Greg says Dr. Jones.....Come at me Jones!
This is sad and disappointing. I have like Greg a while, but what a tool.

9/11 talk starts 10 minutes in

Jones stuff is at 20

http://www.thesonsofliberty.us

Sounds like an invitation for a debate. That would be interesting.

I love how these journalists get off on criticizing as "fruitcakes" people like Dr. Jones who has a PhD in physics or Dr. Griffin (a Professor Emeritus). What does Palast have a degree in? Typing? Does he even know the many years and rigorous mental discipline it takes to get a PhD? He probably spent his entire undergrad career barfing at keggers and dancing to Fleetwood Mac.

He blatantly contradicts himself several times in one sitting! He looks like a complete fool.

Here is a video from YouTube of just Palast's 9/11 comments - and a little humor at the end:

http://thefilter.ca/articles/911/greg-palast-on-911-controlled-demolitio...

And singing bad karaoke covers of Jimmy Buffet songs. LOL!!! He should go on that celebrity impersonators show after he is discredited as a journalist.

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

yeah, but then you believe in cartoons and space beams so im pretty sure of what your opinion means to most here. can i ask what religion you practice if any? im gonna go do a google search on it and get back to you on how fucking absurd it is. believe me, its not hard. so tell me Peggy, what religion do you practice? afraid to tell me? you have no problem bashing Jones' religion so tell me yours so i can do a bit of research on how plausible it is.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

scientific proof? he really claims that? im not going to pretend like that isnt a problem though, that is a good point if true and goes beyond just practicing religion. no offense though, but Wikipedia isnt good enough for me. if you can provide me with some verification that he thinks he has scietific proof of this i would appreciate you dropping the link here. and the cold fusion thing isnt a real problem to me, i think he did a fairly good job of explaining that one.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

I can't see anything on Wikipedia about Steven Jones claiming there's scientific proof about Jesus coming to America.

But if it's true, it's definitely not a good thing for our movement. We need to get lots of more scientists involved, so it's not so easy to discredit a few individuals. It's almost always possible to find some weirdness about any one, if you look hard enough. If there are 100's scientists agreeing on something it makes the debunkers' job that much harder.

In Google, type: "steven jones" america jesus
It seems he wrote a paper called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America".

Read the last genius on this Earth: http://www.notbored.org/debord.html

ok, claiming evidence and claiming scientific proof are 2 very very different things.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Evidence means what for the scientific mind of Steven Jones, according to you?
What you fail to concentrate on is what happens when the name of Steven Jones comes up in a public forum. People google his name, find what they find, and he gets ridiculed. Can't you face reality?
I find his 9/11 research interesting, I watched more than one of his videos, I listened to him on the Alex Jones show several times, I thought he could greatly help us convince a lot of people, but I saw that it did not happen unfortunately, mainly because he is far from having the credentials of an atheist Nobel prize. I hope we get some Nobel prize winners on board though! Maybe we should try to contact all of them!

Read the last genius on this Earth: http://www.notbored.org/debord.html

evidence does not always equal proof, thats all i said. so if Jones didnt have that research in his backround, you think that CNN etc. would have him on and treat him fairly? you think the mainstream scientific community would touch evidence of controlled demolition of the towers if Jones didnt have that in his backround? you think politicians would pay attention to the evidence if not for Jones backround? you honestly believe all that?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

You are suddenly talking about CNN and politicians.
I very clearly wrote specifically about public forums and what I witnessed happened almost every time.
If Jones uses the word evidence for Jesus in America, how do you expect people to take him seriously if he says he has evidence of a controlled demolition. Jones is far from being the most serious scientist on this planet, unfortunately. He is kind of loony.

Read the last genius on this Earth: http://www.notbored.org/debord.html

seriously? because i only come across this problem with well known debunkers who dont really want to look at the evidence anyway. look, i agree, it would be much better if this wasnt in his backround but i hardly think its as big a deal as you make it out to be. "kind of loony" huh? tell us how you really feel......

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

FYI, Shigawire, Palast is talking about Steven Jones, not Alex Jones. But he may as well have said that the entire 9/11 truth movement are "fruitcakes". What a piece of uninformed garbage that guy is.

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!" -Dr. Frank Greening

Thanks, I was torn between whether he meant Alex or Steven.
This is my first post here, can I edit the blog title?

Very curious though that he praises Alex Jones so much, while playing down Steven Jones.
AJ or someone like him needs to take action on this..

Shigawire

"To know a thing well, know its limits. Only when pushed beyond its tolerances will its true nature be seen."
-The Amtal Rule, DUNE

Jack Blood, just a hunch.

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Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I posted this on his message board earlier today:
http://www.jackbloodforum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13675

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!" -Dr. Frank Greening

on his message board yesterday. It should help clear up any questions you or others might have....
http://www.jackbloodforum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=74808#74808

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!" -Dr. Frank Greening

Yeah you can edit your blog. To do this, just click on "edit" at the top of it. Then just replace the name "Steven" for "Alex" in both the title and the body of the blog and then click "submit". Warning though, if you do this the blog won't post right away. We'll have to wait until one of the 911blogger staff members sees it and posts the updated version.

