Gallop, an enlisted member and survivor who worked at the Pentagon and brought her infant child to work that day, told me that when she was assigned there she got a classified tour of the building introducing her to its defenses, and she was told it was the best defended and safest building in the world. To this day she cannot comprehend why those defenses would have failed on 9/11."

I like nutter butter...ever tried one of those?

To this day she cannot comprehend why those defenses would have failed on 9/11."
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.11.06 - 10:18 am | #
thats simple. because it wasnt Flight 77, it was a military plane that was "friendly", therefor it didnt get shot down.

Witnesses who were at both grounds in DC and PA saw white jets flying overhead. 1+1=2, you know?

"In the meantime, we still wait patiently for Jon Gold to tell us how "9/11 was an inside job."

Still waiting after all this time."

Well, first you and your boyfriend went to bed, undressed, etc... got into bed. You bent over, and he gave you an inside job.

Oh, you were talking about 9/11...
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.11.06 - 8:38 am | #

^ LOL yea, Shill King got inside jobed by Terrence! Check their duet here;
http://www.emp3world.com/to_download.php?id=46824

PS Kevin Barrett handed Hannity his ass, bravo Kevin!!

Come on; only a total nut would really believe that the headquarters of the US Military aren´t heavily defended. The Pentagon has had missile defences for decades.

"thats simple. because it wasnt Flight 77, it was a military plane that was "friendly", therefor it didnt get shot down."

It wasn't Flight 77? You know that for a fact? It was a military plane? You know that for a fact?

Maybe they deliberately didn't activate whatever defenses they had. Maybe that's what the "young man" was talking about with regards to Cheney and Mineta.

i think this is one of the best TV appearances ever. hannity looked like a jerk, barret owned him on his own turf.

hello Final Cut. :D
dylan | Homepage | 07.11.06 - 9:53 am |

***

So Dylan, approximately when can we expect "Final Cut" to be released.

Sometime around Stone's "9/11" would be ideal of course.

And MAYBE, just MAYBE, we don't need to know what hit the Pentagon... we just need to know that it was hit, and shouldn't have been.

i hope this new version of Loose Change has at least a short segment on the mainstream medias failings.its hard for some people to take 9/11 truth seriously until they at least get some grasp on how the media is set up.

It wasn't Flight 77? You know that for a fact? It was a military plane? You know that for a fact?

Maybe they deliberately didn't activate whatever defenses they had. Maybe that's what the "young man" was talking about with regards to Cheney and Mineta.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.11.06 - 10:29 am | #
you know for a fact taht FLight 77 hit correct? you sure as fuck act like it........

I would rather go around saying that the Pentagon was hit, and shouldn't have been, then say, "Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon. It was either a missile, a global hawk, or an A-3 Sky Warrior.", and have someone say, "You're a nut. What did they do with the passengers?", and not have an answer.

they killed the passengers. is that so hard to believe if you are going to say the government killed 3000 of its own citizens? its not much of a leap to think they simply killed them too.

Witnesses who were at both grounds in DC and PA saw white jets flying overhead. 1+1=2, you know?
geggy | 07.11.06 - 10:23 am | #
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And what about the flying elephant at WTC http://worldtradecentertruth.com/Journal_4_Jet.pdf

1+1+1=3
.

or like Operation Northwoods, the passengers were frauds. they were on the government payroll. how much do we really know about the victims families of the people on the planes? next to nothing.you would think the media would be all over those people. and what we do know is suspicious(Burlingames experience in the military and with an exercise that involved a plane plowing into the Pentagon. what a coincidence huh?)

"you know for a fact taht FLight 77 hit correct? you sure as fuck act like it...

No. I honestly don't. I think it was Flight 77, but I don't know for sure because no video has been released. Again, because of the fact that the Pentagon has refused to release their videos, and because of the fact that the videos they have released don't show anything, and because of the fact that the FBI confiscated the videos from the Hotel and Gas station, etc... people have filled in the narrative, and I think it's that narrative that makes us come across as "crazy", so I try to avoid it.

It's like answering the question, "Why didn't the Secret Service protect the President on 9/11?" with an answer...

