Shumonik

Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: A note about the power of Truth
Paul,

I appreciate the fact that you are just attempting to have a dialogue about the seriousness of these matters with all things being open to discourse. It seems clear though, that this forum, with its stated intention and mission statement is dedicated to a very specific form of power and action called Satyagraha. I think a dialogue about the seriousness of our situation is very good and I do think the 2nd ammendment is a crucial element of our rights. That being said, the whole point of the 9-11 Truth movement is just that, the creative application of the Truth and pushing it forward. Yes, sometimes it is time to take up arms. I for example would have been in Europe fighting fascists with creativity AND weapons well before the US was even committed to the war. But in this case, there has never been a people in history that have had so much potential freedom of speech, access to technology, connections around the world as We the People of America. So, it is high time that we get very couragesous and creative, be willing to put our body, mind and soul on the line and push the truth on through. What a Truth revolution, as opposed to an armed revolution, has to offeris the inclusion of everybody in the dialogue, and in this case, it is a profoundly transformative dialogue. We dont know the future and there may come a time when we need to speak seriously about violence, but it is not now. There are so many other possibilites we have at our immediate disposal which will be highly more effective, possibilities that people throughout history would have given their right arm for in their own fight against tyranny.

Anyways, there is no time right now to be arguing amongst ourselves about censorship, violence, pods and what not. We need strategies, application, serious idea building and discipline. Use that phone of yours and call up a PNAC member, talk to millions of people on the radio who dont even know the truth about 9-11. Be a lyrical warrior, like you did when Bush came to town. Do it more.. We all need to do more and we all can. that's what we need right now. Before we talk about violence, let's at least assemble a serious crowd in DC willing to camp out for weeks on end, do hunger fasts, speak to the world. Truthtown USA is coming. We need to be really putting ourselves out there, showing our courage and vision and showing the world what is possible after we face these hard and heavy truths.
May that we live up to and beyond our moment! I think many people in this movement are willing to die for freedom; the bigger question is are we really willing to live for freedom? Brother-I appreciate the seriousness of your commitment and your intense desire for making things right at this oh so crazy moment. I would say to look at the gift of these qualities you have and see what transformative potentials they have when applied in the spirit of what this forum and collection of people is about.

I'm going to post this publically so that the dialogue is shared. Thank you for starting it.
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Paul Kyler Jr

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:55 am Post subject:
That all sounds good but in reality the truth movement cannot continue as a fledgling social movement and be effective.
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Paul Kyler Jr

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:09 am Post subject:
Maybe you can express what you see as the ultimate goal?
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Paul Kyler Jr

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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:04 am Post subject:
No reply. Hmmmmm.

Tough question?

What in your mind is the ultimate goal of the 9/11 "movement"?

Really without answering this question within your lecture all you are doing are offering disembodied platitudes.
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Shumonik

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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: Here's some of my vision for what's possible
Sorry for the delayed response. Busy weekend.
My focus on 9-11 Truth is not just because I think that we all, especially the victims legacies, deserve truth and justice around that event, but also because it is the most potent consciousness transformer socially and politically and possibly spiritually that I have ever seen. I've seen Bush supporters figure things out over the course of a few months and it take them right down the rabbit hole. From compliant two-time Bush voters to revolutionary patriots in months is incredible to me. That is the power of the revelations of 9-11. When fully grappled with, especially by those that still cling to the government lies, I think that there will not be many stones unturned. I think if we allow them to throw us a couple guys for impeachment and that's it, we will have failed miserably. To me, this is not about the overthrow of the government, but about the rejuvenation of the power of We the People in a democratic republic based on the law, with no one, no matter how much money or power they have above it.

It is the transfomrative power of of 9-11 Truth that is most compelling to me. it is not just a burgeoning social movement because it is a collective reckoning not a political and/or social ideology or program. It is a fairly full presentation of our collective problems synthesized into understanding a single event. And to me, much of what we do is based upon a strong faith in the instinctss and wisdom of We the People, if we are all given the full array of the facts of our situation.

