Check out this excerpt regarding Philip Zelikow on Wikipedia:

"Prof. Zelikow's area of academic expertise is the creation and maintenance of, in his words, “public myths” or “public presumptions,” which he defines as “beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community." In his academic work and elsewhere he has taken a special interest in what he has called “‘searing’ or ‘molding’ events [that] take on ‘transcendent’ importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the experiencing generation passes from the scene."

I guess it makes sense that the one appointed Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission is an expert in the art of creation and maintenance of public (political) myths.

"Might want to have a barf bag handy, though, if you decide to click the link."

I took a look at those repulsive pics...thanks for the barf bag warning.

Howy fuck!

That was a great appearance by Mr. Mike Berger. Hats off to him.

He had the MSNBC host scrambling for any and all interuption chances, talk over and don't let Mike Berger be heard chances, change the subject chances, and was sounding like a complete moron lol

Then when the MSNBC host went to Steve Emerson's opinion, Steve Emerson was stuttering, flustered, babbling, and sounding like a moron also.

Even though Mike Berger didn't get to finish explaining anything in any complete manner because he was routinely and rudely interupted throughout, he still did a great job, looking and sounding a lot more sane, knowledgable and professional than the MSNBC host and Steve Emerson.

That video's going in my YouTube favorites.

Thanks. That was great. It made my day.

dz: "how ironic that the discussion of the turning point of our modern day society can't get 10 minutes of real discussion [on mainstream broadcasts]. but of course the emotionally driven coverage is no problem to come by."

Great point.

But, at least, with appearances like that of Mike Berger on MSNBC, 9/11 truth side is really starting to win on unprecedented levels.

Hey Nick,
that's an interesting bit of info. on Smerconish.
He'll probably be called Smearaccomplished from this interview forward.

FYI, the new better quality WMV from the youtube stream is up, and apparently his definition of FEMA was wrong too ;)

It's so maddening the MSM focuses on the pentagon and wtc theories, when they never go after the hardcore PROVABLE stuff like FBI obstruction, foreknowlege, Pakistani ISI, fighter jet standdowns, Sibel Edmonds findings, etc.

The MSM always brings up the pentagon theories, but I also fault people for making that such a big rallying point.

Hopefully this documentary gets in a lot of theatres and wakes people up in a way no cable show can:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-330418413919565384&q=Press+for+...

That was really something. Congratulations Mike Berger. Job well done, everyone.

Yes, Mike Berger did a great job.
He was prepared to do an even better job, but obviously they couldn't allow him to.

767s did not hit the WTC).

(oops; text [pre]view is in tiny typeface; should be larger, esp. for people who can't read...)
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"How ironic that the discussion of the turning point of our modern day society can't get 10 minutes of real discussion."

That's as good a summary as I've ever heard of this issue, or what's going on in the MSM and our society.

"Go fuck yourself!"

This is clearly audible at the end of the clip, when the Substitute says to the Shill who came on after Berger, "Oh by the way, are you standing in the grassy knoll right now?"

Somebody audibly responds, "Go fuck yourself!"

Who was this? Doesn't sound like the Shill, or Berger. Probably someone on the crew, responding viscerally to the Substitute's stupidity and not realizing a channel is open so that it goes out over the air.

Now that's what I want to hear more of!

Take heart friends.

Tonights broadcast was major media damage control.

9/11 Truth is having an impact.

The establishment is getting nervous.

We don't need the major media to in order to spread our message.

Look how far we've come without them.

Despite any picky perfectionist criticisms of Mike Berger, this movement has come a long way.

how ironic that the discussion of the turning point of our modern day society can't get 10 minutes of real discussion.

very well put.
so the mcmedia glosses over and distracts from, if not ignoring outright the obvious fallacy of the official fairytale. why would that be?
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"so the mcmedia glosses over and distracts from, if not ignoring outright the obvious fallacy of the official fairytale. why would that be?"

Yeah, isn't it fucking shocking? At this point it's becoming increasingly difficult to distinguish between the media and the 9/11 perps. They are so inextricably joined together it will be difficult to extricate one from the other when all is said and done.

bravo for berger. i think his approach and demeanor does well for the movement. i also think that it was visible that, if given the chance, he would have plenty more to say beyond the confines of talking points tv.

WTC-7 tenant did banking for 9/11 patsies
http://valis.gnn.tv/B16153

No big surprise, Michael Smerconish is an establishment whore:

http://www.mastalk.com/mastalk/photos.jspx

Scroll down to "Government/Politics" pics. Might want to have a barf bag handy, though, if you decide to click the link.

What the heck was that all about?