They didn't protect him because they knew there was a protective sheild around the school, and he was perfectly safe.

I filled in the narrative with something that sounds crazy to make my point.

The "correct" answer is to say they probably knew he wasn't in any danger, but it's not as exciting as a "protective sheild".

Gold and Chris, no sissy Pentagon slapfights today, OK? You guys are too good for that crap.

AA77 did not fly 250 miles back to D.C. & hit the small, renovated wedge of the Pentagon & make a 16ft. hole. Forgetaboutit.

sorry to break it to you Jon, but saying there were explosives in the 3 towers and that the FBI stifled investigations into Bin Laden/al qaeda pre-9/11 makes us sound crazy to most people anyway. despite the fact that the evidence is very strong in both cases.we already come across as "crazy", Pentagon theory or no Pentagon theory.

your right, im done.

I wish Jon wouldn't support the official story of the Pentagon. It makes him look like a shill.

is this the same Anonymous that just said Jon and I were too good for that? now hes a shill? are you skitzo?

"sorry to break it to you Jon, but saying there were explosives in the 3 towers and that the FBI stifled investigations into Bin Laden/al qaeda pre-9/11 makes us sound crazy to most people anyway."

Actually, explosives in the towers makes us sound crazy, which is why I avoided it for so long. It wasn't until Professor Jones came out that I finally started to believe it.

The FBI tidbit doesn't sound crazy at all, and it's also easily verifiable.

This is the first I've heard witnesses at grounds of WTC saying they saw a white jet flying overhead. Weird.

I used to believe aa77 hit the pentagon but after seeing the 5 frame video released by FOIA, I didn't see anything that resembles an 757 so I'm not so sure anymore. Oh, well...

hell yeah, Vida Guerras in the latest issue of Playboy. good shit.

Chris | Homepage | 07.11.06 - 11:09 am | #

That is a fantastic little video on controlled demolition!

The more effective way I see poeple take their red pill around me is by explaining to them in details the OFFICIAL VERSION. Then they wake up. Not by saying to them: "Hey, their was no plane at 9/11..."

Fox News Spin Attack Ends With Red-Faced Anchors
9/11 truth scholar Fetzer anticipated slant of Hannity and Colmes spot

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | July 11 2006

Fox News' tactic of mapping out a spin and attack policy for guests whose stance they disagree with was spotlighted and deflated recently by 9/11 truth scholar Jim Fetzer - who left Alan Colmes and Oliver North red-faced after he exposed them and Fox producers for not having done their homework.

Fetzer called the appearance, "perhaps the most interesting four and a half minutes of my life."

Fetzer described how in a pre-interview a Fox producer has insistently asked him if he taught alternative theories behind 9/11 as a college course. Fetzer was keen to stress that he taught a course on critical thinking but not a course specific to 9/11.

From this exchange Fetzer began to understand the spin that Fox were preparing to put on the interview.

"They were attacking me for a non-existent course, said Fetzer."

"There was no course that satisfied the description they were trying to nail me for having taught."

Fetzer was able to embarrass Colmes and North who cut the interview short because their attack strategy had clearly been ripped out from underneath them.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/110706spinattack.htm

goddamn site keeps making me Anonymous......

The more effective way I see poeple take their red pill around me is by explaining to them in details the OFFICIAL VERSION. Then they wake up. Not by saying to them: "Hey, their was no plane at 9/11..."
TNF | 07.11.06 - 11:15 am | #

BTW, let's not confuse no plane at the Pentagon with no planes at the WTC.

Those were most likely drones that struck the WTC. Even Operation Northwoods called for drones over 40 years ago.

Yes, but in my personnal experience, people question the plane, CT, etc... after they realise the official story doesn't stand the road.

"A troll saying that the Pentagon was struck by a precision drone, missile, or a bomb, and not AA-77?

If a drone, missile, or bomb were used, then there is nothing to intercept or shoot-down. No need to remote-control passengers & crew back 250 miles during which many things could go wrong."

You're a troll because you constantly try to instigate arguments with me by referring to me as a "shill", and by trying to incite arguments regarding the Pentagon.

