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The New York Times Covers the Chicago Conference
500 Conspiracy Buffs Meet to Seek the Truth of 9/11 - NYTimes.com
For the record, I am not a 'conspiracy buff' - nor would I consider many of those at the conference 'conspiracy buffs'. In fact I am a concerned citizen that believes my own government was involved in 9/11 - an opinion that came after many months of reading and researching, an opinion I believe any open minded researcher would reach as well.
In the foyer, there were stick-pins for sale ("More gin, less Rummy"), and in the lecture halls discussions of the melting point of steel. "It's all documented," people said. Or: "The mass media is mass deception." Or, as strangers from the Internet shook hands: "Great to meet you. Love the work."
Such was the coming-out for the movement known as "9/11 Truth," a society of skeptics and scientists who believe the government was complicit in the terrorist attacks. In colleges and chat rooms on the Internet, this band of disbelievers has been trying for years to prove that 9/11 was an inside job.
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"We feel at this point we've done a lot of solid research, but the American public still is not informed," said Michael Berger, press director for 911Truth.org, which sponsored the event. "We had to come up with a disciplined approach to get it out."
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The former owner of a recycling plant outside St. Louis, Mr. Berger joined the movement when he grew skeptical of why the 9/11 Commission had failed, to his sense of sufficiency, to answer how the building at 7 World Trade Center collapsed like a ton of bricks. It was his "9/11 trigger," the incident that drew him in, he said. For others, it might be the fact that the air-defense network did not prevent the attacks that day, or the appearance of thousands of "puts" — or short-sell bids — on the nation's airline stocks. (The 9/11 Commission found the sales innocuous.)Such "red flags," as they are sometimes called, were the meat and potatoes of the keynote speech on Friday night by Alex Jones, who is the William Jennings Bryan of the 9/11 band. Mr. Jones, a syndicated radio host, is known for his larynx-tearing screeds against corruption — fiery, almost preacherly, addresses in which he sweats, balls his fists and often swerves from quoting Roman history to using foul language in a single breath.
I don't think I have ever seen Alex Jones use 'foul language', in fact he avoids it.
At the lectern Friday night, beside a digital projection reading "History of Government Sponsored Terrorism," Mr. Jones set forth the central tenets of 9/11 Truth: that the military command that monitors aircraft "stood down" on the day of the attacks; that President Bush addressed children in a Florida classroom instead of being whisked off to the White House; that the hijackers, despite what the authorities say, were trained at American military bases; and that the towers did not collapse because of burning fuel and weakened steel but because of a "controlled demolition" caused by pre-set bombs.
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Like a prior generation of skeptics — those who doubted, say, the Warren Commission or the government's account of the Gulf of Tonkin attack — the 9/11 Truthers are dogged, at home and in the office, by friends and family who suspect that they may, in fact, be completely nuts.
For those that missed it, the government released new documents at the end of last year proving that the Gulf of Tonkin never did occur, you can find them here.
It would even seem the Truthers are not alone in believing the whole truth has not come out. A poll released last month by Zogby International found that 42 percent of all Americans believe the 9/11 Commission "concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence" in the attacks. This is in addition to the Zogby poll two years ago that found that 49 percent of New York City residents agreed with the idea that some leaders "knew in advance" that the attacks were planned and failed to act.
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"I hope you don't end up dead somewhere," a companion said to a participant, hours earlier as he dropped him at the Loop. "Don't worry," the participant said. "There's too many of us for that."
I did hear/see a few responses at the plaza including being flipped the bird, and "I hope the terrorists drop a bomb right here and kill all of you" - typical emotional responses.
Be sure to send the author of this article, Alan Feuer, a thank you and encourage him to continue his coverage of the subject. You can find an email link to him on this page here.
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A new hit
A new hit piece...
Just a point to prove the
Just a point to prove the media is not a arm of the people is simple, the downing street memo... It took a month for the media to cover the documents, a month for a strategy to developed, a month before the words about this damning news was aired on national TV.
Who takes a month to read a one page document, acknowledged by the British government as being correct? Someone not working for the people, someone who is told what is important, who is told what to say and doesnÂ’t decide what is relevant.
The fact that "the facts were being fixed around the policy", is a ghostly reminder of how far they are willing to go to get paid; damn the rest of and damn the truth.
2/13/2001 - 3 weeks after
2/13/2001 - 3 weeks after Bush Co, takes office, NY Times reporter Alan Feuer instantly goes from Regional NY Sports writer to Terrorism writer?
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/f/alan_feuer/...
again - it appears that the
again - it appears that the phrase "conspiracy theory" is a catch-all phrase for denigrating entire bodies of well-vetted research. It is a way of referring to the work of historians and legitimate researchers as "tin foil hat"-types. Its insulting and clearly out of proportion to the existing body of knowledge - and i think it is somewhat of a psychological failsafe for people - an intellectual cul-de-sac - a way of avoiding personal responsibility to truly educate themselves on the facts.