We have to remember that the 9/11 perpetrators and their supporters in MSM are going to resist this hand, tooth and nail, and with every dirty trick in the book. So have to keep our cool and keep learning.
My congratulations therefore to Mr. Berger, I think he did a fine job given the circumstances.

Nice interview by Berger, he was articulate and got as many points across as he could. If he had been on Oprah, the number of Americans accepting a coverup would skyrocket.

He forgot to mention Larry Silverstein's
confession.

I'd like to see them play that. Bu tof course they would insist he didn't actually mean that.

Steve Berger did a fantastic job considering the host, and maintained great composure.

Steve Emerson's biography indicates that he is a paranoid freak who thinks terrorists from South America are constantly attempting to assasinate him.

Who's the conspiracy theorist out of the two?

MSM Asshole: "Knock my socks off . . ."

Berger: Roll the clip of Building #7

MSM Asshole: Ok, here's the clip, but I'm not going to let you talk about it . . . knock my socks off with something about the PENTAGON . . .

***

Where does MSM get these jackboot thug "interviewers"?

I wrote an email to them pretending to be an anti-conspiracy theorist who was worried that Emerson's false claims would undermine the official story.

I said they were undermining the hard work of those who are intent on disproving these 'distasteful conspiracies'

thought it would throw another angle in

peace

"Go fuck yourself!"

This is clearly audible at the end of the clip, when the Substitute says to the Shill who came on after Berger, "Oh by the way, are you standing in the grassy knoll right now?"

Somebody audibly responds, "Go fuck yourself!"

Who was this? Doesn't sound like the Shill, or Berger. Probably someone on the crew, responding viscerally to the Substitute's stupidity and not realizing a channel is open so that it goes out over the air.

Now that's what I want to hear more of!"

Sorry to disappoint you Nick, but that was me. :)

sorry, the version with the 'go fuck yourself' clip isn't linked above anymore, but i'm sure gold can fill a request if needed ;)

Sorry, but I thought Mike Berger was very weak last night. Too wishy-washy, indecisive, etc. (I actually have to agree w/911 Blimp for once, below.)

I wish Michael Smerconish's was asking Alex Jones to knock his socks off! Alex would have hit him with everything but the kitchen sink!

Jeers, not cheers, to Mike Berger who, when asked if the 9-11 Commission got it wrong, couldn't respond affirmatively (IOW, despite multiple openings/opportunities, he never would simply say "yes" to that question). What a weaseley wimp of a 911 truther Mike Berger turned out to be -- and that's giving him a huge benefit of my large doubt after the way he wasted limited time promoting the notion that 767s hit the WTC by referring to unsubstantiated hearsay evidence (which is especially inexcusable given all the the far more solid evidence which indicates that 767s did not not the WTC).

But, hey; that's what fake opponents do for one another...
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911blimp | Homepage | 06.20.06 - 1:26 am | #

Mike Burger needs to learn not to talk lamely when someone asks him "if the 9-11 Commission got it wrong"? (Damn right they got it wrong, and then you tell 'em why.)

I enjoyed Smerconnish's "how could a conspiracy have as many as 10 people involved!?" : ) My Lord, what a piece of Samsonite.

Steve Emerson's entire career hinges on the existance of al-Qaeda and the imaginary War on Terror cash cow. How odd he would be in on any cover-up.

This was Tucker Carlson Part 2: show a few seconds of video, don't let them get too many points in, steer it back to the Pentagon and make it all hinge on "body recovery" of bodies no one but the Perps ever claim to have seen.

You're going to see just enough tidbits of 9/11 to keep the issue bubbling under the radar, while the fake elements of the Truth Movement rake in more DVD sales, and the issue is kept on the back burner until it's time for the big LIHOP revelation: "It's was just a few rotten eggs dat done it!".

This was a great segment and I wrote MSNBC to thank them. Berger did a great job. Of the 3 people in the segment, he came across the best.

The media is having to acknowledge questions about 9/11 because so much of the public is getting information from Loose Change and other videos being circulated. The media's acknowledgement of the questions spreads the word even more; if they could just ignore the topic entirely, as they have for the last 5 years, they would love to do that. But they can't.

I have not watched MSM for over four years and encourage others to not
be involved with Jewish controlled media.

Have you ever tried telling one of your neighbors about what you think
really happened on 9/11, or in Iraq, or in New Orleans, as opposed to
the way your local TV news reported it?

Observe the stress on the faces of people considering these questions?
Pain, followed by evasion, and a shuffling of the feet. Most people
know, but are afraid to say it.

Welcome to the gatekeepersÂ’ perceptual gap, better known as the
mindlock. As our thoughts become frozen by ambivalence and fear, no one
can really answer the question of why we choose to believe lies when
the truth is right in front of us.

