Announcing a discovery: Red/gray bi-layered chips in the WTC dust
At the Boston Tea Party conference last Saturday, I announced that I had found peculiar "red chips" in the WTC dust, and the possible significance of the findings. The chips are bi-layered, red on one side, gray on the other -- and present in all four samples that I and colleagues are exploring in depth at this time. Paul Payne (great work Paul!) was there and taped the talk, and asked if he could extract for now the part where I announced the discovery, and if I would provide the PPT slides (etc). I did so, and I congratulate Paul for doing this video clip so very quickly.
Yes, the discovery is original work and with other scientists now examining the microspheres and red chips in the WTC dust -- this new evidence, there is hope of a breakthrough, pending confirmations. I will refrain from further comment here; hope you all will watch the clip (and the full talks from the Boston conference as they become available). Again, many thanks to Paul Payne for this work.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4186920967571123147&hl=en
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Exciting!
Exciting!
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Why variations in the chip samples?
This is a very interesting discovery.
I wonder why there is variation in the signatures of the amounts from chip to chip and even from location to location. For the metal spheres in the dust such variations make sense, because they are the product of a chemical reaction. The variation in the chips, though, seems to indicate that the chips are products from incompletely reacted thermite, rather than samples of the original thermite itself. Does that make sense? Is it somehow possible to reconstruct the original amounts of Fe, Al, etc. from the chip samples?
Also, do these chips contain compressed Fe and Al particles (as in thermite), or do they consist of solid Fe and Al? I suspect the first possibility, because they ignites so well, but it is better to check this out to make a watertight case.
Keep up the good work!
When you get the full
When you get the full talk, you will see that I hypothesize that the red side of the chips represent ultrafine "super-thermite", which as explained in my first paper is explosive, producing a jet of molten iron. The microscopic image presented shows the ultrafine aluminum mixed with Fe2O3, but still with "clumps" on a microscopic scale. Thus, from spot to spot on a red chip, and from chip to chip, one expects to see variations in the ratios of Al and Fe.
Also, I should clarify that the reason I said the reason the gray side may be harder to analyze using EDS methods is that it might be a plastic, which one expects would have mostly light elements such as hydrogen and carbon. However, with further research on the gray side this week, I'm thinking the gray side is probably not a plastic.
I've sent chips to yet another lab, yesterday. Science is a human enterprise and often there is an element of competition and "proprietary information" involved. In this case however, I'm seeking for cooperation by sharing information and samples as we proceed, thus hoping to proceed more rapidly given the possibility of another false flag operation. We need answers quickly... on a scale of a few months, not years.
The announcement was calculated to encourage rapid research.
Has any organism (police, ...) confirmed your discoveries ?
John A MITCHELL
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bonjour ,
I did a 911 truth action this morning on my local market and some people asked me if there is any forensic proof of explosives used. I told them about your discoveries on the dust contents and showed them a printed screen capture of the iron spheres. Further questions were on wether your results have been confirmed by an official organism so I ask you has the police , FBI or other organisms confirmed your findings. If not is there any way we get this validation from them ?
Yours John
If I understand what you're saying...
The dust samples that you have from the WTC, all contain unexploded pieces of thermite? Would it be possible to have two separate sources verify that? Would it also be possible for the results to be posted online? Thanks Dr. Jones.
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detonator on a chip?
Physorg.com has an article entitled
"Explosives on a chip"
http://www.physorg.com/news117207324.html
This work is still in development, but perhaps similar, non-mass produced technology existed in 2001.
Pictured is a very thin copper plate, with the caption
"Copper structure shown here is a precursor material for explosive compounds used in military detonators. The copper structure can be formed on chips, then converted to an explosive compound. The compound is being used to improve US Navy detonator devices."
First paragraph:
" Developed by a team of scientists from the Georgia Tech Research Institute (GTRI) and the Indian Head Division of the Naval Surface Warfare Center, the highly-uniform copper structures will be incorporated into integrated circuits – then chemically converted to millimeter-diameter explosives. Because they can be integrated into standard microelectronics fabrication processes, the copper materials will enable micro-electromechanical (MEMS) fuzes for military munitions to be mass-produced like computer chips. "
One could see the possible usefulness of a smart detonator. If the firing of the detonator can be controlled by integrated circuit, perhaps the rest of circuit could be made to communicate with a GPS system. The detonator could then be armed if it's location was the desired one, and disarmed otherwise.