That being said, it is going to take some serious intention and action to help make this happen properly. I really think the idea of creative occupations as with the idea that Cosmos has put forth of Truth Towns outside of the houses of people involved in the crime and the cover-up is a powerful one. And then this fall, we're going to need to organize an occupation of DC based on truth and culture. I'm not talking about a one day march, although a million people march will help drive it, and the institutional peace movement is ready to do that. I'm talking about a group of very committed and organized people who are willing to occupy DC as a collective Truthtown, with hunger striking with serious demands, international press conferences and demonstrations and the involvement of many prominent people from all fronts. If we could really marshall the power of a media spotlight fueled by global attention, it's possible that things could change very quicky. remember, recent world history is filled with examples of peaceful revolutions created by a group of dedicatyed people that successfully drove out tyrants within a matter of days and weeks. It might be a bigger challenge here, but we also have more media possibilities. If a group of American people got serious and were willing to put their bodies on the line with creative communication methods and messages, there would quickly be thousands of cameras there to witness the entire peaceful confrontation. And in our case, we dont want to drive the tyrants out of the country,down to patagonia. We want to drive them right into a court room to be grilled under oath in front of a billion people to tattle and give up clues to the real criminals behind the scenes who pull the puppet strings. And once people coontemplate the heavy truth of 9-11, they will inherently have a deep suspicion of the workings of government and power and will not settle for easy answers. Treason trials on CSPAN to be followed by criminal proceedings on court tv and filling the pages of all the newspapers every single day for months. And this will begin the dialogue of media complicity in all this. it will be, in my mind, the most serious public conversation ever had in this country. But it will take a group of dedicated people willing to risk bodily harm and emotional ridicule et al while being disciplined under great mental pressure to get it done. Luckily, we have already been trained in this to some extent just to involve oursleves in this in the first place.

As for after we prevail, to give you an idea of the radical change I think to be possible, I am writing a piece of policy called "Permaculturalizing the Pentagon" which is about transforming one of the sources for incredible violence in the world into a massive healing force for ecosystems, watersheds, agricultural landscapes and human technological systems. In permaculture one of the mantras is "The problem is the solution" and there is no better example of this I would say than 9-11 Truth and Justice.
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Paul Kyler Jr

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:03 am Post subject:
Thank you for that very well envisioned and articulate outlook on the potential results of the 9/11 "movement". I don't see how most of those results are going to be possible without all options being on the table.
I appreciate your hope that all those nice things can happen without some righteous well-placed violence. My opinion is no way. Plus you make some vague assertion that history supports your view. When you say that you do show a bit of delusion inside your hope.
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Shumonik

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: Examples from history only prove what's possible
Here are 3 examples from fairly recent history:
1)In the Phillipines, where people were willing warriors against colonialist Spain and US for decades, they settled their overthrow of tyranny in about 4 overwhelmingly peaceful days in what was called the "Rosary Revolution." About a month ago, I met a Phillipina shaman woman down at the empty lot where the South Central Farm used to be in the physical and still is in the spiritual who helped organize that revolution. And she was one of the people at the US Social Forum who I am sure helped to pass the bridge 9-11 Truth resolution. So, she is out there and on our side, know this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDSA_Revolution

In the fall of '89 (which gives you resonant hope for the fall of 2007) two peaceful revolutions were thrown in tyrannical communist Eastern Europe:
2) The "Peaceful" revolution over the course of the month of October that brought down the Berlin Wall and the remains of totalitarian communism in Germany- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_revolution
3) The "Velvet" or "Gentle" revolution in former Czechoslavakia (now Czech Republic)-This one took about a month and a half. There were flowers in guns and the whole thing- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_Revolution

Czech (good one huh?) these examples out and read "From Dictatorship to Democracy: A Conceptual Framework for Liberation" (which is one of the top 3 books under 100 pages ever written) by Gene Sharp who is friends with David Slesinger at www.911courage.org and 9-11 Blogger for free online @ http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/FDTD.pdf
and then let's talk openly about strategy.

But remember also, we are our own people, our own example, and no historical evidence can really tell us what we need to do, but it can suggest both the hopefull possibilities and effecvtive tactics. One of the key things in the piece is about identifying the Achilles Heal of the Dictator/Empire/Oligarchy and we've already done that difficult analytical work (Truth). Time to bring on the Graha (force). Truth force is the most powerful tool in our arsenal.
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"We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories... that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty.”—George W. Bush