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Submitted by Kevin Ryan on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 7:31pm.
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Received some new photos of the WTC destruction. More roasted cars are shown, and these have not been moved, but are pictured at the point of roasting – in the WTC parking complex.

These cars have been violently scorched to the point that nothing remains but metal.

There are clearly signs of some kind of violent fire. But the tires are gone (wheels remain), the headlights and taillights are gone, the glass is gone (not broken - gone), bumpers are gone, the fabric of the seats is gone, and even the steering wheel and dashboard is gone where this is visible.

What could have suddenly and cleanly evaporated all the non-steel parts of so many cars?

It’s clear these cars were not impacted by falling, burning debris. Also, we can safely rule out the overworked “bolus of jet fuel” diversion. And although it shouldn’t require mention, “star wars beams” would require a very unusual orbit to operate in these enclosed underground areas.

That leaves the very real possibility of aluminothermic energetic materials placed in the WTC basement levels. A superthermite powder mixture, exploding and scorching as it goes, should be the highest priority root cause in any investigation. These photos alone make that case.

The volunteer fireman who sent the photos told me that an iron worker took them. When the fireman asked the iron worker photographer, who is now dying of cancer, for more information, he said this.

“He said access to the garages was extremely restricted. I asked him if he saw any molten metal, he told me there were pools of molten metal under the pile and in the basements. He even said that there were spots that water had pooled up and was just bubbling like a pot of boiling water with molten metal underneath, like in the Nat/Geo movies of underwater volcanic lava flows.”

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Kevin

the debunkers will say something about "the raging fires" or the "heat generated by the collapse".

How should we respond?

Submitted by GeorgeWashington on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 9:12pm.
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ask them for their evidence

ask them for their evidence of how heat generates from a collapse, peer reviewed evidence

Submitted by greenback on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 9:19pm.
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First things first!!! Where

First things first!!!

Where did these photos come from!?!?!??!

They need to be verified before everyone jumps on the band wagon here.

Submitted by joshuagsmith on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 10:49pm.
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Remember that most all the action supposedly took place 800-900

feet above those well-protected basements.

The fires from the planes had about 80 stories of collapsed building to get through to melt all those vehicles. I wouldn't have expected such extreme heat to have flowed throughout all those sheltered "underground caverns" as those garages were.

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Submitted by Colombo on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 12:40am.
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How come in the fourth picture

the ceiling above is still intact, but the cars have fallen into the floor below?

If the ceiling didn't fail, then the floor below did not fail because of falling debris. Something underneath this level would have to blow up, in order to cause this kind of damage.

One other possibility is that some of these cars could have been pre-rigged car bombs, parked near specific columns or mechanical systems, to help the buildings collapse. That's what they used in 1993, why not do it again?

Submitted by DoYouEverWonder on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 10:07pm.
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Seriously?!

Good point---look at that huge crater in the floor swallowing those cars! Kinda goes alomg with William Rodriguez's account of explosions in the sub-basement. I think he would like to see these!

Submitted by Tonya on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 10:23pm.
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Except that if something

Except that if something blew up, from the floor below, why would it then draw cars into the hole, as opposed to blow them away from the hole?

How deep does this rabbit hole go? :-)

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Submitted by metamars on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 7:30am.
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Didn't WTC Engineer Describe Missing Garage Walls?

Didn't this WTC engineer describe sub-level garage walls being completely destroyed?

(8:47 a.m.-9:50 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Engineer Finds Major Damage in Basement and Lobby of North Tower

Mike Pecoraro, an engineer who is part of the crew that services the WTC complex, is at work in the mechanical shop in the second subbasement of the north WTC tower when it is hit. When the room he is in starts filling with white smoke and he can smell kerosene (jet fuel), he heads up stairs with a co-worker towards a small machine shop on the C level. Yet, he says, “There was nothing there but rubble. We’re talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press—gone!” He then heads for the parking garage, yet finds that “there were no walls, there was rubble on the floor, and you can’t see anything.” He ascends to the B level where he sees a 300-pound steel and concrete fire door, which is lying on the floor, wrinkled up “like a piece of aluminum foil.” Pecoraro recalls seeing similar things at the Center when it was bombed in 1993 and is therefore convinced that a bomb has gone off this time. When he makes it into the main lobby, he sees massive damage: “The whole lobby was soot and black, elevator doors were missing. The marble was missing off some of the walls. 20-foot section of marble, 20 by 10 foot sections of marble, gone from the walls.… Broken glass everywhere, the revolving doors were all broken and their glass was gone.” Pecoraro says he only later hears that “jet fuel actually came down the elevator shaft, blew off all the (elevator) doors and flames rolled through the lobby. That explained all the burnt people and why everything was sooted in the lobby.” He makes it out of the North Tower before it collapses. [Chief Engineer, 8/1/2002]

Submitted by Aidan Monaghan on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 9:57am.
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Unless, the floor below them caved in

and then they would fall into the hole. It takes a lot more energy to blow something out and away.