If anyone honestly thinks I'm a "shill", then you need to seriously ask what you're doing here because you don't know the difference between the good guys and the bad guys.

Jon Gold is one of the "good guys", and don't you forget it.

...then, I burry them under DVD, PDF, links, etc... :)

I thought both Fetzer & Barret did well against Hannity/Colmes. (Hannity seemed scared of Barret & constantly interrupted him.)

Hannity & Colmes are experienced, crafty Faux "newsmen" who have been in front of tv/radio microphones every day for years. It's hard to punch through their b.s.

You might be a limited-hangout guy, Jon. I sure hope not.

Speaking of crazy: Chris you are crazy if you think everyone in mainstream America is a waste of time or already think we are crazy. You know why? Because mainstream America still doesn't freakin know to even question 911! So, yes, it is worth while to try and get our best arguments out there first. Once they hear or see something that resinates as possible then they will research on their own---their curriosity will take over. That is when I prefer them to have to go thru all these various theories, NOT at the very beginning. We have a lot going for us and we don't need to confuse the issue at the beginning.

Mainstream America doesn't look to alternative news sources. Many don't even know they are even out there and don't have the time or energy to go looking for them.
I am sorry, but I DO still have hope for middle america because I am a part of it and I know that if I hadn't CHANCED upon this info on the internet--I would STILL be in the dark too. There are many more potential truthers that will help us out there. They just have to be exposed to the truth first. If they don't know, they don't know. Don't ignore middle/mainstream America. This is why victories like getting a truther on national TV and magazines is soooo important. It reaches those that don't rely on the internet for news.

"You might be a limited-hangout guy, Jon. I sure hope not."

Thanks for making my point. I've only been doing this for years, and have several friends within the movement, and could easily find people to come to my defense.

If you think there's the slightest possibility that I'm a "shill" or a "limited-hangout guy" then you need to seriously think about what you're doing here because your judgement is not good.

Chris | Homepage | 11:19 am
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I think any real truther should say something like: "There are many reasons to doubt that AA-77 hit the Pentagon", rather than "AA-77 hit the Pentagon."

"I think any real truther should say something like: "There are many reasons to doubt that AA-77 hit the Pentagon", rather than "AA-77 hit the Pentagon."

And your wording further proves my point that you are a probably a troll.

"I think any real truther"... means that you think I'm obviously not a "real truther" which instigates a fight.

One that I'm not going to take part in. I've said my peace.

U.S. Defence Secretary Cohen expresses concern about eco-terrorism using scalar electromagnetic weapons.
"whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... "
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UN-banned weapon system can trigger hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis
Trigger tsunamis?
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H.A.A.R.P is so good it has a patent #
"high intensity, well controlled
electrical fields can be provided in selected locations for ... purposes. e.g., the plasma sheath surrounding a missile or satellite could be used as a
trigger for activating such a high intensity field to destroy the missile or satellite."

Chris | Homepage | 11:19 am
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Iced Ink | 07.11.06 - 11:29 am | #
it only does it sometimes. its wierd, most of the times my name shows up, but every now and then it wont.

"Still further, plumes ...can be formed to simulate and/or perform the same functions as performed by the detonation
of a "heave" type nuclear device without actually having to detonate such a device.
Thus ... the ramifications are numerous"

H.A.A.R.P.
.

Jon, last question:

You mean that you won't even say, "There are many reasons to doubt that AA-77 hit the Pentagon"? Come on, man.

Jon Gold wrote,

"C'MON KEVIN!!!

KICK ASS!!!"

Too bad for Jon that Kevin proved he was no different than any other 9/11 conspiracy bozo.

This sums it up nicely:
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Tuesday, July 11, 2006

The UW 9/11 denialist appears on "Hannity and Colmes."

The day the university announced its decision to permit Kevin Barrett to teach the one course he was hired to teach, he appeared on "Hannity and Colmes," introduced by Alan Colmes as "University of Wisconsin professor Kevin Barrett." If those words had come out of Sean Hannity's mouth, it would have provided a good occasion to accuse Hannity of being slanted and out to paint UW as a bunch of radical crazies. But it came from Colmes, the show's liberal, so it's just a nice demonstration of how lots of folks don't notice the distinction between professors and lecturers, even part time lecturers like Barrett. He's teaching here. He's one of the professors as far as the general public is concerned.