In a WTC demolition scenario, I suppose such an integrated circuit could be used to receive radio or other EM radiation signals to detonate, thus enabling remote control.
Excellent article
and added information, metamars, which I had not seen before. Very interesting notion that the red chips could be DETONATORS for larger thermite cutter-charges.
An exciting idea IMO.
Note the comment on earlier versions of this stuff:
"The copper precursor developed in GTRI is a significant improvement over the copper foam material that Indian Head had previously been evaluating. Produced with a sintered powder process, the foam was fragile and non-uniform, meaning Navy scientists couldn’t precisely predict reliability or how much explosive would be created in each micro-detonator.
The earlier "foam was fragile and non-uniform" -- a reasonable description of the red chips I found in the WTC dust.
Note that with aluminothermics, variations in the metal oxide used with the aluminum powder are common. the major oxidizers mentioned in the literature I've read are:
Iron oxide
Copper oxide (as in the article linked by metamars)
Molybdenum trioxide
Potassium permanganate
To which one might add zinc nitrate and barium nitrate.
Some of the microspheres I and colleagues have studied show COPPER as well as moly, K, zinc, barium, Mn -- and of course iron and aluminum. Lots to study, we need to move quickly IMO.. Not easy with zero external funding!
Some questions:
Some questions:
Have you considered that alumino-therics were solely used for detonation? Of course, this begs the question of what they would be used to detonate....
Can you comment on when your analyses will be published?
Also, I have put the question to Greening if he or somebody he trusts could also study the chips. If so, would you be willing to part with some of them? According to Greening, "I have compared Jones' X-ray spectra to spectra in McCrone's "Particle Atlas" and they are a perfect fit for FLY ASH from municipal incinerators burning paper, wood and plastic". I'm not a chemist or physical chemist, so I don't know what to make of this claim.
Finally, this may be the perfect time to request aid in analysis from the Union for Concerned Scientists.
Old statement by Greening?
I communicated with Frank -- and sent him about a dozen spectra from the WTC dust. He has certainly NOT matched all these spectra with fly ash.
The variations in mixtures
could have been intentional in order to muddy the waters of forensic analysis making it seem as though the elements detected would have prosaic sources like the materials composing the WTC structures.
Thank you for this update, Dr. Jones!
Now that I find far fetched
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Far fetched?
Why? The fact that the burn rates and explosive properties of the super and/or standard thermite/thermate (i.e, aluminothermic) reactions can be modified by mixtures including various oxides of iron, copper, manganese, or chromium (just to name a few examples) speaks strongly to my point.
Why more thermite/themate demolition tests are useful
What Truthburn was originally intended to do...spark an array of scientific themite/themate tests on WTC sized steel. We are planning to try a thermate cutter charge on a piece of 2" thick steel soon.
Great presentation Dr. Jones
Now THAT is good news too!
I've actually considered doing this myself on a very small scale as it appears easy to construct a linear thermite charge made of perhaps furnace cement or ceramic with a plastic encasing for stability. Have you conducted any tests yet to determine the extent of the "kick" that would be produced from the force of the thermite jet? What I really want to know is why the housing of the thermite charge, such as the small one constructed by Dr. Jones and illustrated in one of his former papers, does not suffer extensive structural damage (self-destruct) after use.
Tests such as these would go a long way to explain the absence of extensive explosive characteristics to the WTC7 collapse (such as an obvious shock wave and/or series of flashes).