Submitted by DoYouEverWonder on Sat, 05/31/2008 - 9:11am.
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You're right. I feel

You're right. I feel silly.....

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Submitted by metamars on Sat, 05/31/2008 - 9:30am.
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No need to feel silly

These pictures are very confusing and it takes a while to figure out what end is up, (pun intended).

I've put together a collection of burning vehicles at the link below. Shots of the vehicles while they were still on fire are important, because they are live shots and they show the vehicles in place before they were disturbed or moved.

The pics in the OP are very important too, because they are rare and they show us what happened to some of the cars that were in the parking garages. There was parking for over 1000 (originally it was 2000) cars under the WTC Complex. That's a lot of fuel storage and a lot of opportunities to bring in a few bombs on the day of the attack. Plus with the freight elevators, which you could drive a good size truck directly onto, you could bring your 'special deliveries' to any floor in the Towers and WTC 7.

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=...

Submitted by DoYouEverWonder on Sat, 05/31/2008 - 10:56am.
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Is there any way this iron

Is there any way this iron worker that took the pictures can be contacted to see if he would be willing to do an interview. Get this man recorded saying what he saw. All these people that have these vivid memories will not be here for long. We have to document their story, no matter how short, when it is this compelling it needs recorded.

I'm so grateful you have these photographs but it will be so much more compelling with the audio recording of the eye witness himself and his name.

Is someone working on eye witness accounts? Printed words don't have the same affect, especially without the name. Somehow we have to compell these people to speak what they know and lend their name to the cause.

It is so frustrating to see this evidence and know that just like everything else, it may go ignored.

Submitted by Tonya on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 10:18pm.
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absolutely

I agree with Tonya 100%. And if possible, I would suggest using video recording instead of audio.

Submitted by bearcat on Sat, 05/31/2008 - 3:55am.
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Time For Tests

Perhaps ignited thermite dispersed by high velocity air (similar to the high velocity air flows created by the towers' collapses) against test material might generate similar results.

Submitted by Aidan Monaghan on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 10:22pm.
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4th Picture

I can't even make out what the 4th photo shows.

Kevin have you seen pictures of the other toasted cars outside the building? The toasted cars is one of the many unsolved mysteries of this day's events. Those photos show similar effects, but also others show different effects.

I am glad you are looking into this aspect of the destruction.

Why were the basements "extremely restricted"? Remember that there was a lot of gold in vaults.

Submitted by nuggets on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 10:24pm.
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After 1993

Only the FBI and other government agencies were allowed to use the parking garages. They were no longer open to the general public.

Submitted by DoYouEverWonder on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 10:58pm.
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Note The Rusted Material In Some Images

Could it have once been molten iron?

Submitted by Aidan Monaghan on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 10:31pm.
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Raging fires need fuel

There is really nothing flammable in the garage other than the gas in the cars' fuel tanks, and there's no sign of the cars being burned near the back only. Even if you could somehow get all the gas tank to rupture and ignite, the resulting fire would not create enough heat to do this kind of damage. It would have also left more visible soot and smoke damage, as would the tires if they had been ignited by the fuel, and the scene here is almost soot free, consistent with a brief exposure to very high temperatures.

Submitted by Plaguepuppy on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 11:40pm.
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American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/07/77nwash.htm

The Atlantic Monthly | July/August 2002 77 North Washington Street

In his reporting for "American Ground," Langewiesche explored the shifting debris with construction workers and engineers, documenting the crises and questions as they arose. He crawled through "the pile" with survey parties and descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams.