When Germany descended into fascism - the intellectuals were the first casualties. And when I see America's brightest and most respected intellectuals and scholars (such as David Ray Griffin) - with impeccable lifelong records in academia, ethics, scholarly research and public service - suddenly taking a backseat to media "pundits" who refer to them as "conspiracy theorists" - I would really challenge to you weigh that in your mind.
New York Times is owned by
New York Times is owned by the people who profited from attacks, so expecting it to report the 9/11 truth movement objectively is naive.
Nevertheless, any hit piece is publicity.
great article - captured the
great article - captured the enthusiasm of the movement rather than dig into the meat of the evidence.
this is why Chicago was so important
if it was a hit piece, it
if it was a hit piece, it hit quite softly - maybe that was what the writer had to do to get it past the paper board.
People! You're not going to
People! You're not going to get a better chance to defend the 9/11 truth movement at Alternet: 9/11: Wild Conspiracies and Rational Concerns; By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted June 5, 2006. There are already 104 comments there.
Great point John.
Great point John. "Conspiracy theorist" has many negative connotations that do NOT apply to men like David Ray Griffin & Steven Jones.
have any UK readers heard
have any UK readers heard about the false flag warnings for today?
Congratulations to us
Congratulations to us all!
Plus, the keepers of this blog should change the logo. This is no longer "alternative news" :)
Yes thanks Matthew we have
Yes thanks Matthew we have them posted on our board www.nineeleven.co.uk
hey andrew - thats where I
hey andrew - thats where I got the info from myself!
I post as 'is'.
just wondered if anyone else
just wondered if anyone else had heard it and how seriously they take the numerology stuff.
I don't pay much attention
I don't pay much attention to occult stuff - maybe I should. That devil-in-the-smoke effect was scary though, but it bore an uncanny resemblance to studio design work.
My only concern about
My only concern about 06/06/06 is that some nut-job could use it as an excuse to do something stupid.
Joshua Holland @ AlterNet is
Joshua Holland @ AlterNet is a typical fraud. He just added an "extra" article that includes this b.s., & more:
"Yet, despite the well-crafted videos and "independent research" -- I think that the World Trade Center was brought down by airplanes -- including building 7 -- that flight 77 did, in fact, hit the Pentagon and that flight 93 was not shot down by a jetfighter (although, when it comes to "Let's roll!" and all that, who knows what actually happened on that flight deck?)."
HTF was WTC-7 brought down by airplanes???
Lot more to UA93 than shot down or not shot down!!!
that's why i am such a pain
that's why i am such a pain in the ass when it comes to physical evidence.
now - if you can get this guy to explain why a two-star general ordered Lt. Col Anthony Shaffer to ignore Atta - and put yellow stickers over his face.....
Personally (and i usually do not give opinions) - Atta was a paid patsy - an invented persona - more associated with oraganized crime (drug smuggling, etc etc) than Al Qaeda. His ties to Huffman, and Sun Cruz and Vegas SMACKS of organized crime, drug running and money laundering.
John, let's use both
John, let's use both physical & behavioral evidence. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Of course Atta & his buddies were patsies, probably drug-trafficers in training. They were coke-head, lap-dance, party-boys; NOT "Muslim jihadists."
The writing must really be
The writing must really be on the wall for the Perps if the Bible bashers are getting wise to, and mad about, 911 truth .
That should have read : The
That should have read :
The writing must really be on the wall for the Perps if the Bible bashers are getting wise to, and crazy about, 911 truth .
Geez, even religous fanatics
Geez, even religous fanatics are beginning to see that Bush is Lucifer!
I agree that BOTH physical
I agree that BOTH physical and non-physical evidence are important.
I just stick to what i know.
My only concern about
My only concern about 06/06/06 is that some nut-job could use it as an excuse to do something stupid.
John Albanese | 06.05.06 - 12:04 pm
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You talking about an independent nut job, or one of the nut jobs that run the USA/UK?
Fair enough. IMO, any
Fair enough.
IMO, any honest, sincere person who merely devotes 2 hours of his/her life to watch LC2E followed by EGLS, would have to conclude that most or all of 9/11 was an inside job. There is just no way we should not demand answers to all of the outrageous questions & evidence exposed in those 2 videos!
just because our evangelical
just because our evangelical leaders do not believe in dinosaurs - but make all their money from fossil fuels - does not make them crazy. It makes them rich.
dz, you wrote: "" I don't
dz, you wrote:
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I don't think I have ever seen Alex Jones use 'foul language', in fact he avoids it.
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Alex Jones does in fact avoid the use of cuss words. Alex just said on his show in reading over this New York Times article that what he did was quote Lyndon Baines Johnson saying to his admirals concerning the U.S.S. Liberty, "I want that goddamned ship going to the bottom!"
I've only ever heard Alex Jones use a cuss word once our twice, and I've been listening to him since well before the 9/11 attacks.
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For the record, I am not a 'conspiracy buff' - nor would I consider many of those at the conference 'conspiracy buffs'. In fact I am a concerned citizen that believes my own government was involved in 9/11 - an opinion that came after many months of reading and researching, an opinion I believe any open minded researcher would reach as well.