9/11 truth is getting exciting, no?
yes Mekt
More simulations are useful. In my next test, I was planning on using a 2" by 2' x 2' piece of plate steel (weight 350 lbs)
I'm not sure of the quantity of thermate to use but will probably use somewhere around 15- 20 lbs. There is such a thing as flexible ceramics that can hold and shape the charge...heat resistant to about 3000F. That may be long enough to initiate the charge on the steel. I've noted that once the thermite or thermate attacks the steel it becomes a persistant process. Nano sized thermate would be great to experiment on too but may require licensure. I was licenced temporarily under Nevada law when I did my thermite burn at Burning man. I think we (or someone) needs to get some bucks together and do a test on a small reconstruction of several floors of & according to WTC 1 plans.
That device that Dr. Jones was refering to is a small pointed charge that can cut rebar.
I can write a php script to
I can write a php script to turn a lightbulb on/off that is connected to a networked breadboard through a web interface and have it report back the temperature of the bulb.
So it's not that hard to think you can rig a few devices connected to computers.
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Copper?
Did you know that the WTC complex had been 'rewired' with copper after 1993? I don't know if this wiring job played a role in the Towers collapse, but even if it didn't play a direct role, it gave the perps plenty of access to the insides of the buildings.
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Copper cabling helps multiply power capacity at WTC.
September 1 1993
Since the World Trade Center (WTC) opened its doors in New York City 22 years ago, growing clusters of electronic devices have begun to burden the center's electrical system, which contains some 3,000 miles of electrical conductors and about 100,000 lighting fixtures.
To address the situation, the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey, the WTC's owner, has decided to revamp
the system with an electrical upgrade that will take an estimated 10 years and $81 million to complete. The project will involve extensive use of copper cabling.
The WTC's electrical system was originally designed to provide tenants with four watts of power per square foot, but today's computers, facsimile machines, and advanced telephone systems require more power. "We're finding that tenants are now requiring a doubling of capacity to operate some of their highly sophisticated electronic equipment," says Robert DiChiara, WTC assistant director. Capacity will be increased to between eight and 10 watts per square foot.
The WTC's six buildings are powered by the New York City utility Consolidated Edison Co. Presently, Con Ed provides eight feeders running to 23 substations throughout the center. Boosting wattage to the complex will involve increasing the number of feeders to 10. The change will also increase reliability.
The first step in the upgrade program will be to replace aluminum cables with copper cables from the complex's power distribution center to the 41st floor. Four transformers will also be replaced with copper wound transformers.
Some 13,760 feet of copper cable will be installed in horizontal runs from the primary distribution center to the buildings, while 8,800 feet of high-voltage feeder cable will be installed in vertical risers. Copper was selected for the mammoth project because it can handle the higher capacity required, and can be installed easily into existing conduits.
Still, the project will not be a cakewalk, says Charles Semah, staff services engineer at the WTC. "But the extra effort to use heavier cables is outweighed by their ability to deliver much more power reliably."
WTC officials are also concerned about saving energy. "We've been in the energy-saving mode since 1973 and have taken advantage of every opportunity concerning base building systems. That's one of the reasons for selecting copper for this upgrade," says DiChiara. Information about copper building materials from the Copper Development Association, Inc. Circle 303 on the Reader Service Card, page 143.
The WTC's six buildings are powered by the New York City utility Consolidated Edison Co. Presently, Con Ed provides eight feeders running to 23 substations throughout the center. Boosting wattage to the complex will involve increasing the number of feeders to 10. The change will also increase reliability.
The first step in the upgrade program will be to replace aluminum cables with copper cables from the complex's power distribution center to the 41st floor. Four transformers will also be replaced with copper wound transformers.
Some 13,760 feet of copper cable will be installed in horizontal runs from the primary distribution center to the buildings, while 8,800 feet of high-voltage feeder cable will be installed in vertical risers. Copper was selected for the mammoth project because it can handle the higher capacity required, and can be installed easily into existing conduits.
http://www.allbusiness.com/business-planning-structures/starting-a-busin...
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ProfJones,
What amount of funding would accelerate this inquiry to "months"?
If Ron Paul can raise $6 million in 24 hours can we not do similarly?
...Yes we can !
Thank you so much for this work. - mechanical engineer PE
Nanotechnology-Superthermite-NIST-Military
The demolition of the 2 towers was as unique as their design...
http://www.technologyreview.com/Nanotech/14105/
Military Reloads with Nanotechnology
Researchers can greatly increase the power of weapons by adding materials known as superthermites that combine nanometals such as nanoaluminum with metal oxides such as iron oxide, according to Steven Son, a project leader in the Explosives Science and Technology group at Los Alamos.
