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Just heard it on the nationally syndicated Stephanie Miller show! Looks like this story may have some legs. I wonder if Lionel is talking about it? He's on now, but he's time delayed where I live.
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Obviously I would rather this hadn't happened, but this is exatly the type of shit that is going to wake more people up. Let's get this story moving!! Credentialed reporters arrested for asking questions!?!? SEND THIS STORY TO ALL YOUR LOCAL MEDIA OUTLETS!! SPAM THE FUCKERS!!
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

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You may have to register first. Literally takes 30 seconds. Comments link at bottom left side of page. Looks like most are anti-911 truth... Which is shocking considering this is not a 9/11 truth issue. This is a frickin civil rights issue! Arrested for asking a question!?!? What the hell!!!!!

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police state

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which in this country may never happen is everyone around this reporter should have told those few fascist cops that they are NOT going to arrest anyone and to get the phuck out or we will hang you by your ankles from a lamp post.
We the People MUST start standing up by the MILLIONS to fascism or we will face the same fate of Nazi Germany.

"Obviously I would rather this hadn't happened, but this is exatly the type of shit that is going to wake more people up"
. -Conciousness

That's what I meant by "turning point" in my previous post!

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Not a word about it in my local paper this morning! Why am I still subscribing to the CRAP!?!?!?
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Man. It really brings tears to my eyes how powerful that is, as Luke (it looks like) is being escorted out, and the woman asks him, "what was your question?"

This is the kind of thing that makes change happen. I pray that it will.

Journalists Are supporst to ASK Tough Questions! They all Do it!!

The Other MSM Media Outlets Are Banned from talking about 9/11 Truth.

Since Alterntive Media is not, They arrested him for being a 9/11 Truther. Pure Discrimination against 9/11 Truthers. He did what ALL journalists should have done.

They are Scared and wanted to shut him up. MSM Was safe from this mess, Because there banned from there company from talking about 9/11 Truth.

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http://prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/060607criminalindictments.htm

http://digg.com/politics/Criminal_Indictments_Sought_Against_Police

The BIll Moyers PBS flick 'buying the war" ?

Dan Rather admits on the movie to being a coward when it comes to asking tough questions. He says it's hard becuase he doens't know if anyone will support him if he asks the toughies!

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did you see that slimy bastard Russert try to place the blame on the Democrats? unbelievable. the Democrats are useless, they most certaintly cant be tasked to do the medias job for them like Russert seems to think they should. i take it back, Matthews isnt the worst, Russert is.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Oh yea I saw it.

History is a funny thing that sneaks up and bites you on the ass. Dan Rather, Tim Russert, Chris Mathews, and even.....the al' mighty Keith Olbermann will look back in retrospect and be ashamed that they had the power to inform the people. They feel the need to express their opinions when it doesn't matter.

If I can sit on my home computer, watch my tv, and plainly identify the disinfo campaign that led up to this Iraq situation....If I can do that...and time after time...I...I mean WE...are proven correct in our observations and prescriptions....how can Dan Rather sit there and speak as if his inaction was some sort of sub-conscious fluke response that he just couldn't control......

Sorry Dan, you consciously and willingly played your part and now you have blood on your hands.

On one hand I'm enraged these cowards are now trying to justify their actions (or inaction?) when it came to questioning the government about the propaganda surrounding the action in Iraq. On the other hand, look at who owns these networks. I'm not really surprised.

Too bad Moyers probably won't go further back in time to review the run up to the Afghanistan action.

Time and time again patriots are ridiculed for standing in the streets, for talking about 'crazy conspiracy theories' like "Iraq is for oil"....and time and time again patriots are vindicated and the pundits who got it wrong are re-hired.

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I think I read that somewhere... We need to be studying up on the membership lists for the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg... That way we can know what NOT to expect from certain people...

Yep.

"CFR media personalities include David Brinkley, Tom Brokaw, William Buckley,
Dan Rather, Diane Sawyer, Barbara Walters, and Katie Couric, and Andrea Mitchell wife of
CFR member Alan Greenspan."

http://www.freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling2.pdf
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

in subverting the U.S. Constitution & moving us towards a police state! Our only hope seems to be Ron Paul, who wants to restore true democracy.

There should be consequences when elected officials neglect to read inteigence reports that are used to send American's to battle or to enact police state legislation.

Consequences.

The media and the United States government is forcing radicalization by not addressing concerns of the American people.

Pretending we don't exist won't make us go away.