On the one hand, the world runs on the predetermined commercial lies we
are told every day. But at the same time, we also think — after first
suddenly lowering our voices and glancing furtively around to make sure
no one inappropriate is listening — that we don't really believe the
stories our government and TV people have told us is true.

In the silence of this dichotomy dwells the fear everyone is feeling.
It is impossible to feel both things and stay sane, and the political
condition of the world reflects this confusion.

This is the gap between spin and substance. It is run by the
gatekeepers. Gatekeepers are those who process information but withhold
some crucial detail. In pursuit of self-advantage, we are all
gatekeepers, in some respects.

More recently, gatekeepers has been the word chosen to denote phony
patriots like Amy Goodman and Noam Chomsky, and phony websites like
Truthout, rense.com, and 911truth, which pretend to be in hot pursuit
of truth, but inevitably wind up down some dead end street with nothing
to show for the words invested except debunked fantasies and endlessly
debatable lists of minutia that prevent people from keeping their eye
on the ball.

The key to the solution of many of the world's problems — which is
Jewish control of the money and media supply — is deliberately avoided
by these gatekeepers. They hammer free speech into autism by creating
laws that make no sense except to those trying to limit and control the
thoughts of everyone else. And we worry ourselves into early graves,
speeded along by the poisons from which so many predators profit.

Gatekeeping is intrinsic to human behavior. If you don't love someone,
or if you don't respect them, then they very often become enemies, or
prey, mostly in the financial sense. One can't be expected to not act
in one's best interests, now can one? So that information presented by
anyone becomes a probe for personal advantage. And taken species-wide,
that has never kept the peace, has it? Exploitation is the lifeblood of
humanity.

Trouble is ... as Americans we grew up with a certain degree of
civility, a process in which most of us truly believed. It was only
when we got past 30 that it began to dawn on us that this smooth veneer
of civilized society with which we had been presented was — and had
been — anything but that.

It generally takes perspectives from around the world to profoundly
perceive the behavior of the USA over time. Most Americans have no clue
about the validity of the phrase "we are as others see us."

Fact is, Bubba, the rest of the world sees Americans as conscienceless,
drug-addled, sex-crazed killers. Yet American media portrays Cowboy
Bush and his mad-dog, Israeli-coached saboteurs as heroes worthy of
status and praise. Now that is the power of the Jewish media. A vivid
glimpse of the gap of the gatekeepers.

Judith Miller of the New York Times single-handedly got the U.S. into
the poisoned war in Iraq with her phony source stories in this beacon
of American journalism. a Jewish enterprise if there ever was one.

William Randolph Hearst famously said, "You furnish the pictures; I'll
furnish the war." His father hit it big in the California gold rush,
and always consulted Jews before proceeding in business.

Jewish-generated hatred of Muslims expressed through thousands of TV
anchors into the minds of the populace got most of us to believe that
Islamic terrorists ran planes into the Twin Towers. Five years later,
there exists not a shred of evidence to prove this was so, except for
what has been fabricated by the Israeli-controlled Pentagon.

So, where was it you said you got your information?

TV and newspapers? Only now, five years later, is the Los Angeles Times
running regular stories about the “possibility” of a 9/11 scam?

The deflective apparatus has been put in place. Phony Palestinian talk
show hosts. Jews posing as Israeli critics. And a 9/11 skeptics
movement that has been stonewalled, denigrated and ripped apart by
calculated infighting. Sure, the New York Times can write
condescendingly about college professor conspiracy theorists at a
conference that was set up not to address the real issue in the first
place.

A double layer of gatekeeping doublespeak.

So you seek refuge, some kind of sanity, on the Internet? And how do
you determine who's real and who's not? Answer: you very often don't.

But you know the guys on TV are fake. Just listen to how they never
criticize Israel. Even as Israeli soldiers shoot Palestinian children
in the head for sport. Even as our own American army is being destroyed
by poison ammunition given to them by their own erstwhile leaders.
Could I please have an "Amen! That's treason!"?

Yet, the newspapers yammer on about American bravery. What is the name
of the latest fabricated terrorist? Who are our heroes all coming home
in boxes or at least deformed in some profound way? And what do our
leaders say about it?

LetÂ’s ask Madeleine Albright, another closet Jew who supposedly
“discovered” her ethnicity only recently. “We think the cost was worth
it,” was her famous line about the deaths of a half-million Iraqi
children BEFORE the real invasion of Iraq even happened.

And what newspaper did you read that in? Maybe one or two, but you sure
as hell never heard it on TV. And then if you did, you probably didnÂ’t
listen to it anyway.

