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Rosie O'Donnell's 9/11 Question
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By Mike Nizza
5/16/2007
The debate over the third building that collapsed at ground zero on Sept. 11, 2001, is back.
On the campaign trail, former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and a former senior aide are blaming each other for setting up the city’s emergency command center in a building at the World Trade Center that would be evacuated during its biggest emergency ever, collapsing hours later because of damage sustained in the terrorist attack.
Or was detonated from within? Rosie O’Donnell smells a cover-up, and has been using her seat on her morning talk show, “The View,” to raise questions. Before leaving as a full-time host, she plans to tackle the issue in a special segment.
If her reading list is any guide, the soon-to-be-ex-talk show host is inspired by the prevailing sources for 9/11 conspiracy. Alex Jones, who The Times’s Alan Feuer called the William Jennings Bryan of the movement, covered all of them in a 2006 speech. Mr. Feuer summarized it thusly:
Mr. Jones set forth the central tenets of 9/11 Truth: that the military command that monitors aircraft “stood down” on the day of the attacks; that President Bush addressed children in a Florida classroom instead of being whisked off to the White House; that the hijackers, despite what the authorities say, were trained at American military bases; and that the towers did not collapse because of burning fuel and weakened steel but because of a “controlled demolition” caused by pre-set bombs.
The National Institute of Standards and Technology has been charged with leading the federal investigation into the collapse of buildings at the World Trade Center, but it has yet to issue a final report on Building 7. One is expected before the summer.
Glenn P. Corbett, a fire expert who is part of the inquiry, explained the working theory in 2004 (A technical explanation is explained in question 14 on a page of the inquiry’s site):
The reason 7 World Trade Center collapsed straight down, he said, was most likely the large amounts of diesel fuel stored in the building’s lower levels. The fuel was meant to power emergency generators.
‘’The conspiracy theorists fail to recognize that there was structural damage in Building 7 caused by flying debris after the first two towers collapsed,'’ Mr. Corbett said. ‘’This led to fires that burned for several hours which eventually collapsed Building 7, too.'’
Ms. O’Donnell is not convinced by Mr. Corbett, or her co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck, who echoed the explanation. “I do believe that it’s the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel,” Ms. O’Donnell said during a show available on YouTube.
Popular Mechanics, which published a book called “Debunking 9/11 Myths,” backed up Ms. Hasslebeck on its Web site, but without the courtesy: “Ms. O’Donnell fundamentally misstates the case with her use of the word ‘melted.’”
As the fire raged for hours, it was probably fed by the emergency command center’s fuel tanks in the basement, the head of the investigation told the magazine. Under those conditions, it is possible to reach temperatures that “ultimately weakened — not melted — the steel structures,” it said, before tossing out some factoids:
Steel melts at about 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit—but it loses strength at temperatures as low as 400 F. When temperatures break 1000 degrees F, steel loses nearly 50 percent of its strength. It is unknown what temperatures were reached inside WTC7, but fires in the building raged for seven hours before the collapse.
Two other points brought up by Ms. O’Donnell were also addressed, but almost 1,000 comments showed how unconvinced some remain. For those people, her report will be a huge step forward. But if she’s not reporting anything new, the debate will continue to stand exactly where it is.
Until, of course, the federal investigation dismisses all the conspiracy theories with its final report. Just like that fella Warren and his commission did in the 1960’s…
ive seen at least one thread
ive seen at least one thread on it and saw it discussed in another thread. contact her. tell her what you think of Judy Wood.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
thanks Chris
where can I find her contact info?
i always just go through her
i always just go through her blog/website. the more people warn her about Wood the better. shes praised her multiple times now.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Fact is that
NOTHING is going to happen to these Treasonous war criminals unless we the people by the 10s of Millions forcibly make it happen.
Plain and simple.
Rosie O Donnel
They are letting the air out slowly on 911.Those who carried it out and planned it are also letting the Mainstream report it.They know the common people do not believe the 911 lie so to reduce the damage to them they are letting people know through shows like o Donnels that 911 was an inside job.People will accept this.They simply do not care enough.Its a very clever way of manipulating the masses and softening the hard landing that indeed 911 was an attack by the US government on its own citizens.Great tactic.I´m greatly impressed!
please god not judy wood
we need DAVID RAY GRIFFIN and stephen jones as his humble sidekick, like batman and robin.