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/nanotech.htm
Nanotechnology is BIG at NIST
Pioneered a widely used technique for writing nanometer-sized features on metal, semiconductor, and insulating surfaces. With the method, called scanned probe oxidation, researchers use scanning probe microscopes to build functional structures, devices, and ultraminiature systems on a variety of technologically important surfaces.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/h-effect/horseshoe.htm
What can bend a 5-inch thick I-beam without buckling or cracking it?
The man in the video explains how amazing it is and that it would take thousands of degrees to create this type of bend. Also, notice the peeling red/gray paint? on this piece of metal. If anyone can find a link to video other than webfairy please post.
I found this on youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzTEIqkZKIM
Great find!
And first-rate idea to get the info out early.
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Thanks, Alvin R. I worked
Thanks, Alvin R. I worked as fast as I could to get this clip out there...
The comparison slides of the
The comparison slides of the red chips are excellent!
Great to see this video up now and discussion. I will get a link up on STJ.
I have been wondering...
... about unexploded explosives as well, however, on a macroscopic scale, such as unexploded packages, braces-wires or whatever was used in holding them in place, and why we have no testimony yet from any of the rescue workers of spotting these... You would think that in an operation this big, there should have been quite a few unexploded packages, still attached to the columns in the pile of debris after the collapse...
From that blog (which has a
From that blog (which has a rating of 1 after 9 votes)
FYI about Laffoley...
"[Paul Laffoley] tells me he has a tiny pellet lodged in his brain that is transmitting information about life on Earth to extraterrestrial beings somewhere else in the universe. He shows me a copy of a CAT scan that reveals exactly where it is located.
Laffoley, 66, seems a bit extraterrestrial himself. He has a pale shaved head, wears aviator glasses, and dresses entirely in black. He discusses the object in his head in such a cheerfully matter-of-fact way that he may not realize how preposterous he sounds."
Continued...
http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/articles/2007/02/11/a_beautiful_mi...
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Remember all those scant news reports about
..."secondary devices"? Well, those news items seemed intentionally vague possibly because the naked report would've been too inflamatory for public television.
Threading comment replies can be tricky ;-)
I think you meant to respond to imgstacke.
Anyway, just popped in to say this linking to sources with alien/satanic material is a sign of sloppy research. You can do better if you want to. Anything real that's on a dodgy site can be found somewhere on a non-dodgy site.
You can do better. ;-)
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Off Topic 9/11 Solved
ITALIAN SAYS 9-11 SOLVED
It’s common knowledge, he reveals, CIA, Mossad behind terror attacks
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By the Staff of American Free Press
Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies. In what translates awkwardly into English, Cossiga told the newspaper Corriere della Sera:
“All the [intelligence services] of America and Europe…know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the Mossad, with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part … in Iraq [and] Afghanistan.”
Cossiga was elected president of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide election to become president of the country in 1985, and he remained until 1992.
Cossiga’s tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment, and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio. This was a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 1960s, 1970s and ’80s. Gladio’s specialty was to carry out what they termed “false flag” operations—terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.
In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force … the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.”
Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9-11 in 2001, and is quoted by 9-11 researcherWebster Tarpley saying “The mastermind of the attack must have been a sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and
flight security personnel.”
Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga’s assertion that the 9-11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge among global intelligence agencies is illuminating. It is one more eye-opening confirmation that has not been mentioned by America’s propaganda machine in print or on TV. Nevertheless, because of his experience and status in the world, Cossiga cannot be discounted as a crackpot.
(Issue #52, December 24, 2007)
This is just a rehash of a
This is just a rehash of a month-old article and this former Italian President is a bit too shady for me to consider fully credible.
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Rehash or not
I still think it is an interesting article. It goes to show we 9/11 truth people are not the only ones who think 9/11 was an inside job. The more people that side with us the better. I also don't understand the negative votes. How childish. Grow up.