Let's go to the videotape:

Colmes begins and tries to present Barrett in a fairly positive light by bringing out the facts that the course is not required, that the 9/11 conspiracy theory will take up "only about one week" of the course, that the students will not be required to "regurgitate" his theory, and that he means to inspire "critical thinking." (Smarter students, I note, may want to regurgitate.)

From the moment he begins speaking, Barrett twitches and jerks around quite oddly and speaks in a breathless, excited way. He tries to unload a torrent of words about the theory and won't stop to give Colmes a chance to get through his series of questions, which are quite clearly designed to put Barrett in a positive light. Barrett, however, is so keen on his theory, he'd rather spout conspiracy. He looks nutty even before Hannity starts the questions that are meant to trash him. That is, Barrett's a witness who mucks up the direct examination. It doesn't take cross-examination to bring out the problems.

When Hannity takes over, Barrett interrupts him in the middle of his first question. When Hannity insists on finishing the question, Barrett smugly goes "Yeah, yeah, finish up." On Hannity's show! As if he thinks the only people who are watching are folks who think Hannity's a jackass. Hannity asks him if he really believes 9/11 and other terrorists attacks were "an inside job." Barrett, inspiring no confidence that he will allow students to debate with him, says sharply, "I don't believe, I do know that 9/11 was an inside job." Barrett then tries to lay out the details of the theory. The word "thermate" comes out of his mouth. (It's supposed to be "thermite," but why be precise?)

Hannity breaks in to say, "All right, so you believe that the buildings came down in a controlled demolition." Again, Barrett excludes the possibility of alternate theories: "Well, I don't believe it. I've looked at the evidence, and the evidence is overwhelming." Hannity's response is perfect: "All right, the evidence is overwhelming to you because you're a conspiracy nut." Hannity tries to set up his next question: "But putting that all aside..." That's perhaps the funniest line of the night, but it's stepped all over by Barrett, who motormouths conspiracy theory. Hannity goes ahead and asks his question with Barrett yammering over him. Hannity finally just lets the man babble. Then, he mutters, "Okay, I wish I had the 'Twilight Zone' music."

Hannity says, "Okay, here's my next question," and Barrett breaks in with a laugh and says "Okay, friend," and shrugs, looking quite pleased with himself, as if he believes he's getting the better of the exchange. As Hannity tries to ask the question, Barrett keeps interrupting, offering survey statistics that he seems to think show that people agree with him -- 60%! "You're in the minority," he tells Hannity. That is, we see Barrett garbling facts in real time, on camera.

Finally, Hannity gets Barrett to hear the question: Should extremists like you be allowed to teach? Barrett says: "No, you're the extremist. Fox News is the biggest bunch of extremists on the planet." He's got a huge laughing grin now. Hannity doesn't think Barrett should be teaching, and Barrett responds that he doesn't think Hannity should be on the air. "I think you guys should be taken off the airwaves, because you are the guys who are..." A desperate Colmes breaks in: "All right, we don't want to silence anybody...."

Colmes's attempt at the beginning to present Barrett in a good light by emphasizing that Barrett will bring debate and critical thinking to the classroom is all shot to hell. We've seen Barrett in action. Barrett retained his position here because we care about free speech values, but he slammed us in the face with his disrespect for free speech.

posted by Ann Althouse at 7:01 AM
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2006/07/uw-911-denialist-appears-on-hannity...

In the meantime, we wait for Jon Gold to tell us how "9/11 was an inside job."

Tonya, my point wasnt that middle america and the MSM isnt worth reaching, they are, we obviously have to reach them if we are going to reach critical mass. my point was that we should not be worried that the Pentagon stuff and comtrolled demolition will make us look "crazy" to them. too late, we already do look crazy to them,and this is no time to be timid and only put forward half of our arguments.im crazy like a fox damnit!

"Jon, last question:

You mean that you won't even say, "There are many reasons to doubt that AA-77 hit the Pentagon"? Come on, man."

Why should I when I don't have to to make the point that 9/11 was an inside job?