Who do we not want to hear the words we really feel inside? What
penalty will we incur if our inmost thoughts reach the wrong ears?

And what are we actually permitted to say making honest observations
about American behavior, and not get thrown in jail? What are we
actually allowed to think?

As Donn deGrande Pre once said, the enemy is way inside our gates.

Perhaps it may be that only until we see accurately inside ourselves
will we be able to accurately realize what has been done to the world
in our names, and hang our heads in shame.

Amanda, do you just go around re-posting what John Kaminski writes?

"while the fake elements of the Truth Movement rake in more DVD sales"

So anyone who sells a DVD is part of the "Fake Element" of the movement?

That doesn't make any sense.

I admire anyone who's given a movie away for free. However, money makes the world go 'round. We can't fight this battle without money.

Those who make money, and put it back into the movement, deserve EVERY cent they get.

Without money, dz would NEVER be able to put ads on places like Rawstory. Without donations, 911Truth.org would NEVER have been able to hold the Chicago event.

Take Notice! Berger (and others) must come out swinging when given merely 3 minutes to explain 9/11. For example:

WTC-7 was over 350 feet from the nearest tower, scattered small fires inside, & it imploded like a controlled demolition. Furthermore, Larry Silverstein, the lease holder, is on video saying he & the fire chief, “pulled-it.”

The only video released at the Pentagon shows something that does not look like a B-757 flying a few feet off the ground. What is it? Why is the govÂ’t refusing to release any of the 80 additional videos? How could the most secure building in the world not even have a clear video of what struck it, etc.!

Now, is that so hard to do?^

Those who make money, and put it back into the movement, deserve EVERY cent they get.

and those who bust ass 40 hrs a week so they can contribute deserve respect too..

shit, i bust ass so i can afford this website, others are lucky enough to have their trips to chicago or LA funded, but at the end of the day it does take money to cause affective change - so go get a 2nd or 3rd job, and send it all my way, it will go to good use, not my pocket ;)

So anyone who sells a DVD is part of the "Fake Element" of the movement?

That doesn't make any sense.
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That's not at all what I was implying, Jon. I simply mean that there are enough phony Truth elements that it's worthwhile to them to keep the debate alive.

But the real usefulness of the upcoming LIHOP "unveiling" is going to be political.

Michael Smerconish made more of a big deal of the Zogby Poll than Berger did! Something is not quite right with that Michael Berger.)

dz... if I were compensated for the amount of time I've spent on this... under my current salary... I should be getting $3001.60 a week. Instead, I've gotten $50 in donations.

People have GOT to start putting their money where their mouth is.

Not to me... I don't want your money. I was just making a point.

Berger did fine considering the media pundit did his very best to try and control the content of the conversation.

Piss off, AmandaReconwith, with your anti-Jewish B.S. You can't blame an entire race of people for the crimes of a few. You are not helping. You are hurting the cause.

The only thing Berger did that I didn't like was not give an affirmative YES to the first question.

If LIHOP were to be presented by the govÂ’t this late in the game, the entire 9/11 LIE would explode in their faces like the towers did. Too many big people have relentlessly lied and aided the cover-up. They will all stand out like sore thumbs and won't be able to weasel out of it.

Let me say this: I've been a preipheral participant of this movement, for about 2.5 years now. I make boot DVD's in my basement, and hand them out everywhere. I fly a lot, and I leave LC2 in the seat pocket in front of me almost every time I fly. I buy Dylan's "imperfect" spindles and go nuts.

So, I doin't have the emotionally-invested blood, sweat and tears that those like Jon here have. And perhaps it's easier for me to admit now that a lot of this "movement" is being managed by the Perps, through their media whores.

The overiding gameplan, as I see it, is to allow a watered-down LIHOP to come out, for political purposes, when it's time to knock another big chunk out of the wall of U.S. sovereignty, in prep for global oversight. It'll be used to foster growing distrust in the government, and push the Perps further INTO power.

But anything we see on TV is being carefully manipulated, so as to keep the issue alive, but always contain it's scope.

If LIHOP were to be presented by the govÂ’t this late in the game, the entire 9/11 LIE would explode in their faces like the towers did. Too many big people have relentlessly lied and aided the cover-up. They will all stand out like sore thumbs and won't be able to weasel out of it.
Anonymous | 06.20.06 - 11:58 am | #
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No. You're underestimating the power of a controlled media. When you control the story and public's access to it, you totally control it's effect - it comes out when you want it, how you want it, and it conforms to everything you've said in the past that you've decided to stick to.