I...
Just posted this comment. I wonder if it will be approved.
The family members that fought for the creation of the 9/11 Commission, that attended every hearing, that worked with the staff members, that supplied 100's of well researched questions for the 9/11 Commission to answer, declared that very Commission "derelict in its' duties", and questioned the "entire veracity" of the 9/11 Report.
Representatives of a good portion of family members called for an entirely new investigation this past anniversary at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.
A documentary was released entitled,"9/11: Press For Truth" that was endorsed by the family members that fought for the creation of the 9/11 Commission, and calls into question the entire 9/11 Report.
The families that fought for the creation of the 9/11 Commission have a petition with 15,000+ signatures on it calling for the declassification of pertinent documentation related to the 9/11 attacks.
Two family members that fought for the creation of the 9/11 Commission recently filed a petition against NIST.
My question is Mr. Nizza, when did the New York Times cover any of this?
It's Not The Crime That Kills You, But The Cover-Up
The one...
... by "Catherine". Don't ask. :-)
they havent accepted mine
they havent accepted mine but i kind of bashed The Times in my comment. :-)
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Haha, I cencored myself
I had an ugly line about NY Times but I took it out before I posted. So I got my whole post in, including mention of psy-op, jailtime, etc.
Aimed it at newcomers by looking at collapse time and the use of common sense.
Got a link to 911blogger in there also. This was exiting, not many times we get a chance to run down NYT, so go at it folks! Bring out every aspect of 911. There's a lot of debunkers commenting, so hit them hard. We will get newbies in with this.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/16/rosie-odonnells-911-question...
(as livefree101)
I got one in, too
There is no way to believe the US Gov’t or mainstream media on the events of 9/11. Several holes puncture the “official conspiracy theory” (OCT) of 19 box-cutter wielding arabs organized by Osama bin Laden from his cave retreat in Afghanistan.
No such persons could have penetrated the US security barriers if normal operating procedures had been followed. There was an unexpected NORAD stand-down — normally fighter jets are scrambed within 5 minutes of a plane veering off course. Norman Mineta’s testimony underscore’s Cheney’s culpability in that regard.
The Pentagon housed a non-responsive defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, who could not be bothered to react in time. Not credible.
Thousands of cameras ring the Pentagon — not one tape released. Not credible.
No proof was ever adduced that Osama bin Laden had anything to do with the attacks. We invaded Afghanistan instead of simply providing evidence that bin Laden was responsible in exchange for the Taliban’s agreement to hand over bin Laden if such evidence was proffered.
Several of the “terrorists” have been interviewed by the BBC!
Flight patterns of the supposedly hijacked planes appeared well beyond what amateur pilots trained on single-engine Cessnas could do.
The damage allegedly due to the planes hitting the Twin Towers does not match the final outcome — pulverized concrete, steel beams ejected 600 feet from the buildings, collapse at near-free-fall speed, molten steel in the basement for weeks, eyewitness identification of explosions, seismic data consistent with explosive devices, etc.
Building 7 — no reason for this building to fall WHATSOEVER.
Who is responsible? Israeli spies were implicated — Mossad agents gleefully dancing, found with cash, box-cutters, explosives, and other people’s passports on them. Guess what? We let them go, quietly, back to Israel.
The US officials claimed to have “no idea” about the impending attacks - yet within minutes of the attacks had a main suspect, a motive, and plans on the table to retaliate.
Retaliation was swift and diffuse - against enemies foreign and domestic: The Patriot Act — hundreds of pages long (obviously prepared months in advance)– passed within weeks. Politicians who demurred against the Patriot Act (Leahy & Daschl) were targeted with anthrax, a crime yet to be investigated thoroughly — although the preliminary tests indicate US-weapons grade anthrax was used. Since then, we’ve seen the Bill of Rights dismantled — good-bye habeas corpus, hello torture, hello wire-tapping. Freedom of the press, speech, and probably the internet will be next.