S.King is a big fan of Hannity i see. isnt that all we need to know about him?

911 whistleblowers talk of HAARP in transcripts:

RICHARD A GROVE
or the possibly late
SCOTT DURR- Save this document of Scott's posts. Click HERE to save or open.
Listen to a recent radio broadcast mp3 from Mon., April 3, 2006 on Greg Szymanski.

huh?

Jon, last question:

You mean that you won't even say, "There are many reasons to doubt that AA-77 hit the Pentagon"? Come on, man.
Anonymous | 07.11.06 - 11:37 am | #
he will concede nothing in regards to the Pentagon, but i can assure you hes not a shill.

Shill king, that Ann Althouse whore doesn't even know that the chemical has indeed been reported as thermate, not thermite as Jones previously suspected.

Shill King, can you tell us why they are so fervently shutting up Sibel Edmonds? Just because she's some crazy bitch, right?

In fascist America, thought crimes are prosecutable

Bev Conover | July 11 2006

Engage in certain types of talk and you can be arrested for thought crimes.

Whether they are gathered in a Miami warehouse or an Internet chatroom, if males, especially those of swarthy complexions, engage in big talk about doing evil things, even if they have neither the means nor expertise to carry them out, they stand the chance of being arrested and charged with being terrorists by US authorities.

On the other hand, if an estranged husband or boyfriend threatens to kill his wife or girlfriend, police maintain they can do nothing until he takes action, which oftentimes means the woman winds up brutally beaten or dead. In the meantime, the only recourse the woman has is to seek a restraining order that, as often as not, turns out to be meaningless.

Does that mean a woman's life has less value than groups of males who titillate themselves with talk of blowing up the Sears Tower in Chicago or the Holland Tunnel connecting New York and New Jersey?

Oh, says the Bushies, we can't wait to find out if these guys are going to carry out their plots and never mind that we send in infiltrators to encourage their pipe dreams.

http://infowars.net/articles/july2006/110706fascist.htm

Just a few comments regarding eye witnesses of Flight77. Im talking about those who actually SAW the plane.

Why didnt any of them speak in the Commissions public hearings? Or did they? Ive seen about 90% of it, maybe I lost that part :)

What about all those who were near the Pentagon and did not see a plane? ;)
Thats only a halfe baked joke :P

my point is it is not too late because they still don't even know!

too many aruments and conflicting theories is just too much to handle let alone someone you are trying to convince for the firts time that this was an inside job. That ALONE is a big pill to swallow. give them the best at the beginning.

gotta go---do you guys get anything done? have fun arguing!

oh Tonya, your so cute.

will this fictional game be our reality?

http://www.2kgames.com/shatteredunion/home.php

I'm done sbg... I'll be a good boy.

Your typical govt. shill insists that witness testimony from Pentagon employees constitutes proof that a 757 hit the Pentagon but totally disregards testimony from police and firefighters and others regarding explosions at the WTC.

"I think any real truther should say something like: "There are many reasons to doubt that AA-77 hit the Pentagon", rather than "AA-77 hit the Pentagon."
Anonymous | 07.11.06 - 11:30 am | # "

A real truther who's actually investigated the Pentagon attack quite thoroughly and indepth from both sides would say something more along the lines of:

"There really isn't any actual supporting evidence provided by purposeful disinfo agents and/or those who have been tricked into believing purposeful disinfo agents said nonsense, to substantiate that anything but a 757, most surely Flight 77, hit the Pentagon"

This is just meaningless nonsense, much like your handle.

Regarding the official story as presented in the 9/11 report you have to always bear in mind that anything appearing in that report had to be UNANYMOUSLY APPROVED BY ALL COMMISSION MEMBERS. Everybody had to approve everything that was put in that report.

The WH in effect controlled that commission. Zelikow, the executive director, was a WH insider and he picked which issues to investigate. And as per the above the WH controlled the outcome of the investigation.

"...Maybe Mineta's testimony about the approaching plane soon to hit the Pentagon is a limited hang-out, too. Or a modified limited hangout?"
disinfo agent | 07.11.06 - 11:53 am | #

That could easily have been a ruse put on for Mineta by Cheney & the "young man" to make it seem like AA77 was approaching. (Mineta's an old dude, he wouldn't see through it.)