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In a pure democracy, the few are subject to the tyranny of the many. We need to restore the constitutional republic. We need a firm set of principles that we write into law, which severely limit the power of government. G. Edward Griffin's International Freedom-Force has the right idea. Check this out.

http://www.freedom-force.org/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6015291679758430958&q=an+idea+wh...

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

"In a pure democracy, the few are subject to the tyranny of the many."

In a constitutional republic, the many are subjected to the tyranny of the few. Radin lists "respect for the individual" as the "first" attribute of indigenous societies, which are also the purest democracies we have known. Republics, on the other hand, have never succeeded (even remotely) in protecting minorities or individual rights. The combination of minority rule (by the rich, invariably) and centralized power actually encourages the persecution of minorities, since the most effective means for a minority to rule is by "dividing and conquering" her subjects. The "rule of law" is nice on paper but has never been effective in protecting ordinary people against assaults by state and corporate power. As Vanderbilt once said, "What do I care about the law? Ain't I got the power"? No democracy, no control over elites. More democracy, more control over elites. It's really that simple.

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Democracy alone won't work, as we've seen. Good democracy is dependent on education of the masses, free exchange of information, and government transparency / subservience to the people.

Obviously we need true democracy, but it needs to be bolstered by better charters and based on basic principles. These principles must be pervasive throughout the culture. They must be taugt and re-taught until they are ubiquitous. There should be laws REQUIRING the teaching of these "Self-evident Truths" in both early and later stages in the educaitonal process...

If we make it out of this pickle alive, we're going to have to come up with some radically new ieas, that's for sure. Whatever new system we come up with must be tamper-proof. Non-subvertible.

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

I have lost alot of respect for Noam Chomsky due to his reluctance to acknowledge any inconsistencies with 9/11. However I can't help but think of Noam's words pre-9/11 when he was my #1 hero. As he would often put it, democracy in the governmental sphere only is useless without democratic control over your work as well. Without democratic control of every workplace (including MSM) democracy is only a thin shell of its full potential. Obviously he says it alot more eloquently but the basic point is true. To be able to control and have a say in your own work is much more important than the ability to vote for representative legislators. Without it, any democratic system, a republic, a commune, is not going to work properly.

How dare that guy say " Even if 911 was an inside job, it doesnt matter. Same with the JFK assasination" this man contradicted everything he has ever stood for. He is evil.

I don't know if his actions (and inactions) and words are due to failing mental faculties from old age, or what.

But he is basically worthless now.

It's very sad, really.

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Hey Consciousness, what do you think of Griffin's solution? Is it workable? -E

Especially with the "holographic" structure of power. What he's basically calling for is for US to create "counter-secret societies", only not secret. We get off our asses and seek influence and power within govenment, the media, education... A movement of people, who share common ideas about what constitutes freedom, each of them armed with the requisite knowledge to "self replicate", then seek to infiltrate the power centers...

If enough people are onboard with this, it could work a thousand times faster than the secret society pyramid structure.

I absolutely think he's right about the fact that freedom-loving people must begin to reach for power. I think his plan is pretty damn close to what we need too. Maybe a few kinks to iron out, but definitely something we should be looking at. The thing about this is it's a pretty loose framework for now, so each individual can adapt it to their area. I think most of the principles he lists on the web-site should be followed though. Like always reading the rules at EVERY meeting.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

which is, I think, a type of holographic reflection of the creative principal and governing dynamic of the universe. It's organic, bottom up. 9/11 truth just happens to be our springboard mechanism and point of leverage. I think young people need to place public service back on a pedestal, as a high honour and priviledge. We need a whole new generation of really bright, highly educated and decent young people to strive for the mantal of leadership, based on high tower principals and ideals of what it means to be Civilized.

Therefore, I think the colleges and universities should be our target domain. We need to start thinking generationally, and historically. That's the only way our number will be able to penetrate the inner circle and gain access to the levers of power.

A "generation" moves up the ladder very quickly, you don't have to wait for an entire generation to pass away literally. All you need to get is one level of them fully on board, who then serve as a type of substrate catalyst for change, or transformation (since change is merely different from or better than, which means at some level that no matter how things change, they remain the same).

A Garden, is the best analogy in this case. You plant it, it grows, and then there's the fruitful harvest. We need to start thinking about historical transformation in light of things like complexity and systems theory, even quantum-holographic reality.

