many of these scientific bodies and scientists don't appeal to the obvious solution to many of these debates: a scientific study that leaves nothing to chance (unlike the compromised studies by FEMA and NIST). One would expect a scientist worth his salt to say: "OK, clearly you (the skeptics) have some questions about our work. So why don't we do some specific studies aimed at answering your specific questions, instead of hiding behind the obviously inadequate studies that exist?"

Or, if US govt agencies won't do more studies, allow foreign scientists to fund their own studies of the WTC steel and whatever evidence remains.

That is, if there's nothing to hide, let's do the properly scientific thing here and have an open investigation that will resolve outstanding questions. If there were no explosives in the towers, then a proper study of that particular hypothesis should resolve the question.

People would not have opportunity to postulate alternative theories, if the scientific evidence were as rock solid as NIST and FEMA say it is.

"That is, if there's nothing to hide, let's do the properly scientific thing here and have an open investigation that will resolve outstanding questions."

That may not be possible anymore that the bulk of steel evidence was destroyed.

" If there were no explosives in the towers, then a proper study of that particular hypothesis should resolve the question."

I've been trying to communicate to Steven Jones that the steel that remains was cherry picked so that it would not show high temperature and blast damage. That is the only way they could conclude that none of the samples got above 600C.

This is a delicate area.

What remains of the original steel is something like 0.4% by my own rough calculation. This should be clarified further with more accuracy. It is a crucial point that needs to be driven home. They did not save large amounts of relevant evidence and their sampling is not representative.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.

. . . at the Journal & Courier message boards:

http://forums.jconline.com/viewtopic.php?t=6819

The topic was the new WTC collapse computer animations done by Purdue University.

I could use a little feedback from you guys to see how I did as toning up my debate skills is always a good thing.

Just so you know, the debate appears over because the last guy exchanging words with me decided to quit after comparing me to the Unabomber.

wow.

9/11 Bombshell: WTC7 Security Official Details Explosions Inside Building
Says bombs were going off in 7 before either tower collpased

The Alex Jones show today welcomed Loose Change creators Dylan Avery and Jason Burmas to discuss an exclusive interview they have conducted with an individual with high level security clearance who was inside the Office of Emergency Management in World Trade Center 7 and has descibed and detailed explosions inside the building prior to the collapse of any of the buildings at ground zero on 9/11.

The interview, to be featured in the forthcoming Final Cut of Loose Change is currently under wraps but the creators have allowed some details to leak purely to protect themselves and the individual involved who has asked to remain anonymous until the film is released.

While details remain scant for obvious reasons, we can reveal that the individual concerned was asked to report to building seven with a city official after the first attack on the North tower but before the second plane hit the South Tower and before their eventual collapse, in order to provide the official with access to different floors of the building.

The city official he was escorting was attempting to reach Rudy Guiliani, who he had determined was inside building 7 at that time. According to Avery and Burmas this official now works for Guiliani partners.

The individual was also asked to provide access to the Office Of Emergency Management on the 23rd floor of the building, this was the so called "bunker" that was built inside WTC7 on the orders of Rudy Guiliani.

When he got there he found the office evacuated and after making some calls was told to leave immediately.

It was at this point that he witnessed a bomb going off inside the building:

"We subsequently went to the stairwell and were going down the stairs, when we reached the sixth floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way, there was an explosion and the landing gave way. I was left there hanging, I had to climb back up and now had to walk back up to the eighth floor. After getting to the eighth floor everything was dark."

The individual in a second clip detailed hearing further explosions and then described what he saw when he got down to the lobby:

"It was totally destroyed, it looked like King Kong had been through it and stepped on it and it was so destroyed i didn't know where I was. It was so destroyed that had to take me out through a hole in the wall, a makeshift hole I believe the fire department made to get me out."

He was then told by firefighters to get twenty blocks away from the area because explosions were going off all over the World Trade Center complex.

The key to this information is that the individual testifies this all happened BEFORE either tower collapsed, thus building 7 was at that point completely undamaged from any falling debris or resulting fires. It also means that explosions were witnessed in WTC7 up to eight hours before its collapse at around 5.30pm.

listen to the clips here.

Avery and Burmas, who played the two short clips of the interview prior to further analysis and more clips to be played on their own GCN radio show later tonight at 7pm CST, further described how the individual had witnessed dead bodies in the lobby of 7 and was told by the police not to look at them.

This is vital information be cause it is in direct conflict with the official claim that no one was killed inside building 7. The 9/11 Commission report did not even mention building, yet here we have a key witness who told them he saw dead people inside the building after explosions had gutted the lower level.

What makes all this information even more explosive is the fact that this individual was interviewed by the 9/11 Commission as they conducted their so called investigation.

The fact that the building was not even mentioned in the report in light of this information thus becomes chilling and indicates that officials have lied in stating that they have not come into contact with evidence of explosive devices within the buildings.

Avery and Burmas successfully contacted the individual after discovering a TV interview he did on 9/11 while they were trawling through news footage from the day in research for the Final Cut.

Avery says that he can and will prove beyond any shadow of doubt that the individual was in building 7 on 9/11 and that what he is saying is accurate.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/190607interview.htm

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

DIGG it here:

http://digg.com/politics/Thom_Hartmann_s_9_11_Debate_Challenge_Defenders...

afterdowningstreet.org has a great review of
Michel Chossudovsky's "America's War on Terrorism"

Read it and comment. Encourage their COURAGE

Stephen Lendman Reviews Michel Chossudovsky's "America's War on Terrorism"

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/23790

"America's War on Terrorism" - An Overview
Part I - September 11
Part II - War and Globalization
Part III - The Disinformation Campaign
Part IV - The New World Order
"America's War on Terrorism" - An Overview
Chossudovsky's book is a greatly expanded version of his 2002 book titled, "War and Globalization: The Truth behind September 11." The current newly titled 2005 edition (post-9/11 and the 2003 Iraq invasion and occupation) includes 12 new chapters with those in the original edition updated. The author states the book's purpose is "to refute the official narrative and reveal - using detailed evidence and documentation (not speculation based on opinion alone)" - the true nature of America's "war on terrorism," that's as relevant now as when the book was first published.
Chossudovsky calls it a complete fabrication "based on the illusion that one man, Osama bin Laden (from a cave in Afghanistan and hospital bed in Pakistan) outwitted the $40 billion-a-year American intelligence apparatus." He calls it, instead, what, in fact, it is - a pretext for permanent "New World Order" wars of conquest serving the interests of Wall Street and the financial community, the US military-industrial complex, Big Oil, and all other corporate interests profiting hugely from a massive scheme harming the public interest, in the name of protecting it, and potentially all humanity unless it's stopped in time.
On the morning of 9/11, the Bush administration didn't miss a beat telling the world Al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center (WTC) and Pentagon meaning Osama bin Laden was the main culprit - case closed without even the benefit of a forensic and intelligence analysis piecing together all potential helpful information. There was no need to because, as Chossudovsky explained, "That same (9/11) evening at 9:30 pm, a 'War Cabinet' was formed integrated by a select number of top intelligence and military advisors. At 11:00PM, at the end of that historic (White House) meeting, the 'War on Terrorism' was officially launched," and the rest is history.....

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/23790

www.northtexansfor911truth.com