(FYI check to see if it's been corrected before you try to update it, though, because sometimes when the staff isn't too busy, or drunk or whatever (LoL) there's a chance they'll notice innocent goofs like yours and correct the mistake for ya)

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!" -Dr. Frank Greening

He praises alex because he goes on alex jones and sells hundreds of thousands of books from that. What is the reasoning behind the steven jones comments? If A... a guy is a mormon, then B, it is impossible for him to be a good scientist? I'm no champion of mormons, but this guy is a twit. The way he slipped that religious stuff in there like it was the last scientific project jones worked on just destroys any pretense to character this worm has. I hate to say it, but I'm going to have to put him in the jews against 911 truth category. Also, I read his book. The evidence he presents for disenfranchising black voters is weak at best. I wanted to believe it when I got the book, but was not convinced. He's a twit.

Exactly. I'm sure he has a book coming out soon. You can bet on seeing him doing the rounds once again to make his dollar off discontent.

I too was not impressed with his book The Best Democracy....

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

"I hate to say it, but I'm going to have to put him in the jews against 911 truth category."

No, probly not a good idea to open Pandora's box. "Jews" is a contentious word that draws too much negativity. Besides, he's not basing his view on 9/11 on his religious heritage. So why are YOU making it an issue? Red Herring within an otherwise great post.

Greg Palast has found some good things in the past. I was opened up to the idea of 9/11 Truth through a connection I made with someone about his first book. He is now obviously schilling for someone. Palast has discredited himself as a journalist. His religious reference is just silly and out of place. The religious remark is a fallacy and of course discredits Palast (just like all the other ignorant stuff he spews here). However, what does Judaism have to do with it. Why are we making lists of OCT believers in certain category's. That becomes racism pretty quickly.

http://www.thesonsofliberty.us

My point had nothing to do with judaism or religion of any sort. The simple fact is, that many left gatekeepers, and many people who have complete control over how much, and in what way this story is covered in the media happen to be jewish. Is it racist, or anti simitic to make note of their disproportionate representation in the media or as political activists? Jewish folks are certainly aware of it, and justly proud of it. There is certainly an underlying zionist bent to all neoconservative philosophy, whether from the jewish side, or the evangelical side. 911 truth does not bode well for neoconservatives, it doesn't bode well for the media, because they've covered it up so much, and some of the first people to be called into question at the outset of any real investigation would be people like Larry Silverstien, as well as the people called into question in the Israeli art student fiasco covered by fox news so long ago, and seemingly by accident. When you ask who benefits from 911, your answer should make what I said more clear. I'm certainly not implicating all jewish people by what I said, I'm just saying if I controlled the media in this country, and someone broke a great story with tons of great sources that had found that macedonia and its people were to some extent involved in 911, I might want to use my control of the media to make sure that the people who had found this out looked like insane kooks, no matter how valid what they were saying was. Why might I do this? Because peoples opinion of macedoinians, and therefor, of me.. might change considerably for the worse.

While being Jewish does not mean you are in any way responsible for what other Jewish people do, neither should it mean that you be unwilling to consider that some of the world's worst criminals and terrorists might well be Jewish (in name at least). When prominent Jewish intellectuals like Noam Chomsky who we KNOW should know betetr refuses to even consider the possibility of 9/11 not being the work of Arab Muslims, one can only wonder if it is his fear that Israel is in fact implicated that keeps him from admitting the fact. Same for Rabbi Michael Lerner who accepts that there are unanswered questions about 9/11 but says in the breath that he firmly believes Israel was not involved. That attitude simply feeds anti-Jewish feelings because the clear insinuation is that while Arab or other Muslims would be capable of such a horrible crime, American and/or Israeli Jews would be INcapable of it, which we know is not true--evil people come from all backgrounds.

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NEW---> the real truther repoRT!

Then, this morning there was a thread about "the Big Lie", which I had noted was the 911 events and cover-up, but which they want to think was the real reasons for the war on Iraq. I had to respond and applaud the progress - see below... Also used the 16% link from 911Blogger, without atttributing...sorry but you know those guys?!

I think Kos will come around, because there is really no intellectually honest alternative...

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Daily Kos post, 6-3

The Big Lie today, elct'n fraud consp'cy ystrdy!? (0 / 0)

...it seems DKos is moving in the right direction!!

I posted something about the Palast thread 6/2 that actually brought up the BIG LIE concept, but in reference to the BIG LIE that has caused America to be so easily duped by the Bushian War on Terror...the Big Lie that over 80% of Americans question (http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/134...).
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"The intent behind the cover-up is to deny you the "verifiable evidence" you think essential to the credibility of this site. A tightly woven cover-story, protected by the veneer of fear and faux patriotism, is by definition, a conspiracy theory designed to prevent the consideration of "verifiable evidence".

"Wake the FUCK up, DKos, and realize that the Bushites, led by Rove, Cheney, and the Neocons, and the Far Right, are up to their necks in every sort of conspiratorial effort to dismantle the America we know.

"Consider why they are having the success they are, too...a conspiracy to terrorize America...all based on the BIG LIE!!"

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American Exceptionalism is dead, and brave people all over the world are removing the cloak of denial to seek justice. The BIG LIE is bigger than the reasons for the War on IRAQ, and it will be used to justify perpetual war.

Let's hope it's not too late...

Styve

REVOLUTION is in the air!!

"Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest." - Benjamin Franklin