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"Much of the underground was intuitively easy to understand. It consisted of parking garages, often in some stage of collapse, where more than a thousand cars now stood abandoned and covered with gray concrete dust. A disproportionate number of the cars were BMW’s Jaguars, Lexuses, and the like- indicating, if nothing else, the preponderance of a certain culture that thrived here. Although a few seemed strangely untouched, most were crushed sliced,blasted, or burned. Along the north side,where the basement structure remained strong and intact(and was ultimately preserved), the fire had been so intense in places that it had consumed the tires and interiors, and had left hulks sitting on axles above hardened pools of aluminum wheels. Three presidential limousines stood in there too, but were locked away, and remained unscathed."

American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center
William Langewiesche
Page 34

Submitted by honway on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 11:56pm.
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American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center

"He was Richard Garlock, age thirty-three, a boyish looking structural specialist who worked for the Trade Center’s original designer… He would go wandering off through the subterranean ruins, gazing intently through small Spectacles at the columns and beams, often with the hint of a quizzical smile, making notations on his cherished blueprints, with apparently only a vague awareness of the danger signs around him-the jolt of a collapse far below, the rattle of cascading debris, and the ominous groaning of weakened structures overhead, or, in the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole."

American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center
William Langewiesche
Pages 31-32

Submitted by honway on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 12:06am.
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In the last picture, I find

In the last picture, I find it strange that a row of cars would be affected, but a metal pipe and the connectors via which they are suspended show no signs of trauma. The metal pipes and connectors are only about 1-1.5 car heigts above the cars, yet the row of toasted cars is at least 6 cars wide. Whatever roasted the cars has a strangely geometric selection quality.

This is reminiscent of the situation in various pictures from the Judy Wood website, e.g. this one: http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image184.jpg , which shows about 6 regions of alternating 'toasted' and 'non-toasted' ON THE SAME VEHICLE. I find the notion that an external chemical agent could have caused such an ordered damage pattern to be unlikely.

Regarding the idea that a "star wars beam" would require a very unusual orbit, I'm not sure what to say, but I will mention that in the book "Decoding the Message of the Pulsars", by Paul Laviolette, Ph.D., he has a chapter called "Force Field-Beaming Technology", wherein he describes phase conjugate masers that do their damage where two separate beams INTERSECT. The intersection is supposed to create a plasmoid, which would be rather hot.

I can't imagine why even a star wars beam technology would be deliberately employed to selectively roast cars, and not the rest of a floor that contained the cars. If the cause of damage was star wars beam(s), it seems likely that toasted cars are some sort of byproduct of their geometry creating some sort of resonance chamber.

BTW, is the correct term ROASTED cars or TOASTED cars? :-)

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Submitted by metamars on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 7:59am.
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Oh God ..

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Submitted by Peter on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 4:31pm.
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Unfortunately, it seems very

Unfortunately, it seems very hard to get solid facts about exotic technology. (Well, if such knowledge was ubiquitous, I guess we'd have to call it something else. :-) ) E.g., Judy Wood's darling, John Hutchinson, tells us that he sent samples to the Max Planck Institute. Well, I wrote the Max Planck Institute* and asked them about this, and got no answer. This is consistent with 1) them having better things to do than answer me, because, for instance, they found nothing unusual in the samples 2) the whole story being baloney - i.e., nothing was sent to the Max Planck Institute at all and 3) them finding that there was a real effect, but national security types asking/forcing them to keep it hush-hush.

Then there's Podkletnov, who's looking for 80 million euros to create an anti-gravity ship, based on a gravity-beam technology that he is supposed to have discovered. As reported by LaViolette, Podkletnov has claimed to have been able to create a beam strong enough to "smash concrete" (4 inches of it, no less). Unfortunately, he can't show you a demonstration, the lab where he did this research being in a secured facility in Russia, and the Russian government isn't allowing visitors. This reminds me of the 'Invisible Boy' in 'Mystery Men', whose superpower was that he could become invisible, but only if nobody looked at him.....

OTOH, there's an interesting guy named Konstantin Meyl, who not only claims to be able to manipulate scalar waves, but sells a kit that you can experiment with. (You can see a demo at Google video.) However, there's no demo of anti-gravity or metal-bending, though he claims that he can measure a signal propagating at 1.5 x the speed of light. So, while there may be a Nobel prize in his future, should his claim be verifiable by, e.g., each and every person who obtains his kit, that still need not imply anything relevant to the WTC case.