Who benefits? Military/defense contractors, energy companies, bankers, associates of the Bush/Cheney families, Israel (the Likud party). The politicians have all the power, all the control over a highly fearful populace; elections faked (2004 at least well documented).
This is a 100-year war, according to Cheney and colleagues. Our children are being sacrificed for a lie. Nearly a million Iraqis (and how many Afghanistanis?) dead, more with lives ruined. We have raped these countries. For a lie.
— Posted by 911 "nutwing"
more rapings not covered in the msm...
congo and palestine
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Excellent post!
It might be useful if people had one or two texts ready to sumbit whenever needed.
I think...
...that this person's post was best:
how does anybody cook
how does anybody cook anything, anywhere, if steel loses strength at just 400 degrees?
I am not a physics scholar by any means, but that just doesn't make sense to me...
Laughable.
Think about one of those rod-iron racks holding up a 40 Lb log burning in a fireplace for hours on end. DOESN"T MATTER ANYWAY!!! Even if every girder turned to jello, SYMMETRY AND FREE-FALL SPEED!!! Can't happen.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
I've got a wood stove with a thermometer
400 degrees F! Give me a break. I haven't been able to soften my wood stove no matter what I burn in there. Kerosene soaked logs do just fine. I can hit my stove with a hammer when I get that sucker blazing and it doesn't seem to "soften"? Maximum air feed, fire burning for 12 hours, and still the thing seems to avoid freefall collapse.
My theory is that human brains soften when exposed to incessant lies that have no experimental basis in fact.
All the steel in WTC was FIREPROOFED with asbestos! And the building had a sprinkler system. On top of that, we can see from the photos that the fire wasn't "raging" but only was visible EVER on two floors! None of the photographic evidence shows anything but trivial damage from debris.
This diesel fuel ruse is rubbish. How many tanks were there? How big were the tanks? Which floors were the tanks on. I know, but the official conspiracy theorists never say. They want to just leave those trivial details to the 'experts'--experts in lies and manipulation.
Cops told people to move away from the building because it was about to "blow up"--creepy--http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CXQY-bZn4
That's rich!
"My theory is that human brains soften when exposed to incessant lies that have no experimental basis in fact."
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"Cogito ergo sum"
Let them try to pull another Warren Commission.
Or another 9/11 Commission for that matter. I'm not stopping either way. We have to keep going beyond just punishing the 9/11 perps anyway.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
Information age
It would appear that the elders who orchestrated 9/11 are about as technically savvy as Ted Stevens. This will be their downfall. 9/11 is the lynchpin. After they are exposed most of world will be in one corner and they will be in the other. It looks like we're in for a confrontation.
They haven't approved my post, and
seem to have stopped approving new posts after # 142.
They...
Probably left for the day, or were so inundated with posts, they gave up.
It's Not The Crime That Kills You, But The Cover-Up
surprise.......
186.May 16th,
2007
7:04 pm We certainly know that the government has destroyed evidence, lied, and covered up the truth about September 11th. The Commission Report failed to even mention the demolition of Building #7. One hundred and fifteen omissions and distortions of evidence regarding September 11th within the official Report are well chronicled in David Ray Griffin’s book- The 9/11 Report- Omissions and Distortions. Even more damning is his recent book Debunking 9/11 Debunking which looks at the failure of Popular Mechanics and other government sanctioned mouthpieces to answer or respond to the major questions the 9/11 Truth Movement has made- including explaining why Building 7’s destruction exhibited all the characteristics of a controlled demolition. We do know that the Project for a New American Century, comprised of the neo-con cabal surrounding Bush stated that in their quest for global dominance that without a “Catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbour”, the transformation was likely to take a long time…
— Posted by Carol Brouillet
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Let WTC7
be the first pebble in the avalance of truth, and let Ghouliani be tied to it. Let it be a millstone around his neck. Amen.
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On the 11th day, of every month.
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Rosie O'Donnel
Rosie said that "Judy Wood rocks". When is this going to be addressed?