We already have the base from which to leverage. I say we just keep on keeping on and keep doing what we're doing. The revelation about things like 9/11 and the Iraq War, they are provocative of a re-examination of history, constitutional government, Civility, the works. Since becoming a truther four and half years, I have become more educated than ever, though less financially secure..

Now that we have so many reinforcements coming to our aid, maybe it's time to step up, and start working for the long term objective with full conscious awareness of what we are doing, unlike the Hippie culture of the 60's for example, who just kind of morphed over time into becoming the ruling elite while discarding their ideals in the process, in favour of temporal wealth and power.

Principals before personalities, where the ideals themselves become the very fertilizer, and the sunshine and water which grows the garden to fruition.

Once generation, that's all we need, to effect the needed transformation. We need to BREED a whole new generation of informed, well educated and highly articulate leaders, to replace this gang of thugs and imbeciles. That's all. And we are RECRUITING THEM, even now..

In this way, 9/11 can serve humanity, as a strange gift, by which we can leverage into place a new type of "new world order" which comes from the bottom up, from all directions at once, and not by the expectation and control of the ruling class. One generation and we can SEED the ovum of a new creation! It's a world waiting to be born!
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Hi Robert (and Consciousness):
It's good what you say . . . it's also how the gov't says "al Qaeda" works - there is no centralization so you cannot kill it! Everyone knows everything so the change can happen everywhere all at once. Better get working on that magical 70% threshold of 9/11 truth!
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Consciousness wrote:

“Democracy alone won't work, as we've seen.”

Well, that depends on whether what we’re seeing is actually “democracy”. Take the North American Union. None of the legislative efforts, be they NAFTA, GATT or superhighways have been voted on by people in the United States, Canada or Mexico. Why? Because the overwhelming majority of people in all three countries are opposed to such measures. Did you vote for genetically modified foods? How bout acid rain?

On issues of great import, people cannot be allowed to decide the appropriate course of action; this must be left to the “minority of the opulent”, as James Madison wrote. Or to quote John Jay, “the people who own the country ought to govern it”. This is the consequence of minority rule: the great mass of people are marginalized from the decision making process. This, in turn, encourages apathy, stupidity and the “follow the leader” syndrome we are currently seeing in the 911 truth movement with respect Ron Paul. When people are treated like children they tend to act like children. Our society is not “democratic”. It merely has the formal trappings thereof. We elect people to make decisions for us – vital decisions which affect our lives profoundly – because we are denied the capacity to make those decisions ourselves.

One could argue that elites have dumbed us down to the point where real democracy WOULD be a disaster, but studies show that the very act of participating (meaningfully) in the political process vastly increases both knowledge of said political process as well as knowledge of the issues. Conversely, we see the fruits of “representative” democracy such as preached by the “founding fathers”: an ignorant populace more concerned with Paris Hilton than nuclear war.

You can’t be given freedom, you have to take it.

Now just to be clear, I do not believe democracy can function on the scale of a nation state. This is why the anti-federalists opposed Madison and Co. in their bid to establish a strong central government. They predicted what would happen, and they were right. Democracy requires decentralization, localized decision making and actual participation by the public. Nor am I a “democrat” in the literal definition of the word (“rule by the majority”). There are more sophisticated modes of decision making, such as consensus, which allow for both majority and minority rights to be respected. Or take the Iroquois federation. It was not "perfect" by any stretch of the imagination (they used torture just as we do), but it employed a highly sophisticated and democratic system of federation and delegation. These are the kinds of models we should be looking at.

“seek influence and power within government”

“freedom-loving people must begin to reach for power.”

There are several problems with this. One, in a capitalist society (or a state-communist society, for that matter), scum tends to rise to the top. I do not need to cite any empirical evidence for this, as there is very little but. Two, there are literally hundreds of barriers that have been erected by elites to prevent good people from achieving power, so the odds of it happening are slight to begin with. Three, and most important, power corrupts. Bakunin argued during the time of Marx that a communist society staffed by people with the noblest of intentions would soon become the worst dictatorship the world had even seen. It was one of the most astute predictions in the social sciences. Indeed, ideologues are much more dangerous than your average corrupt politician: they try to enforce their will on millions of people, and their efforts invariably result in massive bloodshed.

The simple fact of the matter is that this system is not functional and never has been. It puzzles me why people think that embracing the source of the problem – a pyramidal power structure (be it monarchy, communist state, fascist state or constitutional republic) – will actually solve the problem. We need to move beyond these outmoded forms of social organization.

We need DELEGATES, NOT POLITICIANS.

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