"you know how many people have come back to me after watching lc2 and said that they dont believe it??? none you......!!!!
inside | 07.11.06 - 12:33 pm | #"

YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DAMN GOOD POINT! MY GUESS IS THAT ABOUT 95% OF PEOPLE YOU GIVE AN LC2E DVD TO WILL BELIEVE 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, OR WILL LOOK INTO 9/11 MUCH DEEPER & THEN BELIEVE IT!!!

So, you had selective truth by official degree ! Hello ?

Think that's worth much ? :)

Jon Gold wrote,

"S. King can NOT answer a simple question about 9/11.

Take note.

Take note that I answered Jon Gold's questions and demonstrated that he could provide no connection with any of his questions providing physical evidence from the attacks of 9/11.

Then, in an effort to pretend to answer my questions, he provides links to conspiracy books instead of directly providing direct physical evidence that Bush & Co. blew up buildings and crashed planes.

Not a single piece of physical evidence.

So, my question is still unanswered: Jon, where is your evidence from the attacks of 9/11 demonstrating that "9/11 was an inside job?"

It's should be pretty clear that Jon can only provide empty assertions and innuendo but no physical evidence. This should be clear to any honest person as was clear to me months ago.

Jon Gold cannot provide any physical evidence and he never will.

Why would a "young man" relay Cheney's orders to shoot down an airliner or not? Wouldn't Cheney give such an important order directly himself.

Sounds like they put on a show for Mineta.

S. King,

Suppose a man gets married. He is a poor man who needs money desperately to pay off $1,000,000 of gambling debt.

He marries a woman and takes out a large life insurance policy on her.

It turns out that the husband maintained a diary. In this diary he wrote that "I need a million dollars desperately, but the only way to get it is if my wife were to die".

One year later, his wife turns up dead - brutally murdered.

After discovering this diary and record of the insurance policy, the police immediately suspect wrongdoing by him and take him in for questioning. The man then claims that a group of people hiding in the mountains 5,000 miles away had her killed because they just plain didn't like her. When asked for evidence to back up this claim, the man was unable to provide any.

Next, the police asked this man where he was on the night of his wife's murder. The man first responds that he was at a movie with his friend Jon. The officer says, no you were not, Jon has already told us that he was at home by himself on that evening.

Next the suspect says, "oh that's right, now I remember, I was out shopping at the mall". The police then respond, "how could that be, the malls were closed at that time". Finally, the man says "oh, of course, I was JoeÂ’s Restaurant eating dinner by myself".

The interrogation is ended and the police release their final report to the media claiming that a woman was brutally murdered by mountain people 5,000 miles away because they simply did not like her. All this, even despite the fact that hours of testimony presented to police by numerous witnesses directly contradicted the man’s claim that “mountain people” had done it.
______________________________

If you believe the "official" story, then you would most certainly agree that the fictional man I talk about above is innocent and there is no reason whatsoever to investigate him further.

Jon Gold is no shill.

However he and many other good 9/11 people buy into the shill propaganda that the Pentagon should be ignored or even approved as official truth. They want to divert your attention from it since it's the most nonsensical segment of the official 9/11 fable.

Still, this doesn´t take anything from WTC-7 and the towers. The official story there is complete fabrication too.

It's just the same old divide and conquer thing. Divide your opposition. This is the main shill tactics.

Exactly, Blog. I don't accept the "official story" on anything. Let them prove it, including the Pentagon too.

I want to see all the 238 airliner seats, the luggage, wings, the holes made by the wings, clear videos of AA77 hitting it, the black boxes & all of what's on them, passengers' bodies, etc., etc.,....

all this talk about banning people, i dont understand why you dont ban the people that take up entire threads by starting fights.Shill Kings whole purpose is to get us to stop debating and talking, and to get us to attack him and his specious arguments.its worked masterfully on this thread, yet again.

Chris, don't give him so much credit. Sking and Terrence are just clowns here. Don't you see them with their big shoes, there round red nose and their rainbow curly hair? :)

While we're here arguing with the shills and each other, the slimeballs are moving forward with their next "terror attack".