How do they get stories like Haditha to happen precisely when they need them to misdirect attention? They don't tell soldiers to shoot civilians. I hate to say it, but soldiers probably murder civilians every friggin week. All you do is NOT REPORT them until you need the story. This is a simple equation.

But Rumpl, a aweful lot of people are going to get stunned out of their sleep if the gov't admits any LIHOP at this point. Instead of 3% of the population being truthers, you could have 50%! Then all hell would break loose! (Fine by me.)

Has anyone seen this?

"BYU Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples, Building Collapses an Inside Job
author: Jacob Hamblin

Based on chemical analysis of WTC structural steel residue, a Brigham Young University physics professor has identified the material as Thermate. Thermate is the controlled demolition explosive thermite plus sulfur. Sulfur cases the thermite to burn hotter, cutting steel quickly and leaving trails of yellow colored residue.
wtc steel with diagonal cut, thermate residue
Prof. Steven Jones, who conducted his PhD research at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center and post-doctoral research at Cornell University and the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility, has analyised materials from WTC and has detected the existence of thermate, used for "cutting" the steel support columns, as evident in the photo below.

Dr. Jones is a co-founder of Scholars for 911 Truth.

Dr. Jones in earlier work pointed to thermate as the likely explosive that brought down the WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 skyscrapers. But only recently was physical material analysed in the lab and the presense of thermate announced. The samples were provided Dr. Jones team from redundant sourses.

Both BYU and Prof. Jones have been offered additional grants if he would "change the direction" of his research. In addition, there have been threats made by an individual who "is taking action" to stop Steven Jones' research, specifically his experiment with thermites (aluminothermics), on the grounds his work may be helpful to "terrorists". Jones notes that much more detailed information on both thermite and thermate is readily available on the internet. "

Oh, the mass media have been EXTREMELY crucial for the cover-up. No way could they have gotten this far without their tremendous control over the media.

Prof Jones clearly scares the heck out of the perpetrators. I love it.

But Rumpl, a aweful lot of people are going to get stunned out of their sleep if the gov't admits any LIHOP at this point. Instead of 3% of the population being truthers, you could have 50%! Then all hell would break loose! (Fine by me.)
Anonymous | 06.20.06 - 12:07 pm | #
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I'm not talking about a front page article in the NYT tomorrow. I'm talking about a slow, deliberate drift towards more and more suspicion of what may have "really happened."

Eventually, it is revealed that yes - "certain elements" of the government apparently were in a position to know what was coming... and after much personal torment, instead of warning us or stopping them, they just let it happen. Poor lost souls, they knew the danger of this highly-organized global terror networkm and simply made the judgement call that some needed to be sacrificed in order to protect the country.

Weeping, pathos-laced testimony, of course.

I've finished my critique of Gravois' piece in "The Chronicle of Higher Education"

Mobbing 9/11; Gravois as Screech Owl (P.1)
http://www.gnn.tv/B16149

(P.2)
http://www.gnn.tv/B16163

Couldn't Prof Jones, DRG, Zwicker, Fetzer, et al, hold a round-table discussion on C-Span or make a video of it or something? Seems like that could open up the truth quite a bit.

If the new 9/11 comes, it will likely be under the guise of a government drill or exercise. As Operation Mongoose was used to bootleg the JFK assassination, and as Nine Lives was used to conduit the Hinckley hit on Reagan in 1981, we have seen how the 9/11 events were run through the fifteen plus drills going on that morning. We have seen the London explosions of July 7, 2005 carried out under the aegis of Atlantic Blue (UK), Topoff 3 (US), and Triple Play (Canada), plus Visor Consultants. Our movement was able to block Sudden Response 05 in Charleston, South Carolina, last August. It shall be the policy of our movement to monitor, identify, expose, denounce, and shut down WMD drills and exercises which threaten to go live in the form of real attacks anywhere in the world. It is our urgent duty to inoculate populations against this notorious trick of the rogue networks.

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20060618120559302

please avoid placing blame on entire races such as the 'jews', or the 'blacks', or the 'mexicans'.Edited By Siteowner

Prof Jones clearly scares the heck out of the perpetrators. I love it.
Anonymous | | 06.20.06 - 12:13 pm | #

IMHO Dr. Griffin scares the crap out of them even more - none will have him on his show, it would be like beeting up an old man who is 10x your intellect. (not to say Dr. Griffin is old by any means ;) )

altho Dr. Jones is steadily on a march to incontrovertable analysis.

Ah, yes, I see what you mean, Rumpl. Interesting point.

(I'd almost say that what Michael Berger did last night in holding back so much. Release the pressure valve very gradually, let the people catch on very, very slowly, w/certainly no front-page headlines, etc.)

http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/scarborough.gif

THIS SHOULD BE VERY INTERESTING!!!