As the original article
was in italien language, and some debunkers later claimed that it was mistranslated and meant ironically, we should first get a neutral translation, before made to much out of it.
Thanks for all the
Thanks for all the comments.
There are expenses involved in the lab work, so far paid out of pocket, but not that much. Having some funding for "our investigation" - as now there is quite a team -- would be great, certainly welcome. It would not take much really. But I hesitate to seek this, feeling more comfortable just paying-as-I-go. Other research team members might appreciate a little support -- and you're right, this could speed up the progress.
I have discussed with Richard Gage the possibility of "formalizing" the investigation that is underway, with a joining of scientists with engineers and architects for the purpose of research and investigation.
Metamars, you said: "According to Greening, "I have compared Jones' X-ray spectra to spectra in McCrone's "Particle Atlas" and they are a perfect fit for FLY ASH from municipal incinerators burning paper, wood and plastic". I'm not a chemist or physical chemist, so I don't know what to make of this claim."
Where is the claim made? And where does he show the fly-ash spectra? Without providing data for all to see (as I have done!), his claim is just doubt-generation without data to support it. Very typical of some, I might add.
First of all, do his spectra come from SPHERES?
Second, do the iron and aluminum contents come out high as I have shown for the iron-aluminum spheres in the WTC dust, generally with iron above the aluminum content and both above 10% (typically)? I'd like to see it. The iron content of these spheres (I have looked at hundreds of them now, in the WTC dust) is often above 20%, which seems high to me to have an origin from "paper, wood and plastic."
High iron content in spheres, from incinerating "paper, wood and plastic" -- enough to form iron-aluminum rich spheres attracted with a magnet -- would surprise me. But let him show his data, per his claims. Or better, let him do the actual test/experiment to generate such iron-aluminum-rich spheres without igniting thermite. I would like to see this.
Note that Greening's credibility is on the line (not just mine) when he makes such claims, especially if he does not provide data publicly to support his assertions. He has told me in the past that he used to do SEM/EDS work, but that he no longer has access to such equipment.
Finally, what experiments would he do to determine whether or not the red chips I found are in fact a form of thermite?
I have had the sad experience in the past collaborating with some who turn out to be "hell-bent" on discrediting discoveries, with less regard for experiments and the scientific method, evidently more for doubt-generation and personal aggrandizement.
But if Greening can show that he is sincerely interested in learning and presenting the facts and not "ego-tripping", then I'm sure that something can be worked out.
Let him start by answering the questions posed above.
I will alert Greening via a
I will alert Greening via a post at physorg. However, note that he has had major surgery within the last week or so, and is still in pain. Thus, he may not reply as quickly as otherwise.
Are you waiting until more analysis is done before publishing what you've already found out? There are many who are interested in this.
Regarding money for public-interest research, which both the government and the media were negligently not performing, this was one of my frustrations that led to my writing up my "Putting the NY Times Out of Business" proposal. I will do some research into the current state of so-called crowd funding, and request that other readers of this thread do likewise. Note that the successful internet fund-raising of the Ron Paul campaign give me hope that this is a vast resource which is just beginning to be tapped.
Thanks.
I did not know of his
I did not know of his surgery before, but wish him well and a speedy recovery.
Perhaps you know where he has posted the EDS spectra from fly-ash spheres (or even non-spherical particles)? I would like to see if these really show high iron (and simultaneously aluminum) contents, above 10%...
Publishing a paper typically takes several months, from submission through peer-review and responses, and then waiting for final publication. I'm co-author on two papers currently in this process, with mainstream technical journals.
Given the reality of slow-publishing in mainstream scientific and engineering journals (granted this is important to do, to reach the scientific community better, for example), I/we are exploring other avenues -- open for suggestions.
"Perhaps you know where he
"Perhaps you know where he has posted the EDS spectra from fly-ash spheres (or even non-spherical particles)? "
I don't know if he has actually posted this. If he has, it's probably somewhere in the rather long physorg 911 threads.
He has also posted some papers on websites such as 911myths.com, but I don't know of any regarding his fly ash claim there, either.