As I understand it, there are two reasons for 911Bloggers.com:

1. Important, updated information on the movement and other 911 related issues.

2. Occassional discussion and comparing notes among those in the movement who are actually DOING SOMETHING (like Jon Gold and a number of other notables here).

That's how I see it, anyway.

Thank you dz, and the others for all you do. I'm just fed up with checking in on the comments section and seeing it littered with pointless spats (one or two of which I, unfortunately, have participated in myself).

oh, i dont give them credit, i'll give him and his kind a comment or 2 and then i ignore.there is no point in trying to carry on a thread long debate with someone like that.its not a debate at all, its a pissing match,and i usually dont get involved.

Let them prove it. Exactly.

Except they have no interest in discussing their fairy tales. So it's actually pretty much a one sided discussion. The other side is just represented by its shills. They will never get that plane to the Pentagon or make fire collapse steel skyscrapers. Their function is just to obfuscate the discussion and sow discord and division.

But remember that the country is basically divided down the middle on 9/11 - and this although the MSM and congress have ignored the matter for years. This is monumental achievement by the 9/11 truth movement. Just keep building on this. The longer the lying record of the Bush administration the fewer people will believe their 9/11 fairy tales. Lies don´t age well especially in this massive communication revolution we're in. And of course it's always impossible to prove falsehoods.

Jon,

Don't get taken in by the derranged trolls. I, myself, have decided not to deal with them anymore. Basically, anyone who thinks WTC 7 came down from anything other than a controlled demolition has some severe thinking problem, and is therefore not capable of intelligent discussion. For now on, I simply ignore them. It serves no useful purpose to respond to them.

Thanks Inside, Jon, spread the word!!!

If people really believe that fire led to the complete collapse of three steel skyscrapers on 9/11 2001 they should be ready to put this revolution in building history to practical use. So my advice to the 9/11 truth movement would be to put up a mock company called for instance Fire demolition, Inc. and offer stock. If you'll find ten idiots in the whole of the USA dumb enough to put meaningful money into such a company it'll be a miracle - I guess. This should tell you something about the real depth of the belief in these official fables.

Good one blob. But I'm shure the Sking and Terrence Circus would like to invest in that venture. :)

"While we're here arguing with the shills and each other, the slimeballs are moving forward with their next "terror attack".

As I understand it, there are two reasons for 911Bloggers.com:

1. Important, updated information on the movement and other 911 related issues.

2. Occassional discussion and comparing notes among those in the movement who are actually DOING SOMETHING (like Jon Gold and a number of other notables here).

That's how I see it, anyway.

Thank you dz, and the others for all you do. I'm just fed up with checking in on the comments section and seeing it littered with pointless spats (one or two of which I, unfortunately, have participated in myself).
Alex | 07.11.06 - 1:17 pm | #"

I check back in during a lunch break and you guys are still spatting?
Don't waste your time Jon. I say ignore them. If they question you then we (most of us) question them, so don't waste your energy here. It is needed much more elsewhere.

later

the truth is coming out, the only thing im worried about is what if thats just what they want???? thats drg's worst fear and mine too... but thats the only route that i know to take right now so on i go....

the truth is allways better if you ask me...

one good sign i got yesterday was when i brought it up with a total red neck i deal with all the time... i told his some main points and he said damn that sounds right... anyways i gave him two copies and he said he is going to look into it.... this was from a guy that asked me why i wasnt for the war in iraq... we will see what he says later....

No, I don´t think so.

This is a question of belief by official decree. People have been told to believe the official 9/11 story. It's about obeying orders. People have been conditioned to obey orders from their parents, the goverment and God. So now they obey orders to believe impossible things ! But this isn´t real belief based on individual examination of facts, it's manufactured belief. So, no you would find very few investors for Fire Demolition, Inc.

how does gold get all the media attention, when some of us contacted the media a few years ago

not that i want any attention, but i dont think gold has stated any opions or stated a position other than 9-11 was an inside job

I LOVE IT! THEIR BITCH HANNITY GETS LAID OUT ON FOX NEWS FOR A FEW MINUTES BY MR. BARRETT AND ALL THE NEOCON TROLLS COME OUT TO PLAY! LOL!!!! BWAHAHAHAAAAA! GETTING RESTLESS EH?!