22 June 2006:
Interview: Jim Fetzer will be the guest
discussing 9/11 with Hannity & Colmes
6-7:00 PM/PT (9-10:00 PM/ET) FOX TV

One of the typical tactics of mainstream media when having on a truther is to cut them off before really bringout out evidence. It happens every time.

before they really bring out evidence :)

Jon, itÂ’s a very scholarly site too. HereÂ’s another headline, "Dolphin Married to a British Jew Vomits and Dies. Can You Blame Him?" LOL!

Let it go. AmandaReconWith should be banned, and we should move on.

One of the typical tactics of mainstream media when having on a truther is to cut them off before really bringout out evidence. It happens every time.
before they really bring out evidence

True, this is such a simple, yet very effective technique.

Jon, kindly don't answer Pentagon questions like a shill would. Just lay off it if you don't feel comfortable going there.

Personally, I'm SICK AND TIRED of the media ignoring all of the hard work we've done simply by emgaging the one theory they had a hand in developing.

Do you know how they developed to develop the "Missile/Pentagon" theory?

By refusing to release the video evidence. That, in and of itself, is why people started thinking that something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

That, and by releasing two videos that show absolutely nothing. You're going to tell me that the Pentagon has one video surveillance camera in the parking lot, and that's it?

You want to know why I never say anything other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon?

Because I'm terrified that 1 of the 84 videos they're holding show Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon.

If you fault me for that, then I'm sorry, but I personally have worked TOO hard, and devoted too much of my life to this, and I don't want to see it go down the tubes as simply as that.

Wow, I'm a shitty typer.

"Jon, kindly don't answer Pentagon questions like a shill would. Just lay off it if you don't feel comfortable going there."

So asking if the Government planted the plane parts is acting like a shill? No, I think asking if the Government planted plane parts is a way of showing how ridiculous the idea that something other than a plane, hit the Pentagon. Whether it was Flight 77 or not, I honestly don't have a clue, and amazingly enough, neither do you.

Do you know why? Cause there's no video in existence that shows what hit the Pentagon.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass.

THE MEDIA OBVIOUSLY FOCUSES ON THE PENTAGON FOR A REASON. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT REASON IS?!?

Fair enough, Jon. We should demand that they release the other videos, but nearly 5 years later, I wouldn't believe any video they present now anyway.

at the end of the day that subject is divisive.. when people argue it one way or the other it ticks off a chunk of 9/11 skeptics on one side or another.. its a lose/lose.. not to say that ppl should be afraid to talk about it, just making the point.

"at the end of the day that subject is divisive.. when people argue it one way or the other it ticks off a chunk of 9/11 skeptics on one side or another.. its a lose/lose.. not to say that ppl should be afraid to talk about it, just making the point."

If you were given the opportunity to go on National Television to talk about 9/11 Truth, would you lead by saying, "A missile hit the Pentagon"?

Do you know why? Cause there's no video in existence that shows what hit the Pentagon.

Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.20.06 - 2:52 pm | #
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Then why are you fearful of a non-existant video? If they whip out a 77 crash video, it's going to be obviously CGI.

I agree to weigh our chickens carefully before we slaughter them. In fact, I now advocate staying away from technical arguments - you have to be brain-dead to assume there's nothing wrong with the story, and anyone who continues to argue there isn't is simply sent here to prolong the argument. Debate is good for the Perps - it keeps us busy.

But I'm sorry, an American Airlines 757 did not make that maneuver. Period.

And everyone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop equating "missile" with "not Flight 77"!

THAT shit pisses me off. As if there's no middle ground here. Christ.

Ex-Bush Aide with ties to Jack Abramoff convicted > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13436161/

"Then why are you fearful of a non-existant video?"

A video that exists publicly is what I should have said.

"If they whip out a 77 crash video, it's going to be obviously CGI."

That's a particular game I don't like to take part in. There's enough real evidence out there without having to make up evidence just because it doesn't coincide with a theory.

I just think there's a reason why the media does there best to debunk theories having to do with what hit the Pentagon, and I think that reason is because the 9/11 Truth Movement is being set up.

This entire cause is too important to take unecessary chances with. That's my opinion. One which I'm entitled to. That doesn't make me a "shill", or a "zionist", or anything else other than someone who loves this country, and wants those bastards to hang for what they did.

before we deride any further into the infamous pentagon arguement, i hope all of you have emailed scarborough about his show last night.. and i hope ppl will tune in tonight to see what else comes of it, if anything.

here was my personal email, feel free to post your own:

I'd like to thank you for at the very least covering what should be a major point of discussion - that 42% of those polled by Zogby believe there is a 9/11 cover up - even if the NYC zogby poll results were much more relevant:
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

While your coverage was what is to be expected - short on facts and reasonable discussion, long on supposition and emotionally charged arguments - I do appreciate you at least covering the subject.