"Query" sent to Frank Greening
PS -- I sent the above set of questions and comments (starting with "Metamars, you said") to Frank Greening by direct email. Will let you know of any response...
Crowd Funding
I have quickly come across
http://crowdfunding.pbwiki.com/
and
http://crowdfunding.com/community/
Of links in the former reference, these seem the most promising:
http://www.pledgebank.com/
http://www.chipin.com/overview
http://www.laraghfinance.com/crowdfunding.html
Interestingly, the wikipedia article on crowdfunding has been DELETED. I find that fascinating. In light of the Ron Paul fundraising phenomenon, can we expect to see that article resurrected? After all, not only Presidential candidates need funding, but so does 911 research. It doesn't take an Einstein to see the potential of, say, 25 million 911 truth aware citizens chipping in $1 per month to fund 911 research. In 1 month, we COULD, collectively, out-fund NIST.
And if we did that, I'm quite sure that our simulations wouldn't stop at the presumed point of collapse initiation.
Please follow up on this, as
Please follow up on this, as the movement needs money.
Be sure that someone respected by most/all is able to oversee the fund and keep everything open, transparent to avoid the obivous.
Jones or Griffin would be ideal heads, but there are others. As far as I know, Griffin is willing to do something like that. I made inquiries some time ago, but simply do not have the time to follow through myself.
A well-run fund should be able to grow fast and large and if the money is well-spent, many of us will be happy to support it. Good luck.
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Following up on crowd funding.
I wouldn't want to bother Professor Jones on this topic, aside from asking him to post a budget and timeline, as poster 7man suggests.
While I wouldn't presume to speak for Professor Griffin's availability, I would be amenable to asking him. Does anybody have his contact info?
I asked him
As I was unable to give Griffin's email address to you in private, I went on to ask him myself. Let's wait and see.
Griffin's reply
David said thanks but no, as that would not be the best use of his time.
Funding
Please post an address to help fund this endeavor. It would help to have a budget, timeline and finite goal as an incentive to open our activist wallets. I understand that research is not always linear, but imagine this as another research grant, except that it will change the world in a most positive way. Thanks Prof. Jones- Merry Christmas!
Thank you for the
Thank you for the encouraging comments and ideas regarding funding of research.
I rec'd a reply back from F. Greening, who provided an EDS spectrum -- from burning COAL in a "high-temperature stoker." He wrote in his email,
"Well, I asked my son Tim to help and we managed to take this photo right out of the Particle Atlas, page 776. It's a bit out of focus, but I think you get the idea!
Frank"
(I will send the plot to someone for posting here.)
My reply (quite easy, incidentally):
1. The plot you provided is from burning COAL, not paper, plastics, wood etc. Or are you saying there was coal in the WTC?
2. Where is the oxygen in the spectrum? The oxygen content is significant, yet the spectrum appears to be skewed, cut off at low X-ray energies... please explain -- how much Oxygen was present? Oxygen must be present in a spectrum to provide a match with spectra I have shown -- not the case in the one example you provided!
All of the iron-aluminum spheres I have found in the WTC dust show abundant OXYGEN. Often O is the principal element in the spheres.
3. Can you get a Fe-O-K-Al-Si spectrum (with oxygen, O) and sphere production from burning office materials? A few examples please -- if you can do it.
4. This coal (your reference) was burned at high temperatures -- the caption refers to "high stoker temperature." This is a significant difference from the WTC fires -- or -- Are you claiming such high temps occurred in the WTC fires? Hot enough to produce iron-rich spheres? (Iron melts at 1538 C)
Steven J
Posted Per Prof. Jones
This is the scanned EDS spectrum image cited by Prof. Jones, provided by F. Greening.
(See Prof. Jones' above post)
"Coal Flyash Chain Grate"
Which book is this graph
Which book is this graph from - ? hopefully it can be referenced directly as photography must not be a skill/talent in the Greening household.
EDIT: The Particle Atlas - seems like this can be easily crosschecked by someone with access to academic material...