"I want to see all the 238 airliner seats, the luggage, wings, the holes made by the wings, clear videos of AA77 hitting it, the black boxes & all of what's on them, passengers' bodies, etc., etc.,....
Anonymous | 07.11.06 - 1:08 pm | # "

I don't like to personally attack people, and I believe 9/11 was an inside job, but one of 911Bloggers' many Anonymous posters, if you don't understand the stupidity of your stated desires regarding the Pentagon, you should take a few minutes and actually think about why there aren't any seats, luggage or publicly released images of any bodies and/or body parts from the Pentagon attack -- it's easy, if you actually THINK about it logically and reasonbably with some common sense.

A 757 hit the Pentagon. If you think otherwise, you haven't done enough research. Try looking harder.

As for wing damage, here's two pics that show left-wing damage at the Pentagon from Flight 77.

1 - http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5261/leftwingimpactzone1gl.jpg

2 - http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/2641/woodsupports0mj.jpg

how hard do i have to look???? ive looked pretty hard....

As for wing damage, here's two pics that show left-wing damage at the Pentagon from Flight 77.

1 - http://img255.imageshack.us/ img2...pactzone1gl.jpg

2 - http://img274.imageshack.us/ img2...supports0mj.jpg

- Ø®£Z - | 07.11.06 - 2:59 pm | #

HAHAHHA!!!! youre crazy!!!

OK Genius...then where's the wing? OH....after it hit the outer wall of the Pentagon...it conveniently falls off and follows the rest of the aircraft into a hole small than the fuselage...where it's vaporized into thin air. Outstanding work young lad! You've broken the case wide open. You're a regular Sherlock Homo.

i don't know why you are debating but i want to say thanks to Keven for his great performance on TV.

I really laughted out loud at the end when he said sentences.

"OK Genius...then where's the wing? OH....after it hit the outer wall of the Pentagon...it conveniently falls off and follows the rest of the aircraft into a hole small than the fuselage...where it's vaporized into thin air. Outstanding work young lad! You've broken the case wide open. You're a regular Sherlock Homo.
Terrenceblowshisdad | 07.11.06 - 3:06 pm | # "

Do you understand that the plane was reportedly travelling at nearly 500/mph at time of impact?

Did you even look at those two pics? If you did you would have clearly seen that the left-wing impact damage clearly pointed out is NOT even where the fuselage impact hole is. So you either didn't look at the pics, or you didn't actually pay attention, or you don't even actually know the location of the fuselage impact hole.

Try looking harder, or actually paying attention.

The plane wasn't vaporized. I love how people continue using that word like it even has any relation to the Pentagon attack lol

The 757, upon impacting the Pentagon at nearly 500/mph, was almost entirely obliterated into tiny/small peices. The 757's wings which are not some solid stainless steel super structures, but basically hollow shells holding fuel were quickly obliterated upon impact. And I wrote nothing about wings "folding up and following the plane into the fuselage impact hole".

If you can't understand that, then I suggest watching this video to see what a plane travelling at nearly 500/mph looks like when it impacts a solid concrete wall, not too unlike the outer facade of the rinforced Pentagon, and is subsequently obliterated into tiny/small pieces. Make sure you pay attention and watch the whole video clip as there are many different angles and film speeds> http://www.sandia.gov/videos2005/F4-crash.asx

Quit being so dumb, or better yet, actually do some indepth research.

Homo?

lol

No.

Shut the fuck up.

Hey "symbol girl",

The Pentagon crap has been hashed over a million times. Take your argument to the mall.

It's not about what hit the Pentagon but rather that the Pentagon was actually hit by anything. 757, missile, balloon, migrating crane, hot dog, whatever...it doesn't matter. Nothing should have been able to hit that building...it's the friggin Pentagon for Christ's sake. That's the real issue here.

Now...go away kid. You're bothering me.

Go to

http://www.channel3000.com/news/9457154/detail.html

and vote!!!