BTW, if doesn't help Wood's case that she makes claims about the building being vaporized, including the metal. I do indeed consider the pulverization of the concrete and other building materials to be anomalous, but that doesn't mean that I think they were vaporized. She also goes hog wild with photos, in one case showing the bottom of a new-ish looking car with an exhaust system that is rusted. Since when does an exhaust system NOT rust faster than the rest of a car's undercarriage? If she really thinks the Hutchinson effect is real, since she has Hutchinson's ear, why doesn't she reproduce his effect under controlled conditions?

* Yipes, I just checked my email client to get the exact date, and can't find the email. Either I used a webmail client or I screwed up. I've just sent another one.

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Submitted by metamars on Sat, 05/31/2008 - 8:45am.
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What about the photo's of burned cars on FDR S Hwy?

They looked a lot like these, and they were way far away. This has always puzzeled me. Were they destroyed there, or moved there? Any thoughts?l

Submitted by nothwind on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 9:37am.
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Moved.

They were moved there. Sorry I don't have a source at the moment, but it was common practice to stack cars on top of each other to get them out of the way.

Submitted by jkeogh on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 12:51pm.
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Most of the cars

that exploded outside the complex were located around Vesey Street and West Broadway. Also, West Street directly to the west of the complex had a number of cars that caught fire from hot falling debris.

The furthest away that cars caught fire, that I have been able to find, were these cars in a parking lot to the NW of the complex, west of West Street and north of Vesey.

Only dust and light debris fell down in this area, so why did these cars catch fire is a good question. The darker areas looks like a liquid was poured on the ground and some of the cars after the collapse, but there is no evidence of anyone hosing these cars down with water, since some of them are still burning and no one is around at this point.

Submitted by DoYouEverWonder on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 1:10pm.
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It is hard to understand when G.Bush etc +false911 truthers lie

John A MITCHELL
Herblay FRANCE

bonsoir ,

personnaly I have doubts that thermite/termate nano-Thermate was the means used to reduce the wtc into dust and had studied the problèm since 2002.
........................... http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/911Pho01.html#BM2009

however there is false information like with the fire engine as in this link
.................... http://www.conspiracy-times.com/content/view/77/2/

it is not easy to understand what really happened when George Bush and Company ( FBI, CIA , ...) and false 911 truthers lie to us.

Yours

John

Submitted by mouv4x8 on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 2:34pm.
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..

What really bothers me is the lack of credible audio-recordings of the required explosions DURING the "collapse" ..
..And for the record : I have no doubt whatsoever that the Twin Towers where brought down on purpose, I just object to the
cherry-picking of "evidence" supporting a certain hypothesis while ignoring anything that points to other explanations .
Or maybe I've just spent to much time reading Nicola Tesla lately ..

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Submitted by Peter on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 4:45pm.
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00

Why don't you link me to some credible audio instead of voting me down ?
Is it because you, just like me, haven't found it yet ?
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Submitted by Peter on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 4:47pm.
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...

For one thing, thermite does not explode--so it would not make an "explosive" sound. However, many witnesses described loud booms as the building came down, and Jones actual theory involves thermite possibly in combination with other explosives (yet to be conclusively determined).

11 features of controlled demolition does not make belief in this theory a leap of faith (i.e. a "church" movement), but I observe that the space beam crowd has often been forced to rely on insults like these in place of making a legimate effort to present a case for this theory due to their lack of tangible evidence. I hope your divisive language is not calculated to start another irrelevant and pointless flame war.

Solving The Great Steel Caper: DEW-Demolition Contrary Evidence
Dr. Gregory S. Jenkins
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/Fe-DustStudies44.pdf

The Overwhelming Implausibility of Using Directed Energy Beams to Demolish the World Trade Center
Dr. Gregory S. Jenkins
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200702/Implausibility-Directed...

In short, these photos appear to be more evidence that the official story is inadequate. The most plausible theory by far, and one that explains the already existing thermite evidence, is a thermite reaction to cause what is observed in these photos. Clearly, this could be yet MORE evidence (to be verified) to show that thermite type incendiaries were used in the 9/11 attack. A chemical analysis will definitively show what caused this. This is an important find.

An important part of the 9/11 cover-up is to keep us stuck with conspiracy theories about what happened (i.e. guessing game speculation), when the FACTS and clear-cut evidence is shoved to the sidelines.
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Arabesque: 911 Truth

Submitted by Arabesque on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 5:17pm.