But of course, I do take issue with your coverage, notably the 2 following points:

1) The footage of WTC7 you showed was one of the worst quality clips there are, you can find better clips here:
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/index.html
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc7dem2/

2) Your guest Steve Emerson directly lied in his statements. Specifically stating that the FEMA report definitely said WTC7 collapsed due to the collapse of building 1. This is a direct lie, and completely untrue. This can easily be proven just by looking at the FEMA report on WTC7 here:
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf

it specifically states:
"The performance of WTC 7 is of significant interest because it appears the collapse was due primarily to fire, rather than any impact damage from the collapsing towers ."

I would hope that in the future you have guests on who actually know what they are talking about, or that you issue a retraction in the following show.

People want to discuss 9/11, rational everyday Americans, and your future reasonable coverage of the subject matter would be much appreciated.

ugh, new quote, along the same lines as the previous 9/11 and katrina excuses:

"I don't think anybody anticipated the level of violence that we've encountered," Cheney said.

Source?

Fetzer on Hannity does have the makings of a catastrophe. I pray he will have the good sense to remain apolitical and lead with the best arguments and for the love of Mike that he doesn't end up going on with sideburns and wearing Uncle Jesse's wardrobe. Put on a smart coat and get a haircut. (Or better yet, send David Griffin in your place!)

But I'm fearful. His second broadcast of Non-Random Thoughts kicked off with claims that the vast majority of academics are left-leaning because academicians have intellectually superior minds and thus choose liberalism. Then he brought on Morgan Reynolds (Republican academic/economist) and quoted Steven Jones' (devout Mormon) research!

Stick with WTC7 and the safe stuff- and remember the pov of the viewing audience! Expect Hannity to TRY TO PUSH YOUR POLITICAL BUTTONS to get you to SAY SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE THE VIEWERS HATE YOU. If that happens, you just wasted the best media opportunity 911truth has had yet!

gold,

saw it on americablog.com

Fetzer - nothing wrong with the sideburns. Wardrobe? Depends. (I mean 'it depends what he chooses'.... not that he wear Depends.)

Nothing wrong with introducing Steven Ones, as long as he doesn't say, "Here's some research done by Mormon Researcher Steven E. Jones who's killing time while he awaits the imminent return of Jesus."

We can of course expect the smarmy-master Hannity to be outrageously condescending, snotty and loud.

Great letter, dz. Here's mine:

On last night's episode of Scarborough Country, guest hosted by Michael Smerconish, your guest, Steve Emerson, said that "in any catasrophe you're going to have sometimes irreconcilable statements because people's memories are not exactly accurate. ... However, in the statements that this man just made, I can tell you that FEMA definitely, Federal Emergency Management Association, definitely concluded that World Trade Center building number seven collapsed because of the collapse of number one." In reality, FEMA (which stands for Federal Emergency Management Agency, not Federal Emergency Management Association) stated that "[t]he performance of WTC 7 is of significant interest because it appears the collapse was due primarily to fire, rather than any impact damage from the collapsing towers." FEMA actually suggests the exact opposite of what Mr. Emerson claims that they "definitely concluded". So who's memory is "not exactly accurate" here? Additionally, Mr. Smerconish said that "[a]lthough ... the 9/11 Commission Report has been released for some time now, some folks are still asking questions about what happened that day", suggesting that the report answers all questions about the collapse of building seven. It doesn't. In fact, World Trade Center building seven is never once directly referred to in the entire 571 page report. It's no wonder, then, that Zogby poll results released on May 22nd show that 45% of the American population says "that so many unanswered questions about 9/11 remain that Congress or an International Tribunal should reinvestigate the attacks". It's also no wonder, given that Mr. Smerconish and his guest failed to point out any of these facts, that 55% of the American population rates "the US media's performance regarding 9/11, including their coverage of victim families' unanswered questions, theories that challenged the official account, and how the attacks were investigated" negatively, in the same poll results. How is it that one of the most significant events in American history cannot even get ten minutes of fair coverage by the mainstream media?

I started to write about Smerconish's statement, regarding building seven, that "it was in such close proximity to the Twin Towers", and the other buildings in the area (the New York Telephone Building, the East River Bank, the Bankers Trust Building, etc.) that were all approximately the same distance from the Twin Towers as building seven and are still standing, but it easily could have turned book length at that point. Anyway, I tried to focus on building seven because Smerconish refused to do so on the air, and kept bringing it around to the Pentagon. If I had been in Berger's shoes last night I just would have said that the fact that we're even having this debate, whether a plane did or did not hit the Pentagon, should indicate that our government has not provided us with a sufficient investigation, and left it at that.