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People who attempt to support the government's line often use words and phrases such as "conspiracy buff" or "conspiracy theory," etc., as an ad hominem attack.
So far as conspiracies go, they are ubiquitous. Everyone is in agreement that the 9/11 attacks were the result of a conspiracy. But those who are genuinely knowledgeable and care about the truth reject fallacious conspiracy theories, such as the U.S. government's lying, self-serving, a-historical, a-factual, and provably false official fairy tale conspiracy theory concerning the 9/11 attacks.
More than four times the amount of non-combatants have been systematically murdered for purely ideological reasons by their own governments within the past century than were killed in that same time-span from wars. From 1900 to 1923, various Turkish regimes killed from 3,500,000 to over 4,300,000 of its own Armenians, Greeks, Nestorians, and other Christians. Communist governments have murdered over 110 million of their own subjects since 1917. And Germany murdered some 16 million of it own subjects in the past century. (The preceding figures are from Prof. Rudolph Joseph Rummel's website at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/ .)
All totaled, neither the private-sector crime which government is largely responsible for promoting and causing or even the wars committed by governments upon the subjects of other governments come anywhere close to the crimes government is directly responsible for committing against its own citizens--certainly not in amount of numbers. Without a doubt, the most dangerous presence to ever exist throughout history has always been the people's very own government.
Needless to say, all of these government mass-slaughters were conspiracies--massive conspiracies, at that.
Maureen Dowd: "The
Maureen Dowd: "The controlled-demolition theory is the sine qua non of the 9/11 movement — its basic claim and, in some sense, the one upon which all others rest."
"Its basic claim"? Really?
Well, there you have it: this is how it's going to be spun. From Popular Mechanics to the New York Times, they're all telling us that the indispensable claim - the very essence of 9/11 Truth - is this:
The insistence that the towers were blown up.
In light of the Pentagon's careful stoking of the "no-plane" myth, Dowd's Maureen Dowd: "The controlled-demolition theory is the sine qua non of the 9/11 movement — its basic claim and, in some sense, the one upon which all others rest."
"Its basic claim"? Really?
Well, there you have it: this is how it's being spun. From Popular Mechanics to the New York Times, they're all telling us that the indispensable claim - the very essence of 9/11 Truth - is this:
The insistence that the towers were blown up.
In light of the Pentagon's careful stoking of the "no-plane" myth, Dowd's "sine qua non" twaddle is just further evidence that Ruppert was absolutely right: this "physical evidence" stuff is a fly-trap - and too many sceptics have flown slap-bang into it already.
- Sine qua non:
Gwynne Dyer, a relatively
Gwynne Dyer, a relatively mainstream Canadian war commentator who subscribes to the official 9/11 story, nonetheless notes the following in an article for the Cyprus Mail:
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"There is no shadowy but powerful network waging a terrorist war against the West: the whole thing is a fantasy. There are isolated small groups of extremists who blow things up once in a while, and there are web-sites and other media through which they can exchange ideas and techniques, but there is no headquarters, no chain of command, no organisation that can be defeated, dismantled and destroyed.
There never was much of an Islamist "terrorist network" anyway – certainly nothing to compare with the extensive co-operation between the extreme left-wing "urban guerrilla" groups of the developed world (Germany's Baader-Meinhof Gang, Italy's Red Brigades, the Japanese Red Army, etc.) and the various Palestinian groups of secular nationalist radicals in the 1970-1985 period. Even in al Qaeda's heyday, before the US invasion of Afghanistan effectively beheaded it in 2001, there were only a few hundred core members.
According to US intelligence estimates, between 30,000 and 70,000 volunteers passed through al Qaeda's training camps in Afghanistan in 1996-2001, but their long-term impact on the world has been astonishingly small. The average annual number of Islamist terrorist attacks in Arab and other Muslim countries has been no greater in the past five years than in the previous ten or twenty. For most of the people who went to Afghanistan in those years, it was a rite of passage or an exotic form of ideological tourism, not the start of a lifelong career as a terrorist.
The West has been even less affected. The 9/11 attacks on the United States were a spectacularly successful fluke, killing almost 3,000 people, but there have been no further Islamist attacks in the US. The two subsequent attacks that did occur in the West, in Madrid in 2004 and in London last year, cost the lives of 245 people. And those attacks were both carried out by local people with no links to any "international terrorist network".
The contrast between the received wisdom – that the world, or at least the West, is engaged in a titanic, unending struggle against a powerful terrorist organisation of global reach – and the not very impressive reality is so great that most people in the West believe the official narrative rather than the evidence of their own eyes. There must be a major terrorist threat; otherwise, the government is wrong or lying, the intelligence agencies are wrong or self-serving, the media are fools or cowards, and the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with fighting terrorism." ...
Full article at http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=26228&cat_id=1











Congratulations to everyone.
Congratulations to everyone. Les Jamieson was funny... "I had to go to Chicago to get the New York Times to cover 9/11 Truth."