The Particle Atlas: An Encyclopedia of Techniques for Small Particle Identification (2nd edition)Authors: Walter C. McCrone, John Gustav Delly, Samuel James Palenik
Format: Book (Illustrated)
Publication Date: January 1979
Publisher: Unknown
ISBN-10: 0250400081
ISBN-13: 9780250400089
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Prof. Jones - I believe that Dr. Greening is implying that
the burned coal ash blew into the dust fields at the WTC and that is what you are looking at. Considering that some of your samples were taken very quickly after the towers fell, I think that this is highly unlikely. Or, perhaps, that this coal ash was already present in NYC and simply mixed with the WTC dust as it dispersed.
That said, if the chemical signatures are close enough to create a reasonable doubt, then I would suggest locating these coal burning plants and correlating them with the prevailing wind patterns on 9/11/01 and in the weeks before and after to more accurately assess the probability of this explanation.
It might also be worthwhile (once again, if the chemical signatures are close enough), to actually go out and capture some of this coal ash and compare it directly. I'm going to hazard a guess that modern anti-pollution technology installed on these coal burning plants would have all but eliminated this kind of particulate matter from escaping and being able to blow into NYC.
I'm also inclined to think that the chemical signatures will be distinct enough to not warrant further investigation along this line of hypothesis. As always, due diligence is required.
I hope that you and yours are well and enjoying the holiday season.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Was thinking the same thing
Was thinking the same thing - if it was coal ash, one would expect to find unburned coal particles as well. (anathracite)
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I wish you all a Merry
I wish you all a Merry Christmas season as well.
Interesting that much of the discussion above regards the presence of iron-aluminum spheres in the WTC dust. Particularly for the Delessio-Breidenbach sample collected less than 20 minutes after the collapse of the North Tower, contamination is highly unlikely. Contamination by clean-up operations (cutting of steel by torches, etc.) is strictly ruled out, since clean-up/steel cutting had not begun at that time, within an hour of the North Tower collapse.
Now comes the argument that perhaps effluent from a coal-burning plant somehow contaminated the sample with iron-aluminum-rich spheres. This is not a strong argument IMO, but I will refrain from detailed response until the claim is raised with more rationale than so far presented.
Beyond that, I'd like to point out that the presence of unreacted thermite in the WTC dust would be prima facie evidence that thermite was present during the WTC destruction. That's where this discussion started, and hence my invitation for scientists around the world to participate in this investigation of the composite red/gray chips which do indeed appear to be unreacted thermite.
I have a short video showing the response of a tiny chip being "ignited", [edit -- I have decided to hold that additional evidence for the present, except for several colleagues who are looking at it... ]
Again, the evidence I have presented needs further, independent quantitative corroboration... The needed research will be accelerated as other scientists join in the study. (The red/gray chips are quite abundant, and WTC dust samples are available.)
Again, thank you for comments... let's stay focused...
And wishing to all a very happy Christmas season. I agree with LeftWright that, as was said by him whose birth we celebrate, "the truth shall set us free."
picture of WTC south tower
http://www.thewebfairy.com/nerdcities/WTC/fig-3-6.jpg
Please look at this picture- it shows a large portion of the perimeter walls of the South Tower crashing on the WTC 3, the Marriot hotel. You can see a red painted band on the side- I don't want to make too much out of it, as it can be a false colour in the photo, as some other parts hints which are red too, or can have other reasons (e.g. the asbestos covering was done with paint some time ago), this is only for information purposes, for considering if somehow this can go along with the new finding by. Dr. Jones...
that's the color of rust
that's the color of rust (FeO)
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Truth Revolution: The Eleventh of Every Month
Thermite as High Explosive
http://ammtiac.alionscience.com/pdf/AMPQ6_1ART06.pdf
Working theory
regarding the latest Kevin Ryan blog entry, too...
http://www.911blogger.com/node/13272
what about the grey-red chips Dr. Jones discovered? It seems to me that this was some kind of a paint, brushed on the steel. So it may be possible that no one besides the deliverer of the paint knows what deadly upgrade was served, one other does only place the incendiary devices a few days before the attack. That's only my working theory on this up to now.
Ideas? We need to examine the chemical characteristics to confirm that or to rule out.