I also loved how the Smirk-Onnish spent 15 seconds cutting Berger off with "we're out of time", when simply allowing him to finish his thought would have taken less than 15 seconds.

Btw, JeremyA, good job. Concise and accurate.

ugh, new quote, along the same lines as the previous 9/11 and katrina excuses:
"I don't think anybody anticipated the level of violence that we've encountered," Cheney said.
dz

Cheney followed this with (Wash.Post):
'He added: We didn't anticipate...the devastation that 30 years of Saddam's rule had wrought, if you will, on the psychology of the Iraqi people."

WTF!!!!!!!!!!
Nooooo, it wasn't the illegal "shock and awe" invasion of their country which has killed hundereds of thousands of civilians, the appointment of a kown CIA asset to run the transitional government who once was involved in bombing movie theatres and school buses, the complete destruction of their civilian infrastructure and millions of children killed by the pre-war sanctions.....ect, ect.....

Thousands of years and still no end to the corruption.

Anyone fed up with current society look at http://www.technocracy.org/, and http://www.technocracy.ca/

This isn't science fiction, it's possible.

^ Technocracy: It's been around since the 30's.

Thanks for the heads up from this blog - I was able to watch it live last night. I thought it was disgusting that they gave the all-important Duke Rape Trial about 20+ minutes of airtime, but only gave this extremely important issue less than 10 minutes.

Focusing on the pentagon... I hate to say it but damn Alex Jones is right again. And I agree that michael berger should have done a better job.

"how ironic that the discussion of the turning point of our modern day society can't get 10 minutes of real discussion. but of course the emotionally driven coverage is no problem to come by."

Boy, did you hit the nail on the head with this statement.

If Mr. Emerson doesn't know the definition of FEMA, and he's a Terrorism analyst, there's something wrong.

Some of Mike Berger's comments were good. At least he got stuff out to the mainstream, but this show was a joke. It was a circus. What do these guys get paid? What is in it for them to lie to the American people and the world?

Does anyone else feel like puking?

What would happen if Berger took a step back next time and presented the high-level case instead of anomolies such as the Pentagon and collapse of WTC7?

The plan for invading Afganistan and Iraq were in place well before 9/11. PNAC is being carried out page-by-page and even called for a "catalyzing and catastrophic event" to garner financial and public support to carry out the neocon agenda.

This clearly shows motive, and once realized, makes much more sense than the official fairy tale of Islam hating our freedoms.

It's funny how just the other day I heard mention by someone of the MSM who said that OBL is very elusive and will not use a cell phone or other modern means to communicate, hence why he's so hard to track down. Makes you kind of wonder how this cave dweller could pull off 9/11, defeating America's trillion dollar defense system without the use of any modern communications, doesn't it?

Something else I heard today regarding the NK missle launch prep suggested that the US will know IMMEDIATELY once the missle is launched - and North Korea is some 3000 miles away! Kind of makes you wonder how they failed so miserably on 9/11 doesn't it?

I guess my point is that you don't even have to look at any of the evidence surrounding this whole issue to come to a rational conclusion on WHO was involved. All it takes is a little common sense to determine who indeed had the means and the motive, and it definately was not 19 muslims under the direction of OBL.

The MSN is complicit, every last goddamed one of them! You can tell this clown had an agenda. He was most likely told how to handle the interview by his higher ups.

"Okay, don't give him time to get anything credible in...constantly interrupt...bring up the honey pot Pentagon issue...but most of all, make him look like a fool. Don't screw up because I know there are certain individuals at GE who have contributed handsomely to this administration and would hate to see these 9/11 truth idiots getting their time in the spotlight"!

Where's Ruppert when we need him most? His research is solid and there's no way that clown would've stomped all over.

That said, hats off to Berger. He held his own, but seems a little soft.

MediaPuppet, Perhaps a dab of Berger, with a teaspoon of Alex Jones will do the trick.

At least berger fought back over the "lets move on the to pentagon" issue.

Don't underestimate the importance of AA77 & the Pentagon by any means!

Hani Hanjour flew back from Kentucky, performed acrobatics, hit the only reinforced section & where the gov't accountants happened to be, AA77 vaporized yet they claim to have ID'ed 99% of the passengers with DNA??? I don't think so!

THE PENTAGON IS A HUGE SMOKING GUN!

The pentagon is one of several smoking guns. Honest. Let's put that gun away for a while, and use the others.